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2:10 AM
 
user202362
So ... like ... if you have a global jet set style of living and constantly sleep deprived because of jet lag, then you are more likely to suffer from Alzheimer's? Who says life is not fair ...
 
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ugh
This place is trying hard to crush my spirit
I got written up for being late. When I'm going into the other campus in the mornings, and I need to actually spend 10 minutes walking over.
 
 
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user202362
4:00 AM
@bjb so you will start to become a college kat this september?
 
4:15 AM
Ugh, I missed Alex's true reference... now I'm stuck with this name :/
 
Could be worse; could be Llc
 
Whoa...
> Join Stack Overflow in Standing Up for Net Neutrality
 
user202362
Pty Ltd
 
user202362
4:30 AM
Of course, you hardly ever see a woman travel by herself
 
user202362
wut? that sexism, I always travel by myself
 
@Telkitty what were you reading? This Yahoo! Answers?
 
user202362
yeah, was pondering the possibility of spending 10% times while traveling solo in a rental car to save accommodation cost ...
 
user202362
traveling with people give you someone to interact and talk to, sometimes they can help you too but traveling alone gives you freedom
 
6:22 AM
Town Hall in 12 hours!?
 
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@Inc. sounds about right, yes
20K ms-paint meta.stackexchange.com/questions/298256/… /cc @Bart @Sha @tra
 
Hmm... how many "Net Neutrality" banner have I closed today..?
 
6:40 AM
@Inc. at worst it will be 169 * 2 ...
 
user202362
7:01 AM
@Inc. I have closed none ... for I have spent time on ... other places. Gaming the system else where ...
 
7:15 AM
@balpha hey, Unicornify is dead (giving "Python 2.5 is no longer available. Please refer to goo.gl/aESk5L for more information." error), any chance to resurrect it?
@rene done
@rene done
 
@ShadowWizard time to forget unicornify and start working on mlpify
 
@ShadowWizard thx
 
@rene yw
 
@ShadowWizard thx
 
@rene yw
@Derpy go ahead! :D
 
7:22 AM
someone savaged unicornify code, or so it seems.
 
user202362
by someone nicknamed 'codingisacopingstrategy'
 
@Shog hey, isn't Channels just a lightweight Enterprise?
(Well, makes sense, probably Enterprise costs tons of money, but why different naming?)
@Derpy someone who like tight pants.
 
user202362
I would have thought Channel is a part of Enterprise solution
 
@Telkitty exactly, so why push it out as a totally different product?
Also, now I realize where all the dev team (except DAG) has gone to. :)
Such thing need lots of developers...
 
user202362
7:39 AM
in Lounge<C++> on Stack Overflow Chat, 1 min ago, by sehe
That whole net neutrality thing. That's US right?
 
@Telkitty right
and not right
It's US thing that might affect the whole world
Internet has no borders.
 
user202362
sure it does, otherwise those EU countries wouldn't chase after US tech giants for tax money
 
8:25 AM
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Q: Reputation for accepted duplicate close vote

Martin PrikrylTo encourage people close duplicate questions, I think it should be rewarded with reputation. For many repeating trivia questions, answering them is usually easier then searching for a good duplicate question/canonical answer. And on top of that, you get a reputation, when your duplicate answer ...

I didn't see your face on the users panel and that's why I didn't CC'ed to you. Now you are there
CC @Oded
 
9:17 AM
Can you raise the number of CV to 100 from 50 per day in Stack Overflow @Oded
 
No.
You want to do that, you post a on MSO. And talk to the moderators and CMs.
 
The CV review queue contain 8.8K entries now
@Oded is it decided by CM's?
 
So? It was always the biggest queue.
 
Ok. I thought it was a work from dev side.
 
@SagarV yes. And moderators. I am a developer - I try not to make policy decisions.
 
9:20 AM
Ok. sorry for that. I will ask a mod then
 
@SagarV work, sure. Decision? No. And definitely not just me by myself.
There's this thing we like to have - a concensus.
I will not unilaterally change thresholds. If the CMs ask me? Sure. But that's where it has to come from, not the other way around (i.e. me changing stuff and then telling them).
In particular not for something with such a large potential effect.
 
