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Anna Lear

13:00

@GnomeSlice Thanks!

tchrist

I think I must misunderstand how the ML spam-detector works, or rather, how the ML portion of it works.

When a posting is flagged as spam and deleted, it gets fed into the training engine.

This is to improve that engine.

It is therefore counterproductive to spam-flag things like wrong answers. Doing that is wrong for other reasons, too, of course.

However, when it comes to gibberish, something is rotten in the state of Denmark.

One reason given for not using the spam flag on gibberish like “dfghioik';ojj[phkugiu werkfwkurgiureigorgiuuuuuuuuuuuuuuoiueghoreg” (that’s an actual real-life example) is that because spam-deleted postings are fed to the ML spam auto-detector for training, this would degrade the quality of its decisions. I don’t understand that; gibberish should be easy to detect, easy to train on, and desirable for auto-blocking.

Why would you not want to feed the ML Monster gibberish so that it can block gibberish?

3

If a developer or community manager could please provide some insight here, I would appreciate it.

Vogel612

I think I know the answer..

spam flags are only for promotional content

Unihedron

@Vogel612 Enlighten us!

Vogel612

or rather, blatant "buy this, it helpsz0r" sh*t.

everything else is NAA.

tchrist

That is not an appealing answer; it is rather circular in fact.

Vogel612

13:11

how so?

Unihedron

No, It's VLQ.

Doorknob

No, it's offensive / abusive

Unihedron

NAAs are for links that attempts to answer the question, but content outsourced.

Doorknob

6 abusive flags autonuke a post

Vogel612

@Unihedron that's VLQ...

tchrist

13:12

This does not address my question.

Unihedron

VLQ is for content with severe content problems that can't be salvaged by editing. Like gibberish.

tchrist

I am aware of the current and rather strict definitions of these things.

Anna Lear

I, uh... don't think we have an ML engine going through these at all.

Unihedron

@AnnaLear WHAT?!

Vogel612

the ML monster is supposed to block stuff that actually makes sense when read

tchrist

13:13

@AnnaLear Oh dear!

Unihedron

you kidding

?!??!!???!!!!????????????????

tchrist

I thought spam-flagged stuff (and only spam-flagged stuff) that gets deleted gets fed to an ML engine.

Unihedron

I... I don't know anymore... I'll quietly walk away...

tchrist

Tim posted something about this rather recently.

Nice nom-de-plume he’s got there, too. :)

Let me find it.

Anna Lear

I could be wrong, but as far as I know, spamram is mostly based on activity. There is another system that can block spam based on content, but even that's not automatically trained. I believe ML is the next step if we need it, but we're not google so we aren't writing a complex NLP type thing here. yet.

tchrist

13:16

8

A: Anti-spam: Blocking questions whose bodies end with a raw hyperlink

We've experimented with this sort of thing in the past, and it hasn't been very successful for any appreciable amount of time. This is for two reasons: We have to tell users why something can't be submitted, although we can be kind of vague as to what's wrong, to avoid users 'fixing' only the s...

Is the blue line in Tim’s graph posts that were auto-blocked?

Anna Lear

yes

Braiam

in Unix and Linux on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 1 hour ago, by Braiam

Each time someone mistype kernel as kernal, I kill a kitten.

now, tell me how bad I am

Unihedron

What's a kernal?

Anna Lear

@Braiam Each time someone misses an "s" at the end of a verb, a kitten cries.

tchrist

@AnnaLear So you are saying that that particular form of auto-blocking is not the result of an ML-trained program?

Anna Lear

13:18

@tchrist Yeah

tchrist

thinks

Unihedron

(shooks head in disbelief)

tchrist

ponders suggesting @Uni should be holpen his head

Vogel612

(considers linking Dr. Edward Richthofen's Grammar N-word)

Braiam

sees heads popping everywhere... scarry

tchrist

13:21

@Vogel612 That wouldn’t help. I happen to have a gold tag-badge for single-word-requests, you know. :)

Unihedron

Thanks for the information @AnnaLear. Sorry for the scream.

Vogel612

@tchrist I happens[sic.] to believe that grammar consists of more than single words.

Unihedron

Someone starred it though.

