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02:40

More featured post: July 2018 monthly product team updates

More ning.

> Left nav and site themes: We will be posting the first 10 site designs for feedback early this month. Next step is to release those 10 designs including an update for all network sites with "stock" theme. Later in the month we will release an additional 10-20 designs for feedback.

If Anime.SE gets its site design within the first 30 sites, I'll probably laugh until my stomach hurts...

Catija

I'm guessing they're redoing existing site designs, not creating new ones.

Somewhat Memorable Name

Talking about the custom layout and fonts on some sites... make sense...

Journeyman Geek

'custom' ;)

Feeds

04:01

I'm going to tell the manufacturer that their business practices are ADMIRABLE and ETHICAL and their developers are ATTRACTIVE and I'm going to report them to the FCC for their IMPECCABLE VIRTUE.

Somewhat Memorable Name

04:18

@Feeds perhaps related to this XKCD... Looks like someone thought that Math.SE has an identity crisis...

Somewhat Memorable Name

04:32

And... Happy 4th of July?

Adam Lear

@Catija That's right. We're converting existing designs (including the stock "beta" one) to the new layout first.

Catija

Some of them shouldn't be too challenging. Cooking, for example.

I know a lot of people are really worried about it and I'm sure it's going to make things less "pretty"... but the back end is going to be so much more functional and flexible, it seems.

I think the sites will still have fun, unique designs in the end, even if they're not the same.

Adam Lear

04:48

I hope so. There's definitely going to be some losses since we can't replicate some of the existing designs (like Worldbuilding) in their entirety.

Magisch

tfw you wake up to 15 pings

Somewhat Memorable Name

Based on User Experience, Michael Lai earned his (its? being a Godzilla plushie...) diamond for the 1st time

Journeyman Geek

05:31

@AdamLear WB's theme will be missed.

and probably talked about for a long time in hushed tones ;p

ooh. That's a nice touch. I didn't realise the new theme (did the old one?) would show new posts over whatever the current view was if you clicked on load new posts

granted, I just spam f5 usually ;)

Adam Lear

@JourneymanGeek Not sure what you're referring to? Like... "X new posts" notification on the home page? That's been in place for years :) (Except on SO where it's on tag-specific questions lists)

Journeyman Geek

ah. I guess I missed that due to my bad habits ;)

Adam Lear

But also, yeah, WB's design as it is now will definitely be missed. It's one of my personal favorites

Journeyman Geek

But ya, complaints aside - eh, if it means sites actually getting themes, and less technical debt and other nice things, It's just one of those things we'll need to live with :(

Magisch

06:26

I'm curious as to how the "no discrimination based on english fluency" is supposed to work

SO very openly does and always has discriminated based on english fluency, and this is not really something that can change. A question in non english is going to get closed and deleted regardless, as is one in completly broken english.

Optimus Prime

found this on a linux group but... but can be used on SO too

3

Magisch

In my workplace that's not actually enough btw

the senior devs expect you to exhaust your other methods of finding an answer before bothering them

ɪʙᴜɢ

07:27

A good recent update of Smokey. (Brief documentation on GH)

Somewhat Memorable Name

in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 4 hours ago, by iBug

!!/report is finally merged with !!/scan. No more need to scan-then-report if the scan fails to catch a post. Just !!/report it if you're sure it's spam, it will be reported accordingly. !!/scan if you'd not report the post.

rene

delv-pls 20K python meta.stackexchange.com/q/312104/158100 (and that user posted more) /cc @JourneymanGeek @ShadowWizard @Bart @TravisJ @Glorfindel

Shadow Wizard

voted

Magisch

07:44

I think the discrimination part of the CoC is self contradictory

At least in part

Tinkeringbell

I apparently can no longer open the google doc. I'm blaming the work laptop and firewalls.

What part seems contradictory?

Shadow Wizard

@Tinkeringbell works for me, and Google assigned me a unicorn!

Magisch

You can't be welcoming towards lgbt people and different gender identitys and not offend religious people in the process

Someone's gonne be offended, since for some people, avoiding to offend other people in and of itself is deeply offensive, when for instance their religion mandates punishment and social stigma against a certain group.

