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user315433

12:52 AM

30 minutes per moderator per day would be more than sufficient if every moderator actually spent 30 minutes per day handling flags. In practice, there are very few days where every moderator is active, and very few days where every moderator who is active spends 30 minutes handling flags - so a subset end up spending a lot more than 30 minutes to pick up the slack. — Shog9 ♦ 1 hour ago

user315433

Slack Overflow

user315433

1:15 AM

Is this the time that Andy gets elected? Hm. I wonder how many openings are there.

user315433

> someone leaves a comment like "What did you try so far?" And that comment is flagged as unconstructive a number of times. How do you act? -- meta.stackoverflow.com/a/351988

user315433

Correct answer: ask Shog to add "what did you try" to the list that already contains "what have you tried".

user202362

If the site ever needs to elect a 1337 tr011, I will put myself on the line for it ...

Shog9

what hath thou attempted?

user202362

the first step is 'showing intention' ... a bit like what a seagull do when sneaking up to your food bowl ...

user202362

1:29 AM

user315433

The currently top-voted question (by rene, about comment flags) would be obsolete if Drop "not constructive", combine "noisy", reword "rude" and "other" comment flags was implemented. But we know how that goes.

user315433

I think simply dropping "not constructive" may be enough simplification...

bjb568

2:21 AM

Wooo, me am on LSD.

The one in Chicago, that is.

Lake Michigan is really nice.

user202362

are you visiting a university there?

user315433

@bjb568 You should visit again in winter to make sure you still like it then.

bjb568

UChicago and Northwestern.

@Alex I’m a snow-friendly kat.

user315433

And cold/wind friendly...

bjb568

I might wear a jacket.

user315433

2:26 AM

user202362

one of my cousins spent a few years in a university there, she liked it

bjb568

Right now it seems Johns Hopkins, Northwestern, and Caltech are the prettiest.

John Militer

@bjb568 I think the Ragdoll and Siberian breeds are also very pretty.

I mean breeds of meowers.

user202362

2:45 AM

I am reading this world university ranking, I could not but noticing that US site kept on rank the universities in the US above everyone else. I almost cracked laughing at the the list ... seriously? This reminds me of trump ...

user202362

If I didn't live in so many countries and if I didn't study in a US uni, I probably wouldn't be entitled to say anything ...

user202362

Experience gives you the power to identify sh!t when you see one ...

John Militer

I mean... were the universities in the US top-ranked according to the site actually top-ranked? If they weren't...

You get me...

user310756

hi @Telkitty

user310756

2:59 AM

that's what my cat thinks of a cat sitting in the snow :)

John Militer

!!/blame

SmokeDetector

@JohnMiliter It's John Militer's fault.

John Militer

Who me??

user310756

lol

JamesENL

Lol

user202362

3:01 AM

@YvetteColomb ❤️ cute 🐱

user310756

ikr

user310756

when are we going to meet? @Telkitty

user310756

I can come to H

user310756

does anyone here know about SEO and our site tags? meta.stackexchange.com/questions/298223/…

bjb568

@Telkitty The rank is based on research metrics, so I dunno, maybe the US just does more research?

Shog9

3:04 AM

@YvetteColomb if memory serves, titles make a much bigger difference than tags for search engine results. Hence the inclusion of the most popular tag in the title of the page.

I'd have to dig to find a reference there though, and it might be a bit archaic

user310756

also. @Shog9 there's this one meta.stackexchange.com/questions/207192/…

Shog9

...you might ask on Webmasters...

user310756

@Shog9 yeh that makes sense when I'm searching google with the SO results

Shog9

@YvetteColomb I highly doubt that they do.

user310756

@Shog9 which is not good

Shog9

3:06 AM

That is not what synonyms are for

user310756

yes I know

user310756

but on pets we have kitten == cat

user202362

@YvetteColomb Whenever you come to H in that case? :p I can move things around to suit you. Let me know earlier though because I do have a few things to fix and may not be around everyday these two weeks.