Anna Lear

np np

tchrist

Anna, could you safely reveal anything about the manual process by which spammage gets autoblocked without risking compromising that mechanism by divulging its behavior?

Because it seems to me that gibberish is something that could be autoblocked without too much trouble.

Anna Lear

13:25

I honestly don't know that much about it. It's fed by spam/offensive flags, user deletions, etc.

Bart

Fed to hamsters?

tchrist

So something is fed to something. This makes sense.

Andy

@Bart No. A monkey

tchrist

But I am surprised that this should include user deletions.

Bart

@Andy I should have known

Anna Lear

13:26

@tchrist You have to keep creating profiles to post, so most spammers cycle through unregistered profiles that can be destroyed and used as signal.

Gibberish is both easy and tricky at the same time - the actual number of gibberish posts compared to the overall amount of crap we block is relatively small (I think). At the same time, we have localization to worry about, sites where the majority of posts aren't in English, etc.

tchrist

@AnnaLear Yes, that would be a very nice bit on the feature vector.

Unihedron

@tchrist A process I've seen happening is that when you post short answers or with many incorrectly backtick'd words, the system asks me to fill in a captcha.

But captchas aren't really that useful.

tchrist

@Unihedron Oh, that’s me. :)

And “incorrectly backtick’d words” verges on the tautological. :)

Vogel612

well it's not a backtick....

because they look ``` ← like that.

aaand yet another markup "bug".. possibly.

tchrist

@AnnaLear I was thinking about both those things. However, gibberish on an English-language site should be pretty easy if you base it on cluster-frequencies and word-length.

@Vogel612 I don’t comprendos you.

Doorknob

13:30

@Vogel612 `; source `\``

tchrist

You know how machine-generated passwords are poorly remembered if they do not look like they could be plausible English-language words.

Vogel612

` ``

(killing baby unicorns)

tchrist

What do think is a problem with ˋbackticksˋ not formatting correctly?

Vogel612

@tchrist my own stupidity (proceeds to hit his head on the table)

tchrist

So the better random password generators use EN CLP data when creating them.

@Vogel612 I fear I was too subtle. I stealthed you.

What do think is a problem with ˋbackticksˋ not formatting correctly?

is

What do think is a problem with \x{2CB}backticks\x{2CB} not formatting correctly?

is

What do think is a problem with \N{MODIFIER LETTER GRAVE ACCENT}backticks\N{MODIFIER LETTER GRAVE ACCENT} not formatting correctly?

Doorknob

13:34

Or just `escape` them

tchrist

2CB or not 2CB, that is the question.

@AnnaLear I think probably the most important thing I’m taking away from all this is that because the proportion of deleted posts that are just gibberish is so low compared with those that are not gibberish, that it is unlikely to be a worthwhile investment in developer time, and possibly even in CPU time.

@Vogel612 Only if your state requires that you annually declare and pay up any syntax due.

Vogel612

@tchrist Thread main threw OutOfMemoryException, see cause:

tchrist

How dear the CPU-time would be I’m less clear on, but it’s still not much ! for the /dev/buck.

skullpatrol

Aha! So this is where all the cool people hangout 😎

tchrist

@Vogel612 Were I seeking awwwwws, I would post pickies of kitties.

Vogel612

13:41

lol @skullpatrol I saw you in about every chat-room I frequent relatively consistently..

skullpatrol

lol

Vogel612

@tchrist Queue does not accept any further input. or should it be a PipeClosedException??

tchrist

Did anybody else just hear a meow?

Vogel612

woof

Anna Lear

@tchrist At least not at this stage, yeah. Maybe later.

tchrist

13:45

Ok.

Andy

@skullpatrol Welcome to the Tavern

skullpatrol

Thank you :-)

tchrist

The Tavern is exempt from stalkers looking at your other-room lists and following you thither — well, or hither in this case.

It’s an alternate universe.

Unihedron

yesterday, by SmokeDetector

[ Wisdom ] Shog is always watching you

skullpatrol

On a higher dimension I hope :)

Vogel612

13:50

@tchrist even across subdomains??

tchrist

      From here, he can see at least three shoggoths. The intersections
      of their watered-milk bodies reflect the light in rainbow bands.
      The colorful fruiting stalks nod some fifteen feet in the air, swaying
      in a freshening breeze.

