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user315433

00:23

> .@alexa offers great life lessons in "Turning 31" alexascordato.com/turning-31 Congrats on the progress! Can't wait to see you in 2018! -- Hynes at 11:23 AM - 31 Aug 2017

user315433

A little late for me, but still interesting...

user315433

> I stopped drinking diet coke. I gave up dairy and grains and alcohol. I started practicing yoga 3-5 days/week. I went church hopping in search of my spirituality. I lived in Mexico for a month and spent several weeks in Brazil and London.

user315433

Um... I don't know what's wrong with grains, looks like a pretty basic food group to me. The rest sort of makes sense.

Journeyman Geek

cause some people think carbs and.or gluten is the devil.

user315433

> I’m eating pasta and drinking wine and I’m not judging myself for it. I’m disconnected from work, guilt-free, comforted by the fact that I have an incredible team and talented colleagues who are more than capable in my absence.

user315433

00:28

Looks like carbs and gluten aren't an issue.

user315433

Having an incredible team that handles stuff in your absence must be nice.

user315433

Following dead people: Michael Jackson's birthday 8/29 (would be 59), Princess Diana's death 8/31 (20 years ago). Combined...

user315433

Michael Jackson - Dirty Diana (Official Video)

►

Shog9

@Michelle if you're giving up dairy, you're left pouring beer on your cereal, which kinda ruins the beer. Give up beer, and you're left with dry cereal - so give that up too.

user315433

I'm not fond of breakfast cereal, but rice is a staple food... how can <insert a number> Chinese be wrong?

Shog9

00:40

I'm just assuming "grain" is short for "cereal grain" here, since otherwise what do you have left? Potatoes?

user315433

Apparently, all kinds of grains are excluded. "Paleo"... more in A Healthier Start to the New Year

user315433

> For breakfast I make omelettes with different vegetables, bacon, and sweet potato hash (so yummy). Lunch is usually a salad, sometimes with repurposed ingredients from breakfast (e.g. leftover avocado, sweet potatoes, roasted vegetables). And dinner is a protein with a vegetable.

Shog9

Reminder that this used to be a Stack Exchange site

Jon Ericson

. . . back in the stone age of 1.0.

user315433

My lunch situation is tragic... Because of a major construction project, a number of nearby eateries closed or relocated. I've got Dunkin Donuts breakfast sandwiches for lunch 4 times so far this week. And Friday isn't looking any better.

user315433

00:48

Too lazy to pack my own, on top of that.

Shog9

Nice thing about working from home is, you can be lazy in walking distance of a fridge

user315433

The Paleo site has tried everything tag...

user315433

and apparently doesn't limit the number of tags to 5.

Journeyman Geek

@Shog9 technically beer is cereal.

Bread is yeast, water and grain. Beer is.... just bread.. with a lot more water.

Shog9

usually filtered though, at least the most chunky bits

Journeyman Geek

01:02

@Michelle heh, I've packed lunch my entire life.

@Michelle and indians (least in the south)

@Shog9 usually, but that's probably a later feature request...

Journeyman Geek

01:17

@Michelle did cavemen have avocado?

Andrew Myers

@Shog9 You going to get in on this? Is idownvotedbecau.se recommended?

Shog9

01:55

@AndrewMyers not overly annoyed by it yet

user315433

02:16

> One idea we've tossed around for a while is just implementing a simple warning: if the system notices that most of your recent votes have gone to the same person, ask you nicely to stop doing that.

user315433

I like that. When I'm in the mood to answer SymPy questions on SO, I get a bunch of upvotes from their lead developer, and he gets a bunch of upvotes from me at other times. And there are like 5 people looking at that tag in total, so not much activity from outside.

user315433

I'd rather be told to back off than have those votes erased.

rene

07:06

→ 15 messages moved to Chimney

I wonder how many things are on the not overly annoyed by it list ....

Journeyman Geek

07:35

Things that are not on the "meh" and "kill with fire" lists

rene

07:48

That sounds logical ...

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Elias

A bit surprised to 'requesting a tag rename' meta post when a mod edited the meta post but didn't rename the tag from the only question on the main site O_O

rene

08:06

Maybe they are in the edit posts mode and then later on switch to handle posts mode?

Not sure how moderators organize their workload normally

IIRC on SO the mods filter the flag queue for a specific type of tasks and then handle those in one go.

To reduce context switching I guess

Not sure if that is needed for slow sites

Elias

08:19

rant on meta mode

Magisch

Im excited that my homebrew third rate noob SEDE query is as good as SOs 2nd line of vote fraud defense :D

@Michelle There is a legit diet in which you try to cut carbohydrate consumption to <25g / day or less then 5% of your recommended daily caloric intake. It's called keto. Some people really love its effects.