Shadow Wizard

@Magisch I don't think they mean us to post "Hello and welcome, I like the fact you're gay and think it's awesome, please feel free to ask questions here and I will answer".

more like don't post snarky comments.

Magisch

No, but if someone has their identity in their profile for instance, some people are going to be offended that that's allowed

Or going to be offended that nobody calls them out on it

Shadow Wizard

07:51

Still seeing this whole thing as "What Not to Do".

@Magisch so they're welcome to leave.

Tinkeringbell

I'm... going to try and ramble my way through this...

Magisch

Yeah, but the CoC makes it sound like we're not allowed to discriminate on beliefs whatsoever, so even beliefs like that are explicitly supposed to be welcomed under the CoC

Hence the contradiction

Tinkeringbell

So. Some of you may already know, but I was raised pretty strictly religious, with the whole stigma and stone-them attitude.

It took a very long time and some serious s... happening to a friend for me to realize how wrong the whole attitude actually was, and to start slowly shifting perspective. I still ask awkward questions from time to time.

Discrimination or being offended are two different things.

(Does that make sense?)

Discrimination is throwing a friend out of her parental home, because she managed to get the courage to tell her parents she's loving another girl.

Being offended is more like not being comfortable with the idea that she loves girls.

Magisch

The reason im mentioning this is that I know people (that I'm no longer in contact with) that would be deeply offended and outraged to share a space of anything with someone who isn't straight and also of their religion

So to tell them to cut that would in and of itself be discriminating based on their religious belief (that only their religion should be allowed to exist and only their worldview should be tolerated)

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch Yep. That's the discrimination that isn't allowed.

Can you quote me the entire paragraph on discrimination, please?

Derpy

07:57

morning

Magisch

> No discrimination of any kind. This includes any language likely to offend or alienate people based on (but not limited to): race, gender, gender identity or expression, English fluency, sexual orientation, disability, mental illness, nationality, neurodiversity, physical appearance, body size, or religion.

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch Maybe 'language' is the key here.

Magisch

Same thing with some other incredibly unpleasant individuals that are offended to share a space with neurodivergent people and it is their religious belief that those people shouldn't be able to participate in society.

Derpy

does anyone know if the "contact us" form allows the same kind of "markup" allowed in posts / chat messages (ex: links, bold etch)

Tinkeringbell

@Derpy I believe it just sends an e-mail, so I'd guess no.

Mithrandir

07:59

@Derpy pretty sure it does not, as it's essentially just an email thing

Derpy

so, anyone has the actual address it uses at hand?

Mithrandir

[email protected]

Tinkeringbell

The whole part of that CoC is to make clear that this is a space where all of those people can be found, and if you're not happy with it/not going to be able to co-exist, this isn't the right place for you. Whether or not I'd call that discrimination...

Like I tried to explain, there's a difference between being uncomfortable and actively discriminating.

Derpy

thanks, @Mithrandir

Tinkeringbell

Everyone can come here, but there's certain stuff you need to leave at the door.

Mithrandir

08:01

np

Shadow Wizard

@Tinkeringbell exactly

Magisch

@Tinkeringbell I don't disagree with the intent

I just think the specific language used is gonna be used as justification for people to bring their retrograde beliefs under the guise of "You can't discriminate against me for that, it's in your own CoC"

Tinkeringbell

To give an example: on IPS I've deleted both answers calling people narrow minded small town religious zealots because those people were apparently uncomfortable with LGBT related issues, but I've also seen the stuff advocating that LGBT is sinful being deleted.

@Magisch I can't discriminate against you for holding onto whatever you believe. But I can say that if you're expressing those beliefs in such a way that it's likely to offend or alienate other people and actively discriminating others, you're on a suspension.

(general you, not going to suspend Magisch)

Shadow Wizard

@Magisch I think you can't discriminate a discriminator

jeffmikels.org/posts/…

Magisch

In a general sense you can, really. Discriminate is just a word for "take negative action against or for based on..."

From cambridge dictionary "to treat a person or group of people differently"

Shadow Wizard

08:11

@Magisch one should not call out someone else who discriminates a third person, instead they should just flag and go away. That's not discrimination. The moderator deleting the discriminating comment isn't discriminating the user posting it.