Ok I will raise it in MSO.
the votes are not enough for me.
minimum 10 will be spend on the site for new questions. avg 25 for triage.
Then I can't review 40 items in the CV queue
 
less people maxing sounds realistic. I pick the low hanging fruit when in the queue, making it as easy as possible but even this way, even after getting used to new limit, it still felt noticeably harder than 40 reviews a day. I would say 60 reviews seems to be really approaching reviewer fatigue. You probably can stretch it a little bit more by "amplifying" current CV prioritisation heuristic (which works already well btw), but only a little bit — gnat Apr 13 '16 at 19:57
^^^ be aware that we already experimented with that, and experience shows that over 60 CVs a day may be too much for a single user. Solution for this problem is likely increasing reviewers involvement in CV queue (which is currently shamefully low) but SE management seems to be afraid that this will lead to too many questions closed to their taste
 
9:54 AM
not the first time it was brought up meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/285438/…
20K net share meta.stackexchange.com/questions/298282/… /cc @sha @bart @tra
 
So, it is a dupe even before posting...
 
10:19 AM
I wonder if it'll reach 1k by the end of the day.
 
@SagarV what is dupe?
 
1 hour ago, by Sagar V
Ok I will raise it in MSO.
will be a dupe of this
 
@Mithrandir the NN post on MSE? Likely so, with the most exposure possible.
 
29 mins ago, by rene
not the first time it was brought up https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/285438/we-need-more-close-votes
 
@Oded isn't it just a configurable parameter that CM can change themselves?
Even in a config file, surely Shog can change it manually, no need in real code change. No?
 
10:25 AM
Might be (didn't check). Still not something I will just change on a request by someone here.
 
@Oded of course, not doubting that. Doubt even @Shog can change it out of a whim, without proper internal discussion.
 
Exactly.
 
10:52 AM
bleh, i.stack seems down
 
@Mithrandir it does have lots of short downtimes lately, but ATM it works.
 
11:48 AM
I wonder what will happen if SO (or other site) will get into read only mode while the Net Neutrality banner is still there. Will there be two banners?
 
Yes.
 
@Oded so this new banner got its own place. Nice. :)
 
Just for 24 hours. Likely removed from the codebase tomorrow.
 
heh, I see it got unique id "net-neutrality-banner", so not really generic.
 
user202362
12:16 PM
I like how shog gets to host this net neutrality thing given the circumstance of baking sand
 
user202362
right @Alex?
 
er... what?
 
er... what?
 
'baking sand' ?
 
user202362
12:32 PM
 
that's a cat
 
user202362
I didn't say my messages were related :p
 
user202362
besides, cute cat in beautiful scenery, what do you have to complain about?
 
apparently lots
I have itches in my arms from working around the ceiling in the 1970s school we have some rooms in
 
user202362
take a shower?
 
12:39 PM
I did
also did the coconut oil thing
its still worth complaining about
 
user202362
check for insect bites? otherwise take some antihistamine
 
1:45 PM
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@Shog9 I'm stoked that SO is finally on the net neutrality boat, but I still want to slap every one of you for waiting so long.
Apr 3 at 17:25, by Jason C
Like the fact that nobody cares about https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/public-policy/2017/03/tell-policy-makers-th‌​ink-twice-blocking-content-or-flipping-internet-kill because they're all too distracted debating the gender-neutrality of the term "man-hours". God dammit.
See also
Mar 30 at 15:55, by Jason C
@NormalHuman I love how Joel bitched about an immigration non-issue, then Tim Post tried to cover it up with some sort of disingenuous "we reserve the right to say things that we feel are important", and yet nobody at SE has ever made a "take a stand" post about e.g. Ajit Pai being promoted to chairman of the FCC and things that actually matter to the community.
 
2:08 PM
It's good that you've found a way to still complain about it despite the fact that they're taking action. See also: xkcd.com/774
 
@JasonC I coulda sworn they had a thing about the last time net neutrality was a thing ._.
and people bitched about it too
 
Bass that comes in around halfway through is godlike
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: Display/Record touches in iOS by jeffcard on ux.SE
 
@JourneymanGeek I didn't find any on either MSE or MSO...
 
eh. I confused it with SOPA
long day I guess
 
2:27 PM
@jadarnel27 Where there's a will, there's a way.
 
@JasonC =)
 
@JourneymanGeek That was SOPA/PIPA. Dont remember when off the top of my head but probably when people were too distracted by occupy.
 
Those bills were also relatively more us specific, whereas us net neutrality laws at least legitimately if indirectly have the possibility of affecting the world at large. So I give so a pass on this one.
 
