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Jason C

18:02

:((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((

SHOG :((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((

I know I'm late finding out but :'''''''''''''''''(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((

It's Over

@JasonC (╯T_T）╯︵ ┻━┻

Jason C

I think I might still hold the record for biggest reversal on the network vs shog, lol. I am so going to miss our battles. :(

Machavity

@JasonC He's now Shog86 :(

terdon

Shog, Robert, Jon...

Jason C

WTH. 86 HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH 9.

Oh I get it.

terdon

18:05

you do?

Jason C

86'd!

It's Over

Oh

Jason C

lol

Machavity

@terdon Context

Jason C

I'll read about why he left later. I'm sure it's depressing, heh.

terdon

18:06

ooooh! Thanks

I was trying to think of some sort of fancy math thing. Likely involving hex or binary.

djsmiley2k in darkness

I do hope he took a crap on someones desk

or buried some mackrel under a raised floor

It's Over

At first I thought it was a reference to 6–8, since we don't have enough of those

Where's rene, he doesn't seem to be around

terdon

@djsmiley2kindarkness If he were that sort of person, we wouldn't be sad to see him go.

djsmiley2k in darkness

that's true.

I just wish he hadsomekind of comeback:<

Machavity

@It'sOver He probably became too blurry

djsmiley2k in darkness

18:09

I guess it's SE's loss. but that doesn't make me feel better.

terdon

@djsmiley2kindarkness gofundme.com/f/thanking-josh-heyer-for-shaping-stack-overflow

8

Seems good to me.

By the way, that really should be pinned.

djsmiley2k in darkness

i have no spare cash atm, maybe once I get paid I might be able to.

terdon

@djsmiley2kindarkness Oh! I didn't mean to push you to donate! Good grief, that's a very personal thing!

djsmiley2k in darkness

haha np

terdon

I just meant that the fact that people are willing to go to such lengths to help him out is the best comeback he could have.

Thanks, whoever pinned that. Maybe this one would be better though:

2 days ago, by George Stocker

I'm raising a gofundme for Shog9. I hope you'll join me. https://gf.me/u/xcmzn4

ArtOfCode

18:12

;)

djsmiley2k in darkness

I don't feel pressured at all

Tinkeringbell

Hey I thought I had already pinned one?

terdon

@ArtOfCode Cheers.

Tinkeringbell

Oh well, apologies.

terdon

@djsmiley2kindarkness Good. That was the last thing I wanted to do!

djsmiley2k in darkness

18:13

:)

tbh I've only ever spoke to shog twice I think, but I can appeciate what he's done

and I hope maybe it will make some amends for me being stupid sometimes :D

It's Over

Heh, first real interaction I had with him was when he popped around to check on ELL chat since an ELU/ELL troll had played victim

And I actually was in the middle of this very . . . uh, unprofessional dialog with a man thrice my age

What an idiot I was, heh. Anyway, the troll ultimately landed themselves a 10-year suspension or something like that

And that was when those were much rarer

Tinkeringbell

@It'sOver Not sure about first, but he used to teach night class on IPS. I'd wake up, and the chatroom would be full with his messages. He once wrote me a sermon that kept me off the site for a week (if not more).

That's about it, I guess.

Magisch

shog gave me a kick in the teeth when I was acting like an ass

by banning me from chat.SO for two weeks

It's Over

HA HA

Magisch

tbf I had it 100% coming

It's Over

18:22

I think all I've received in six (?) years of chat was one kick and a 30-min suspension for a flagged message

Both were a misunderstanding

👼

terdon

@It'sOver And boy was it deserved...

Magisch

I was rather ... overzealous 3 and a half years ago

and maybe a year ago

It's Over

Maybe a week ago

Nah it was three years

You've been annoyingly right about most things for two years at least, that I know

Bart

It's magic

It's Over

@Bart Have we met.

You sound vaguely familiar.

Bart

18:27

You may confuse me with Cody

It's Over

Haha this is awkward

See, I've been telling people name changes suck even back when it was trendy.

I've finally given in to the dark side myself

πάντα ῥεῖ

Ugh!

> meta.stackexchange.com/questions/342439/…

Bart

@πάνταῥεῖ they're always allowed to self-answer the question once answers have become clear at some point in the future ...