      From the greatest distance possible, Harding reaches out and prods
      the largest shoggoth with the flat top of his hammer. It does nothing
      in response. Not even a quiver.

      He calls out to the fisherman. “Do they ever do anything when they’re

Excerpted from “Shoggoths in Bloom”, by Elizabeth Bear

I hate that it doesn’t do the whole thing.

Vogel612

Do I want to know what's a shoggoth?

Sam

@Unihedron Finally submitted the tag edit btw.

Unihedron

@Sam I saw, as you posted on the tavern :)

tchrist

@Vogel612 “What kind of a fool would come poke one to find out?”

Sam

13:52

Yeah, I didn't know if you were still active there.

Vogel612

@Sam Ding! ftw

Unihedron

Haha, I take dual monitors to my advantage. dw. :)

tchrist

@Unihedron I’m not even sure if a duel is lawful without a monitor.

Unihedron

Screw dueling, let's go parse xhtml with regex.

tchrist

Be careful: remember whom you’re addressing.

Unihedron

13:54

I know, you're the person who posted about parsing HTML with regex, now try xHTML. :D

Vogel612

and he calleth upon the unspeakable horror from outside any dimension

tchrist

@Unihedron All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.

Sam

@Unihedron D̘̊͒͊oͥͩ̿͊̋̃nͭ'̌̂t̓̄ ̻̇́̎͐͌ͮ̍e͛̏͆̌ͩͮv̖̫̏̆e͌͐̅̏n ͗t̥͔̹r̂y

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tchrist

@Sam I can do whatsoever I should put my mind to, reges gratia.

Braiam

the start wall has a different font?

tchrist

14:00

@Sam There is no try { }; there is only do { }.

@Braiam The starboard has the same face, but the points differ.

Undo

@try
{
    [self thingThatDoesntExist];
}
@catch
{
    NSLog("crap");
}

@tchrist ^ valid Obj-C :P

Sam

@tchrist There is no Exception. There is only EffingExcuse.

Unihedron

do or do not, there is no try.

tchrist

@Undo I lament to inform you that like St Dennis, I do not personally find C so holy objectionable as all that would entail.

Sam

@Unihedron Do not try to not try to do, only do to try to not try to do.

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Unihedron

14:06

@Sam (only )?do (?:not|to) (try to (?:not|do) ?)+

Sam

@Unihedron Naughty regex ninja, thy knows I not speaketh thy's secret art of Regex.

(removed)

Anna Lear

@Sam I see what you did there.

tchrist

@Sam flags for unantiagrammaticalisticality

skullpatrol

🙈🙉🙊

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tchrist

@Sam Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi.

Vogel612

14:17

@tchrist um. you definitely are a German. only we can combine words into arbitrarily long constructs.

Sam

@tchrist Googles what on earth that is...

tchrist

in English Language & Usage on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, Jul 25 at 13:30, by RegDwigнt

I reject your premise that "English grammar doesn't allow for concatenating". The English mathematics professor is exactly the same as the Swedish matematikprofessor, and control flow graph visualization software is exactly the same as the German Kontrollflußgraphvisualisierungssoftware. Some languages opt for writing compounds as single words, others use whitespaces. But they are still compounds. Spoken language is primary, and orthography is a random approximation. We could start putting whitespaces before all suffixes, but that would not affect their function in the least. — RegDwigнt ♦ Nov 8 '12 at 10:25

Vogel612

@skullpatrol flag for offensive, as it's needlessly obfuscating against users of google chrome. (can't read it. Font missing) </joke>

@tchrist "unantiagrammaticalisticality".matches("*\w*") -> false

tchrist

@Vogel612 Non sequitur.

Vogel612

not that this would be valid anywhere..

tchrist

14:22

@Vogel612 Illegal nonregex passed to regex compiler, core dumped.

Vogel612

@tchrist don't be such a killjoy ;)

tchrist

macbook# perl -le 'print "Match unantiagrammaticalisticality =~ $_\t=> ", "unantiagrammaticalisticality" =~ $_ ? "Yippee" : "Nope" for qr/ \w /x, qr/^ \w $/x, qr/^ \w+ $/x'
Match unantiagrammaticalisticality =~ (?^x: \w )	=> Yippee
Match unantiagrammaticalisticality =~ (?^x:^ \w $)	=> Nope
Match unantiagrammaticalisticality =~ (?^x:^ \w+ $)	=> Yippee

YANNETUT

looks for the Julie Andrews version

Jan Dvorak

Why is there no way to query the API for answers to a set of questions, sorted by what question they are for? :-(

Tim Stone

You can

Jan Dvorak

how?