Magisch

Deleting someone's comment because of their expressed religious belief in said comment is a form of discrimination based on religion, though. Justified, in my opinion, but still discrimination

Maybe we're thinking about different meanings for the word discrimination, which I take to be neutral context-free

Shadow Wizard

@Magisch I disagree.

It's stretching the meaning of "discrimination" too far.

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch I know you're talking about comments, and they often have one thing I dislike and that's the character limit that doesn't allow for much nuance... but I've wrote e.g. this answer and I wasn't discriminated against.

It wasn't deleted.

Magisch

@ShadowWizard I'm going off of the cambridge dictionary definition

Tinkeringbell

Neither is this one.

Magisch

08:16

In which case the fact that you answer me when I write here and not some other people is already positive discrimination towards me (and negative towards other people). So I'm confused about the wording, if you apply precise definitions to it, it doesn't hold up to talk in absolutes.

Shadow Wizard

@Magisch things can't work by the raw/dry definition forever.

Tinkeringbell

I've grown up with a definition of discrimination that was more like this:

> make an unjust or prejudicial distinction in the treatment of different categories of people, especially on the grounds of race, sex, or age.

Magisch

to be clear I'm not worried about our enforcement of the new coc

I'm worried we'll have to field more arguments from people that want to language lawyer the rules

Tinkeringbell

Hmmm. I'm not too worried about that, since I've seen the fair share of people already shouting 'I'm being censored!'.

Magisch

Traditionally we've been good at deflecting those by keeping the rules somewhat vague

Tinkeringbell

08:19

We've already managed those until now, it would be easy to say 'nah, you read that wrong, here's a lesson in reading and a suspension, see ya!'

@Magisch I think the whole thing on discrimination is still pretty vague, and leaves enough room?

'no discrimination of any kind' is already in be nice?

> Bigotry of any kind. Language likely to offend or alienate individuals or groups based on race, gender, sexual orientation, religion, etc. will not be tolerated. At all. (Those are just a few examples; when in doubt, just don't.)

it's just rephrased a little.

Magisch

I think it could be more general and helpful adopting the wording from Journeyman's answer

Tinkeringbell

(I haven't reached that one yet. I'll get back to you ;) )

Shadow Wizard

@Magisch reminds me of myself, I'm often worried about "What could happen" long before it can happen. But usually it resolves itself just fine when it comes to the "moment of truth".

Magisch

I'm just speaking from bitter, bitter experience of dealing with language lawyers for the better part of my adulthood on various platforms

The amount of lifetime I have spent arguing with and subsequently banning people language lawyering everything staff said on my minecraft server alone

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch I share some of those concerns, I wrote an entire answer on them ;)

Only that related to the 'when someone says they're uncomfortable, stop' paragraph, not the discrimination part.

Magisch

08:30

There is almost nothing I dislike more then people obviously trying to violate the intent of rules and trying to get away with arguing with you until you don't care anymore

Martin James

@Magisch Yeah, like the continual SO metas: 'Yes, off-topic, but library recommendations are useful and so we should keep them'.

Thet go on, and on, and on,and on....

Tinkeringbell

'Why was my comment deleted, it contained an useful opinion!' Ugh.

Martin James

@Tinkeringbell ACK.

Magisch

"My opinion is clearly always right and should be preserved in all cases"

How dare you not appreciate my wisdom in the manner in which I chose to present it?

Mithrandir

-5

Q: IPS' specific comment requirements & why comments can be useful

Some constructive feedback and observations from my visit here. TL;DR; Information being in comments that would make good answers can be detrimental to the site Information in comments are not always worthy of being an answer, but should still be shared if it's useful information Information ...

Tinkeringbell

08:38

Well, for one, it wasn't backed up, you didn't say how it would work and under which circumstances, and oh yeah, is it suggesting any improvement or requesting clarification? :P

I think people are sometimes confusing suggesting improvements and requesting clarification into suggesting clarification.

@Mithrandir Did we keep count? The how manieth was that?