@JasonC well, actually
that its even an issue is a reflection of how unhealthy the US ISP market is
 
2:32 PM
@Shog9 yeah I saw that post I was happy to see it. Mostly I still harbor unrequited desires to smack Joel in the face, which is what this comes down to.
@JourneymanGeek yeah, true
 
I believe there's a song from Disney's "Frozen" that applies here
 
Sing it ...
 
We have the tech @shog, you can sing it, video it, and share it here in seconds from your phone. Let's see it.
Bust out that YouTube app. The future is here.
 
sadly, I've just heard rumors; never seen the movie myself
 
2:35 PM
Not a problem. Have it ready in two hours. Looking forward to the results. Thanks!
 
But with a title like "Do You Want to Build a Snowman?", I cannot imagine it not applying here.
 
Lol
 
user202362
@JasonC you can achieve that by stalking him at his work place, you know where he's going to be some of the times ...
 
 
@Feeds Physics???
It took 4 attempts for me to clear the PHYSICS paper in my Engineering course.
I hate it completely
 
user202362
2:46 PM
I love physics, the only subject I shall ever love.
 
user202362
although the one above wasn't really about physics
 
Hmm. I see. I don't understand why they titled it physics
 
user202362
Physics is more about a question like this: assume you are 70kg and you are going in the north east direction at 6km/h, suddenly you are attacked by two turkeys, one weights 10kg flew into you from south and one hit from west, that one weights 15kg. Immediately after the incident, how fast and in which direction are you moving ...
 
to the direction where I kept my GUN
 
user315433
Information Security graduated 6 years ago today (incidentally, the same day that Cryptography private beta began). Top question of last year: How does Google know where I am?
 
user315433
3:00 PM
Not even MathOverflow was spared from the neutrality banner...
 
user315433
Area 51 was, however. :)
 
user202362
3:12 PM
A better physics question: assume your nostrils exert air pressure of 782 pascal, a fly of 1g is flying horizontally beneath your two nostrils. What is the maximum distance that you can ensure the fly is sucked into your nostril?
 
user202362
don't be shy, those are high school physics, it doesn't take a genius to solve them ...
 
Got one from google. here it is
FYI for me Chemistry, Physics and Biology hours are always time spend in hell
ebay is out of mind
 
user315433
3:29 PM
Read "up to 8000" as "<= 8000", there is no contradiction.
 
agree but the way they expressed not constructive
 
it's marketing
 
They can combine it and say Shop now and save upto Rs 8000/-
 
user315433
Stack Overflow has up to 100 billion daily visitors.
 
It is not from SO. FYI it is from my gmail inbox
 
user315433
3:31 PM
Well, one has to be able to point out to at least one instance of the thing being true.
 
user202362
@Alex mostly from pets accidentally pressed the tab and entered?
 
user315433
So, it's "<= X, where = is sometimes attained".
 
Hmm. If they keep practise this, they can add as Shop below Rs 3000 Save upto Rs 3000, Shop below Rs 4000 Save upto Rs 4000, Shop below Rs 5000 Save upto Rs 5000 and so on. It won't make sense
 
user315433
It doesn't need to make sense, it needs to get your attention.
 
Again, it's a marketing strategy to show there's a better option to save up more. Make sense or not.
 
3:37 PM
@Inc. recently got another mail from ebay saying that ebay India acquired by Flipkart. not sure
 
There are many results when searching that. All fake news?
 
I didn't searched.
actually I used ebay only 2-3 times.
most of the time I am using amazon
 
I never used any of them though. I just did a quick search.
 
3:57 PM
Time for townhall chat
mm. looks like it is time to leave my office. It is 9:30PM in India.
Why you people didn't make such events in the day time. Instead making it in the night.
I am very angry
 
@SagarV it is in the daytime ... YMMV
 
huh?? that event is in two hours, isn't it?
 
townhall chat...and we don't have any topic yet!
 
@Vogel612'sShadow yep
 
4:01 PM
@ΈρικΚωνσταντόπουλος nope, Shog9 is going to take a stand and then we chime in ...
 
CC @rene
 
@rene let's see if shog9 will approve of townhall first ;)
 
 
@SagarV yes, I know how timezones work
 
I didn't realize it gave a two hour warning
 
4:03 PM
@Andy yes, but now that you have joined the room you'll be pinged 6 to 8 minutes before the start of the event
 
@ShadowWizard pretty much
although... Different goals
One of the trickiest bits with establishing a Q&A site for your team / company is scale - this stuff just doesn't work particularly well if there are only a handful of users.
 
