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12:00 PM

Bonus point if the magazine is also teaching you something ILLEGAL like hacking your neighbor wifi and even provide you with tools.

Cindy Meister

@BlueSoul ...I just really don't know, because if I look at a magazine rack it's no longer for technology. I gave that up yeaers ago, when the few tech 'zines left in the German market addressed topics no longer of interest to me.

BlueSoul

@CindyMeister oh, got it now.

Also, if anyone else here saw those kind of magazines on sale in other countries... feel free to say so. I'm curious.

(btw, somehow related - I wonder how they can get away with selling a guide to how to steal your neighbor wifi connection with included tools but no one still is selling a "become a burglar" guide with enclosed crowbar)

Cindy Meister

@Magisch Not if your technology forces you to learn a new language every five years, or so. Example: WordBasic->VBA/VB6->C#->(Office Open) XML->JavaScript... Funny, the transition from VBA to C#, then back (sort of) to JavaScript was "you've got to be kidding me". I only just got my head around data-typing, etc. and now I have to unlearn it, again?

Magisch

@CindyMeister I program in php, javascript, c#, c a bit of java, vb6 and vba

Cindy Meister

But it''s the attitude of entitlement that makes it so onorous. I don't mind instructing at the beginner level. But when people can't be bothered to provide the additional information requested or to actually answer what you ask...

Magisch

12:05 PM

the different data types just slot into different memory areas in my brain. SQL too, but sql is sort of seperate from other programming languages for me

Thats just the modern world in general, though.

Cindy Meister

SQL is a bit like Word fields or Excel formulas...

Magisch

"What I want, how I want it, for free. Now. No extra effort. And be nice while doing it"

Cindy Meister

^^ExactlyI use those "different memory areas" for keeping German, English and French straight in my daily life.

Magisch

It's everywhere really

I feel for people in retail, just on monday I saw some incredibly rude behavior from someone in front of me at the checkout

treating the cashier like some sort of servant and the snobbery oh lord I would be fuming

Cindy Meister

Yes, I often have to admire people on the otherside of "the counter". I doubt I could do it.

terdon

12:11 PM

@CindyMeister meh, mine doesn't work that way. I get buffer overflows all the time and they bleed into each other. Maybe because I grew up bilingual. But I mix all of my langauges up these days, it's really annoying.

BlueSoul

... considering that O'Rley chose a chicken as the animal for the SharePoint books cover....

rene

@CindyMeister Wordbasic ... hello ancient past ...

BlueSoul

Would it be appropiate to call the app catalog site "ChickenPen"?

Cindy Meister

@terdon Searching for a word while speaking and knowing the one on the tip of the tongue is not the right language, but not being able to locate anything in that language..

terdon

@CindyMeister yep. Or just using the word from another language without even realizing.

Rob

12:16 PM

What is a NAIL HOUSE?

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Cindy Meister

Translating for some one and being told "You're repeating what they said, but I don't understand that..."

Magisch

I do that often. It seems to correlate with how much I've spoken in a particular language before

so right now for instance I haven't talked much to colleagues all day and in the lunch break I wove some english into the german subconsciously

Cindy Meister

When I'm very tired is when it mostly happens to me <sigh>

English + German: In Switzerland you can no longer be sure it's not deliberate. It's considered "cool". Even the newspapers do it <gagh>

terdon

heh

Magisch

you know what's funny considering most swiss people I know we could probably communicate better in english then in german

Tinkeringbell

12:19 PM

@BlueSoul Except that most of the stuff that I'd label "feedback" isn't necessarily rude/abusive.. it may just as well be unkind, or not needed. Rude/abusive is a very clearly defined category, but people seem to think that anything that's not that is automatically feedback... it's not.

Magisch

I can't understand swiss german accents and swiss people complain about mine

Mithical

-1; not enough gardening metaphors

terdon

I am most comfortable when I speak with someone I share languages with, so I don't need to worry about which one I'm currently using.

Tinkeringbell

@Mithical ?

terdon

It's really weird for those around us though. I have friends with whom we'll switch from Greek to English to Spanish to French in the same conversation.

We were sitting in a bar in Athens a while back and the guy next to us came up and asked "But, where the hell are you guys from!?"