Magisch

09:28

@Shog9 I understand your second third and fourth internal systems are company secrets, right?

Otherwise I'd love to get my hands on some of those techniques and see if I can use them to make my own system better

user315433

10:52

Software Engineering is 7 years old today. Top question of last year: How do I handle disagreement in a code review regarding an unlikely edge case?

SmokeDetector

11:07

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link following arrow in body: Start a Drop Shipping Business with A Simple 3-Step Process by beeketing on windowsphone.SE

Drag and Drop

Is commenting with out site ressource of tutorial and on line lesson a bad thinhg, that can be view as spam or anything like this? context: op is asking for code with no effort.

user315433

Not sure if spam, but it's usually unwelcome. One could "answer" at least 100000 JavaScript questions on SO by posting one line "learn javascript on codecademy.com"; but we don't do that here.

user315433

If a question is bad, that's a reason to vote down the question, not to add more crap to the site on top of that.

user315433

11:35

Hm... I used to flag non-English answers on SO as "not an answer" but then again, if all text is removed, what's left is a code block, which is a pretty typical SO answer. Just ignore the text part if you can't read it...

JNat

Updated this to include August's updates, y'all

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Magisch

Hey JNat

JNat

\o

user315433

Not enough! (goes to read the update)

user315433

11:51

Cool, I missed the "stop reflagging comments for the same reason" meta post.

user315433

Wonder how it works with too chatty -> no longer needed transition.

user315433

Tested: can flag NLN if it was previously flagged too chatty. Okay, they are technically different reasons.

user315433

!!/report civicrm.stackexchange.com/a/20210

Lazar Ljubenović

12:11

Hello. Searched a bit around the meta, but couldn't find anything specific. Somebody has yesterday downvoted my top 5 answers in a row (I can just assume it was the same person). It's obvious that someone is bitter for to me unknown reasons. Is there any place I can/should report such behavior?

Magisch

@LazarLjubenović I assume you mean on your SO profile what happened yesterday between 16:11 and 16:12

You can custom-flag one of the posts it happened to asking for them to be reversed or use the "contact us" link at the bottom of a page and describe your problem there

CMs will usually reverse serial downvotes if you complain.

Lazar Ljubenović

Ah, it was reversed. I missed the notification, it was tangled between some other. Sorry for troubles!

Magisch

For what its worth, if someone keeps doing that, they'll be suspended or at least warned, so don't worry

Journeyman Geek

12:24

@LazarLjubenović I don't think there's a notification for it

there is an automatic script for the worst of it

Magisch

12:47

Hey @JourneymanGeek You're a moderator, right?

In your opinion is it my place to flag serial downvoting that happened to other people?

or should I leave people to do that on their own if they're bothered by it?

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Journeyman Geek

leave it to people on their own

We'd need to call in a CM if it looks like we need a vote invalidation anyway

Magisch

@JourneymanGeek I know, I've been flagging about a hundred give or take serial upvoting cases since last week

JNat

13:07

Yes, you've been creating a lot of work for me :P

Journeyman Geek

We'd need to call in a CM if it looks like we need a vote invalidation anyway

lol

If you worked out something clever...

er...

its a bit like SD, let folk know and maybe that can be rolled in ;p

SmokeDetector

13:21

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in answer, blacklisted user: Hackerrank "Strings: Making Anagrams" Javascript Solution by sanaya on codereview.SE

rene

sd k

Magisch

@JNat Are you the guy who has to deal with that?

I also sent the script through the ticket system so you can cut out me as the middle man if you want :D

JNat

Generally, yeah. Me and animuson

Magisch

@JNat If you're interested I can give a detailed explainer about how I find these (But I assume you already know)

JNat

@Magisch I'll get with Shog, and we'll reach out if we need that, thanks ;)

Magisch

13:30

@JNat I think shog has already taken a look from his answer on my meta post

JNat

Yeah, I think he has

Magisch

Not sure if anything further is gonna come of that or if I just keep farming flags once a week

so far they've all been helpful so I assume I'm hitting true positives

Journeyman Geek

13:50

@Magisch with something like this, if you're doing regular flags... probably a good idea to let local mods know what you're up to

there's this chap who was bulk flagging profanity on SU from SEDE queries...

Andy

SO mods know. He's posted a couple questions on MSO about how much/often he should flag.

Magisch

@JourneymanGeek I could run it on SU too

Feeds

Our new video ad campaign has our product's name shouted in the first 500 milliseconds, so we can reach the people in adjacent rooms while the viewer is still turning down the volume.

