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Scripted, of course. Like all the best fight scenes.

user315433

Maybe community shouldn't automatically protect questions that were unprotected once... but of course, a feature like this would take 6-8 years to implement.

user202362

I plan to be a hobo, with a rental car, in a foreign country for a few days ... and spend 10% of time there in a tent ... but only 10% of the times though. Coz I do want my own room and shower and laundry facility so I don't look like a tramp all the times.

user202362

I mean, sometimes I think I must be ~~wild~~ feral at heart - while others fancy living in a mansion and driving luxury cars, my fantasy involves becoming a hobo and living in a tent amongst a forest (for a few days out of a month).

2:33 AM

@Alex Donno. Things change, people can not get things.

user315433

3:21 AM

user315433

Seriously?

user315433

> This question is completely unclear, incomplete, overly-broad, primarily opinion-based or is not about Ethereum, the decentralized application platform and smart contract enabled blockchain as described in the help center, and it is unlikely to be fixed via editing.

Wow

That's...... dumb

user315433

Must be a bug somewhere, but other sites have normal text there, like "not about math" or "not about data science", or whatever.

In their defense, they do describe Ethereum in the help center

user315433

3:27 AM

But is Ethereum likely to be fixed via editing?

Let's hope

Speaking of hobos, tonight I encountered a beer from Lord Hobo Brewing named "Boomsauce"

user202362

beer, not deer, almost got me excited ...

user315433

What's the number (30) next to @Aaron's helpful flags count?

3:59 AM

@Alex Pending maybe?

5:19 AM

No matter which tag you set @ShadowWizard can help :)

5:46 AM

I had a dream of Town Hall

Probably just my imagination...

Got a Mail from FFTF (Fight For The Future - An initiative fight for the protection of Internet)

6:36 AM

Hello all!!

Is retagging the question according to answer allowed? Given that it is answerer is adding that tags for enhancing the search result.

6:48 AM

@SS not really, unless the question is explicitly related to the added tag. Otherwise, it's not correct to add tag based on answers.

→ 15 messages moved to Chimney

@SS Link to the question please

@Inc. Thanks for the info. I have been searching for a question or guidelines "How does tagging work". But didn't find one. Is there any thing like that? We are facing problems on Hindism.SE regarding this.

@JamesENL There are some questions on Hinduism.SE regarding this. Shall I give them?

Why not? Any source of procrastination is welcome today

@SS I believe it's mentioned that tag is to categorize question, not answers. But I'm on mobile now, can't search conveniently

6:53 AM

@Alex I think he uses my script? Which has a major bug by the looks of it ... but meh ...

Q: Retagging questions with the answer?

This one for example and related meta discussion.

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When the answer to a question can be summarized in one word, I've found myself wanting to retag questions with that answer as a tag. Is this good practice? Example: If "lib-y" is a good answer to the question "What is a library to do X?", then retag the question with "lib-y". It makes it really ...

^ What do you guys think about this question? Is it allowed?

Wow that's an old question

Does that need to be revisited?

Is it still valid?

Probably

I'd say that if it adds value to the question, then go for it.

The thing here is it is being added by other users and the reason given here is enhancing the search result. For showing up in the search results, tag is added. It is not according to tag excerpt.

7:00 AM

Then again, if answers are not consistent then I'd be hesitant. For example, someone on StackOverflow asks how to do X in JavaScript. Answers pile on (with the jQuery answer being the most highly upvoted, because jQuery) with people using various libraries to achieve X.

So you've got 5 answers that solve X using vanilla JS, jQuery, Express, NodeJS and one odd person who writes in Haskell because they misread the question, in that case it would be inappropriate to tag the question anything other than Javascript because there are so many varied answers

It would be impossible to tag the question with javascript, node-js, express, jquery and haskell

Because those tags all mean something different.

What if the user who answered the question using Javascript added the tag in the question and said that it enhances the search results regarding javascript?

Then I'd decline their edit if I came across it in the suggested edits queue.

