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9:11 AM

@YvetteColomb always at your service! :P

You just need to ask. :D

OTOH, our standup usually consists of "yesterday's doing X, today's doing X", then repeat for every members.

Oh, "standup" might be used only when it's about Scrum. @Yve

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ah k

We don't even know how to do a proper standup...

Or not...

Stand-up meeting

A stand-up meeting (or simply "stand-up") is a meeting in which attendees typically participate while standing. The discomfort of standing for long periods is intended to keep the meetings short. == Notable examples == By tradition, the Privy Council of the United Kingdom meets standing. == Software development == Some software development methodologies envision daily team-meetings to make commitments to team members. The daily commitments allow participants to know about potential challenges as well as to coordinate efforts to resolve difficult and/or time-consuming issues. The stand-up has...

9:13 AM

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like, should we stand up or sit down...

We do sit-down meetings. ;)

@YvetteColomb It's supposed to be 15 minute meetings, where you say 'yesterday I did this, today I'll do this and I'll finish my tasks on time/not, I could use some help with'. But ours also often veers into discussing all sorts of unrelated technical details.

I wish there were lay-down meetings.

That would be chill.

nah... sit-up meeting...

9:14 AM

@forest Surely there are! Probably in Google.

@forest There are lay-down concerts over here, I've been trying to get tickets to one of those :D

@Tinkeringbell our "standups" in the end were once a week only and easily went on for an hour or more :D

The nice thing about working remotely is that I can legitimately lay down for meetings.

Just connect to IRC and put the laptop on my chest.

@Bart I've been in a team where they were only twice a week, and even then it went quite nicely. 15 people in 30-45 minutes...

And lie in bed reading a novel while the meeting goes on.

9:17 AM

The most frustrating thing here is that I'm used to standups being at the same time, everytime. Arriving on Monday to two moved standups and then having one moved again is just... irritating.

@Tinkeringbell don't sit down in case another standup is stood up

:p

ahaha

@ShadowWizard That'll get you into trouble for not having a good work posture :P

lol

9:21 AM

Person on the left's posture is bad for the neck.

Need something to rest it on.

If there'll be a company making its meeting in toilets I'll be the first to join!! :D :D

What if it's a plumbing company?

hmm... fine by me! :P

:p

It can save so much time... people waste hours in toilets, per month. So make it productive! :D

9:23 AM

Hey isn't that what magazines are for?

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard seems like a sure way to have crappy meetings

Magazines are so 2000! Now we have smartphones! ;)

@forest magazines? All I get is either the birthday calendar or a poster :P

Though I have a co-worker who always go with the daily newspaper. :)

@JourneymanGeek or a way to piss off everyone..... :P

Dad used to take the Donald Duck magazines... they never smelled the same after :(

Journeyman Geek

9:24 AM

all that time, down the drain....

God dammit I was just about to say that.

@JourneymanGeek worthy for an answer to the contest? ;)

@Tinkeringbell eww

blames self for starting this though ;)

Let's see...

!!/blame

@ShadowWizard It's Paul White's fault.

@ShadowWizard I was just about to say that! :P You're learning ;)

Nah Mr. White is innocent.

9:27 AM

@Tinkeringbell is that ... a NSFW joke?

not on my christian minecraft server!

@Magisch Not that I know? Explain? :P

I often say funny stuff unawares ;)

rene

@YvetteColomb she is doing great, by the looks of it. That is awesome.

@Magisch Also... this is now my chat server? :P

@YvetteColomb looks great

@Tinkeringbell the "my christian minecraft server" thing is a meme

@Magisch pretty sure she meant this literally, though I wonder, what Donald Duck magazines exactly? @Tink

9:31 AM

Sssh this is a CHRISTIAN Stack Exchange room. No swearing. :^)

There's no one here named Christian

Christian, Berlin, Germany

460 2 7 9

Is he here? In this chatroom? I think not!

But are they here?

@Bart I can feel it!

9:33 AM

@ShadowWizard a disturbance in the force?

No, shoes.

Sep 17 '10 at 2:48, by Shog9

also, wtf are "christian shoes"?

I feel it in my shoes. ;)

Anyhow, I realized something, after almost 20 years of programming. Code is unfriendly. I stare at the code, the code stares back at me. And keeping silent. No helping hand, no "Sorry for making it so hard to write me". Totally against the new CoC!