It's Over

I mean, what's new about that post.

We understand the frustration because we're feeling it, but I think we're past the meta post posting stage

But OK, if people have time and keyboards to spare, I guess I'll stay out of the way.

49

Q: Dad jokes are fun

We all know the classic dad joke that goes something like this: Somebody says a sentence to describe their self (e.g. I'm tired or I'm confused). A dad-joke enthusiast comes along and replies Hi <adjective>, I'm Dad!, because introductions follow the same format (I'm Peter follows the same form...

πάντα ῥεῖ

@Bart Sure, but expecting some resilient answer from SEI seems hopless these days :P

connectyourcharger parted ways

18:37

I posted that because I want to see what SE thinks. Chances are they won't respond but it's always worth a shot.

Who knows, maybe Juan M himself will respond?

Unlikely, but I asked the question for a reason.

It's Over

I'm thinking something more neutral would have been more likely to get a response.

connectyourcharger parted ways

Oh, you're talking about the first sentence.

Tinkeringbell

@connectyourchargerpartedways This is not aimed at you... but in general... There's a lot of posts of the 'chances are they won't respond but it's worth are shot' around... and a lot of people use those to write unofficial answers that well... are showing their frustration. So please, all of you... think carefully about what you ask, how big you think your chances of an official answer are going to be, and if that really weighs up against more outrage on the site...

πάντα ῥεῖ

@connectyourchargerpartedways Recommended read: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/334459/…

Bart

@Tinkeringbell Oooh, I see you've dyed your feathers

It's Over

18:40

"What are SE plans for 2020?" Without any references to previous unpleasant experiences, or indications of "whatever you say, we're gonna throw our hands in protest". I mean, that's the most likely reaction I would be having, but no one takes their time to come up with what to say and post it to get -100.

Tinkeringbell

@Bart I saw a red thing and I wanted it painted black...

Bart

Is this your emo phase?

connectyourcharger parted ways

@Tinkeringbell you make me happy :D

It's Over

More likely surreal artistic phase

Tinkeringbell

@Bart Yes.

connectyourcharger parted ways

18:41

@Tinkeringbell nah, I'm not gonna write an answer - either SEI does or they don't

πάντα ῥεῖ

> youtube.com/watch?v=O4irXQhgMqg

Tinkeringbell

@connectyourchargerpartedways Not thinking about self-answers ;) But I think you can expect a few 'unofficial' ones... that aren't the most calm or self-restrained when it comes to giving an opinion on these matters.

Machavity

@Bart It's more like her Elmo phase. Tickle her stuffed parrot and it says "Answer the question!" and giggles

Bart

I'm pretty sure tickling the stuffed parrot gets me suspended

Tinkeringbell

GUUUUYS

No.

:P

giggles

S.L. Barth - Reinstate Monica

18:44

@Bart What does the COC say about tickling parrots?

Rob

The reference is: "I see a red door and I want it painted black".

Bart

I think I have achieved my goals in this chat for the day. Time to go be a pretend racing driver ...

Tinkeringbell

@Bart I hope you crash.

Bart

Your wish is my command

Tinkeringbell

(I assume you're talking video games. Otherwise... be safe)

Machavity

18:44

That's not very nice. He might break his glasses

Tinkeringbell

@Machavity I'm not sure if you know but... my first starred message in here was about not liking Bart ;)

πάντα ῥεῖ

Broken glasses give you the chance to get a new perspective ;)

Machavity

@Tinkeringbell Bart or Cody Gray? :P

Tinkeringbell

@Machavity Bart. Definitely ;)

It's Over

What's the difference

connectyourcharger parted ways

18:47

@πάνταῥεῖ if that perspective includes walking into walls, then sign me up!

Machavity

@It'sOver One has a diamond somewhere

It's Over

That's what they want you to think

connectyourcharger parted ways

barty gray

πάντα ῥεῖ

Removal of diamonds is just given out like candy in carnival these days ...

Rob

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S.L. Barth - Reinstate Monica

18:52

@πάνταῥεῖ More like, suspensions are handed out like candy. The diamonds are mostly given back.

connectyourcharger parted ways

it has been confirmed

πάντα ῥεῖ

@S.L.Barth-ReinstateMonica Well, let's include resignments as well.