Tim Stone

14:36

/questions/{ids} with a filter that includes question.answers

Jan Dvorak

that doesn't even give me the answer IDs

oh, wait, is the answers field a new one?

Tim Stone

@JanDvorak Try this

Jan Dvorak

niiice.

Is that new in 2.2? I haven't noticed this before

AstroCB

stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/5549269

Tim Stone

@JanDvorak I'm not positive

Jan Dvorak

14:41

The best part is that the page size derives from the question count rather than answer count.

The remaining question is - how much quota will it drain?

is there any chance requesting answer.link in the response will cost me quota points?

AstroCB

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Q: Tag cleanup request: [24hour]

From the 24hour tag wiki: 24hour is a term meaning "all day" or "continuous". It is based on the fact that there are 24 hours in a day. I don't think the tag serves a useful purpose. Questions tagged with it seem to relate to things like time formats, doing things every 24 hours, etc.

Do you think 24-hour-time would be a good tag?

People didn't like the actions I took before, so I'm thinking of retagging them, but I don't want to anger them more.

Andy

@JanDvorak Using this filter: !b0OfNKs.B5-1L9 it doesn't look like adding the link adds an extra hit to the quota

(all I did was add the link to the answer)

AstroCB

Or would it just be better to burninate military-time?

Jan Dvorak

@Andy nice. I'm actually wondering if I want the post IDs now that I can have links for free.

err... I do

Unihedron

@AstroCB synonymize that into [time]?

AstroCB

14:54

@Unihedron Someone else is going to have to say something on the post before I do anything else. Every time I edit it, it gets another downvote.

Jan Dvorak

should I reshape the new (for me), consistent with answers, question data format to the old one, or vice versa (more room for bugs, but cleaner end result)?

AstroCB

@Unihedron The tag is useless, so I'd prefer to burninate it, but I feel like that's taking the situation too much into my own hands without community consensus.

Jan Dvorak

ok... time to refactor my old code

this api... actually... makes the data in the websocket kinda useless

AstroCB

@Unihedron You know what? They're already mad, so I burninated it/replaced it with time if it wasn't already there.

Unihedron

o_O

AstroCB

15:04

For everyone outside of the US, military-time is just time.

stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/military-time

Sam

@AstroCB Offer waffles and free unicorn rides to calm them down.

AstroCB

@Sam That'll definitely work.

Unihedron

Hiya @Inf

Infinite Recursion

Hiya @Uni

Sam

@InfiniteRecursion hiya.

Infinite Recursion

15:08

@Astro: You didn't even wait or 24-hours before acting on the 24-hour tag burination/retag

Hiya @Sam

Nice zalgo on the ★board @Sam

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AstroCB

@InfiniteRecursion I took it to mean within 24-hours: it's good to be early.

Sam

@AstroCB To be honest, it just looks like one big mess. Did you retag any to continuous?

@InfiniteRecursion T͈̒̀͆h͓̭̋x͇̫ͭ̓

Infinite Recursion

Community concensus on a burination takes time, atleast wait for a week, you can't burinate/retag within 23 hours of the OP posting the request

AstroCB

@Sam That's exactly what it is.

Andy

@JanDvorak What are you trying to do?

AstroCB

15:11

@InfiniteRecursion I honestly was going to wait, but the problem was that both tags were such a mess that something had to be done to categorize them before someone took action. But apparently, people didn't like that.

Jan Dvorak

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A: SPAM deluge over at WebApps (and pretty much all over SE)

aug 19 - tex.se is under attack. Yes, this is a call to arms. Keep flagging the spam posts while you can, anywhere they go. As this seems much heavier than the initial attack, I will try to notify the tex mods as well. I have written a userscript for the network-wide real-time feed - just copy/p...