But that's just me

Other people may have other opinions

Other users are supporting that. I want to know is this type of tagging encouraged by SE.

You can read the regarding meta discussion.

11 mins ago, by S S

This one for example and related meta discussion.

I also think my analogy may be imperfect

delv-pls 20K greek meta.stackexchange.com/questions/298344/… /cc @Bart @sha @tra

7:11 AM

@SS I don't know in this case. Arguments can be made either way.

Q: SSRS report doesn't work on Chrome

9:31 AM

This off topic question stays open for more than an hour

-2

Our SSRS reports doesn't work on Chrome. It was working all fine until last 4 weeks but now it says loading sign but doesn't return anything. This issue is both on ssrs 2012 and ssrs 2016.Same reports work fine on IE.

discussion

→ 8 messages moved to Chimney

delv-pls 20K ssrs meta.stackexchange.com/questions/298359/… /cc @bart @sha @tra

delv-pls 20K dependency meta.stackexchange.com/questions/298362/… /cc @bart @sha @tra

10:48 AM

umm.... anyone knows why I get Twitter in Slovak language?! :/

@rene done

11:03 AM

@alexolut except bugs... :(

M.A.R.

@ShadowWizard expect bugs :(

@M.A.R. this one?

@Derpy no, this one

plz-delete collection view meta.stackexchange.com/questions/298364/… @rene @Bart

@SS sorry for the late response, just had a chance to read that meta post. I can't say much about the tagging culture on Hinduism (not a regular there), but I agree with Pandya's answer since that's also my viewpoint on tagging.

@ShadowWizard we need to remove bug from the list of necessary tags to make you happy! Maybe create FR for this?

11:17 AM

lol

That's also a way to fix all the bugs.... just remove the tag. :D

yep, no tagz, no bugz

Time to burninate bug?

another way is to make bug synonym for instance support.

@BhargavRao go ahead! :D

@alexolut not sure it will work... :(

Need a nice title

> Get these [bug]s outta here

11:27 AM

;)

make bug a synonym for status-bydesign

5

Then there'll be a new question, "Why are all my bug reports being marked [status-bydesign]?" ... which would also be marked [status-bydesign].

@BhargavRao recursive bug closure is always good

@BhargavRao I smell infinite loop

Yup :D

11:33 AM

@Derpy but @ShadowWizard has no gold for status-bydesign!

@alexolut it's not about me anymore :(

feeling neglected

use Ye Ol' Pinke technique. You only need some cardboard sing and something to write on it.

M.A.R.

Let me remind you two again that none of your image jokes work on me @Sha @Derp

Not because I'm awesome, but because they're blocked

Well, I am awesome but that has nothing to do with it

11:47 AM

@M.A.R. This line reminds me someone...

12:39 PM

That was quick the off topic Q is deleted within seconds. I think Oded is roaming in the home page.

Nope. OP self deleted.

Though, also correct. I am roaming the home page

Oded, are you a backend dev or a front end dev?

Yes

(just showing my developer credentials there)

Q: The tick mark in the Curious badge info is confusing

I believe some front end dev have seen this bug

5

In the Curious badge, there are 2 conditions. Ask a well received question on 5 separate days. Maintain a positive question record. Anyway even if I didn't have a positive question record, it shows a tick mark in the left side of the message Need positive question record. This is another o...

bug badges profile-page badge-progress

introduced in the recent profile page update

12:55 PM

Possibly. Though given it was a design change, I am surprised to not see the ... design tag there.

added

There are a lot of developers around - you can't assume that a bug you posted will just be picked up by one. We do have features to work on - and bugs have priorities.

how many developers works in remote location?

Chat bots posting questions from meta sites are super slow.

1:10 PM

If I'm not mistaken, there's around 2-3 minutes delay for all feed bots

Or maybe 5 minutes, but yes, it's slow

What if it is 10 minutes ?

what if?

user202362

what's the difference between a feed bot and a spam bot? :p

Most chat users are probably on the relevant sites anyway

But meta feeds bots are late by half an hour. So, I used the word super slow

1:33 PM

@SagarV most of us. I can try and count.

you too?

that's a great thing about SE. because of the different time zones, dev and CM support available for 24 hrs.

