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user202362

2:18 AM

@Alex inclination ... doesn't sound very convincing ...

John Militer

Looks like there are some hidden meta rooms on the regular chat.se server.

user202362

2:51 AM

I get what smart phone is now - smart phone is just a phone with a linux/unix OS offshoot

Disney

6:13 AM

@Telkitty that means, Windows Phone is...

rene

6:28 AM

→ 15 messages moved to Chimney

user202362

6:55 AM

@Inc. obviously taking over the market like a fierce forest fire ...

The Dark Side

7:22 AM

16

Q: Let's do regular Meta SE Town Hall Chats (next event: July 12, 2017)

Back in 2016, Ana conducted a couple of experimental "town-hall" chat sessions. They worked pretty well, so we all agreed to keep doing them... ...And then, uh, didn't. That's a real shame. So, let's revive the idea, with a bit more commitment: we're gonna do a half-hour session every two week...

I feel tempted to post an answer:

"Good idea. Let's do it."

:: innocent faced :: Well, Shog asked a question ...

Is it courteous not to answer the question?

:: Sigh ::

Shadow Wizard

7:52 AM

:(

@JohnMiliter not hidden. Frozen or deleted. We got hundreds of those here too.

Only private rooms are really hidden.

JamesENL

@ShadowWizard always a risk

Shadow Wizard

@JamesENL hehe, where did you pop out from? :P

JamesENL

I'm always here

Shadow Wizard

whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat!!!

hey!

stapit!

JamesENL

Loooool

Shadow Wizard

8:05 AM

finally...

@JamesENL but you're so... silent. ;)

No exciting stories? @James

JamesENL

Just doing another musical

So not much time for chats

Shadow Wizard

@JamesENL awesome! Details?

JamesENL

The Secret Garden

Shadow Wizard

8:28 AM

@JamesENL this?

You'll be playing with the same actors as in the previous show?

> Cast list:
Performed by 4 adult actors and 20 children

no names... :(

JamesENL

@ShadowWizard That musical, but in Perth in a small theatre

Shadow Wizard

@JamesENL nice! So, this? stagewhispers.com.au/community-theatre/…

JamesENL

That's us

Shadow Wizard

:)

For some reason I thought you're from the UK, @James. :/

self slap

whoa

where's 4 out of 5? @Smokey

@JNat a very busy cross network spammer: stackexchange.com/users/6123583/thomas?tab=activity

rene

8:55 AM

@ShadowWizard maybe nuked before the 5 minute grace period

Shadow Wizard

@rene that doesn't stop smokey from posting manually reported answers

Many times it posts those even though already deleted, including one of the above four.

Maybe five is just too much....

oh wait.... there is "2 out of 5" and "1/2/3 out of 3". So 4 are missing.

Weird.

rene

Maybe it was throttled ...

Only the Charcoal-HQ team can tell ...

Inc.

9:11 AM

I probably won't share any animation-related news here, but this is...

Disney's Cars 3 Live-Action Mini-Series Reimagines Race Cars as Runners

o_o

Derpy

9:56 AM

@Inc. ..... pro tip: when you are planning a new live-action spin-off you should ask yourself if your characters will work in a live action.

What's next? A live action Winnie Poo movie?

Inc.

Nah, Finding Nemo

Derpy

(pro tip two: some series don't work very well when mixed with a collectible cards / monster trainer style anime)

@Inc. here you are ^

Sagar V

11:57 AM

@Oded feature-request flag option Very low quality on accepted answers.

10

A: How do I start/stop IISExpress Server ?

I faced the same issue, and found out that there was 'Web Deployment Agent Service' running on the port 80. Use this article to track down which process uses it, and turn it off: https://sites.google.com/site/anashkb/port-80-in-use

Oded

It is there, if the score is negative.

Sagar V

But this is a link only answer with score 10

Shadow Wizard

@SagarV since we can't delete such answers anyway, just use the custom flag and explain why it should be deleted, though it's really really extreme. Just downvote and move on.

Sagar V

someone deleted the answer now.

Shadow Wizard

@SagarV converted to comment by @Bhargav

Sagar V

12:04 PM

@ShadowWizard Why there is no -2 for OP (unaccepted answer)?

Shadow Wizard

Alex Inc. ????

