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1:10 AM
@Catija Where are the best fireworks viewing places for Independence Day in Austin?
 
Dunno. Ladybird Lake?
 
We stopped going to downtown San Diego to watch the fireworks after a certain incident in 2012
 
We don't go to them any more.
 
Thankfully, the high school near our home shows fireworks, and we can view them from our backyard. Except they do them a day early to cut costs down.
And it's official: a couple of relatives from India have booked a last-minute plane ticket to see us
 
 
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2:34 AM
@rene ah, I only now realize what you meant by having to do the clicking :P
I was too sleepy last night :P
@ShadowWizard aye, that's great. Thanks! :)
 
Grrr, sore throat and insect sting(?) on arm...
 
@ShadowWizard that's actually cool. without the diamond, he correctly does not show up in the list for moderators on MSE
@ShadowWizard Though, how did you find them out so quickly? o.O
@rene the SEDE query is helpful...but I have to get the list of all employees for a userscript...I was hoping to fetch the list of all employees every week and store it
Okay, this seems interesting enough, I'll post a self-answer on StackApps
 
2:56 AM
@GaurangTandon a certain user on SE has already done that here, but it's rendered as web page, not JSON
 
@SomewhatMemorableName wow that's great! too bad its source code is hidden though :/ I requested access nevertheless...
> but it's rendered as web page, not JSON
The rendering doesn't matter. I only wish to understand the underlying logic by which they are determining which users are employees.

I also noticed that the script tracks employee additions and deletions (which is pretty cool imo). Apparently, it polls the SE API every day for all users and then filters those with `is_employee` property true. That's as far as I can guess.
 
As opposed to performing a query that filters inside the database? Seems vastly inefficient.
 
3:45 AM
MFW a community project to clean up mess on Stack Exchange has a spam explanation field before Stack Exchange proper does
 
@JohnDvorak It's only there because I pushed for it
 
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog While this answer looks NAA to me, I don't see a reason to report it to SD. The spam answer plagiarized that answer and added the spam links. From the point of view of spam, that answer appears to be just an innocent bystander.
 
@Makyen It looked more to me like it's the same spammer, but they forgot to include the link (or assumed it was stripped off), so they tried again with a new account.
 
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog That's possible, but I'd consider it unlikely.
 
@Makyen FYI: me and @gparyani are the same person :)
 
3:52 AM
socks
 
@JohnDvorak Go check
 
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog Hmmm... that's interesting. Do you switch bodies back and forth? I'd think it would be disorienting.
 
@Makyen @Shadow switches bodies between a hedgehog and a wizard, so...
 
That's just werehogism then
 
3:59 AM
@Catija Out of curiosity, where did you end up seeing the fireworks?
 
3 hours ago, by Catija
We don't go to them any more.
 
@Catija Oh, I thought you were specifically referring to the Lady Bird Lake ones.
 
We have a toddler who goes to sleep at 7... not really possible.
 
AM?
 
4:01 AM
@Catija Especially when you can hear them from miles away
 
them toddler? :P
 
the lady bird
 
Lady Bird is a 2017 American comedy-drama film written and directed by Greta Gerwig and starring Saoirse Ronan, Laurie Metcalf, Tracy Letts, Lucas Hedges, Timothée Chalamet, Beanie Feldstein, Stephen McKinley Henderson, and Lois Smith. Set in Sacramento, California, in 2002, it is a coming-of-age story of a high-school senior and her turbulent relationship with her mother. Lady Bird premiered at the Telluride Film Festival on September 1, 2017, and was released in the United States on November 3, 2017 by A24. Critics praised the film's screenplay, direction, and Ronan and Metcalf's performances...
My, that's a loud cinema
 
Lady Bird Johnson was President Lyndon B. Johnson's First Lady, and they were from Austin
Thus, there's a Lady Bird Lake in Austin.
 
@JohnDvorak what kind of filter would you apply?
 
4:07 AM
SELECT ... WHERE
 
...actually, I am writing a userscript ;)
so, no SQL is allowed
 
@YvetteColomb If I may ask, do you know what Telkitty was doing with self-driving cars earlier?
 
the toy car?
 
Donkey Car? (That's a real name, by the way)
 
4:32 AM
and delvote if its closed, I'll wander off for lunch now ;)
 
@GaurangTandon this is horrifying
 
@JohnDvorak well, not really :/
 
 
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5:53 AM
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Q: How to get a list of all StackExchange employees?