Yep. 28/39, if I counted correctly.

@Oded why Joel Spolsky don't have a diamond for Seasoned advice, Stackapps, Electrical Engineering, android, mathematics, PPCG, RPG, etc.

Did he rejected it or someone missed to assign a diamond for him?

Time zones are just propaganda pushed by spherical-Earthers... man.

@SagarV why should he have them? Adding a diamond to anyone who isn't a developer is a manual process. If he doesn't need it, he doesn't get it. You expect him to be active on 170 sites in moderator capacity?

1:43 PM

no I mean as the CEO of SE, a diamond will looks good.

and I believe he has the super power in everywhere even without a diamond

He really doesn't. And so what if he is CEO? That doesn't mean he should be able to interfere freely.

@Oded so, the site is perfectly community driven.

As much as possible. With some direction from the CMs.

Totally clear.

1:59 PM

@Oded It's a little tough to believe that Joel can't do whatever he wants. He probably even has admin access on SQL.

:P

He really doesn't. And will never get those.

Not that he would want them.

Q: Add project from Github to Dev Story yields “invalid github username”

a bug and people thought it is off topic and now it have 2 close votes

1

I am trying to add a project from my Github but I have an error: My username is valid. What I am doing wrong? Edit This issue is reproducible. Steps Go to developer story Choose open source Choose import from github in the bottom You can see this issue there.

bug developer-story

wtb "vote to keep open"

hope someone will do that in review queue

it is not available in review queue

why

@Oded a post with 2 close votes not available in review queue. is there any time limit before adding into queue?

@SagarV it's shown to me. Have you reviewed this post before?

2:04 PM

There are a few different limits. The queues are populated on a schedule, so that's one thing. The other is that most queues have a limit.

@Inc. oops yeah I casted a CV and retracted it.

@Oded I mean in meta SO, the review queue show 0 entries

I see a single item in the CV queue.

I thought it's review counter available to you

Previously it's 1, now after I've reviewed it, it's 0

0 for me... admittedly, I'm late to the show

@canon the sign of good management is to know where not to stick your nose.

Which is why I just spent two workday mornings dodging trucks at the flour mill...

2:09 PM

dodging...??

@JourneymanGeek you got a cute dog.

is that your new job scope?

wait is it a dog?

a dog with a cap

@SagarV On the internet no one knows you're a dog.

@SagarV a dog with a mod cap ;p

@Inc. My job description is "IT executive"

In practise, I mostly scare computers into working.

Its a horrible job, and full of all sorts of workplace.se worthy moments, but it beats unemployment ;)

@JourneymanGeek What is the dog's breed?

2:19 PM

@HenryWHHackv2.0 Mutt

;p

Oh

Half Mini Schnauzer, half something sneakier than that

@JourneymanGeek lol

(My boss's boss removed some gear he's not supposed to. and part of it was missing when I returned it)

I know how it feels. :(

2:30 PM

@Alex what is the issue?

ProgramFOX

@SagarV The spam is gone already :)

mm

There's still only 1 candidate on nomination phase of Anime & Manga Election, and it's Makoto.

@Oded is the ask question filter is same for every site site?

What is the "ask question filter"?

Q: Why i can't ask this question on stackoverflow?

2:40 PM

I mean the issue the person reported there that he can't ask question.

-2

Ok , i know it might be duplicate but i don't know idea why i cant ask this question i tried every thing but still tell me that this question body does not meet our standards just tell me whats wrong with it! not everyone are fluent in english. i have written a program with c# and microsoft a...

discussion questions

The quality filter? I think it is mostly the same.

some minor differences in thresholds between sites, but the actual logic is the same

not so for code-checks (length, ratio)

Ok. I thought it is different for SO and that's why I tried to redirect him to MSO.

Before directing someone to a child-meta, think if it can be appropriately answered on MSE. Just because the words "Stack Overflow" (or any other site name, for that matter) appear in the question doesn't make it off-topic on MSE.