@SagarV because it's still accepted.

Only OP can change that.

oh wait

Sagar V

but it is not actually exists right?

Shadow Wizard

No, because the post is 90 days+ old, with 3+ score, so all reputation is preserved.

Not sure what will happen if undeleted, i.e. if answer will still be accepted or not.

@BhargavRao can test it. :)

Sagar V

@ShadowWizard let's ask for clarification to @Oded

Shadow Wizard

@SagarV no need for The Oded (yet :))

Bhargav Rao

12:09 PM

@ShadowWizard Undeleted

Tell me when I need to delete it

Oded

User was probably marked for recalc. Those are on a schedule.

Shadow Wizard

@BhargavRao now :)

Yes, still accepted.

Deleting accepted answer does not unaccept it.

@Oded but answer is still accepted...

Sagar V

Yes But we got a stmt from oded. User will be marked for a recalc.

Bhargav Rao

Yes, that's done to prevent mods from unaccepting posts.

Shadow Wizard

@BhargavRao smart :)

Oded

12:11 PM

True. We don't change the DB status (in case it gets undeleted). Which is also why you might sometimes find posts with multiple accepted answers... There's a cleanup job for those, I believe.

Shadow Wizard

Though green tick not showing while it's deleted.

@Oded but when OP accepts other answer, isn't it automatically unaccepts the deleted answer?

@SagarV Oded was wrong before... though less than me.... ;)

Oded

Probably. Race conditions can happen, on a request one query can fail when the other doesn't.

Shadow Wizard

@Oded so how is DAG doing? Starting to do nice things? ;)

Silent as a דג.... :D

Journeyman Geek

I have no idea what that means but it seems almost typographic.

Sagar V

Is it hebrew?

Oded

12:17 PM

@ShadowWizard nothing fishy, I promise.

@SagarV yep

Sagar V

Now I know how you know hebrew :-)

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek here you go

@SagarV how?

Sagar V

@ShadowWizard this way

you got a country mate @sha

jadarnel27

@ShadowWizard Silent as a fish? That's interesting! There's a similar idiom in the US "quiet as a mouse."

Shadow Wizard

@SagarV yup, got SE dev who still lives in Israel. Maybe two. :)

@jadarnel27 but mouse isn't quiet, he squeaks.

Sagar V

12:25 PM

@ShadowWizard who still lives in Israel who?

jadarnel27

@ShadowWizard Well I never said the idiom made sense =P

Shadow Wizard

@jadarnel27 hehe, Google translates this to "Quiet as a fish", not silent. What's the difference anyway??

@SagarV only one, I'm afraid. :/

Yaakov Ellis, Israel

471 1 5 16

android-app bug discussion feature-request status-completed support top-bar

The other one on my mind was born in Israel, but later moved, USA this time.

Arie Litovsky ♦, USA

6.9k 9 37

ios-app status-completed bug feature-request ipad support comments

Sagar V

@ShadowWizard He is not a mod in mse

Journeyman Geek

Not all staff have their mod diamonds everywhere

they could have them but its not always set

Sagar V

I ~~think~~ thought they will have it in MSE till I saw his profile

Shadow Wizard

12:34 PM

@SagarV so? He's still SE developer/employee, he simply doesn't need MSE diamond because he's not directly fixing bugs or doing feature requests.

Plus, he can probably do everything even without a diamond. :)

Sagar V

Shadow Wizard

@SagarV now convert that to rep

Sagar V

@ShadowWizard for that I need to know how much carat a MSE diamond weigh

Shadow Wizard

@SagarV ∞

Oded

divide-by-zero-exception

Sagar V

12:47 PM

$4800 to INR = 309522
$6400 to INR = 412750

The rep is in between 309522 and 412750

@Oded bypassed the error by converting ∞ to 6-8

status-completed

Shadow Wizard

lol

user202362

there is no exception, n/0 = ∞ (unless n=0)

user202362

think abstract

Sagar V

@Telkitty what? n/0 is an exception in most of the prog. language which I know

Journeyman Geek

yup

user202362

12:53 PM

that's because you have not #define it to ∞

Shadow Wizard

@SagarV not in JS: jsfiddle.net/xy66rtw1

user202362

don't be lazy, you need to foolproof your program like you guard your meat against neighbourhood magpies

Journeyman Geek

@SagarV its as light as a feather made of neutronium, and as heavy as a helium hammer

Sagar V

@ShadowWizard IMPOV prog and scripting are different things geeksforgeeks.org/…

Shadow Wizard

1:16 PM

@SagarV tell that to the millions of JS programmers out there

Sagar V

Did you read the entire content?