AstroCB

0

A: Tag cleanup request: [24hour]

For most people outside of the US, 24hour time is just time. So, I went through the 24hour tag and retagged all of its questions: some just needed time, some needed a combination of time and datetime-format, and some didn't need the tag at all. In fact, for many of the posts, the tag wasn't rele...

Infinite Recursion

Now why did you burinate military-time without asking/informing anyone!

Andy

@JanDvorak Why is the web socket useless though? No quota on that.

AstroCB

@InfiniteRecursion It only had 3 questions before I moved 24hour questions there.

Alright: they can't blame me for this: someone burninated 24hour and moved them all to continuous.

@nishantjr Someone else must have retagged them. It looks like they've been moved to continuous (which I'm not sure is the right choice). — AstroCB 1 min ago

Unihedron

15:15

I hope that someone is not you.

Jan Dvorak

@Andy it's great for finding questions, but it holds no data over what I can get from the API query. Sure, it's faster, but having the body is really handy.

AstroCB

@Unihedron If it were, I would be expecting mass-downvoting on the main site in a few minutes.

Andy

@JanDvorak You get some of the body. I don't remember exactly how much. Obviously, on long posts it's not enough though.

Infinite Recursion

Yes, that's bad when users downvote on mainsite due to meta disagreement. Cupcake wrote a good post on MSO about that

AstroCB

@InfiniteRecursion Wow, that post is a mess.

Jan Dvorak

15:19

@Andy Also, the HTML is stripped down

AstroCB

121

Q: Stop mob-downvoting users on the main site for their actions there and their opinions on Meta

I've seen a few users on Meta recently who appear to be getting lynch-mobbed on the site after either posting an unpopular opinion here, or being the subject of a post because of their actions. Example user 1 (let's call him Jim) Jim answered a Meta question like this: Stack Overflow is ful...

discussion down-votes voting meta

Doorknob

@JanDvorak @Andy If you're interested, I made a thing that can get the full body of every new question and answer on SE: github.com/KeyboardFire/Firefighter

Unihedron

If someone has time please flag this for off-topic stackoverflow.com/questions/25320499/…

Andy

@Doorknob How's it do with the quota limit?

Sam

@Unihedron Already flagginated.

Jan Dvorak

15:21

@Doorknob niiice. I guess that lets me tear out half of my script :-)

Doorknob

@Andy It ignores it. :P I figured 10000 / day would be enough, but it might not be. In that case, uhhhh... magic!

Jan Dvorak

oh. Python.

Unihedron

@Sam Danks.

Sam

@AstroCB Are you sure someone retagged all 24hour posts to continuous?

Doorknob

@JanDvorak Yeah, it's Python. But you can edit the regexes, change the ChatExchange stuff to prints, and it'll probably work

AstroCB

15:23

@Sam At least some of them. All of the 24hour questions that I left are gone and I saw one or two under continuous.

Jan Dvorak

@Doorknob I'm trying to read the source

Infinite Recursion

Yes @AstroCB, it's a mess. Too much retagging/burinating within 23 hours of OP 's request

Andy

@Doorknob You can with smokedetector and it works.

Unihedron

'allo @bjb

Sam

@AstroCB There hasn't been any activity for 2 weeks though.

Jan Dvorak

15:24

@Doorknob why don't you handle heartbeats correctly?

bjb568

@JanDvorak K… As a gist?

Doorknob

@JanDvorak It's not exactly the cleanest code

AstroCB

@Sam Then, where'd they go?

Doorknob

@JanDvorak I may or may not have forgotten about those. You can pull request if you want, or just add an issue to the Github repo and I'll get to it when I have time

Sam

@AstroCB I'll have a look around...

Infinite Recursion

15:25

User could have just removed the tag from the posts without retagging with an alternate tag @AstroCB

AstroCB

@InfiniteRecursion True.

bjb568

@Doorknob 'New user, link in post' Talk about false positives…

Doorknob

@bjb568 I know. That was kind of a halfhearted one. :P

I really have done basically no work on the regexes yet.

tchrist

*reges :)

rex, reges

Unihedron

regex's

tchrist

15:29

’Ware the Apostrophic Jihad!

AstroCB

Updated

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A: Tag cleanup request: [24hour]

For most people outside of the US, 24hour time is just time. So, I went through the 24hour tag and retagged most of its questions: some just needed time, some needed a combination of time and datetime-format, and some didn't need the tag at all. In fact, for many of the posts, the tag wasn't rel...

