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rene

12:04 PM

What do you expect from us? You might want to take the tour and read How to Ask to better understand why we have to downvote and close vote your post. — rene 10 secs ago

Shadow Wizard

@rene well said!

rene

With enough practice I might become a nice guy after all....

Persistent user here

Can we have some delete votes on those two meta posts?

ProgramFOX

@bjb568 What's going on with DD login? I log in, go to a page and suddenly I'm logged out.

rene

12:21 PM

Did you pay the rent?

ProgramFOX

:P

rene

no repro here

I can happily login and stay logged in

Bart

@rene ooh, thanks for that ....

Unihedro

@ProgramFOX Yay I have 53 repz on DD!

last-cv-pls stackoverflow.com/q/27765573/3622940

ProgramFOX

1:02 PM

@Unihedro Nice!

rene

1:13 PM

SPAM stackoverflow.com/a/27765338/578411

There is a similar answer on that same question deleted a couple of days ago

Unihedro

^ @Frank in a comic

ProgramFOX

lol

Frank

1:36 PM

eh?

@Unihedro hey, be nice xD

nicael

3:37 PM

Yay, I forgot that now I'll get +2 for my every approved edit on MSE :D

TGMCians

4:00 PM

3 hours later…

Jan Dvorak

It's quiet here...

g2g, bye

TGMCians

bye @jan

Doorknob 冰

!!/hats

SmokeDetector

@Doorknob冰 HATS ARE AWESOME. Winter Bash will end in 0 days, 7 hours, 57 minutes and 46 seconds. :(

TGMCians

:(

Doorknob 冰

4:06 PM

nuke-plz stackoverflow.com/q/27767435/1223693

delv-plz ^

TGMCians

ahh nice

Doorknob 冰

one more delv needed

TGMCians

I don't have such privileges :(

Doorknob 冰

Slacker!

:P

rene

/me go answers regex questions for quick rep

TGMCians

4:08 PM

:D Doorknob冰

I haven't seen @inf here today, is this because of chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/2860699#2860699

@Doorknob冰 gone

\o/

> deleted by Doorknob 冰, Patrick Hofman, Community♦ 1 min ago

^^

rene

@TGMCians Yes, it is. You scared the duck away... ;)

TGMCians

:D

she set her location . Far far away :D

Doorknob 冰

@TGMCians Ah, spam flags. Didn't think of that

TGMCians

yeah

rene

I dont know C#. me neither

TGMCians

4:17 PM

me also

rene

shaken not stirred

TGMCians

Why do you think your question can be asked here? — rene 2 mins ago

lol

!!/alive?

SmokeDetector

@TGMCians ... did I miss something?

rene

@TGMCians Someday I expect a clever answer ...

TGMCians

hmm

rene

4:23 PM

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/27767545/create-exe-for-wince5-0

hichris123

@Behaviour around?

user259867

@hichris123 plz send teh coffee

3

hichris123

lol

Doorknob 冰

Anyone up for helping me get a pizza hat? :P

hichris123

@Behaviour Can you undelete & edit your lorem ipsum post in a minute?

user259867

4:26 PM

Okay, will do.

nicael

@Behaviour You forgot "me" :)

user259867

@hichris123 Undeleted / edited. But it may be on the ignore list already?

hichris123

@Behaviour Possibly, but I broke it. :(

!!/status

SmokeDetector

@hichris123 Running since 16:26:23 UTC

user259867

I think it's better to get a new post on a different site, before EE folks ban me for life. MSE maybe. :)

hichris123

4:30 PM

Can you edit it again, @Behaviour? (testing locally now)

bjb568

@ProgramFOX No repro make sure cookies are enabled and stuff.

Doorknob 冰

meta.stackexchange.com/q/246533/180276 <-- Answers for pizza hat plz? :P

user259867

@hichris123 I posted this just now.

bjb568

wat

hichris123

@Behaviour Huh. No error that I can see...

But it did crash.

user259867

4:36 PM

ProgramFOX did not see any error in logs either. If more testing is needed, feel free to edit my MSE post even if the content deviates from author's intent... (Doorknob edited in "jQuery".)

Doorknob 冰

What? I have no idea what you're talking about

ProgramFOX

@bjb568 They are, but anyway...

@hichris123 It was probably caused by a typo.

bjb568

Try hard reloading!

Check firewall and proxies!

All those fun things…

ProgramFOX

@bjb568 Didn't work.

@bjb568 I haven't made any changes since a few days ago.

bjb568

What headers did you get from login? Do you see your id cookie there? Does it actually get set as a cookie?

user259867

4:43 PM

!!/status

SmokeDetector

@Behaviour Running since 16:41:37 UTC

user259867

^ edit to the all-caps post crashed it.

ProgramFOX

The last status comes from a restart after pulling.

user259867

oops

ProgramFOX

post edited...

!!/status

hm

!!/alive?

@bjb568 I don't know if this causes DD login fail, but worth fixing anyway:

else if (f = val.match(/^(\d+|[A-z])[.)] /))

(main.js, line 169)

I'll now run a local SmokeDetector copy to see whether I get something...

bjb568

4:47 PM

@ProgramFOX main?