O_O

Lol??/???

I read the first part only

Journeyman Geek

@SagarV ..... you read? ;p

Sagar V

never

I never read such big articles

Journeyman Geek

then you'd look smarter if you didn't link them ;p

Sagar V

There may be people like @sha who loves theory too

Journeyman Geek

1:26 PM

;p

Shadow Wizard

I love theory, in theory.

Journeyman Geek

I practically love practical stuff

Well assuming I have the resources I need

work needs a dozen or so NICs soon ._.

Shadow Wizard

How many miles/km you walked today? @Journeyman

How many miles/km you walked today? @Sagar

Journeyman Geek

I forgot my watch ... phone says 11k steps and 5.9km

Shadow Wizard

Wow. On some sites it's REALLY easy to have HNQ. One single upvote, one single answer with one upvote: sitecore.stackexchange.com/questions/6535/…

@JourneymanGeek what's the difference between watch and phone?

Journeyman Geek

1:35 PM

@ShadowWizard they count differently

Shadow Wizard

Also, since waking up? Or whole week?

Journeyman Geek

lol

per day

Shadow Wizard

;)

You reset it manually?

Journeyman Geek

naw, automatically

its almost like one of those fitness bands

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek how? People sometimes walk at night, all night.

Journeyman Geek

1:36 PM

@ShadowWizard I think it just resets at midnight

Shadow Wizard

I mean, how it knows when to reset?

oh lol

@JourneymanGeek which is more accurate?

Journeyman Geek

no idea, the phone is more consistant

the watch was apparently overreporting steps until the latest update - now it counts less than the phone.

Shadow Wizard

hmm.... so why did you also buy a smart watch? Isn't it waste of money?

Journeyman Geek

kickstarter + its easier for telling the time and seeing notifications.

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek watch to tell the time?!?! It's so 1990.

Journeyman Geek

1:38 PM

so relatively not too expensive

Shadow Wizard

Smart watches in general are one big failure, no? Let me see...

Journeyman Geek

eh. I like this thing a little

Shadow Wizard

hmm... slashgear.com/…

Journeyman Geek

kickstarter.com/projects/mobvoi/… and its a pretty nice device for what I paid, other than MKI having a easily cracked glass

and I managed to talk support into repacing it

Shadow Wizard

Good for you :)

Journeyman Geek

1:40 PM

there's no killer app

Shadow Wizard

SE app works there?

rofl

Journeyman Geek

I get notifications

Shadow Wizard

whaaat?

cowers in a corner

Journeyman Geek

that's really most of the utility of this thing

if anyone asks me if they should buy one, I'd go "naw"

but it works enough for me not to feel like I wasted what I paid for it ;p

Shadow Wizard

I'm waiting for this:

in Shadow's Den, Apr 3 at 13:19, by Shadow Wizard

IMO smartphones will vanish in 10-20 years, replaced by a permanent chip inside the body.

Might be even less than 10 years actually.

I mean, how much further can they advance? Not much. iPhone 100? Samsung S200?

Journeyman Geek

1:42 PM

lol

tbh, I'm old fashioned and still prefer a proper PC

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek over smartphone?

Journeyman Geek

yup

I actually usually have a laptop in my bag

Andy

@JourneymanGeek <3 my desktop

Journeyman Geek

lol

dual 27 inch UHD.... ;p

but I can't use one on a bus/train/work

Andy

Only dual 24s here. I had 3 of them, but one died and I haven't replaced it yet.

Journeyman Geek

1:45 PM

waiting on my 7 inch 480p third screen ;p

Shadow Wizard

@Andy you performed proper burial ceremony?

Andy

@ShadowWizard Cursing at the manufacturer?