Magisch

@Tinkeringbell Might be in the double digits now

Mithrandir

Could mods stop deleting the comments?, Rather than commenting, what is a better way to add information for future readers (and the OP) without it getting deleted?, Why was comment deleted?, How do I know who deleted my comments?

Some thoughts on the moderation of comments on this stack, My comment in the question about farting got deleted

Tinkeringbell

(wrong room maybe to spam all those links ;) )

Mithrandir

well, you asked how many :P

rene

A reasonable response would have been a number. Not a verbatim copy of meta.IPS ....

Tinkeringbell

08:45

^ That :)

rene

high-five

Magisch

waters rene

Tinkeringbell

ducks too slow

Martin James

That reminds me - our window-boxes need attention with watering can.

Tinkeringbell

I just filled the water bottle XD

Shadow Wizard

08:49

@rene 42

Tinkeringbell

Also, I guess I should have an opinion more often. I've already almost rep capped for the second time ;)

Shadow Wizard

@Tinkeringbell poor Kobi lost tons of rep due to rep cap...

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizard Yeah, they're already at 70? I think I at most lost 10 or 20 ;)

Not even that, I got exactly 20 upvotes yesterday XD

Derpy

And the contact us mail was sent. Let's see how this will end. The clock is ticking, 24 hours countdown started.

Shadow Wizard

Funny trivia... I know Kobi IRL... or knew? Not in touch for years.

We learned together back in uni.

(So I always double check myself before voting for him. :))

@Derpy you.... deleted your account??

If you expect to get answer within 24 hours... I'm afraid you might get disappointed.

Derpy

08:56

@ShadowWizard no, I just released the community managers on that IP post from yesterday.

Shadow Wizard

@Derpy so why countdown?

Derpy

because "A support representative will be reviewing your request and will send you a personal response.(usually within 24 hours)"

rene

That can still be in 6 to 8 days

Derpy

so, if I am lucky in about 24 hours I will know if that things has to go and all the "I see no problem with it" was nonsense of if I am really the odd one here

Shadow Wizard

@Derpy huh??? Where is this written?

Derpy

08:59

@ShadowWizard in the reply to the contact us mail I sent.

Shadow Wizard

@Derpy that's new... there was never auto reply.

Mithrandir

There... is one now.

Shadow Wizard

I guess SE must hire at least 10 new employees to handle emails if they want to keep their word.

More likely they'll change the auto reply to "usually within a week".

Mithrandir

At least they turned off the auto-replies for mod CM escalations ;) The SO mods' emails would've been quickly flooded.

Shadow Wizard

Time for very serious question.... Ready?

in Shadow's Den, 2 mins ago, by Shadow Wizard

hmm.... does a moose taste like a cow?

Anyone? ^

Tinkeringbell

09:02

@ShadowWizard Depends on how much BBQ sauce you use

rene

I would ask on Cooking.se or Outdoors.se

Shadow Wizard

@rene good way to reduce my 101 rep there to 1....

@Tinkeringbell a lot!

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizard You probably won't notice the subtle difference then ;)

rene

Yes, I'm always happy to give valuable advice

Tinkeringbell

also, if moose and cow both use their tongue to taste, they probably taste the same way

Shadow Wizard

09:06

@Sonic I'm not 100% sure about your edit to the "recent feature changes". Bug fix is not a new feature. Not sure enough to rollback, but still... you really think that bug fixes also fit in there?

@Tinkeringbell makes lots of sense.

rene

@ShadowWizard IMO they should not, in case my opinion counts

Shadow Wizard

@rene and even for free... so generous. :D

@rene it does.... let's see what Sonic has to say. :)

Actually, that's something worthy of meta discussion.

Maybe a bug fix with big enough impact does fit, not any bug fix.

i.e. bug fix that changes current behavior of the site.

So if someone could chat without gaining a single rep point, and now they can't due to the bug fix... it might count as "feature change".

(especially when that bug/back door existed for long years)

rene

09:29

that is an unexpected synonym: meta.stackexchange.com/tags/uploader/synonyms

Shadow Wizard

@rene huh? Why? What other uploaders we have?

rene

That is true

Shadow Wizard

The only uploader is the image uploader so it makes perfect sense to have synonym.

rene

I expected image-uploader to be the main tag

Mithrandir

isn't there a sound uploader on Music.SE?