user310756

it's ok for things that truly are synonyms

Shog9

Synonyms are intended for terms that actually mean the same thing - a modern search engine will automatically include results for both with no work on our part.

user310756

3:08 AM

@Telkitty sure I'll be there on 30 mins :P but I go there all the time. As I mentioned my son lives there and I'm not far from there. We've moved my horses to a really nice place, that is more relaxed. You'll have to come there some time

user310756

@Shog9 yep I understand that. Which is why I'm bringing these issues up

user310756

I'm posting it on meta so we have some links to link into the satellite sites - an authoritative link so to speak

Shog9

I'm serious about webmasters

user310756

yes I will go there when I get back

Shog9

Good

user310756

3:10 AM

I think it's an important issue for Stack Exchange

user310756

as people are well intentioned, but we also need SEO

user310756

particularly when building small sites

user310756

so really tags have two purposes, one SEO - but that's only one tag - the most popular tag - the other is searching the site on the site

user202362

@bjb568 research metrics .. you mean the paper published ... in English?

user310756

@Shog9 we should only be editing the most popular tag out of titles if the title search is greater than the tag search

Shog9

3:24 AM

@YvetteColomb Ideally, you avoid tags that can apply to any question. And then write very specific titles.

If, for example, the title is "Should I be concerned that one kitten bits another when it doesn't want to play?" then you hardly need tags as far as search is concerned.

OTOH, if the title is "are they fighting or playing?" then you're probably doomed.

user310756

so what about tag synonyms then? would cat and kitten be suitable synonyms? @Shog9

user202362

3:43 AM

what about unidonkey?

user202362

Inc.

5:57 AM

I haven't read the recent chat since I posted my last message, but

del-plz chemistry in MSE meta.stackexchange.com/q/298129/241919

rene

see above request for delete ^ /cc @sha @bart @ tra

Bart

7:39 AM

Nuked @rene

Inc.

8:32 AM

12 hours have passed and no activity on Anime.SE Election (save 5 upvotes on the announcement post). Granted there's only 1 slot.

Mithrandir

9:09 AM

@Bart why would you nuke @rene? I don't think they'd appreciate that much...

:P

rene

9:38 AM

@Mithrandir don't worry, I'm like Kenny...

Derpy

@Mithrandir Bad move :P Now you can receive pony pictures here too.

user202362

12:54 PM

if you keep on banning all the trouble makers, you will eventually end up with peace because you will end up with all the obedient people who don't know what to say ...

Oded

I don't know what to say to that

bjb568

@Telkitty I don’t think it’s just in English.

user315433

1:40 PM

Still needs flags: woodworking.stackexchange.com/a/6211

Nzall

Can questions be migrated from other metas to this meta?

more accurately: the following question was discussed in the SF/F chatroom, and people considered it would be something worth asking on the general meta:

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Q: How should we handle questions that have reference to assault, suicide and similar stress-inducing topics?

The person who asked HP Fan-fic where an Imperiused Dudley jumps off a building also included a link to Lifeline, the Australian nonprofit that provides support to people who are affected or have been affected by rape, assault, suicide and similar events that may or may not cause extreme distress...

discussion

and now we're figuring out if we can migrate it to the general meta

Sagar V

@Alex what type of flag you expect?

M.A.R.

1:55 PM

@SagarV none, because the post is deleted now

Sagar V

Ok then

Inc.

@Nzall if you want, then you can flag with "other: in need of moderator intervention" and mention the reason

Sagar V

The link took me to the question and I wonder why he want us to flag a Q with 4 upvotes

Nzall

@Inc. I'm already discussing it in SF/F, and there are some mods in there, so I don't know if a separate flag for that is needed

Or do you need a flag to move a question?

Inc.

@Nzall no, mods can migrate it themselves

jadarnel27

2:05 PM

An SF/F mod can migrate a question from meta.SFF to meta.SE?

