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Ahh the sweet smell of custom flagging 30+ users in the morning :D

7:14 AM

@rene one more needed

@Michelle any word why the sudden leave of jmac? :/

7:55 AM

I almost mistook him with JNat

also, should I flag it to be ~~featured~~ 注目?

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: Format a SSD from Mac OS Extended to NTFS by ToMMy_PL on apple.SE

@Elias flagged, let's see if they understand my Japanese...

8:16 AM

@Elias nah, they can't get rid of @JNat so easily, he's the Chief Spam Hunter! :P

time-to-delete webhook meta.stackexchange.com/questions/300373/… @rene @Bart @Trav

@balpha hey long time no hear.... how is it going? You still a PM? :)

no, I went back to development

my title is "Design Developer" now

I was out for a pretty long time because I finally took my sabbatical

@balpha oh, didn't know SE gives such a thing. Nice!

So what team are you in, if I may ask? Or just "general" developer, helping wherever is needed?

Design Developer... probably not what I thought. glance at site design

@ShaWizDowArd Yeah, it's like a second bucket of vacation days. You get one week per year (starting with the second year at the company), but you have to take at least four continuous weeks (to make sure you really disconnect).

Personally I hope you'll be back on chat development. @balpha ;)

@balpha sounds like paradise, here we get 12 days per year (basic) and one more day for each year in the same place, to maximum of 20 days per year if I'm not mistaken.

8:22 AM

@ShaWizDowArd I'm part of the design team now. Helping out with frontend implementation in whatever projects needs me at any time, helping build a component library -- so that we hopefully reach a point where @Elias doesn't have to glance at the site design anymore :) -- etc

("Here" as in most companies in Israel, not just my own.)

@balpha oh. So chat is... abandoned? :/

I remember you had some half-baked idea of allowing ping using ID and not name....

I'm not seeing a lot of priority being put into chat for right now, other than big bugfixes and stuff like that. I wouldn't call it abandoned (after all, we use it heavily internally, and stuff like the current mentorship experiment also relies on chat), but certainly maintenance mode as opposed to active development.

@balpha fair enough, and better than the apps I guess. You also take part in the mentorship, or is it only @Jeremy?

I haven't been involved in that yet (it started while I was out)

@balpha I see. Why did you return back to development? Your choice or was it required by the company, i.e. not enough developers? Either way, hope you're happy with the outcome. :)

8:32 AM

Yeah, it was my own choice. Trying out PM was an experiment, and it was fun, but I felt the direction of growth that I see for myself is more on the dev side

Glad to hear!

While we're here, did you fix unicornify? @balpha :)

Jul 12 at 7:15, by Shadow Wizard

@balpha hey, Unicornify is dead (giving "Python 2.5 is no longer available. Please refer to https://goo.gl/aESk5L for more information." error), any chance to resurrect it?

(In case you missed it)

nah, it was already down for half of every day usually because it was over quota, and I've stopped maintaining the Python version and put a bunch of work into the Go port instead

that's what powers this:

Unicorn of the Day

@UnicornOfTheDay

A new computer-generated unicorn at 5pm UTC every day, brought to you by @balpha. Unicorns are generated with https://t.co/KTBganKlS0.

181 tweets, 26 followers, following 0 users

So... so... unicornify is.... is.... DEAD? crying

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^ comparison between the old unicornify and the current Go version

But does it allow to give email (hash?) and get unicorn?

That was the neat part. :)

hmm.. the lower is better, more realistic hairs and tail. :)

8:37 AM

yes, they're compatible

I actually ported Python's random number generator to Go, so I could make them compatible

that unicorn above is 741d7afd5a220c6681bed2ffc63e7d6a

@balpha nice... but is there public API? From what I saw on Github we should install it locally to get the unicorns. :(

yeah, it's just a command line app right now

Anyway, awesome job! :)

thanks

9:38 AM

Hey balpha

long time no see

10:01 AM

hi

@Michelle ooh

tho, if its a JA cm, I'm out of contention.

10:24 AM

SO Documentation is sunsetting again?

... again?

ugh, nvm. This is the first time I see a featured meta post so long? Tagged 'feature' on 3 Aug, and it's still on today. I thought there's a limit of 7 days?

Probably mixed-up with something else...

@Elias the sun sets every day ... unless you follow the sun ...

I guess it's true for SO Docs ...

11:39 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, bad keyword with email in answer, email in answer, pattern-matching email in answer: How can I get my passport back while my application for UK Permanent Residence is under process? by susan on expatriates.SE

@rene or live on the polar circle

Then it sets once a year, when the summer ends, and doesn't come out again until the next summer begins

@Magisch yeah, true

bjb568

12:02 PM

Unicorns!

Derpy

Alicorns!

user315433

@Elias 30 days. Usually someone un-features after a week, though. But this one is big.

user315433

Is aki the jaSO "CM pro tem"?

user315433

aki ♦

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@ShaWizDowArd nothing I have seen so far

user315433

12:17 PM

Apparently so. Not on the list of moderators

user315433

So I can't tell when the diamond was acquired.

user315433

The English and Japanese versions of Juan M's posts are slightly different. English says "Last week marked the end of Jmac’s role as the Community Manager for this site." The Japanese version suggests it was his decision: "スタック・オーバーフロー日本語版サイトのjmac氏が先週、コミュニティマネージャー役を退任することになりました。"

@Michelle january 2016

@Michelle also single reputation point... Odd but plausible

user315433

But who is s/he on /company/team page, then? There are no Japan-based people there.

user315433

12:28 PM

Diamond + not on moderator list => either and employee or Jeff Atwood.

user315433

Aha!

user315433

Jeff's secret identity.