The advice is the same everywhere: make your post not read like a first draft typed out one-handed on a phone while holding two conversations and also perhaps weaving a basket.

2:44 PM

How's that working for you, @Shog9?

I have many fine baskets

Any of them got phones woven into them?

@Shog9 is this you?

...now that's starting to sound like a fun idea. A split-willow phone case

user202362

2:48 PM

@canon ha! That guy's awesome

@Telkitty looks sad

awww

@Telkitty nice. (I think.)

user202362

I joined a bushman meetup once, all went well until they started discussing capture feral goat/birds etc to eat. I feed those animals, I can't kill them. I know how hypocritical it sounds because I eat meat, but I can't kill animals.

...don't you raise chickens?

2:54 PM

Telchicken

user202362

I have a lone depressed, dementia old chicken and I don't plan to kill her.

user202362

buried last one that died of illness

Coq au vin

Coq au vin (; French pronunciation: [kɔk o vɛ̃], "rooster/cock with wine") is a French dish of chicken braised with wine, lardons, mushrooms, and optionally garlic. A red Burgundy wine is typically used, though many regions of France make variants using local varietals, such as coq au vin jaune (Jura), coq au Riesling (Alsace), coq au pourpre or coq au violet (Beaujolais nouveau), coq au Champagne, etc. == History == Various legends trace coq au vin to ancient Gaul and Julius Caesar, but the recipe was not documented until the early 20th century; it is generally accepted that it existed ...

@Shog9 were any of them woven underwater?

heh

3:00 PM

I think it is posted buy someone who got some down votes and get his question closed

sergworks.wordpress.com/2012/09/26/why-stackoverflow-sucks

But it is in 2K12

user202362

My chicken would stand at the exact same spot for 2 hours and not moving else where. Not searching for food, not laying down - just stand there ... I thought it's Alzheimer, but my cousin reckon it might be depression.

user202362

I have 1 chicken, and a bunch of wildlife that steal the chicken feed

@SagarV Why do people say SE sucks? Oh well there will always be a critic.

@SagarV People struggle with understanding SO's goals as distinct from forums or yahoo answers. So, when they run afoul of moderation/curation, they recoil and lash back.

@Telkitty have you asked on Pets?

user202362

3:08 PM

@Inc. I searched on backyardchickens.com, but the consensus is that you should not have a lone chicken

@Telkitty possibly. similar to rabbit

user202362

they are social animals

A: Spring can you autowire inside an abstract class?

@Shog9 I think I violated a rule for testing a thing. Not sure whether such a rule exists or not

not sure

but there is a bug

/CC @Oded

meta.stackexchange.com/questions/298380/bug-in-flag-system

That is a self deleted post. So that no one will try to follow it

user315433

3:38 PM

0

This is sexist. SuperMan and SuperWoman should extend the abstract class Mutant.

lol

spam/rude/offensive seems... harsh.

user315433

I flagged NAA, it's a valid point.

I flagged spam

It's not spam.

It's a comment.

not spam. But this kind of answers should be treated with most effective flag

3:49 PM

No, it should be treated with the most appropriate flag.

bluefeet

@SagarV spam flags carry significant penalties - don't just put it on things that aren't spam

4

hmm. I didn't read the full thing. Just read the first 3 words and the pattern looked like a spam.

@bluefeet can you check the issue I reported previously mentioned with shog and cc'ed to oded

bluefeet

reading is probably helpful in deciding what flags to use

2

lol

4:06 PM

@bluefeet no not that. I mean this section

48 mins ago, by Sagar V

https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/298380/bug-in-flag-system

5-6 messages are there

Man, I've got 35 helpful flags to raise before the nomination phase.

I don't even know the rate-limit for flags.

Andy

5 seconds

A: On the recent changes to flagging and limits

is there a cap per day?

Andy

It grows, up to 100.