Shadow Wizard

09:31

@Mithrandir maybe, but being site specific it would be off topic for MSE anyway.

rene

sound embedder?

Mithrandir

@ShadowWizard it's also on MusicFans.SE, so... no

Shadow Wizard

@rene people are lazy... only few will bother to look for image uploader tag, most will just go for uploader.

@Mithrandir oh. Well if it was actual uploader you got a point but looks like it's only embedding, like YouTube vids on some SE sites which get "oneboxed".

You don't upload the vid/music, you just embed it in the post by putting a link.

rene

@Mithrandir no, there is soundcloud embedding: music.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/245/…

Shadow Wizard

09:53

in Shadow's Den, Jun 29 at 9:30, by KennyBOT

~ Where is everybody!?!

Would fit here too! ^

Derpy

Oddly enough, RPG board are pretty empty right now too.

Shadow Wizard

Why odd?

Derpy

because they usually are pretty busy.

John Dvorak

Maybe they have been subtly put down by the recent increased demand on how you word certain things

Shadow Wizard

RPG? Not familiar with that chat, but assume they were always fine in that regard, otherwise @Derpy wouldn't hang out in there. No?

@Derpy ohhhh... it's the 4th in July today. Many people in the USA are busy celebrating, probably holiday too.

So, USA is 242 years old today. Happy Declaration Day!!! :D

John Dvorak

10:06

Oh right. The land of the free is obsessed with creating explosions for the rest of today.

Shadow Wizard

fireworks! yeah

In Israel we have kind of unofficial competition between the cities who has more fireworks in our independence day.

Silly... but that's human nature, I guess. :D

John Dvorak

The Israeli national flag is a firework as well, after all. And so is USA's.

user310756

Shadow Wizard

@JohnDvorak huh? Afraid I lost you on this...

Anyway... anyone here from Poland? this doesn't look very good.... :/

John Dvorak

Star = explosion, nah?

Shadow Wizard

10:20

@JohnDvorak oh.... well... the star in Israel's flag isn't really a star. ;)

It's a Shield.

Journeyman Geek

I thought it was basically a prayer mat design?

Shadow Wizard

It's two triangles forming a "star" shape.

oh.... just now realized for "formal" word for this is "hexagram". lol

Derpy

> The name 'Shield of David' was used by at least the 11th century as a title of the God of Israel, independent of the use of the symbol. The phrase occurs independently as a Divine title in the Siddur, the traditional Jewish prayer book, where it poetically refers to the Divine protection of ancient King David and the anticipated restoration of his dynastic house, perhaps based on Psalm 18, which is attributed to David, and in which God is compared to a shield (v. 31 and v. 36).
The term occurs at the end of the "Samkhaynu/Gladden us" blessing, which is recited after the reading of the Haf…

Shadow Wizard

heh, MSE spammer getting lazy, using same avatar all the time.

Derpy

odd. I though the name "Shield" of David was originated from the ancient use of the symbol as a "protective rune" in kabbala.

(See also the related Seal of Solomon)

instead it seems it was a "title" given to David. Oh, well, another thing learnt.

Shadow Wizard

10:33

@Derpy news to me too, though I'm not religious so don't have much knowledge about those things to begin with.... what I knew about it is that David used such a shield (with this exact shape) when fighting against Goliath.

Derpy

again, wikipedia:

> The Seal of Solomon (or Ring of Solomon; Arabic: خاتم سليمان‎ Khātam Sulaymān) is the signet ring attributed to King Solomon in medieval Jewish tradition, and in Islamic and Western occultism. It was often depicted in either a pentagram or hexagram shape; the latter also known as the Star of David in Jewish tradition.

This ring variously gave Solomon the power to command demons, jinn (genie), or to speak with animals. Due to the proverbial wisdom of Solomon, his signet ring, or its supposed design, came to be seen as an amulet or talisman, or a symbol or character in medieval and Renaiss…

I knew the story of the ring (it comes up very often in games, anime and such)

I always assumed it was the origin of the kabbala related belief that said hexagram/pentagrams provided a protection against demons

So, I though it was called "shield" because of that.