Greetings Tavern
 
Enterprise is aimed at orgs large enough to actually create an entire Q&A "ecosystem" -
Channels kinda suggests you won't be that big, not even close, and tries to make up for that by offering a bit more integration - between channels, between channels and normal SO
 
I have a suggestion or feature request in mind, and I'd like to see the reception here before facing the flamethrower of downvotes.
 
terrible. Just awful. What were you thinking.
oops, posted too quickly
 
4:06 PM
Here it goes: Why do we close questions as too broad? Not necessarily in meta, but in other SE sites. Why do we prevent users from answering too broad questions?
 
@rene much better if the events be scheduled at UTC 12 or 12.30
@Unitato Because more people will take it as an inspiration
and fill with such stuff
 
@Unitato my opinion: AAAAANSSSWWEEEERRRRR MEESESSESEESESSS INCOMIIIING isn't the best thing that could happen...
 
Well🛅
Sorry mistyped
Didn't mean that emoji
 
@Unitato because I have to write a book to answer
 
you mistyped an emoji?
you got an awesome keyboard
 
4:08 PM
@ShadowWizard I mean...
I wouldn't.
 
Hey shog
 
Any way, well if an asker asks a broad question, most people would ignore it anyway
 
Is there going to be another tour of your home office after happy hour?
 
@Unitato meh...
 
Most of em won't take the time to answer such a huge question.
 
4:09 PM
long story short: it doesn't work that way.
 
@SagarV that is in the middle of SE Staff night ....
 
But if they do, isn't it great to have a great and thorough answer that can help future SE users for decades? Surely a win-win for SE.
 
This spam spend a lot of time in MSE before deleting
which really harassed me.
good night guys try to catch up all the things 2mrw
 
Thank you @Shog9 for that analogy, but it doesn't seem quite.
 
4:13 PM
Hey @Shog9 is there some specific member of the team that I can bug regarding this one?
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Q: Please add the individual close-as-off-topic reason in the Data Explorer

E.P.A couple of previous questions (How to find the actual close reason for a question? and How to determine why a question was closed from the data dump/data explorer) document the fact that it is currently impossible to find out the precise individual closure-as-off-topic reason used on any given q...

 
@E.P. this is... not trivial
The close reasons are in the dump. What isn't in the dump are the individual close votes
 
@SagarV you can report those in Charcoal HQ. In fact, we'd love that.
 
@Shog9 I don't care about the votes
I care about the reason listed on the close message
 
@E.P. To figure out which reasons(s) apply, you have to pull the votes and count up which reasons have two or more votes associated with them.
 
... which might internally be treated as a vote, but still
@Shog9 and this is done dynamically each time I load a closed question?
like, say, I go to
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Q: How do you build your own calorimeter in your garage?

L.KahlingI have seen people built their own calorimeter at home but when I messaged them, they didn't reply how exactly they did it. I want to try building one that is similar to this one but I'm not sure how to do it. They had this one at the Uni I previously went to and I could use it for an upcoming pr...

does it tally up the votes and decide dynamically to give me the engineeringy message?
 
4:19 PM
@E.P. if it's closed, yup.
 
@Shog9 that's bizarre
i.e. extremely counter-intuitive on perfomance grounds
 
@Shog9 Can channels also be for non-company organizations
E.g charcoal
We could be considered a nonprofit startup
 
why do a calculation (whose results will never change) over and over again, instead of doing it once when the question gets closed?
 
Well, most questions are not closed. And most questions are not closed as off-topic. So not as hot a path as you might expect.
@Magisch probably not initially
but doesn't hurt to sign up
 
We are in the filth business
We clean and collect filth
and organize filth
 
4:22 PM
@Shog9 But then presumably that means that it's not that hard to calculate that extra close-reason column when exporting to the dump / SEDE
 
@E.P. you sound like you're still assuming it's gonna have only one value.
It could be as many as three
 
@Shog9 wait, what?
since when do questions get closed with multiple sub-reasons displayed?
 
@E.P. since 6 to 8 weeks
 
@rene examples?
 
When a post is closed as off-topic, the off-topic reasons displayed are those for which either...
1. two or more voters chose them when voting to close
2. a moderator chose them when voting to close
So in theory you could have 4 votes covering two reasons, and then a moderator picking a 3rd reason, and they'd all be displayed.
 
4:25 PM
@Shog9 I'm pretty sure I've only ever seen single-reason closures
but still
that just changes the formatting of the column
i.e. make it a list inside brackets like the votes columns
 
Realistically, if we were gonna denormalize this we'd probably put it into the JSON column with voter info & everything else.
 