56

You start with 10 flags per day. Based on your reputation and flagging history, you can end up with as many as 100 per day. Currently, that means you get an extra flag per day for every 2000 reputation points or 10 net helpful flags (helpful-declined). Since you have an insane number of helpf...

user315433

The only way to find out how many flags you have for a day is to try raising one.

user315433

4:16 PM

Note that both post flags and comment flags count toward the total. The daily caps are equal but separate.

of course you'd know all this

botting maniacs

user315433

Writing bots beats answering questions.

*battling bots

user315433

Perhaps. If a user has a bot raising flags, and a mod has another handling them.

Andy

4:20 PM

Illenium X Said The Sky ft. Jeza - In Your Wake

4:50 PM

@ShadowWizard handled by some blue feet ...

user315433

5:13 PM

MathOverflow passed a tipping point: it was on the SE 2.0 platform for longer than it was a stand-along SE 1.0 site. (Created 2009-09-28, migrated 2013-06-25).

cazc_941

6:19 PM

►

Today's whatever

secondary

user315433

6:36 PM

So, in addition to NEO and iota proposals, there are ioncoin, Ripple, and Cryptoeconomics.

6:50 PM

@rene those feet are made for ~~running~~ deleting! :D

@Alex not good, NEO should be The One.

user315433

7:21 PM

> I don't think ElasticSearch has held back our search. I think lack of time spent on search has held back our search.

user315433

Perhaps, but... a bigger problem than finding posts about X is finding useful posts about X.

user315433

Google has all the information about user clicks, whether they quickly returned from that page, and what other pages link there.

user315433

Unlike ElasticSearch.

user315433

If ES doesn't magically get on par with Google in judging how useful posts are, what is the benefit of having Channels on the same platform as SO?

7:35 PM

@πάνταῥεῖ Kobi was offended by that! ;)

@ShadowWizard It's a pity. I'm offending people all the time :-P

@πάνταῥεῖ not me! (yet ;))

@Shadow The only offending thing I could say about you is that you're looking a bit henpecked from time to time ;-) ... Give your wife some warm greetings from me.

henpecked? offended

:D

> browbeaten, bullied, or intimidated by one's wife, girlfriend, etc.:

LOL

@Shadow play.google.com/store/apps/…

7:47 PM

@πάνταῥεῖ lol... want me to send it over to Kobi? ;)

@Shadow Do IRC that you said something like "My wife would probably slap me .." recently?

Yes send that over, it's lot of fun :-)

yesterday, by Shadow Wizard

If I'll tell my wife "listen honey, I have to go attend Town Hall in the Tavern" she'll just slap me. :P

@ShadowWizard That one, yup :-)

@πάνταῥεῖ he's scary when angry, so maybe I better not...... :D

Is there another town hall coming up?

7:51 PM

Like Red Ross.

@ShadowWizard That's probably why he needs a cuter icon.

@canon two weeks

@πάνταῥεῖ no icon in real life..... :D

@ShadowWizard I love my avatar seriously

@πάνταῥεῖ hehe.... where did you find it?

@canon subscribe here: chat.meta.stackexchange.com/rooms/info/89/…

7:57 PM

An FB friend (very cute but unfortunately already married girl) of mine posted that one day. Since then I've adopted it.
I believe I already told that story: I also had that pinned at my office door as well for years. The colleagues always thought twice before attending to me with their questions ;-)

@πάνταῥεῖ lol!

As for married.... well.... as you know it does not always mean it's a "no"..... :-O :D

It helped a lot not getting disturbed with my real work by having to answer unconsciously asked (dumb) questions.

@Andy that sounds nasty when out of context ;)

@rene ty

@ShadowWizard Sure I know that. As being divorced isn't a really better situation (at least if all parties in are still emotionally involved). That's why at least I started to study (and sometimes practice) Buddhism. I want to get rid of all that Karma.

8:06 PM

@rene no permalink for single event?

@πάνταῥεῖ Buddhism, eh? I just drink scotch neat in the dark and visit the shooting range.

@canon you divorced too?