S.L. Barth - Reinstate Monica

@πάνταῥεῖ Yup. While we're at it, resignments too.

It's all so saddening.

πάντα ῥεῖ

The turn seems that SEI seems to get aggressive and toxic for their long term and existing community recently. Nothing more to say ....

S.L. Barth - Reinstate Monica

Guess so. Well, it was good while it lasted.

@connectyourchargerpartedways LOL!

πάντα ῥεῖ

18:58

So far about the welcoming wagon ...
It's probably a whole train wreck!

And deadly

S.L. Barth - Reinstate Monica

Welcoming Wreck... or wrack-coming wagon... :-)

Still... it could have gone over a lot better, if they'd just dropped these accusations of bigotry.

rene

@S.L.Barth-ReinstateMonica let's not go there ...

S.L. Barth - Reinstate Monica

@rene Fair enough, I'll drop it.

rene

thanks

πάντα ῥεῖ

One wagon included to the train with the wrong gauge, will wreck the whole train. That's it. Just to keep the metaphor.

S.L. Barth - Reinstate Monica

19:05

Stack Exchange was more resilient than a train. The Welcome Wagon was only one of many problems.

πάντα ῥεῖ

It was a major one.

Andras Deak

How bad do you have to be at your job if you don't notice a track gauge incompatibility?

πάντα ῥεῖ

@AndrasDeak Well, that's a good question you could ask the CEO?

Andras Deak

I'm more skeptical about your metaphor :P

and I still think that the new CEO is a red herring (not literally, I hope)

John Dvorak

@AndrasDeak you're more likely to notice after running the tests :P

πάντα ῥεῖ

19:10

@AndrasDeak The problem occurred earlier, but I believe they should have addressed it with certain actions and communication (besides press releases, twitter or LinkedIn)

canon

I wonder if we should expect a post from Tim next.

Andras Deak

I don't think so, he's seemed like someone who's aligned with the company

πάντα ῥεῖ

@canon I am expecting Tim to be the next CM fired actually TBH :P

Andras Deak

Then again it's probably hard to tell personal opinion from company policy. I'm thinking of "SO no longer has to be a knowledge repository" and things like that

πάντα ῥεῖ

@AndrasDeak But yes, he's very aligned, that's probably one of the reasons I was suspended at SO.

Andras Deak

19:14

heh, that's definitely not on Tim

S.L. Barth - Reinstate Monica

We now know that the CM's are very limited in what they can say. So, it's hard to determine how aligned Tim is... or just how much he is following orders.

Andras Deak

yes, and I'll spare more of my speculation as to his motives and goals

πάντα ῥεῖ

@AndrasDeak Who knows how lomg they think they need them and pay their money :P

Andras Deak

in any case I wish all the CMs the best

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S.L. Barth - Reinstate Monica

Starred that, to support it.

connectyourcharger parted ways

19:31

(removed), indeed

user400654

🚽

canon

🗑️🔥

djsmiley2k in darkness

barrys bigger brother :D Also, always watching.

tombull89

heh

Machavity

Well that was unexpected

tombull89

19:39

what

this is fine?

Machavity

Yes. Wasn't expecting an autoreplacement. Dang kids and your new fangled event listeners. Back in my day we had to use Java AND Script to make new things

Tinkeringbell

Heh. Today, everyone can make things ;)

user400654

well, everyone can ask other people to on SO, anyway

Cody Gray

Well, I just read the whole transcript: emo parrots, bleak outlooks, and "everybody who wears glasses looks the same" :-)

S.L. Barth - Reinstate Monica

@Machavity Back in my day we used XKCD butterflies ;-)

Machavity

19:50

@S.L.Barth-ReinstateMonica Dang emacs

S.L. Barth - Reinstate Monica

Dang vim

Machavity

nano 4 evar

S.L. Barth - Reinstate Monica

Still beats edlin

John Dvorak

cat

canon

I liken vim to religion. If you weren't indoctrinated early, it's really tough to accept.

S.L. Barth - Reinstate Monica

19:54

dog... oh wait, that's not a program

user400654

it can be

John Dvorak

vim: you can launch it any time you like it but you can never leave

canon

lol, isn't the SO question for how to quit vim one of the all-time most viewed posts?

S.L. Barth - Reinstate Monica

So THAT's what Hotel California is about! It's really a song about vim!

canon

well, hell; so, yes.