ProgramFOX

yeah

bjb568

I got rid of that…

There's front and buildpage and sockets.

Oh, you mean client side?

ProgramFOX

yes, client side

bjb568

Oh, the md parser.

What's wrong with it?

ProgramFOX

@bjb568 Shouldn't it be ==?

bjb568

4:49 PM

No

ProgramFOX

eh

Firefox gives a syntax error at it, so I thought...

bjb568

O_O

user259867

@bjb568 And then you talk about good coding practices on DD learning page. :/

bjb568

Works on WebKit

ProgramFOX

local Smokey running, /me goes to edit post

bjb568

4:51 PM

@Behaviour Hay, that's optimization.

ProgramFOX

Still nothing in the logs... will have to fire a debugger

user259867

@bjb568 Not for those reading the code, who have to stop and think "is this a typo"? Have you tried jslint on it?

ProgramFOX

argh, I cannot log in to DD even after force-killing all browser-related data to it

bjb568

@Behaviour Lint? No, that's crap.

I do jshint sometimes.

ProgramFOX

So I can log in, see the "Welcome back" page, then I go somewhere else and I'm logged out.

bjb568

4:54 PM

@ProgramFOX What's the first 3 letters of your id cookie?

rene

@ProgramFOX Use webkit because mr developer obviouly only uses that to test his &^%$$

hichris123

Sep 18 '14 at 1:11, by Jan Dvorak

SP... oh wait. http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/239550/infrared-23-11s-air-storage

ProgramFOX

@bjb568 ewy

Come on Eclipse, please load faster, I have to debug something.

hichris123

@ProgramFOX Eclipse?!

in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, Dec 29 '13 at 20:24, by ThiefMaster

Use PyCharm!

ProgramFOX

@hichris123 Cool! Never knew about that. Thanks!

bjb568

4:56 PM

@ProgramFOX wat… your cookie is null in the db

hichris123

@ProgramFOX Hey, thank @ThiefMaster.

ProgramFOX

@bjb568 O_O

user259867

@bjb568 Hint: one of 20 instances of if (a=b) in your code should have actually been if (a==b). But just one.

bjb568

@Behaviour I hope you're trolling.

hichris123

!!/status

SmokeDetector

4:59 PM

@hichris123 Running since 16:50:38 UTC

FOX 9000

@hichris123 Running since 16:58:28 UTC

ProgramFOX

finally, debugger launched

Bart

@hichris123 Sitting on my ass since forever

rene

@bjb568 No, we are not! go fix it... please

bjb568

… troll

ProgramFOX

5:00 PM

Edited the post, debugger caught it.

hichris123

@Bart You're a little late for Mistletoe. :P

Infinite Snowflakes

@TGMCians I will be in the neighbourhood, fell free to poke me :)

hichris123

shouldn't you write a mock to test this stuff... — rene 7 mins ago

Yeah, that's on my todo list, @rene.

rene

good, prioritize it, will you ;)

ProgramFOX

... so there is also a bit of problem with our error logging because my local SmokeDetector copy has apparently been running for -240 seconds...

Bart

5:04 PM

As a substitute we will mock you until you have written it @hichris123

3

hichris123

@Bart Yay mocking!

bjb568

@ProgramFOX Well, I think I fixed the bug.

hichris123

@ProgramFOX Wheel of blame...

Y'know, we totally need the "not my fault" bot in here.

ProgramFOX

@hichris123 Because I did startup_time - now instead of now - startup_time.

hichris123

@ProgramFOX lol

ProgramFOX

5:07 PM

Eugh, I lost PyDev's Expressions tab.

hichris123

@rene github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/issues/37

nicael

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: THIS IS ONLY A TEST by Behaviour on meta.stackexchange.com

ProgramFOX

phew, I found the tab back

hichris123

@nicael lolwut

rene

@hichris123 what a mess is that ws.py file....

bjb568

5:11 PM

-1

A: How can I help a child learn to program?

Start with a HEADFIRST series.

wat

hichris123

@rene Yeah, kinda.

ProgramFOX

Umm... I get this error:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "C:\Eclipse\dropins\PyDev_3_5_0\plugins\org.python.pydev_3.5.0.201405201709\pysrc\pydevd.py", line 473, in processInternalCommands
    int_cmd = queue.get(False)
  File "C:\Python27\lib\Queue.py", line 165, in get
    raise Empty
Empty

hichris123

@ProgramFOX You broke it!

Actually, nevermind, it's balpha's fault.

bjb568

@bjb568 VLQ?

ProgramFOX

@bjb568 Thanks, login works again!

bjb568

5:15 PM

\o/

Mah head!

user259867

@bjb568 I DVed and flagged VLQ.

bjb568

k

ProgramFOX

Okay, I have the error:

in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 40 secs ago, by FOX 9000

Recovered from AttributeError: 'list' object has no attribute 'strip'

!!/rev?