I didn't know that. Or I forgot it.

I have really been out of the MSE loop for a long time.

Inc.

From this comment

Can you explain why you think this should be possible by people other than mods? — Catija May 12 '16 at 5:37

Derpy

dupe.

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Q: What's the official SE response to serious mentions of suicide or self-harm in posts?

Last night on Mi Yodeya, someone posted a question that was basically a suicide note, along with the question of what Judaism thought about suicide. The question was put on hold very quickly, and several supportive comments were posted ("You've listed Los Angeles as your location. A local program...

discussion stackexchange users policy

Inc.

I thought they can

jadarnel27

@Inc. Yeah, I think you're right. I think mods on the receiving site have to "accept" it in some way, though. Or the migration fails.

Maybe.

Inc.

@Derpy actually I'm not sure about this one because the question on SF/F itself doesn't really refer to self-harm. Instead, it has a precaution to readers if they might be disturbed by the post.

Derpy

2:11 PM

@Inc. sorry, misinterpreted the original question. Disregard my message

the cat is here.

Nzall

here's the thing: I think such a disclaimer is something worth having, given that many news outlets on TV and newspapers include such a disclaimer when reporting on suicide. I just think the implementation of the OP leaves to be desired, considering they provide a link that is only useful to Australians

I mean, only 1/300 of all people live in Australia, so a link that is only relevant to them on an international site is a drop in the ocean

Journeyman Geek

@Nzall two issues really - it assumes most people can't deal with it, and some folk will take it too far.

Inc.

@Nzall in that case, you can use the answer from Derpy's link above.

Journeyman Geek

and IMO, its something that specific sites need to find themselves the best way to handle.

I mean, its certainly not going to be an issue on most of the techie sites

Inc.

But this is really the first time I've seen a question with such disclaimer/notice/precaution.

Nzall

2:21 PM

@JourneymanGeek Yeah, realistically, it's most likely to be an issue on the entertainment sites

Sagar V

@JourneymanGeek how to prevent touchpad from automated tasks?

Journeyman Geek

@SagarV errrr what?

@Nzall yup.

Nzall

@Inc. same here, which is why I wanted to establish how to handle these

Sagar V

It sometimes move automatically, do click and right click

automatically drag some windows, sometimes close some windows

Journeyman Geek

and I don't really like the idea of somewhat heavy handed trigger warnings personally

Inc.

2:22 PM

Anime & Manga also has questions related to someone's suicide... and heck, there's Death Note over there. But I've never seen such disclaimer.

Sagar V

@Oded can we have the TLD .se for sites? feature-request

Nzall

@JourneymanGeek it shouldn't be automated obviously, but I feel like we should at least have something that's roughly the same for every question

Journeyman Geek

I'm disagreeing there

Its a moderation issue to an extent

and one that certainly needs to be handled with a certain degree of care.

Sagar V

@JourneymanGeek did you see my follow up message?

what is the issue there

Oded

@SagarV you want us to take over Sweden?

Journeyman Geek

2:24 PM

@SagarV I think my usual response for these things is kinda true. I'm not on chat to do tech support for random strangers ;)

try superuser.com or something

Andy

@Oded That's on the company's goals right? Probably a few years out though.

Sagar V

@JourneymanGeek Ok. will try there. I doubt whether it is completely on topic there. Better I could ask it in the meta

Oded

@Andy don't recall ever seeing "World Domination" or "Start small with Europe" as a goal in any company presentation. Then again, I might not be getting invites to those meetings.

Sagar V

@Oded didn't consider sweden . It perfectly matches for StackExchange

Journeyman Geek

....

Yeah, so it happens sweden has a .se tld. WHO WOULD HAVE THUNK?

Sagar V

2:29 PM

travel.se is registered

M.A.R.

@JourneymanGeek *thinked you stupid dog

Inc.

@Oded looks like Risk.SE :)

Journeyman Geek

thunk.