Infinite Recursion

@Sam look in this stackoverflow.com/search?q=hour&tab=active

AstroCB

For clarity:

@InfiniteRecursion I'm not so sure with three questions. What's more drastic is that someone else burninated 24hour without posting here, on the actual post requesting that it be retagged. — AstroCB 12 mins ago

Good point:

I'm not sure i understand the purpose of tags. I assumed tags were to help people intereted in certain topics to favorite them, or to search using tags. I'm not sure someone would search using tags like 'continuous' or '24hour'. What exactly is the purpose of tags? — nishantjr 4 hours ago

Sam

@AstroCB Found the user, (s)he simply removed the tag + cleaned up the posts.

bjb568

gist.github.com/bjb568/8fbd436512884e3b6606

AstroCB

15:33

@Sam It would have been nice for s/he to say that s/he did that on the post requesting that that be done.

Sam

@AstroCB Agreed.

Infinite Recursion

@AstroCB: was just telling you that it's drastic to burinate/retag within hours of an request being made. @Sam once got into a similar situation, and he said if someone had just informed him in a comment, he would have stopped.

AstroCB

@InfiniteRecursion Ah, I see. Thanks, then, but it's too late for me to stop since the duty has already been done. I'll be more careful next time.

Infinite Recursion

After @Sam's incident where he wrote a long story saying he isn't a troll, I generally inform vigilantes with comments.

@AstroCB: yes, you can't be stopped, but I informed you for future

Sam

> ...I'm not a rogue troll from the darkest depths of the Internet, bent on seeing the utter annihilation of SO...

Infinite Recursion

15:39

Yes @Sam, that one.

Sam

Yeah, I remember that.

Infinite Recursion

I don't want @Astro to get into that situation, it's not a nice place to be in....

Sam

I can trust you guys aren't going to DV to oblivion the user if I post a link to their profile, right?

AstroCB

I'll back off, then.

I certainly won't.

bjb568

I totally won't.

Infinite Recursion

15:42

Neither me

bjb568

Tho I may look at reviews and flag for manual rev ban…

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AstroCB

@bjb568 Right.

Sam

Alright...

bjb568

@bjb568 Right.

Dammit! Good reviews.

Sam

Yeah, shame (s)he didn't ask first though.

AstroCB

15:45

This tag certainly needs some cleanup: stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/stackoverflow

bjb568

cv stackoverflow.com/q/25329565/2371861

AstroCB

@Sam Maybe s/he was trying to avoid the wrath of the people on that question.

Sam

@AstroCB I think @Unihedron posted something on meta about the tag.

Probably.

AstroCB

-5

Q: Rename the [stackoverflow] tag to [stack-overflow-exception]

Can we rename stackoverflow to stack-overflow-exception? It would clarify the intent of the tag and prevent confusion. The tag summary also indicates that such confusion is common: A stack overflow occurs when too much memory is used on the call stack. NOTE: Do not use this tag to refer to t...

discussion retag-request

Not @Unihedron, though.

Infinite Recursion

Yes good reviews @Sam

AstroCB

15:48

@InfiniteRecursion Why are you glaring at @bjb568?

bjb568

I did nothing.

Infinite Recursion

I am photogenic, so many of my pics on tavern recently :D

Unihedron

It's @metacubed.

Sam

@Unihedron Thats it, I knew it was someone from the tavern. Just couldn't remember who.

Infinite Recursion

With bluefeet, zigi and now bjb ;P. 3 pics in 2 days...

@AstroCB: it's a cat! I am scared !!

Sam

15:53

@InfiniteRecursion I thought you were supposed to be more scared of foxes.

Infinite Recursion

Nice @Sam :) I will remember that next time

this pic is my fav though

yesterday, by Shadow Wizard

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iStimple

@InfiniteRecursion sisters from a different mother

AstroCB

@bjb568 Still cross-domain errors.

Infinite Recursion

Yes @iStimple :) And @Jan is our brother. The only bird with his head straight.

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iStimple

@cupcake what is the best query to use.. for you know

Sam

16:02

@InfiniteRecursion Already 3 re-stars, must have something to do with your name.