Mithical

12:20 PM

@Tinkeringbell You've got lots of playground metaphors, but not enough gardening ones ;)

@terdon bwahaha

Tinkeringbell

@Mithical Gardening ones are reserved for better people ;)

Also.. kinda random as no one was discussing that answer ;)

Mithical

@terdon Sometimes a word or a concept just doesn't quite fit when you try to translate it. There are nuances and subtleties that you can't always express in a different language. So yeah, communicating is easy when you can just slip in a word here and there and not worry that it won't be understood.

@Tinkeringbell That was the point, draw a little attention :P

Tinkeringbell

Meh. I could probably do without that.

;)

Cindy Meister

@Magisch Yep :-) Those who live in the area of Stuttgart, and right on our border, have it easiest. Apparently, the farther north one goes, the worse the problem. Except that Dutch/Flanders are much closer to Swiss than to "Platt", it seems.

BlueSoul

@Tinkeringbell As for the unkind - I fear this is a case of tomayto/tomahto - I just mean anything that violates the "be nice" principle. As for the not needed, it all amount to defining what is not needed. Obviously repeating the same thing that has been already posted by 40 other different answer is not really needed, I would just upvote the others.

Tinkeringbell

12:27 PM

@BlueSoul Take a look at the comment I linked in this chat message.

Oh, it seems I used a wrong link. Moment!

BlueSoul

it is an user profile....

Tinkeringbell

Try again? :D

That's the kind of stuff I'd call "feedback". Not blatantly rude or abusive, but enough of a jab to pile up, and unnecessary.

And this is 'just' a comment... there's been plenty of answers like that too.

BlueSoul

@Tinkeringbell oh, that I would just call "unkind".

because, as you said - it is a jab

Tinkeringbell

It's borderline.

Probably unkind...

But it's an example of stuff that toes the line so closely, especially on meta where people still argue that dissenting is okay too...

And it is... but not this way.

Rebecca J. Stones

12:47 PM

Oh! Hello. I'm in a chat room. la la la

Tinkeringbell

Hey Rebecca! Welcome :)

Rebecca J. Stones

Haha! Thanks for your response to my post. It's quite encouraging.

Tinkeringbell

Aww! blush.

Thank you for appreciating it. There's not much of that going around lately, so that's appreciated too :)

rene

The Timeline got added to posts in the UI.

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that is one userscript to get rid off.

Rebecca J. Stones

Okay "Timeline"? Is this a new edit history? (It looks really cool!)

Tinkeringbell

12:52 PM

@rene Weeee!

Magisch

@RebeccaJ.Stones it existed before, but you needed to manually construct the link to see it

Tinkeringbell

@RebeccaJ.Stones It can help you figure out if e.g. a post was closed/reopened before, or if it became a hot network question....

Magisch

it was reworked though and the rework looks crisp

Tinkeringbell

A lot of people like looking at that stuff apparently.

Mithical

Ooh, snazzy.

Rebecca J. Stones

12:56 PM

Are deleted comments deleted from the timeline?

Mithical

yes

Rebecca J. Stones

Okay then (: thanks (:

Rob

🔄🕔👏

Tinkeringbell

@RebeccaJ.Stones Testing to know for sure, are ya? ;)

Rebecca J. Stones

Hahaha! (:

terdon

1:00 PM

@Mithical Oh, sure. And that's a large part of it. But sometimes the word might be "table" or whatever, but it just doesn't come to me in the language I happen tobe speaking.

Cindy Meister

@rene Wow, that's cool :-)

terdon

@rene what? When? Where? I don't see it.

Oh! Saw it.

Duh, I'm used to seeing that on the sites I mod so I didn't notice! Nice!

Rob

1:22 PM

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A: Add a link to the timeline of a post

I am happy to announce that a new and improved post timeline is now available to all users. It can be accessed by clicking the clock icon underneath the voting and favorite buttons that are located to the left of a question or answer. Clicking on the button will bring you to the timeline p...

rene

1:34 PM

in SO Close Vote Reviewers on Stack Overflow Chat, 30 mins ago, by rene

@Dharman I checked if I got a diamond by accident ...

terdon

:)

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