@πάνταῥεῖ hehe, good luck with that! :)

Not yet! That's just how I cope in general.

@canon oh. But with what? What troubles you? :)

@canon Well, scotch is a good medium to attend meditation sometimes.

8:08 PM

You don't want to be my therapist. The last one stumbled out of a session with a shock of white hair.

@canon I'm a good listener.... ;)

@canon I'm my therapist all my self, it ever was like that.

@πάνταῥεῖ can you pay yourself? Or fire yourself?

@ShadowWizard I can start over at any point of time (insight)

@ShadowWizard doesn't look like it ...

8:12 PM

Man, I can't stand most contemporary music... but postmodern jukebox sure makes it more palatable.

@bluefeet citation needed

@πάνταῥεῖ very useful!

@rene feature request?

@ShadowWizard srsly?

@rene y ! ?

I have still this open bug report to be fixed first: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/217729/…

that one is way past 6 to 8 weeks

Q: Share buttons for chat events!

actually asking for permalink isn't bad idea, think of a room with many events... telling someone "go here, search by CTRL+F for the event name and register" isn't really good. :)

@rene bleh, just put valid dates. Problem solved. ;)

Also, feature request that even @Shog would like is that when a chat event is created by moderator, and is not recurring, it will also auto create a site event, i.e. put a notice in the sidebar. Though there might be such a feature request already.

oh my, @rene look what I found!

8

TildalWave recently had a great idea: Add share buttons to chat events! Here's a concept drawing of what I'd like it to be: Let's get rid of the export and delete links right after each title, and replace it with a chat-style popup-popper-upper: Which would popup a popup! Clicking share wo...

feature-request chat sharing chat-event

8:32 PM

@ShadowWizard cool

A: Automatically add chat event to the community bulletin (or make it easier)

and....

5

Chat events used to be added to the community bulletin 1 hour before the event started. This has been updated to (mostly) fulfill the feature request: All one-off (i.e., non-recurring) chat events are added to the community bulletin almost as soon as the event is created (they should appear wit...

but....

I didn't realize chat didn't create an event for me, @Shadow. It told me it did. Lesson here is: chat lies! (I went and created the event manually) — Shog9 ♦ yesterday

status-confused

8:53 PM

posts like this really confound me... who is telling people that SO has freelance work at no cost?

user315433

Weird bug report: Emphasis in comments is no longer italic by Raphael on cs.meta.stackexchange.com

user315433

Works for me

Confirm, also works for me

user315433

@TravisJ :Is this the sort of thing that can be done with HTML/CSS only?

user315433

I remember seeing it when entering phone numbers and such, but can't think of an example right now.

9:02 PM

Generally you would use a blur event and then insert the values using substring if the value was valid. I am not aware of how css could insert the hyphens.

user315433

But it happens as I type. After typing 123, a hyphen appears without the form losing focus.

That is probably an invasive version of onkeyup

user315433

(This is my interpretation of what the OP wants.)

or perhaps using oninput which gets everything

However, the issue is that it is rather trivial to do, whichever route you choose, and it really shouldn't take that long to implement at all. Moreover, that user seems to be working with SSN's... which to be honest is terrifying if they cannot even figure out how to format a hyphen in an input element.

@Alex What happens if you erase the hyphen?

user315433

Promising title: Dear Olin and his small gang by Archaeus on electronics.meta.stackexchange.com

user315433

9:07 PM

@TravisJ I don't have an example handy, it's just a memory of entering some stuff somewhere.

Is it rude to tell someone in comments they should be fired?

One thing that really amuses me, is that my personnel number at my new job is "404". Seems like I'm perfect for the web-dev teams :-D

be happy it isn't 418 ...

user315433

@rene it's non constructive at least

user315433

But yes, rude flag would work too.

9:15 PM

Ok, thx

@rene Probably depends on who's actually reading that?

@πάνταῥεῖ my user id in two of our systems: 42 and 1337

happenstance

@πάνταῥεῖ I am ...

@Alex meh .... flag was declined ... comment removed anyway. I reached my goal.