Maybe you're just being unfriendly to the code.

Mithrandir

pretty sure a relatively large percentage of this chatroom is decidedly not Christian, @forest :p

I mean you're defining variables, why not let them decide what they want to be?

@forest when I do, they run away, never to be found again. :(

9:39 AM

"I was assigned uint32_t at birth, but deep inside, I am a uint64_t"

@ShadowWizard I like it when my code runs.

2

Not when it runs away! :D

Mithrandir

...that seems a bit insensitive actually, @forest

mocking, kinda

Fine fine

@forest I'm a void *.

9:40 AM

There

Mithrandir

...

@forest eww... C/Java! I'm not there... I'm in a place where variable can be anything I want it to be, and it can change its type on a whim (but my whim!). :P

(aka JS)

@Bart I'm (apache_t)forest.

@ShadowWizard But casting is free in C! (on LE machines at least)

@ShadowWizard I guess JS does have somewhat of a... subjective quality to it.

@forest Pointer will never become a Date...

@forest it can do great things, with rather simple/easy way to write code. That's what matters. ;)

I use Python when I need simple/easy to write.

I use C when I need speed or low-level crap.

9:44 AM

lol

I know some people are just biased against character arrays...

h8rs gonna h8

in Shadow's Den, 2 hours ago, by Shadow Wizard

@TheLittleNaruto repeat after me: this is fine

@ShadowWizard The weekly ones. We had a subscription on those ;)

mumble....

@Derpy I'm sorry, could you try again and articulate? :D

9:46 AM

grumble snort...

@Derpy yeah, you're right....

I think you just won a reference in my Advent Calendar, @Tinkeringbell.

@Magisch Never seen that one, sorry :)

This one is just too good to skip :P

@Derpy Did I now? I'll see it then ;) And I'm sorry to say I already missed three days :(

9:48 AM

@Tinkeringbell you can click past days. Just not future ones.

@ShadowWizard Speaking of casting in C, the Linux kernel does some absolutely retarded things with casting... Incredibly complex macros.

actually, you even get a reply for future ones.

Tonight then ;) We just had a whole discussion about the contest being NSFW ;)

Also...

!!/amiprivileged

@Tinkeringbell ✓ You are a privileged user.

Cool.

9:53 AM

@Tinkeringbell mods get default privs everywhere

@Magisch I know. I didn't use to have them here, and I didn't ask, so I wanted to check if that was actually true :P

!!/amiprivileged

@ShadowWizard ✓ You are a privileged user.

@forest ouch. But... why?

> #define container_of(ptr, type, member) ({ \
const typeof( ((type *)0)->member ) *__mptr = (ptr); \
(type *)( (char *)__mptr - offsetof(type,member) );})

@ShadowWizard radek.io/2012/11/10/magical-container_of-macro

Because apparently that's elegant.

9:59 AM

0.o

@ShadowWizard And offsetof alone is ((size_t) &((TYPE *)0)->MEMBER).

At least it's better than any AAA video game!

Those are basically made of macros.

why have container_of and offsetof 2 different naming conventions?

Lots of old-ish code-bases get rather macro happy in gamedev.

@Magisch en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offsetof

So it looks like offsetof is a standard name that just had to be re-implemented in the kernel, whereas container_of appears to be newer.

Kernel code style guidelines say to name it with an underscore.

So anything new created for the kernel will obey that.

TIL enumerating an.... enum... in Swift is not that direct >_>

10:12 AM

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I thought Swift was just a meme.

And died.

Better than Objective C, I guess?

Well, it's Objective... so it should be better...

Objectively better

We need to go back to the world of common lisp.

I've just received word that the Emperor has dissolved the MIT computer science program permanently.

:D

I'm actually quite excited about JAI becoming available. But that's rather gamedev specific perhaps

10:20 AM

Never even heard of it.

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I'm one of those people who only uses C as a powerful language and considers new fangled junk like Java to be silly and useless.

@forest inductive.no/jai

Not sure how up to date those resources are. But the developer on occasion streams the status of the language. As does one of this developers

> simplicity

> designed for good programmers

Seem mutually exclusive.

haha

10:22 AM

@Bart you really think a single person can create a new full scale programming language? I don't think so, at least not in a way that would be better than existing languages. It requires lots of people to do such a thing.