Sagar V

android.se is registered

M.A.R.

Thinked.

Journeyman Geek

2:30 PM

hits @M.A.R. over the head with a rolled steel newspaper

THUNK!

Sagar V

meta.se is registered

status-declined

M.A.R.

THINKED *Killing @Journeyman fashionably *

Journeyman Geek

@SagarV status-not-bloody-likely

user315433

3:17 PM

> I get depressed by all these suggestions of “BurntChicken.com”, “LostYarmulke.com”, and “FallenArches.com” (for former owners of McDonald’s franchises, of course).

user315433

From Can we shorten Stack Exchange URLs by using .se domains?

cazc_941

4:30 PM

Today's Listening

soundcloud.com/psyfibass/psy-fi-new-tricks

Huh. My soundcloud onebox extension isn't working now

6

A: Chat oneboxing support for Soundcloud?

I've made a userscript to do this. The result? Exactly as you imagined :) It's based largely off my Github oneboxer, just modified to work for SoundCloud. It uses the SoundCloud API to get any relevant information and displays it in a pretty manner. This will only look good if the linked...

Oh, maybe it just doesn't work on meta chat

Anonymous

4:55 PM

meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/352065/…

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user315433

I always wanted to migrate to a platform that will eventually charge an undetermined amount, to be disclosed only after I've settled on it.

user315433

> Thanks for the post,i am that error

user315433

Yes you are...

Inc.

So this is what "Teams" was supposed to be? — Tiny Giant 2 mins ago

My thought exactly

user315433

Well, the word is there in the title of the announcement.

Feeds

5:06 PM

Introducing Channels: Private Q&A for Your Team

Kristina Lustig on July 11, 2017

On Stack Overflow, a question gets asked once, answered, and then becomes a central point of knowledge for thousands of others who read it on our site. But what about developers who don’t have the luxury of being public about their work?

Today, we’re announcing Stack Overflow Channels for teams that need a dedicated, private space to share knowledge. We’re working hard on an early beta, and we want your active involvement in the product as we build it. If you’re interested in early access and product updates, sign up here! …

Inc.

^ dupe

user315433

> Allow users to subscribe to all activity in a question, including comments to posts not by them (by starring?) meta.stackoverflow.com/a/352067

user315433

Wouldn't that be nice, regardless of Channels.

user315433

When someone comments "this is already answered <over there>" on a question you favorited, hoping for an answer...

rene

5:24 PM

→ 4 messages moved to Chimney

Magisch

5:39 PM

@JeremyBanks This channels thing would be perfect for charcoal

for charcoal to have one, I mean

Anonymous

@Magisch Y'all should fill out the form. :)

Magisch

@JeremyBanks Artofcode is already on it

Anonymous

Nice

Magisch

Here's hoping we get into the beta

If you want to get technical you could see charcoal as a nonprofit startup

user315433

A disruptive one?

M.A.R.

6:03 PM

@Alex it's only disruptive when I'm around

user315433

How does SO Enterprise handle image uploads, do they still go to stack.imgur?

user315433

Sure, nobody knows the URL but that would not be really private.

Anonymous

@Alex They do not go to Imgur.

user315433

7:02 PM

And the reason for featuring both the blog post and the meta post on the same subject is...

rene

@Alex maximize conversion/click rate. Wasn't that covered in the SEO video?

user315433

~52 minutes until the results of Apple election

rene

delv-pls 20K (needs 1 more) visa meta.stackexchange.com/questions/298250/visa-h4-ead-renewal /cc @Bart @sha @tra

Shadow Wizard

7:32 PM

@rene deleted by no other than our famous blue feet!

Travis J

^

#quickfeet

Shadow Wizard

@Alex did you finally find your final avatar? You didn't change it for like three names now.

Or are you just slacking off?