Yes

user202362

@JourneymanGeek the power of nerds is reflected in the amount of screens he possesses :p

Andy

with nerd-multipliers for how many terminal windows are open across all the screens

Journeyman Geek

lol

I have two opened up on my 11 incher right now

Shadow Wizard

1:48 PM

@Andy and SE chat rooms

Journeyman Geek

27 inch will happily hold 4

Shadow Wizard

@Andy oh, so it wasn't your fault?

@JourneymanGeek I mean browser tabs, you can have hundreds of those ;)

Ask @M.A.R.

Journeyman Geek

lol

active ones ;p

Andy

@ShadowWizard Nope. I didn't do anything to that one that I didn't do to the other two. That one just stopped working.

Shadow Wizard

I prefer this 11 incher:

Journeyman Geek

1:51 PM

(I run a 1st gen razer blade stealth as my current portable rig)

Shadow Wizard

@Andy no warranty? Lab?

Andy

Out of warranty. It was 4 years old.

Shadow Wizard

oh, so it just died of old age.

As technology advances, life span of computers is decreasing.

Andy

looks at other monitors in the room "Old" age, I guess. The rest of these are at least 5 and working just fine

Shadow Wizard

My first computer lasted over 10 years, fully active and operational.

@Andy wait.... monitor or laptop?

Andy

1:54 PM

Sadly, I probably won't replace this monitor, because it annoys me when the monitors don't match.

Shadow Wizard

scrolling up

Andy

Monitor

Shadow Wizard

oh lol

Well, to this day most monitors aren't so complex, so yeah, they do have the usual 6-8 years life span.

Average computer doesn't last more than 2 years though...

@Andy so replace them all... give the other two to charity. Or friends. Or me. :D

Andy

Heh

Nice try ;)

Shadow Wizard

:D

user202362

2:03 PM

@ShadowWizard There wasn't even a salad sticking out to make it a foot long? Bummer ...

Sagar V

@ShadowWizard how will you watch **** then? Lol!!!

@JourneymanGeek have an 2 issues here

Shadow Wizard

@Telkitty how can a salad stick out? It's made of chopped vegetables... :/ (i.e. it will just fall out of the roll)

user202362

Shadow Wizard

@Telkitty oh, lol

Sagar V

@ShadowWizard I think only 2 which I saw in the morning

in MSE

Shadow Wizard

2:07 PM

@SagarV I don't use my phone to do this... :D

Sagar V

@ShadowWizard phone is handy

@JourneymanGeek are you there

Shadow Wizard

@SagarV nah. 150+ according to this.

Most reports don't make it into the Tavern.

Sagar V

I missed a full stop there.

I mean

I think only 2. which I saw in the morning

Yes there are 6 spams in the meta se and I flagged 2.

I saw 1 but before I opening it, it get deleted

metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/…

Why Animuson converted this to Community Wiki?

stackoverflow.com/posts/8255054/revisions

Inc.

2:23 PM

@SagarV because the question is a CW and is locked, so no answer can't be added, thus only editing is permissible.

Sagar V

@Inc. locked in 2k16 but animuson made it as CW 2 days ago

Journeyman Geek

@SagarV eh, if you have issues, you should say what.

I can always look at it later, if its even my thing

also, don't forget, I don't work for SE :)

Sagar V

If no space is available in C, will windows download it's update to D ?

Journeyman Geek

no

Sagar V

I have only 2 gb free in D. When I restarted my lap, the downloaded updates are applied automatically.

When I checked after that, there is 10 gb free on D.

Inc.

2:27 PM

@SagarV there are other, answers and more converted

rene

@JourneymanGeek If you make a Junction Point?

M.A.R.

@ShadowWizard what did I do this time?

Journeyman Geek

Well, its still C, just the the data is everywhere

Inc.

I guess to make all fair, and to reduce the rep threshold for editing it

Journeyman Geek

@M.A.R. IF YOU DID IT YOU MUST KNOW WHAT YOU DID, YOU ORRIBLE ORRIBLE LIL MAN.

M.A.R.

2:29 PM

Who's @Inc?

Walt, Disney or Micky mouse?

Inc.

"very while" writer

Sagar V

@JourneymanGeek How it happens? I mean files in C occupy other drives?