Tinkeringbell

19:59

@JohnDvorak Actually, the only thing I know how to do properly is exit vim :P

Can't do much else with it... but have started it by accident and exited it enough times for that to have stuck.

Aaron Hall

happy hour is here again...

Tinkeringbell

Not yet, right?

S.L. Barth - Reinstate Monica

I've used vim occassionally. It did the job pretty well, so no complaints from me.

rene

@AaronHall yes, in 3 hours or so ...

Aaron Hall

it's happy-hour eve.

rene

20:04

lol

Room question: Is this happy hour happier then last weeks happy hour?

And how depressed will you be on Blue Monday.

Tinkeringbell

Wasn't blue Monday last Monday?

Felt like it.

rene

lol

Most mondays do

If you need someone to ruin your party: Please call my booking agent.

user400654

it isn't happy hour yet

rene

Are we nitpicking?

Cody Gray

@rene No, each week's happy hour has gotten less happy...

Tinkeringbell

20:10

But you know... it's past 9pm so I can go get a drink without getting frowned faces... see ya ;)

Aaron Hall

melancholy-hour?

Travis J

resentful hour?

Aaron Hall

@Tinkeringbell you mean at the office?

user400654

go home hour

Tinkeringbell

@AaronHall Nah, at home ;)

Dan is Fiddling by Firelight

20:12

It's 5 o'clock somewhere. 🍺

Tinkeringbell

Still living with parents. Apartment coming soon ;)

Aaron Hall

ok, don't drink alone! :)

Travis J

I'm at a coffee shop :P

meagar

Does drinking alone at your desk in the office count?

Aaron Hall

@meagar I think so, that's when people told me not to drink alone...

rene

20:13

@TravisJ what do you smoke?

Travis J

@rene - Nothing since college lol This is CA not Amsterdam ;)

Aaron Hall

I'm not sure what motivates the directive, but it seems like a nice thing to say that means you care about someone...

Cody Gray

@TravisJ Plenty of things to legally smoke in CA

rene

@TravisJ Ah, yeah. Peace man ;)

Travis J

@CodyGray - Not at a place of business.

In this city smoking cigarettes in public is banned as well.

Rob

20:18

This is sine.

Aaron Hall

Nice, I've been asking God for a sine.

Travis J

Me too. Maybe he can give us a cosine.

Aaron Hall

My credit sucks, so I hope he'd co-sine...

off I go on a tangent again...

user400654

🛑

S.L. Barth - Reinstate Monica

@AaronHall That's because you want both a sine and a cosine...

...aren't you casting Perl before sine? :-)

Rob

20:34

Modern Times:

¬¬˚˚

►

curious

20:52

jlericson.com/2020/01/17/leaving_stack.html

20

Machavity

21:03

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how you mic drop on the Internet. Well done, sir

πάντα ῥεῖ

@Machavity Quite elegant and not at SE. cool thing.

Rubiksmoose

> I don’t need a GoFundMe page.

Nicely done.

It's Over

> There’s very little chance I’d have left if I didn’t have something else lined up. This isn’t exactly a protest resignation. I don’t need a GoFundMe page.

Is that saying what I think it is saying, or am I overthinking it?

I think we can flesh out quite a few details by now, ones that probably were meant to be left unsaid.

But meh

πάντα ῥεῖ

Mentioning Conways Law is crucial. I am telling our companies PM's over and over, but they won't seem to understand it in depth :-P

It's Over

I have a theology exam tomorrow

Machavity

21:10

@It'sOver Yeah. The previous line has some critical context

> Leaving a company on principle is a rare luxury.

It's Over

We should talk in codes now.

Machavity

The pink parrot giggles at midnight

It's Over

The chicken pelican ballooned that marionette.

Jinx, birds

πάντα ῥεῖ

They all can fly, no?

Mark

Colorless green ideas sleep furiously.

It's Over

21:12

@Mark I concur

Buffalo x 8

user400654

21:23

🎢

Rubiksmoose

@It'sOver I think it just means: I need money to live so I wouldn't have left if I didn't have another source of income lined up. Please support Shog9 because he does need it.

It's Over

No I didn't mean that, God

We're just doing detective work on what might have probably potentially maybe happened behind the scenes.