@Shog9 so, is that really really really hard?
 
@E.P. we'd need a reason
 
@Shog9 At least in physics it would be enormously valuable, particularly with the ever-contentious homework-like and off-mainstream close reasons.
 
And then... Well, if we wanted it to exist for all the stuff that's been closed in the past 4 years we'd need to backfill
@E.P. how?
 
4:28 PM
Currently the only way to get analytics on how many, and which, questions get closed via those routes is via a google search (!)
which makes it very hard to audit their usage
and it makes it very hard to convince outsiders that they're actually used more reasonably than they might look
(and, obviously, if it's via google search, then you lose the capability to add more selectors or ordering or what have you via SEDE)
 
I'm a little confused what the hubbup about net neutrality is btw
It's already lost
 
@E.P. it would be less work to just expand this tool: physics.stackexchange.com/tools/question-close-stats
 
republican congress republican president former telco exec FCC chair. No amount of public outrage can make a dent at this point
 
Consider that even if you had the extra vote info, presumably many if not most of those questions get deleted so you wouldn't be able to find them from SEDE PostHistory unless we started including history for deleted posts
 
The FCC is already calling pro neutrality comments spam
 
4:31 PM
@Shog9 wait, how do you get there?
 
@E.P. bottom set of links from /tools/
 
@Shog9 bejeesus, the 10k tools are the least discoverable set of tools on SE by a huge margin
 
we assume that you didn't get to 10K by not clicking everything
 
@Shog9 but in any case, does it have a listing of closed questions per reason?
 
@E.P. no. Not hard to get that, but we didn't think to build it in
 
4:33 PM
@Shog9 If it's that much easier than the SEDE route, then do ;-)
 
there's a feature-request for it somewhere
 
It's still not public, but if it were complete enough then that can be worked around
@Shog9 the reason I don't click on everything is that the 10k tools are just not that useful since the flag queue went away
Even this is of marginal utility beyond a quarterly checkup
if it had a listing of per-reason individual closures, then it would be a good place to police for undue closures
 
still a handy list of delete-voted posts
 
@Shog9 Not that useful, at least on physics, as there's just not that many deletions
Honestly, I think the only 10k privilege I use regularly, beyond seeing deleted posts, is auditing the review queue histories
 
4:59 PM
@Shog9 presumably you mean this one
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Q: Break "off topic" close reasons into specific reasons in Tools rather than grouping them in one bucket

CatijaThe 10K user tools are really great! Recently I was attempting to get an idea of which close reasons are used more than others... Currently only applies to off topic, most sites have between 3-6 off topic reasons plus the custom close reason. This means that when you sort close votes by close ...

 
1 hour to Town Hall
 
how technically challenging would that be?
I imagine that since you're already tallying the stats, you already have a list of questions in the engine, and it's just a matter of working out how to display it
is that correct, or am I making too-broad easiness assumptions without realizing it?
 
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Q: Custom close reason stats should link to the question(s)

CaiI'm reviewing recent custom close reasons in the 10k tools (/tools/question-close-stats) and there are some I'd like to take issue with... The problem is, the reasons are listed with no link to either the comments or the questions that they were used on. This means it's practically impossible fo...

closest I could find
 
soo ... what's the Town Hall topic?
 
@Shog9 but that's way too specific on the custom close reasons
 
5:08 PM
yup
pretty sure there's a broader one, but my search skills are failing me
 
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Q: Filter by close reason in the 10k Tools

juanSometimes I browse closed questions (older than 2 days) and vote to delete them, but I don't want to delete duplicates, because they serve their purpose as placeholders for searches. There's no way to see the close reason from the Close tab in the 10k tools, can I ask for a label to be added spe...

maybe?
but that's still just filtering on off-topic
Seriously, though, is this too challenging to implement?
I mean, the 10k tools already have a format for returning lists of questions
i.e. for protected questions
just do the same for each sub-close reason
 
user315433
 
Many users from M&TV on that nomination page
^ including SF&F
30 minutes to go
and I'm sleepy... (UTC+7)
 
5:41 PM
48 minutes. What are you looking at?
 
What exactly happens in the town hall
Small talk with the cm's?
 
apparently there's going to be a topic...
 
@Shog9 Is this Okay irt the net-neutrality discussion: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/298318/… I assumed those should all go under your question as answer.
 
user315433
5:58 PM
Blog post by aggieben (former SE dev): Against Net Neutrality
 
@rene I would prefer that
But, got my hands full preparing for chat right now
 
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