Gaurang TandonFor a particular userscript feature, I need to get a list of all StackExchange employees. The list would be updated every day (per SE website). What is the most efficient way to do so? I looked at users/moderators, and was hoping to filter all user_ids wuth is_employee set to true, but it turns ...

If anyone is interested, please do check out above (cc: @rene @ShadowWizard)
 
@GaurangTandon the list being removed was intentional tho
 
oh, didn't think of that :/
it found a loophole in SE API or what ?
 
cause the guy who wrote it has been keeping track of these things for years? ;p
 
you mean to tell he hardcoded the data on his harddisk instead of fetching it from an API/database or something? o.O
and is manually keeping track of new meta announcements to update employee additions/deletions?
 
;p
naw
I think he knows where to look in the API ;p
 
5:57 AM
is that a loophole in the API? ;)
...that and I still don't know who "he" is who maintains that Google Apps Script
 
the user formerly and occationally known as normal human ;)
 
ah, I've seen quite a lot of his scripts
another one was that determined the previous usernames of a user
he's a genius
oh, okay they have an entire collection normalhuman.github.io o.O
 
@ShadowWizard cool
is normalhuman around these days?
If he is, I hope he could check out that question, and probably post an answer, considering he's written the very script I'm trying to write a subset of.
 
@GaurangTandon no, he left MSE for good.
 
6:10 AM
@ShadowWizard :(
 
He's around on other sites, but assume he'll ignore anything related to what he did here.
(Maybe not... worth trying.)
 
alright
 
Anyway, tons more for you, @Gaurang
Page 5 ^
Got lazy so FHRC became FHRD
All of those are employees since their last chat message was posted in private chat room.
 
hmm, they're pretty active around here
 
Random example:
 
6:13 AM
so many of them don't have diamonds o.O
why in the world does SE want to complicate stuff for random userscript developers like me? :(
@ShadowWizard 1 rep and no badges O.o
 
@GaurangTandon but works for SO
 
to the equivalent of working on Facebook without having a Facebook account
 
@ShadowWizard some people like to not volunteer extra for work after work
 
Well, most SE staff don't need diamond or even actual account, only developers and CMs do. They all do get account on MSE though so they can chat, the chat here is their private internal chat system.
 
well, a lot of SE staff will never actually see the sites
 
6:17 AM
@rene do Teams have private chat?
 
@ShadowWizard no
 
@JourneymanGeek oh.. could have been good alternative to them chatting here. :)
 
@ShadowWizard the only real issue with that is - the lack of non-staff mods
 
As you see, it's not 100% private, we can see who is chatting and when. Just not where and what exactly. :)
 
I guess...
and then what? ;p
 
6:19 AM
@JourneymanGeek I have a sneaking suspicion that this has more to do with technical debt
 
@JourneymanGeek it was brought many times, answer is always "no real need for that", to which I still agree.
 
@Magisch and special casing
 
I assume the diamond on mse is bound to quite a bit more code wise then it is on normal sites
for one, it might be that diamonds on chat.mse can see and view employee only rooms
 
hence special casing
 
ya
 
6:20 AM
ya, that's one reason.
 
thats probably the prime reason why they have no community mods on mse
 
and shrug all that means that if employees arn't around and bored enough, some cleanup work takes longer
 
yah
only some cosmetic clean up work too, we still have flags n stuff on there
 
@Magisch sure, but some do, like @g3rv4 for example. He actually volunteer extra for work during work, i.e. taking on himself missions he wasn't asked to do.
(he developed some kind of app to help localize the spanish SO site.)
Now that's whole new level of noble. :)
 
Sure
But you can't expect every employee to do that
 
6:25 AM
Of course.
 
then again its always nice when employees talk to us users :) lends itself to a better atmosphere
I think just sometimes its tempting to forget how nice we have it here compared to other sites when delving into criticism of SE
 
We don't criticize individuals (well, at least we shouldn't), but rather the policies and features, or lack of them.
 
That's fine and I assume welcomed by staff, but sometimes I see stuff like "other places already have this" which misses the point as an argument that we have a lot of stuff other places dont
 
@Magisch depends... in small things it can be valid argument.
But yeah, "Google has better search" is pretty silly argument. (for example)
 
SE's chat has been legendarily lacking ;)
 
6:36 AM
I saw yesterday request for logging in with GitHub, giving Amazon Cloud9 as example where it's possible, and think it's a valid argument to make.
 
@Magisch on the other hand, sometimes you need to let people know, politely, what isn't working
 
@JourneymanGeek because chat is the fourth citizen (after questions, answers, and comments), and was never meant to get lots of focus. To this day, there's no link to user chat profile anywhere on their main or meta site accounts.
 