Shadow Wizard

oh, I see.

Derpy

turns out it was a more literal meaning.

rene

10:54

waffles

Journeyman Geek

@rene doggoned

rene

@JourneymanGeek did you vote on this one and this one

Journeyman Geek

now I have

sigh ;p

rene

final one here

Journeyman Geek

Just gimme a list ;p

rene

10:56

I'm done ;)

Journeyman Geek

ya, I had to go out XD

rene

cv-pls discussion Not about Stack Exchange Network software how can do i secure “web API” in Laravel? - Priyank Panchal‎ - 2018-07-04 10:55:47Z /cc @Bart @ShadowWizard @Glorfindel

Derpy

..... I may actually buy this one.

rene

lol

rene

11:36

delv-pls 20K last of the laravel stuff meta.stackexchange.com/questions/312097/… /cc @JourneymanGeek @Bart @ShadowWizard @Glorfindel @Catija @TravisJ , needs 1 more vote

Journeyman Geek

already delved ;p

rene

yeah, I'm going back and forth frustratingly clicking delete ....

Shadow Wizard

kaboom

rene

thx

Somewhat Memorable Name

12:19

yw

Shadow Wizard

12:30

@hey don't steal my thanks!

:P

@JNat cross site spammer, "only" two sites, but since they suddenly triggered after 11 days in MSE, they'll probably do it again... better not let them do that. :)

g3rv4

13:30

o/

Tinkeringbell

Hello :)

Shadow Wizard

huh? Smokey doesn't welcome anymore? :(

oh well, let's make you coffee!

g3rv4

has their mind blown by the existence of bonfire bots

Shadow Wizard

lol

Smokey is a very useful bot!

g3rv4

we do have some, but using internal apis... are these bots interacting via the web interface?

Shadow Wizard

13:34

Serious idea though.... maybe make localized versions of Smokey, e.g. Spanish, so that he can be in localized SO chat rooms? @g3rv4

g3rv4

ha, localization... everyone's dream job

Shadow Wizard

Guess all it needs is translating the English strings... and some code changes to put proper strings... fun!

g3rv4

fun indeed

Shadow Wizard

Well there are several of its devs here, and all the rest are in the Charcoal room.

g3rv4

I'm sure that if it was translated, we'd happily use it on SOes

Shadow Wizard

13:37

Nice... @Andy @ArtOfCode what you think? Any chance for such a thing? (Localized version of Smokey)

@rene you also admin there? Always keep forgetting...

lol

g3rv4

whatever you do, please please please PLEASE don't use transifex

Shadow Wizard

Guess someone can post request for translations in spanish.SO meta.

@g3rv4 hehe, why?

It works, after all...no?

Magisch

smokey is quite talkative today

Shadow Wizard

lol maybe mistake of Andy or Art who aren't aware they're logged in as... well.. the bot. ;)

g3rv4

SO MUCH PAIN... searching for strings is awful. History of what happens gets lost... that's why we built traducir.win, where we can do searches of strings using regex, we can have multi tiered approval (so that we have regular users, trusted users and reviewers) and... it's tied to the SO identity (not sure how important that is for localizing the chat, but for the SO localization, it's critical)

Shadow Wizard

13:42

@g3rv4 ohhhh... so this can replace Transifex?

rene

@ShadowWizard I occasionally submit PR's but I'm not a code admin there

Shadow Wizard

Must be tiresome to talk so much, so...

g3rv4

@ShadowWizard it just uses transifex as the API to Stack Overflow... but yeah, it's our source of truth, everything happens in the open (we have a web interface to the database and daily backups downloadable by anyone)

as it is the source of truth, it can "fix" the errors introduced by the Stack Overflow sync

Shadow Wizard

let's see something...

LOL

maybe let it work only for reports?