@ShadowWizard JavaScript was made in like a week.

Which is part of the reason it sucks.

@ShadowWizard The progress is impressive. And he's no longer a single developer. And he addresses that sentiment quite often, dismissing it outright :D

@forest and improved for years afterwards by thousands

True, but that doesn't fit with my anti-JavaScript bigoted mentality.

Which I am proud of having.

Is it open source? @Bart (didn't dig into it yet)

@forest your right to resist change. Many do! :)

10:24 AM

@ShadowWizard no, it isn't. Don't know if there's a "yet" there. But to give you an idea, he is developing his new game in that language.

I like my buffer overflows and silent runtime corruption, thankyouverymuch.

No but seriously, C is an awesome language. The newer ones are often silly.

@Bart so IMO it's doomed. Just my very early opinion. Only time will tell. :)

You usually need a very, very convincing reason to make a new language.

@forest Hey, I develop in javascript

@ShadowWizard haha, we'll see. Lots of politics involved in language adoption as well. But at least it's an interesting proposition.

10:26 AM

@Magisch most people here do, I think?

@forest boredom

@ShadowWizard or frustration with the available languages.

Yup

I find javascript with jquery and the new async/await keywords to be bearable

I just think it looks ugly and is inefficient.

And people complain about C being insecure...

JS has (had?) the Power of Simplicity. And to be honest, it appears to be less simple over the years, so it's losing power. It tries to become a C-like language, and it's not and can't ever be.

So if something will ever end JS, it will only come from the inside.

10:30 AM

Nothing will end it. It's baked into the internet.

nah... if someone will write a better alternative, simple to write in, people will jump on it.

Everyone just needs to write in Whitespaces...

Last time I did something with Javascript, it was code embedded into PDFs. And I generated he JS from a C++ program :D

@ShadowWizard So someone writes a nice language that's simple to write in and is absolutely perfect, creates a pull request to add it to WebKit and Gecko, and the devs reject it because it's not popular yet. :P

Or just... combine all popular languages into 1 language, to create a new standard.

10:34 AM

That's where politics kick in. You'll need to lobby for a new language. Or it has to be such a game changer that others can't not pick it up.

ɪBᴜɢ

heh

Those JPEG artifacts tho...

ɪBᴜɢ

artifacts lol

Compression artifact

A compression artifact (or artefact) is a noticeable distortion of media (including images, audio, and video) caused by the application of lossy compression. Lossy data compression involves discarding some of the media's data so that it becomes simplified enough to be stored within the desired disk space or be transmitted (or streamed) within the bandwidth limitations (known as a data rate or bit rate for media that is streamed). If the compressor could not reproduce enough data in the compressed version to reproduce the original, the result is a diminishing of quality, or introduction of artifacts...

yea

@Bart lol

@Bart and Jai has such a lobby? Or is a game changer?

10:51 AM

@ShadowWizard it remains to be seen. In gamedev, and for gamedev constraints, it seems to have interesting properties. I don't know how things will be beyond that.

@Bart you can do better than that. I know you have a crystal ball.

Haha, let's say I'm interested enough to keep an eye on it. But it has a long way to go. Nobody is going to say "let's dump our codebase and replace it with JAI" as soon as it's available.

:)

And for the record... I know you took Rebecca's ball, @Bart! ;)

Jan 29 '11 at 16:14, by Rebecca Chernoff

I've managed to lose my crystal ball. ):

My own crystal ball told me that.

You know too much

whoops

going underground

10:58 AM

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@Tinkeringbell Remember to check the Calendar on Dec, 14th.

Do not expect anything too elaborate:P Just a little joke on your avatar and a certain popular song.

> weight-loss user profile spam on anime

and another here

ok.... as expected Anime has a lot of spam profiles, including many very inappropriate ones.

11:17 AM

.... I've just found my old userscript to add the Hacker Badge to the badge list.

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@Derpy Remind me on the 14th too? :)

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11:39 AM

@Derpy the NSFW avatar is worse than the fact it's used to spam...

Someone should tweet about those weight loss spammers. They use only very thin women to publish their products. It's sexist. Maybe this way SE will make it easier to nuke those profiles... (e.g. bring back the ability to flag profile?)

It uh

It's a weight loss ad

Of course they'll use someone thin.

thin != anorexic

and usually they go for the second one.