.... I meant search
 
Sorry, 3 conversations at once lol
 
6:38 AM
True about that, yeah.
 
SE's chat's nice
actually despite the occational lack of love, it works very well
 
Yeah, @balpha stopped in the middle of a really big makeover, that's a pity.
He did push some major changes to mobile chat which was a real bless though.
(not 100% baked too, e.g. can't reply to messages from mobile transcript)
 
well mobile chat was rebuilt
 
@ShadowWizard well, there is for mods
 
i've come to like se chat
 
6:54 AM
@Magisch Shog actually said here that the private rooms here require the staff bit for access.
 
7:11 AM
@Magisch there's a handful of features everyone else gets wrong
like replies
 
:7077511 ha! AIM still works here even though it's deleted
 
Congratulations, by the way, for the very unusual achievement of posting an nicely-upvoted question on Meta SE that is closed as off-topic and has a single heavily-downvoted answer… we get so many questions that have the opposite voting pattern it's a little tiresome! — Nathan Tuggy 14 hours ago
 
ooh
reverse reversal ? ;)
 
@NathanTuggy: Yes, refreshing indeed. Strange things happen on Meta. Should be a badge. A sort of Reversal Reversal. — Bathsheba 13 hours ago
 
7:31 AM
Next FR: UWP for... SE chat
 
still think that question should be a better fit for MSO but as everybody seems happy and even re-opened after I tried to set it up for migration, you can all celebrate your success.
 
@JourneymanGeek looks more like "smacked down"...
 
@SomewhatMemorableName if there were an API...
 
user310756
7:53 AM
 
\o/ daily foal
 
user310756
;)
 
user310756
this is in their new home. They moved to new paddocks today
 
user310756
much better
 
user310756
she's a little darling, she came up to me at the gate for a pat
 
7:55 AM
btw you remember the cousin I pinged you about with the obsession with her horse?
We got her several horse brushes
 
user310756
nice :)
 
user310756
that's a good present to give a horse lover
 
8:09 AM
thousand and one brushes later they took on collecting stamps as that takes much less space, although less rewarding
 
in the process we found out how expensive good horse brushes are
 
I bet anything that gets labelled for a specific purpose gets riducule expensive
 
Brush... reminds me of brushing horse on Harvest Moon: Back to Nature (PS1)
 
8:26 AM
Hard to change habits, but I managed to not downvote this.... I said in some answer a while ago that I won't downvote off topic questions if they're already at -3 (which is required for deletion) unless they're badly asked.
@Mithrandir really? Mods see direct link to user's chat profile? Now I envy the mods.... :D
 
What's with all the Drupal questions?
 
@ShadowWizard well... it's hidden in the mod dashboard
 
@JourneymanGeek hmm? Saw only one...
 
The hidden mod is the deadliest ninja noises
 
and psst. userscript to link to chat profiles from main-site profiles github.com/ArtOfCode-/Userscripts/raw/master/stackexchange/…
 
8:29 AM
@Mithrandir oh... so not ideal. Still better than searching the chat users page though...
@Mithrandir I don't use userscripts, thanks though. :)
 
@JourneymanGeek umm... what about that?
Sorry if I miss something obvious...
Really can't see anything special in the transcript... ?
 
....
Stupid mobile whatzamacalit
@ShadowWizard should have linked that
 
@JourneymanGeek oh... that's almost a troll, cross posting bad questions all over SE.
(and same questions usually)
I'm 100% sure they'll keep posting as long as they can, i.e. until question ban will kick in.
Luckily, such awful users are still rare.
 
Ahh
Still Drupal
 
8:38 AM
In the past I used to ask Oded to suspend them on MSE and he did it, but....
 
Ah ya
Alas
 
Atlas?
;)
 
No alas
 
lol I know just trolling you a bit, it's fun. :D
 
Giant turtle that carries the 4 elephants that carry the world....
 
8:39 AM
Terry!
 
Drupal, where troller and spammer come together
 
Drop your Drupal or be Derped forever!
 
@ShadowWizard *shrugs*
</reference>
 
@ShadowWizard ? who summoned me?
@ShadowWizard Lum!
 
8:55 AM
@Magisch atuin!
 
@JourneymanGeek Oh. That explains the name of my crochet pattern. Usually they have 'creative' names like Timothy Turtle, Pippy Penguin... this one turtle is called Atuin :)
 

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