Mithrandir

is unused to being unable to read deleted messages

Shadow Wizard

13:45

(was kind of expecting "this isn't a report" message... ;))

@g3rv4 do you have access to all the source code of SO, or only the code relating to the Talent site?

g3rv4

@ShadowWizard all the source code and all the databases (well, except the teams databases for obvious reasons)

since day 1... which... kind of impressed me

Shadow Wizard

@g3rv4 whoa... any chance to ask you sometimes to look into small bugs then? Bugs which are usually overlooked in MSE because they're not "big", but still got some impact? (used to poke Oded about such bugs in the past, but.. you know)

Totally OK if not.... but if you have the ability, the time, and the will... then why not. :)

g3rv4

@ShadowWizard yeah, I'm happy to help whenever I can (I've done a couple things for SOes) but as I don't work on Q&A, anything I do needs to be outside of my work hours so it may take a little while... but I have had some PRs merged with things that were bugging us at SOes

Shadow Wizard

@g3rv4 awesome! Will keep that in mind. :)

Something that might be easy to fix is:

5

Q: Low quality question page not having same style as rest of site

On Stack Overflow, when the "questions you ask per week is limited" page is shown, the style does not match the rest of the site. It doesn't have the same heading and sidebar. The entire webpage is in the image below

bug design low-quality-posts

rene

prepares long list of bugs

Shadow Wizard

13:55

Looks like the /ask page throws error (which is caught at some level) instead of just showing it when the user is rate limited. Any chance to look into it? @g3r

(probably affects all sites, not only SO)

Pretty sure similar bug was reported for something else and fixed, can't find it now...

g3rv4

alright, I've favorited it... I'll take a look :) proooobably this weekend

Shadow Wizard

Take your time... I'm pretty sure nobody else will "steal" your bug fix. :)

And as a token of my gratitude, here is a beer for you!

@g3rv4 ^

.....and this one wins the "Weirdest Question of the Month"! o_O

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizard Not even enough time to pick the right flag before it got closed :(

Somewhat Memorable Name

g3rv4

ugh... grandchildren

Shadow Wizard

14:07

@Tinkeringbell lol yeah closing is usually fast, deleting takes more time...

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizard Can't help with that yet, I need to have more opinions first :)

Shadow Wizard

@SomewhatMemorableName lol... where you found it? ;)

@Tinkeringbell well, if @JourneymanGeek did it, you can do it... just takes time and patience... and writing stuff... :)

Tinkeringbell

I think I can handle the writing part :P

Also. I just noticed the notifications for this room are much nicer than the KABLOING you get for pings in other rooms...

Shadow Wizard

lol

Somewhat Memorable Name

Mar 15 '16 at 3:05, by muru

@AndrewT. actually, @Zacharee1 and we were discussing how horrible the chat sound on http://chat.stackexchange.com is, compared to here.

Journeyman Geek

14:11

@g3rv4 ya

Tinkeringbell

@SomewhatMemorableName Hah, I came years late to the party :)

Shadow Wizard

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Q: Chat notification sounds have become like icicles repeatedly driven through my ears

(Yes, I said "through my ears", not just "into my ears".) It looks like HTML5 <audio> elements are now used to produce notification sounds in chat. And good heavens have they become startlingly loud. Please lower the volume of these notifications — or do whatever it is that needs to be done to ...

bug status-completed chat audio

Journeyman Geek

Most them are off horribly jerryrigged web ui things, ranging from stuff running on erstaz browsers to a jerryrigged python library

@ShadowWizard I joke I leveled up on MSE

on both sites where I'm above 10k, there's a... noticeable inflection of reputation on the graph

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek lol.. but you did! ;)

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard well being a mod helps

Shadow Wizard

14:14

You also did it fast, think in couple of months you jumped from like 5k to 20k on MSE, no? @Journeyman

Journeyman Geek

Also, I've always argued its more about consistancy

Somewhat Memorable Name

there was a race to 20k back then...

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard oh, I had something I was trying to work towards to kickstart me.

(10k to see a deleted post I COULD SEE ANYWAY)

now IDK

Somewhat Memorable Name

next is race to 42.195k

Journeyman Geek

Its fun? ;p

Shadow Wizard

14:15

Ever lasting fun.... :D

Journeyman Geek

for certain values of fun lol

I don't know what a high MSE score even means ;p

I mean, sure I suppose it helps others get used to SE, and sharing knowledge is always nice

but eh, there's no fun rep milestones till 100k

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek 100k? What we get at 100k?