Elias

14:13

@Feeds lol, anyway... How can I change media volume when no media is being played?

Elias

15:41

Mysterious experiment on meta CSEducators.SE: Useful Resources for CS Educators (Index), Mailing Lists for Educators, Organizations for CS Educators, Development Environments used in Education

Oh, it seems they're trying to build a resource central...

> sucking the fun

almost misread that

rene

I don't want to know

This is the second day in a row that Tim steps in with comments. Not sure if I have to watch out for trouble.

Elias

The next time you meet, comments are suddenly eligible to be downvoted.

user315433

He's on Affinity Patrol, watching for signs of decreased affinity among developers.

user315433

How to DMCA takedown requests affect public data dumps?

Elias

@Elias and I'm really tempted to reply with "We hate fun™"

user315433

15:53

If the request is granted, doesn't it mean SE has to replace all earlier dumps in which the offending post appeared?

user315433

Publishing as HTML vs publishing as zipped XML doesn't seem to make a lot of difference from legal point of view.

user315433

Granted, it's not SE but Internet Archive who's hosting the dumps, so presumably the takedown request would have to be directed at them... and presumably result in the entire dump taken down?

rene

Is it technically published when the content sits in an xml/zip file?

user315433

If I take a bunch of copyrighted movies and books and put them in a zip file, does than make it okay to put them on my website?

user315433

Doesn't seem so.

Andy

16:02

@rene Google gets DMCA requests for .torrent, .zip, .rar files all the time. They act on those and remove the links.

rene

That makes sense, yes.

rene

16:17

How is the wifi @Telkitty? And your roadtrip?

Magisch

@JourneymanGeek would you mind if I extended my flagging shenanigans to superuser?

canon

demote(@JourneymanGeek); // @ApprenticeGeek

user315433

16:42

> We've earned the "Guru" badge (Accepted answer and score of 40 or more) #magento #stackexchange pic.twitter.com/TMyTQiNRZp -- Ibnab at 8:47 AM - 1 Sep 2017

user315433

We, a guru... So magento.stackexchange.com/users/32932/ibnab is a communal account

rene

16:58

I assume that is OK?

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user315433

17:17

I suppose so. Prohibition would be unenforceable anyway.

Elias

1 account, all users?

"We are legion, we are one"

canon

Has there been any news on the Channels™ front or was the big "introducing channels!" post effectively it?

user315433

17:37

The next big news would we "we built it".

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in answer: How can I enable "Miracast over Infrastructure" for non-Surface Hub Windows 10 PCs? by user767232 on superuser.com

user315433

The Business Insider interview with Spolsky presented them as an existing thing,

user315433

> Recently, the company began beta testing a similar service for small businesses called Stack Overflow Channels. That service gives smaller teams their own roped-off Q&A sites.

user315433

But I think "began beta testing" means essentially "created a Google Form for signups".

Elias

@SmokeDetector not sure

user315433

17:39

I think it's an okay post. The site is stupidly named, that's all.

rene

Wasn't the signup 6 to 8 weeks ago? Still on schedule ...

bjb568

17:54

Wasn't there some comic that said something like "all software is multithreaded except yours"?

user315433

I don't know... only a recent tweet comes to mind.

user315433

> A lot of my work is unparalleled. Mostly because it’s not thread safe at all. -- Nick Craver at 8:06 PM - 28 Aug 2017

bjb568

18:18

Ah, well, I'm going to be kicking off my programming club with a lecture about async.

Jon Ericson

@canon We're working on a prototype. I believe it will be tested internally to make sure it's not embarrassingly awful before rolling out to the volunteers. We've done a bunch of user interviews to minimize the odds we build the wrong thing. (Trying to learn from Docs!)

(And I'm not involved on the project. Just reporting the scuttlebutt I'd gathered.)

Aaron Hall

I'm blocked with a message that I can "only post once every 40 minutes" - but I haven't posted at all today. I presume people at my firm are hitting the rate limits?

Jon Ericson

@AaronHall On Stack Overflow?

Aaron Hall

patents - 101 rep there

Hey, it posted finally...

rene

40 minutes is across the network: meta.stackexchange.com/a/284769/158100

canon

18:29

@JonEricson gotcha. Thanks.

Aaron Hall

@bjb568 That's pretty cool. Teaching is a great way to learn and cement your knowledge, and in that environment you're sure to learn from your audience as well (I'd hope).

Aaron Hall

18:44

and now I'm gone... say hi to happy hour for me.

user343622

Hello. Do you know where to ask questions about animal behaviors in wildlife? Is not there something new since this post? Thank you

canon

19:10

Animals? You could try the c++ tag

Magisch

@AaronHall aren't you a moderator?