Did you need this info : Win 10 x64

Journeyman Geek

@SagarV junctions are more or less hard links

(that said, IIRC windows 10 major updates would actually let you use external storage - but that's an exception)

you're better off clearing space

Sagar V

Another one. Why windows keep filling C in a huge ratio. I am moving 1 GB in an interval of 1 hour from morning and When the moving process get completed, C is filled with another set of Temp files(I think) of ~800-900 MB

Journeyman Geek

shrug

Don't ask me. Ask it.

Inc.

2:34 PM

pagefile? huh, there's none

Sagar V

@JourneymanGeek you mean, to Cortana?

M.A.R.

@Inc. I actually forgot who that was

Journeyman Geek

no, use something like windirstat to analyse space usage

M.A.R.

I remembered it as @Sha

Aha! You're a sock

user202362

Tavern is a place with a lot spare socks, yes

M.A.R.

2:37 PM

I am a genius

user315433

3:16 PM

5chdn is not running for Ethereum mod. :( The candidate pool is 50% users with no record to speak of (candidate score 0-3).

user202362

@M.A.R. sure, now tell me who those socks belong to

M.A.R.

@Telkitty I'm not legally allowed to do that

Bhargav Rao

@Alex damn, that's sad.

user202362

If it's not illegal, it must be against certain laws or regulations ...

Feeds

If you draw a diagonal line from lower left to upper right, that's the ICP 'Miracles' axis.

Inc.

3:28 PM

@Alex I don't think I'll run on Anime.SE (not that my candidate score is high enough...)

But there are many potential users that I know are active (dunno if they will run or not though)

Derpy

@Telkitty G3 Minty, obviously.

cazc_941

4:18 PM

Today's Listening

Youtube mirror:

MASTER BOOT RECORD ▒ C:\CHKDSK /F ▒ FULL ALBUM

►

user315433

5:22 PM

SEDE didn't update over this weekend. :( Blame the data center switch?

user315433

It claims "data updated (not long) ago", but the actual query output disagrees

Jason C

5:38 PM

→ 51 messages moved to Chimney

@Alex i noticed that earlier. i just filed a bug report.

user315433

BBC article The coming battle over 'net neutrality' featuring Shog9, EBrown, and aggieben.

Anonymous

6:03 PM

> > Stack Overflow is an American social network of specialists who are trying to fill the knowledge gap. The site follows a question and answer format, with the best answers being voted to the top by members. Moderator Josh Heyer told BBC Trending that users had been lobbying the company for years to try and get it to take a position in favour of net neutrality.

Anonymous

Close enough.

user315433

6:44 PM

s/users/Jason C/

user315433

7:02 PM

sigh Data Science is graduating!

Shadow Wizard

in Shadow's Den, Jun 19 '16 at 12:11, by TIPS

I usually do stuff, then click "newest questions", then end up with 10 tabs that say "Newest questions - Meta Stack Exchange".

i.e. lots of tabs

@M.A.R. you remembered @Sha as it?

@JeremyBanks Shog a mere moderator? Such an insult. ;)

Anonymous

7:18 PM

@ShadowWizard Yeah, that title doesn't sound official, but at least the quote makes it clear he is talking officially.

Travis J

7:35 PM

A social network? You heard it first, here, on BBC.

jadarnel27

I guess this should be revised:

195

A: A "friends list" on Stack Overflow would be nice

Repeat after me: SO is not a social networking site.

Travis J

Did you know, in chat, you can add user activity to the feed and everything they do shows up? That seems about as close to a "friends list" as you can get imo.

user315433

That works on the sites, too. But the feed is noisy, with all the edits and comments.

Travis J

yes

Anonymous

It's not a social network until we start hiding 50% of your friends posts until they pay to advertise them to you.

user315433

7:45 PM

I once wrote a Chrome extension to mark users as "not a waste of my time" and subsequently use that list to filter new questions. Sadly, sorting users is also a waste of my time, so...

canon

7:56 PM

@Alex lol

Bhargav Rao

And the SO election has kicked off meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/351972/…

Travis J

8:15 PM

@canon - lol your question tho.. The soul cannot be crushed nor defeated ;)

canon

:P

Crushing a soul can be a long, laborious process...

Travis J

Looks thriving to me. I wish I was in that kind of shape.

canon

Oh, you're allowed to be jack-ripped in your own personal hellish eternity.

One of the few benefits.