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard on many sites, swag

and its...a nice number?

Shadow Wizard

oh, by the way you work from home? @g3rv4

g3rv4

@ShadowWizard yes! from Montevideo, Uruguay

Shadow Wizard

14:17

nice!

@JourneymanGeek oh lol

Journeyman Geek

On the other hand, I guess it lets you focus on posts and not worry about votes, but.... why worry about votes?

Shadow Wizard

@g3rv4 you ever got swag from SE? (shirt, cup, etc. ;))

Journeyman Geek

I always get one or two downvotes at least and on meta, you can totally post a great answer that people can validly downvote

g3rv4

@ShadowWizard yup yup :) there's some employee swag that's really really nice

Shadow Wizard

@g3rv4 cool... pretty sure it consists of a hat... dunno what else though.

Journeyman Geek

14:19

naw

Never heard of an employee hat. I heard there was a hoodie once ;).

Shadow Wizard

ohh

Journeyman Geek

Hats are a mod thing

g3rv4

you can find out here

Shadow Wizard

hat... hoodie... sounds the same... :D

g3rv4

I was late to the hoodie

Journeyman Geek

14:20

hoards hat

@g3rv4 hah, I tend to keep an eye on that ;)

Magisch

I have a SE tshirt which I treasure deeply

And a SO bottle

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch .... funny thing is I have multiple SU shirts

and I kinda remember which is which despite all of them but one being black ;)

g3rv4

or... I can tell you :P a nice jacket and a backpack (in addition to the bottle and various shirts)

Journeyman Geek

Hopefully the nalgenes and not the sippy ones?

Magisch

Ahh working for SE would be a nice dream job

Shadow Wizard

14:22

@Magisch nice... I think I have all the swag stuff ordinary users could get: 2 shirts, mug, bottle, notebook, stickers, pen...:)

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch Huh, you should treasure that stuff? :P

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch well, keep an eye out and apply if something catches your eye? ;)

Shadow Wizard

@g3rv4 sounds good... you got it in the meetups? Or mail?

Magisch

@JourneymanGeek Tends to be for senior devs and those better then me in their fields

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch well, you arn't going to know till you try ;)

And even then...

But I'm an optimist lol

Shadow Wizard

14:24

I think Kasra was hired with nearly no actual programming experience, no?

Journeyman Geek

err. I think he did do android no?

Magisch

r/a interpersonal.stackexchange.com/q/16145 ?

I'm sure kasra had a lot of other good qualities then. SE is notoriously picky about its staff

Journeyman Geek

yup

g3rv4

@ShadowWizard when I visit the office at NYC I get a swag refill (and sometimes I get a shirt in the mail)

ArtOfCode

@g3rv4 Smokey already monitors es.SO, and your could have it post to a chatroom there (but it'd post in English). Localisation isn't an entirely impossible job with our current architecture, though - throw me a feature request on GH

Shadow Wizard

14:28

@JourneymanGeek not a lot at all, and he wasn't the "senior dev" @Magisch is talking about:

So there is a good chance for those with little experience as well, IMO.

(screenshot is from his public LinkedIn profile)

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard true but he had a specific skillset ;)

Shadow Wizard

@g3rv4 awesome! How often you reach the NYC office?

g3rv4

a couple times a year (last time I was there for the Jon Skeet 1M celebration)

Shadow Wizard

oh.. nice.

g3rv4

when in doubt... I'd say apply for the job

to me, it was a long-fetched dream... I didn't study in any fancy university

I never worked in a team bigger than 5 devs... just getting an interview was a success in my book

yet... I made it...

Shadow Wizard

14:39

:thumbs up:

oh, good luck in the game against France in two days! @g3rv4 ;)

g3rv4

🇺🇾

Shadow Wizard

> In World Cup matches, Uruguay are unbeaten against France (W1 D2), beating them 2-1 in 1966 and drawing 0-0 in both 2002 and 2010.

ɥʇǝS

16:40

@Andy I can't upvote your answer :P

It would mess up those perfect 9s

Andy

16:56

No...don't mess with my 4 9s!

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