Rubiksmoose

Gotcha lol.

user400654

i mean, from my perspective, all the flailing and such on meta over the past... 3-4 months have been particularly successful in the sense of the displeasure of a part of the community being made well known by the people making decisions. Whether or not... it's had a positive effect in terms of pleasing that part of the community or effecting change is unknown, but i don't see it as being wholesale ignored or sidelined either.

it has forced many responses that have put forth ideas/opinions/rules that would have otherwise been unknown/ignored or gone under the radar if not provoked, for example

πάντα ῥεῖ

21:59

@Rubiksmoose Shog9 is a very competent person with various skills, and likely to find a good job to pay for their whiskeba needs.

user400654

I wouldn't be comfortable accepting that kind of monetary support.

πάντα ῥεῖ

I personally would be offended, if someone starts to make a _gofundme_ campaign in any case.
I am able to keep myself on the top.

canon

I think it's more a matter of demonstrating appreciation

πάντα ῥεῖ

There are better ways.

canon

if you say so

Andras Deak

22:05

There's also the aspect that he'll have to both find work and then work for a while before getting payed again. But I agree the primary aspect is symbolic.

Rubiksmoose

@πάνταῥεῖ shrug doesn't mean it isn't hard living off of your bank account suddenly, without any warning. And part of the reason people are donating is so that Shog doesn't have to accept the first thing that comes his way to survive, but can be a bit more selective.

user400654

sure... but we don't even know that he's in that situation

not everyone lives payday to payday

Rubiksmoose

Well he hasn't complained so far.

Andras Deak

he either is or isn't, but it seems he was fired without any warning so anything can happen

you might manage your finances differently if you're under the impression that you have a stable job

Rubiksmoose

You don't have to live payday to payday to be in trouble suddenly losing a job. Lot of stuff in life can drain a bank account dangerously low. Buying a house, car, health issues, etc.

Disappointed in SE

22:07

Does the US have unemployment insurance?

Andras Deak

from what I usually hear "the US" doesn't have anything

Rubiksmoose

@DisappointedinSE Not that I'm aware of? I've been fortunate enough to not have to know this though.

Disappointed in SE

I wouldn’t feel comfortable in the US system. If I were fired it would take a month or two to take effect, and I’d get 60% of my wages for a while as unemployment insurance

George Stocker

To be clear about Shog: he didn’t know the GoFundMe was coming. He didn’t know i would do that. I spoke to him the night before it started and found out several things, but the relevant one was they were going to give him 8 weeks severance with onerous conditions for 10 years work

11

Rubiksmoose

@DisappointedinSE #'murica

Andras Deak

22:12

@DisappointedinSE also health insurance

George Stocker

The normal would be 1 month per year. The people who got lay-off in 2017 got 6 months

I was insulted by SE’s actions and decided he deserved better

Undo - Reinstate Monica

@GeorgeStocker Wow, that's insane.

Disappointed in SE

@GeorgeStocker that’s kind of a dick move

George Stocker

And hoped everyone felt he deserved better after what he did for us

Hence the GoFundMe

@DisappointedinSE I agree

Tinkeringbell

And throwing money at that angrily is really a good thing to do.

George Stocker

22:16

@Tinkeringbell I happily threw money at it

And if I were wealth I’d give more. I’m not

Tinkeringbell

@GeorgeStocker I guess I threw mine with mixed feelings then. Because it definitely felt like a tantrum just throwing things... But yeah, I also happily threw it ;)

Rubiksmoose

Our starboard is very Shogtastic.

Andras Deak

as it should be

George Stocker

We will be lucky to ever experience what we experienced for this 10 years

It was pretty special, and Shog was a huge part of that

Journeyman Geek

22:34

@GeorgeStocker I got better for a place I worked less than a year

George Stocker

@JourneymanGeek same

It's Over

Wow

Did so much change even after 2017?

Disappointed in SE

Paying severance doesn’t increase revenue 10x to prepare the IPO

Cody Gray

@It'sOver Why would you identify 2017 as a pivotal point?

It's Over

25 mins ago, by George Stocker

The normal would be 1 month per year. The people who got lay-off in 2017 got 6 months

Journeyman Geek

22:40

At this point, I feel like all of us was an accident

Andras Deak

all of us?