Travis J

I was slacking off

Went to Maui for two weeks :P

Shadow Wizard

No WiFi there? @Trav

user315433

Now that you brought it up, I'll have to change the picture too next time... :(

Travis J

7:34 PM

Only in the room, which we were mostly not in

Shadow Wizard

@Alex hehe, not too late now too. ;)

Travis J

@Alex So is that picture not you?

Shadow Wizard

@TravisJ oh my. Well, I visited the Tavern even during holidays. And army services.

@TravisJ it's a tribute to @Inc.

Travis J

That's dedication. We were in a group of 6 so it was pretty hectic, also, the WiFi was not secured and I was concerned with using my logins on it.

Shadow Wizard

May 7 at 20:51, by Shadow Wizard

Whoa, that's a new one... @Gerry changing avatar to match @Elephant!

Travis J

7:38 PM

@ShadowWizard Ah, imdb.com/name/nm1370494, gotcha :) Thanks for the context

Shadow Wizard

Anyway @Alex is probably double the age of the dude in his avatar. Give or take few years. And I assume he's not the type to ever put his real picture there. ;)

Travis J

lol, it is also a link right in his profile I see, in my defense it wasn't there before!

user315433

Is there a way to tell Google I want results from meta.stackexchange.com but not from any site.meta.stackexchange.com ?

Travis J

perhaps if you preface it with http:// ?

Shadow Wizard

bet he already tried

afaik Google search accepts only domains, not sub domains

Anonymous

7:40 PM

site:meta.stackexchange.com -site:*.meta.stackexchange.com tex

Travis J

i take it back, it dun work :(

math.meta snuck in

user315433

@TravisJ That's Alex Frost on the picture, not Eric.

Travis J

oh, google image search lied to me

user315433

imdb.com/name/nm1372713/?ref_=nv_sr_1

Shadow Wizard

@TravisJ not really, @Alex cropped the original picture

@JeremyBanks hidden feature of Google, nice!

Anonymous

7:46 PM

I guessed it might work. :)

Shadow Wizard

Your guesses are great! Keep guessing! :D

user315433

I found a hidden feature of SE. :)

Shadow Wizard

BTW @Alex iif you already bothered to crop, why didn't you rotate the pic as well so it won't look weird? ;)

user315433

Normally, when you click the "unanswered" tab on superuser.com/questions, you get to superuser.com/questions?sort=unanswered and there is no way to sort those.

rene

@ShadowWizard points for bluefeet then ...

user315433

7:49 PM

But you can manually create the URL superuser.com/questions?tab=unanswered&sort=newest that will sort them, say, by newest. (And it's still /questions material, so questions under -3 are not dropped unlike at superuser.com/unanswered )

Shadow Wizard

@rene surely @blue will be thrilled!

user315433

@ShadowWizard Because "look weird" was the goal?

Shadow Wizard

@Alex that's just the newest tab

Anonymous

@Alex I'm not sure if that's what happening. Jump to like page 20 and I see a few answered questions there.

Shadow Wizard

the "sort" parameter somehow overrides the "tab" parameter

@Alex oh. Now I know. :D

user315433

7:54 PM

@JeremyBanks :( I was wrong.... But honestly, "unanswered" is not really a "sort" method.

Shadow Wizard

@Alex well, this is some kind of hidden bug, if anything. :)

user315433

> 6,591 voters were eligible, 1,784 visited the site during the election, 860 visited the election page, and 432 voted

user315433

27% of eligible voters visited Ask Different within 10 days.

canon

8:19 PM

Love this Channels™ thing. May try to push my team into it.

user315433

2017 Community Moderator Election Results -- no mention of retirements, so the site goes from 4 mods to 7.

Travis J

9:03 PM

@ShadowWizard The whole "needs answer" tool unfortunately just looks at recent activity of questions with no answers. Why is that unfortunate you ask? Often, the recent activity is an answer.

user315433

11:38 PM

> Hey remember that time roblox tried to Invade stackoverflow and get a special snowflake roblox.stackexchange site? -- Diana at 3:50 PM - 11 Jul 2017

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