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Vaguely doubtful of it.

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Username similar to website in answer: What flowering plants could I keep outdoors in pots in winter in Holland? by Agri farming on gardening.SE

Dutch Flower spam ^

user315433

12:35 PM

I thought it was an okay post, but the link is about indoors gardening, and in India at that.

No gardens in India?

user315433

The question is about outdoors, in winter, in Holland.

user315433

Unusual to see SU spam lasting an hour

12:52 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: Courier does not work with courier-ssl installed by Roshan on superuser.com

user315433

Stack Overflow is 9 years old today (private beta began 2008-08-31)

user315433

Most viewed question of last year: Selenium using Python - Geckodriver executable needs to be in PATH, the only 100K views question asked during the period.

Who's the first to get the 9th Yearling badge...

(actually, the 9th badge is already awarded...)

user315433

Wait... was it July 31 or August 31? Looking at Jeff's badges

-1 wrong date

user315433

1:01 PM

Off-by-one errors are hard to debug, you know.

user315433

And it was on my Timeline of Stack Exchange sites for ages, without anyone noticing.

user315433

status-not-famous

yeah.. when you can have public beta earlier than private one :)

user315433

FFS API returns 2008-07-31 for the beginning of public beta. I manually filled private beta wrong.

1:14 PM

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1:27 PM

I wonder

@Magisch: you could email that to the CMs; use the 'contact us' link and share it there! — Martijn Pieters ♦ 2 hours ago

Would that do anything positive or just annoy the CMs that I innundated them with info they already have

If it is something that needs to go to the CM team anyway I see no problem by-passing the mod step. But I'm not sure how or if the mod team will now get feedback that something fishy happened on that particular post/user.

@rene No I mean

> but I'd rather not in public

but you wrote the SEDE query for that, and that's public...?

@rene I used my apprentice-level data analysis to get this stuff. So I assume whatever I have here is something the CMs already tried internally and deemed not worth the dev time to implement into the script. In essence I'm worried that my ticket will be "Hey look at this shitty wheel I reinvented for you"

@Elias Right, but it doesn't say that in the post. It also doesn't link to it, which is to stop flyby users from opening the query and harassing users on that list

Oh, so. Well, you can only try and if your account gets nuked you know the answer was no ...

1:36 PM

I made the meta post to maybe nudge them in the direction of implementing this by invoking public support

Since that's part of a cost-benefit analysis that I assume has already happened

3:05 PM

@rene for what it's worth I don't think you did something wrong. Providing feedback and asking for clarifications isn't hostile.

meh, when a CM leave comments, I better show I'm listening

@Magisch Is it the same thing you emailed me earlier or something else?

@AdamLear Nah, this is just the purpose that I discovered this for

I'm hunting sockpuppeteers

And I found a very effective data analysis technique to catch a ton of them the script didn't

Doesn't hurt to drop us a line then. I think you're putting a bit too much faith in what we've tried or had time to try. I don't think anyone's really touched vote fraud reversal in ... uh... years, probably.

I'm just debating if it's worth going through the backlog, given the amount of work it generates for the CMs to manually investigate all these

3:11 PM

Sklivvvz was the last to work on it some, but that was a long time ago and I think stopped with adding a couple mod tools.

Even in the best case I can only kick it to a CM

And then I'll probably never hear about it again

@AdamLear Setting my method to a very conservative (read: very few FPs) setting using only internal data I'm getting over 3000 unresolved cases from the last 3 years alone. I bet I'd make CMs and mods violently unhappy if I flagged all those

And I bet nobody at SO has the time to go through them all

If your concern is "I'll just be telling CMs what they already know", I don't think that's something to worry about. If it's "I'll never hear about it again and I'll be wasting my time because nobody wants to see 3000 cases"... can't help you much there.

Investigating individual cases does seem pretty meh... but if you were to share your methods along with a list of suspected accounts, we could (in theory) do something more efficient than hand-checking them all. Having said that... I can't promise we'd have time to work it any time soon or incorporate your method into our code. So we're back to "it's up to you whether to contact us or not" :)

@AdamLear What I'm doing right now is flagging new cases as they come in

This is generating about 30 or so cases a week, which is already considerable for the CM these are all being escalated to

3:29 PM

In case of vote fraud time has little weight. It's not urgent. SE won't fall apart if such a person will keep doing it for months before getting caught. What matter most is that at some point they will get caught and suspended. :)

Henders

4:23 PM

When is the next town hall chat?

No news about that unfortunately...

Jon Ericson

@Henders Tentatively next Wednesday circa 11:30 am Pacific. It won't be set in (metaphorical) stone until sometime next week, however.

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Henders

@JonEricson Okay, thanks :)

A: Is it "Greater-Than" or "Greater-or-Equal"?

@AdamLear Alright, I wrote up an explaination of how it works and linked the query in the contact us

Here's hoping I'll hear back someday

user315433

5:30 PM

# I am basically -sure- that this is wrong, but sending hundreds of millions of
# messages has shown that it is right enough.  I will try to make it textbook
# later. -- rjbs, 2008-12-05

user315433

Today's "reassuring comment found in source".

user315433

(Specifically, in Email::Sender Perl library.)

Glorfindel

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It is greater than because greater(>) than and greater than or equal to(>=)is different for example: if(i>10) { cout<<i; } if(j>=10) { cout<<j; } output is entirely different

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