It's Over

@CodyGray ^ I'm comparing SE's behavior to SE's behavior

Cody Gray

@JourneymanGeek I'm not sure if it's more insulting to be an accident or to have been manipulated as part of a master plan. More importantly, I'm not sure it matters.

It's Over

27 mins ago, by Disappointed in SE

@GeorgeStocker that’s kind of a dick move

Cody Gray

@It'sOver That's a bit cryptic... Why pick 2017 as the comparison point?

It's Over

22:41

Even for SEI 2017

user400654

eh, i don't believe that this... was a plan that existed for very long

Journeyman Geek

@CodyGray not really no

user400654

i don't feel that i was manipulated into being a part of SO when i first started, or for several years till i cut back on contributing

Journeyman Geek

@user400654 well no. But I don't think the broader network was part of the original plan either

user400654

instead, what i feel is that the focus/goals simply changed at some point

It's Over

22:43

@CodyGray This I quote: "The people who got lay-off in 2017 got 6 months". And the three messages afterwards

Cody Gray

Oh, okay. You're comparing to the layoffs on 2017.

user400654

unfortunately that doesn't allow me to change my decision to provide content to the site for free, as that content already exists and is theirs forever

Cody Gray

Yeah, I think it's pretty obvious that financial pressures have been ramped up significantly.

user400654

i worded that poorly, but i think you know what i mean

not sure how to express it properly

i contributed my time and effort to a community i felt was there to help people grow as developers... but i no longer see it as such a place

Andras Deak

whoops, that's not how the saying goes, is it?

better late than never, and better to be safe than sorry, hehe

I'll just delete that before too many people see it

George Stocker

22:48

I used 2017 because that’s the last time SO had to lay people off

user400654

but i don't own the content i contributed, so i can't do anything about it.

George Stocker

So it’s an apples to apples comparison of company behavior

It's Over

Pineapples.

They digest your tissue.

Cody Gray

Been reading your Twitter "blog" with interest, @GeorgeStocker, but I frankly find the medium extremely sub-par. I don't know if Twitter is just especially bad for users who aren't logged in, but the UX is terrible, and splitting things up into little micro-blurbs is kinda annoying to me. Is there a reason why you use Twitter, as opposed to say a blog?

Every time I try to click to follow a "thread", I lose my place in the overall chain.

Cerberus_Reinstate-Monica

Same here.

Andras Deak

22:51

@CodyGray twitter was meant to be a way to broadcast stamp-sized mental belches to the world

writing threads defeats the purpose of the medium

Cerberus_Reinstate-Monica

Then its meaning was wrong.

Cody Gray

I know what it was meant for: Thought diarrhea.

I dislike that form of communication. Hence the above.

Andras Deak

"Twitter is just especially bad for users who don't like it", fixed it for you ;)

Cody Gray

Oh, you're saying he's using Twitter wrong? Yeah, probably that, too.

It's Over

I have some jokes about Twitter but they're NSFW. And not in just one way.

Cerberus_Reinstate-Monica

22:53

I'm not at work.

Cody Gray

At this point, I still like Stack Exchange better than Twitter. So..um..yeah..there's that.

Cerberus_Reinstate-Monica

Haha.

Journeyman Geek

@CodyGray there's a tool for that if @GeorgeStocker hasn't blocked it.

Andras Deak

@CodyGray wow, some standards you have there

Cody Gray

@JourneymanGeek So you're saying I have to userscript Twitter now, too? Fantastic.

Cerberus_Reinstate-Monica

22:53

I still like Mao better than Hitler.

George Stocker

@CodyGray Twitter is stream of consciousness. I’ll likely reformulate and blog about it too.

Twitter’s value is virality

Journeyman Geek

twitter.com/threadreaderapp?s=09 this might help

user1306322

twitlonger is a popular service

re: meta.stackexchange.com/a/342449 what happens if/when the software SE corp sells becomes free (a free alternative arrives, just as good)?

@Cerberus_Reinstate-Monica thought you said mayo, was a bit confused but not surprised, many people do hate mayo

Andras Deak

there are plenty of free alternatives to paying software and still the latter thrive and profit

Cerberus_Reinstate-Monica

@user1306322 Well, even those who hate mayo must agree that it is an excellent thermal paste, between processor and cooler.

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