Can moderators be rate limited?

Shog9

yes

as can employees

IT IS VERY ANNOYING

canon

baha

Magisch

hey shog

I tried very hard not to incite a meta witch hunt

>_>

but all of SEDE is public

Maybe y'all want to purge the queries from SEDE now as serial voters could use their similarity to the official stuff to bypass the official stuff, no?

canon

I'm all up in your dbo schema...

Magisch

19:24

I'm thinking ahead. The reason the internal things aren't public is to avoid people gaming them. But as you yourself said mine is very similar to the internal ones so it may not be a good idea to leave public

user315433

> I don't use @StackOverflow since '13 but one my library users asked me to be there so I can answer questions about it I wanted to help, but pic.twitter.com/H3sCdQvOWj -- Andrea Giammarchi at 12:21 PM - 1 Sep 2017

user315433

> so, as solution, I've used two tags instead, yet I really wanted to use the one not there yet. stackoverflow.com/questions/46006825/… … -- Andrea Giammarchi at 12:27 PM - 1 Sep 2017

user315433

End result:

user315433

-5

Q: hyperHTML, what is it and how to use it?

Being a relatively new tiny library, one of its users suggested me to open somehow an hyperHTML channel in here so they can ask questions, and receive answers. I've recently updated the library to provide the following features: fully based on JS / Web standards, virtually no tools needed blaz...

user315433

Affinity level: dangerously low.

user315433

19:31

But, a great use case for Documentation!

canon

Where on Earth did the phrasing, "... suggested me to x" come from?

rene

@canon raises hand

user315433

Actually, not a great use case for Documentation because it required having a widely used tag.

canon

@rene What the hell, rene? Is it an awkward port from Hindi or something?

user315433

7

Q: "Suggest to go" vs. "suggest going"

I took an English assessment test online and this was my answer: Someone suggested to go for a walk. My answer was wrong and this was the correct sentence: Someone suggested going for a walk. Can someone please explain why my answer was wrong?

infinitive-vs-gerund

Adam Lear

19:40

@Michelle Good use case, but not the kind we were looking at addressing in the beta.

user315433

I think your answer was not so much incorrect as 100 years out of date. "Suggested to go" would have been fine around 1900. See this Ngram. It seems to have survived to the present in Indian English. — Peter Shor Sep 2 '13 at 12:26

user315433

It also survived in Michelle English, FWIW.

canon

If married to, "suggested to", I'd be inclined to phrase it like, "Someone suggested to me that I go for a walk."

It would never occur to me to phrase it as, "someone suggested me I go for a walk"

user315433

I like the one that's shorter and just as understandable.

canon

e.g.: "someone suggested I go for a walk"?

me too

Shog9

19:48

Someone suggest to me a sandwich

rene

@canon I'm subject to the issues described here

Magisch

@Shog9 Standard issue BLT with some very nice oriental mustard

Shog9

ate all my ripe tomatoes yesterday :-(

Magisch

@Shog9 Spicy tuna and pulled fish sandwich with extra pulled pork

optional a sauce you like

rene

@Shog9 both of them?

canon

19:51

@rene interesting...

pulled fish sandwich? What the hell?

Magisch

don't know that @canon?

canon

What kind of fish-flesh lends itself to being "pulled"

Magisch

Spicy tuna and another type of fish cooked and pulled apart and then mixed with the spicy tuna

It's heavenly with raw onions and a nice cold green sauce

canon

hmm

Jon Ericson

@canon Ropefish.

Magisch

19:53

extremely nutritious too

If I wasn't on keto I'd eat that regularly

canon

@JonEricson omg... nightmarebeast.

bjb568

20:07

I’m going to teach some middle schoolers regex, get them into the hacking biz.

canon

hey, man... children are the future. Spare them from regex.

bjb568

@AaronHall Yep, a lot of people were there, it’ll be a good year.

Elias

20:27

@bjb568 don't forget the vanilla JS too!

because, why jQuery when you can do it vanilla

Aaron Hall

and Ruby
    too
        also
        end
    end
end

(it's so expressive)

canon

vanilla JS?

awww... corrupted chars on paste

Aaron Hall

20:44

(has (lisp (S Expressions)))

bjb568

@Elias Definitely.

Journeyman Geek

22:19

@Magisch frankly, I don't really like things getting flagged all at once since it disrupts my day to day, regular flag handling. Also, considering the seriousness of it, definately needs a meta post, and mod input.

Journeyman Geek

22:32

Granted, I think/hope there'll be less since there's no profit in inflating reputation on our site

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