2

bjb568

@AstroCB Fix it!

AstroCB

@bjb568 I can't! See stackoverflow.com/questions/3076414/…

Infinite Recursion

wonders how @Bart will feel about her stars

iStimple

@InfiniteRecursion @bart is star-sided (as in only can see his stars)

bjb568

@AstroCB Should I feature-request an Access-Control-Allow-Origin of SO on C.MSE?

AstroCB

16:08

@bjb568 You could, but it'll never get anywhere.

bjb568

:(

I google, I find!

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A: Greasemonkey, Cross domain, jQuery, get() request failing with 405 "method not allowed"

get() and other jQuery AJAX functions do not work cross-domain, by design. (It was/would-be a huge security hole, if they did.) Use GM_xmlhttpRequest() instead, it does allow cross-domain AJAX.

Unihedron

Good job! Here have cookie.

bjb568

Nomnomnom.

AstroCB

@bjb568 Exactly.

@bjb568 Why are you wrapping the userscript in <script> tags and appending it to the page when you could just run the code as part of the userscript?

It works fine that way.

// ==UserScript==
// @name         LQ button
// @author       bjb568
// @version      1.0.0
// @namespace    bjb568
// @description  Adds a LQ button
// @include      stackoverflow.com/questions*
// ==/UserScript==
	var parent = document.getElementsByClassName('post-menu')[0];
	var lsep = document.createElement('span');
	lsep.classList.add('lsep');
	lsep.appendChild(document.createTextNode('|'));
	parent.appendChild(lsep);
	var a = document.createElement('a');
	a.appendChild(document.createTextNode('LQ'));

Yi Jiang

@AstroCB It didn't used to. For a pretty long time that was the way to do it

AstroCB

16:18

@YiJiang Interesting.

bjb568

@AstroCB It didn't work before… Whatever, works now.

Oh yeah, I can't get the fkey.

How to get fkey?

Jan Dvorak

Wow. This is not even wrong: superuser.com/a/797483/176340

nuke-pls

bjb568

Flagged.

iStimple

anyone know why this query only ever returns 1 row if any

Jan Dvorak

@iStimple my hypothesis is the lack of actual exact duplicates

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AstroCB

16:31

DataCloneError: DOM Exception 25: An object could not be cloned.

iStimple

@JanDvorak lol, next one I run I get 6 results

should I flag all 6 or just do 1 flag?

Jan Dvorak

@iStimple one flag with a query link?

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AstroCB

@bjb568 That works great for GET requests, but I can't get it to work with POST.

bjb568

@AstroCB Same…

AstroCB

@bjb568 I think it's a Safari issue: what browser are you using?

Jan Dvorak

16:37

why was that starred?

AstroCB

@bjb568 Actually, it doesn't work: you were right. You have to append the script so that it has access to the StackExchange object.

bjb568

@AstroCB Safari.

@AstroCB No. You can do unsafeWindow.fkey.value.

AstroCB

@bjb568 That might be the issue, then (so am I). nowherenearithaca.com/2013/07/…

@bjb568 Ah.

iStimple

@JanDvorak lol, why was that starred? image courtesy of @bjb568

bjb568

Got it to work for everything except posting to chat.

Oh wat? The problem is that it 500s.

Hello

Ugh, the problem is that chat has a different fkey then SO.

Hello

Unihedron

16:48

I don't know why you say hello! I say goodbye!

bjb568

[Error] Refused to display 'http://chat.meta.stackexchange.com/' in a frame because it set 'X-Frame-Options' to 'SAMEORIGIN'. (about:blank, line 0)

Ugh.

Jan Dvorak

@bjb568 why would you like the chat in a frame?

bjb568

@JanDvorak To steal the fkey.

Braiam

@bjb568 bad ~~boy~~ cat

Jan Dvorak

@bjb568 even if you manage to embed it, you won't be able to communicate with it because cross-origin

bjb568

16:57

@JanDvorak Well, that's what people said about AJAX.

Jan Dvorak

@bjb568 unless you're building a userscript

bjb568

@JanDvorak I am.

Jan Dvorak

you still can't access the frame scope

bjb568

I bet I can fetch it with AJAX…

Jan Dvorak

sure you can

hf

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