Travis J

Finally found an upside

Next you are going to tell me there is blackjack

canon

I wonder if I even qualify for this election.

Travis J

8:22 PM

Apparently all you need is a twitter account

too soon?

canon

:/

Ron Swanson - On Perfect Government

►

user315433

8:45 PM

SO election in July?!

Bhargav Rao

Yeah

canon

I'm going to run, mimicking Trump's campaign.

Bhargav Rao

Best of luck.

user315433

There was only one summer election on SO so far, in 2012. But that one was remarkably successful - all three winners still serve as mods. Maybe the summer is when the best are ripe...

canon

2012... George came on then, didn't he?

to the mod page...

user315433

8:48 PM

But the 2012 election was early in June, not in the dog days of summer.

Travis J

Why so Sirius?

rene

@canon Will you invole Russian hackers?

canon

Absolutely

Bhargav Rao

Perhaps CMs thought "Change we need", and scheduled it now. :p

user315433

@canon Was done in 2015 election already, and on a couple on other siptes since.p New material please...

canon

8:50 PM

I have a great respect for Russia

plus, I'm going to need some outside help to have a chance in hell

I may even need help with basic eligibility for declaration

;)

Travis J

Just use a bunch of BOLD headers and some bullet points.

canon

I hope Braiam runs and wins... just to drive you all nuts.

rene

lol

canon

@Alex Well, we recycle all sorts of stuff apparently. I just downvoted like 4 repeat election questions.

user315433

Have things changed so much since fall 2016 that new questions are required?

canon

8:58 PM

I'd just like to see some fresh material. Sad.

lol, careers cracks me up

I got an offer for PHP development

it's just like regular recruitment channels

they pay no attention to the languages explicitly listed on your resume

Brad's comment is interesting... meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/351972/…

apparently there's no onboarding for new mods... during which they'd be trained up on prescribed action for various situations

if it works, it works

surprising, though

Travis J

9:15 PM

The election is rigged anyway, we all know the PHP tag is going to win.

user315433

10:00 PM

Poll: what do you get by evaluating exp(2**(-53)) - 1 in the language / environment of your convenience?

Travis J

C#:
Console.WriteLine((double)(2**(-53)) - 1);
Compilation Error: The * or -> operator must be applied to a pointer

JavaScript:
console.log(parseFloat(2**(-53)) - 1);
-0.9999999999999999

Heading home for the day o/

user315433

"exp" part is missing ...

user315433

In Python 3 (after import exp from math) the result is either 0 or 2e-16, depending on what computer I'm on. Curious to know which one is more common.

Journeyman Geek

10:59 PM

@canon oddly. Its been done. BEFORE TRUMP WAS A THING

@canon We learn by doing and asking mostly, yes

user315433

NEO proposal reach commitment, which is where it will probably sit for a few months...

user315433

2

A: Problem with the Crypocurrency community

There already is a Cryptocurrencies site. The problem is that it's called Bitcoin, not Cryptocurrencies, so users of anything but Bitcoin don't realise their questions would be on-topic there. From their tour: Bitcoin and Cryptocurrencies is a question and answer site for cryptocurrency enth...

user315433

Another problem is that it's not a very healthy site as is, and directing more new-to-SE users there is not going to improve that.

user315433

11:14 PM

l--''''''---------''''''''''' leads in the negative 2017 SO league, with -2,895 reputation change for the year. Hmm... asked 1,584 questions, spent 22,300 rep on bounties, and still has 11K left. All with 79 answers.

user315433

11:27 PM

in Documentation Public Beta on Stack Overflow Chat, 7 hours ago, by Vasudha Swaminathan

Hi everyone! Given we are presently running the T-SQL experiment to iterate our way into what Documentation should look like, we are going to go ahead and delete this room by EOD today. We will get this back up when the timing is right!

user315433

Initially read as "we are going to go ahead and delete Documentation by EOD today."

user315433

"EOD" is ambiguous... end of UTC day? Or 23:59 EST? Or...

user315433

Election chat room gets created with the election page, although it would make sense for it to exist from the time the election is announced and question collection begins.

user315433

11:43 PM

Are the tags under a question supposed to be ordered from most to least popular? I wonder why this isn't the case for this question

user315433

Even tried editing it, also removing and adding a tag back...

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