SmokeDetector

@ProgramFOX 9033eed (ProgramFOX: Fixed auto-ignore and some other stuff I broke)

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: THIS IS ONLY A TEST by Behaviour on meta.stackexchange.com

ProgramFOX

\o/

hichris123

5:23 PM

!!/status

SmokeDetector

@hichris123 Running since 17:20:42 UTC

ProgramFOX

I edited it once more and it did not post (which is good), now checking

!!/status

SmokeDetector

@ProgramFOX Running since 17:20:42 UTC

ProgramFOX

Okay, everything is fine again!

@Behaviour You should probably delete your post now.

user259867

Oh no, my rep! It was at +4 -5, for the net gain of 10. Deleted.

ProgramFOX

5:25 PM

@Behaviour By the way, this might explain why we never had any reports for blacklisted users -- that feature was broken for the same reason (and is also fixed now).

Hi @ThiefMaster! Thanks for your message about PyCharm; I was still using Eclipse but PyCharm looks a lot better.

hichris123

5:47 PM

Woah. stackoverflow.com/help/badges/18/guru?userid=2581872

Doorknob 冰

@hichris123 I have two of those. :P

bjb568

noice

hichris123

> (post deleted or otherwise unavailable)

bjb568

Does it work with CW or self-answer?

Doorknob 冰

@hichris123 It was this one: i.sstatic.net/rt7yT.png

user259867

5:50 PM

@hichris123 And you helped 59711 people with that!

hichris123

@Behaviour "helped"

@Doorknob冰 What's the answer?

bjb568

Why deleted?

Doorknob 冰

Ah, no no no, you reached 60k people. Because obviously that makes the arbitrary number so much more useful.

user259867

Including me, as of now.

hichris123

@Behaviour Go download the JDK. :P

user259867

5:53 PM

@Doorknob冰 I thought undelete always takes 3 votes, and only deletion requires more for high voted posts...

Doorknob 冰

@hichris123 i.sstatic.net/6sFcV.png <noonebox>

@Behaviour Apparently this one requires 6 undelete votes (of which 5 are already cast).

Sompuperoo

@Doorknob冰 can you remove the 1 idea per answer remark since you already got your pizza?

user259867

@Doorknob冰 Found the explanation here. Not easy because that post is closed as a duplicate of How many votes are needed to undelete? which despite its name, does not answer the question.

user259867

I could copy Jarrod's answer, but then if they rules change, they'd have to be updated in two places. What to do?

user259867

I guess: rename the closed post, and reverse the order of duplication?

Doorknob 冰

5:58 PM

@Sompuperoo That's not the reason I put it there...

user259867

Which is very easy because Meta Stack Exchange has so many active mods...

Doorknob 冰

If there's multiple ideas in an answer, and you like one but dislike another, how are you supposed to vote?

Sompuperoo

@Doorknob冰 oh ok, but I don't want to leave 11 or so separate answers.. polling doesn't work right, so I'll leave mine as 1 answer

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: IPHONE ACTIVATION PROBLEM 4S by leah on apple.stackexchange.com

Sompuperoo

@Doorknob冰 leave a comment "+1 for all ideas except this one"

rene

6:00 PM

@Sompuperoo you plagarized my idea....

Sompuperoo

@rene lol, did not mean too

rene

We split the votes, OK?

Sompuperoo

@Behaviour just copy/paste or quote Jarrod's answer as your own answer or community wiki on the descriptive titled one, linking to his answer of course. Leave the duplicate and everything else as is.

@rene no, but you can have a slice of my pizza

rene

@Sompuperoo Hmmm, okay .... I was planning to skip dinner but this changes things...

user259867

@Sompuperoo Hm, but I don't even know if the rules are current. It says question + answers' score, with "answers" in plural. Which for deletion was changed later to the top answer, I think.

Sompuperoo

6:07 PM

@Behaviour you could state exactly that in your answer

user259867

And the math does not check out. In @Doorknob冰's case, the question has score 72, the answer has 138. That's 210 total. According to Jarrod, this should require +7 extra undelete votes. So the total would be 10. But Doorknob says it's 6.

user259867

I think it's easier just to post a new Meta question.

hichris123

@Behaviour Maybe @Doorknob can't count. :P

@Doorknob冰 upvote answer, comment "upvoted, but I hate this part".

Sompuperoo

This guy thinks otherwise about wearing multiple hats. — Scimonster 36 mins ago

Also, I want to make @Bart participate for the full bash next year instead of disappearing for like 2 weeks

user259867

Found up to date info; the scaling is 20:1, only Q+topA count, and the same rules apply to undelete. Which still contradicts @Doorknob冰's observation about 6 required undelete votes; it should be 10 (max possible).

user259867

6:21 PM

undelete-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/15648312/…

user259867

There is another question marked as a duplicate of the above. And the original is not a harmful question that needs to be deleted.

Bart

6:45 PM

@Sompuperoo :D Give me a break. I figured that an entire year without a day off wasn't a good idea, so I took the 2 weeks now.

Sompuperoo

@Bart Ok, maybe I/u/sum1 will need to make a bartling botling for when you away next time

hichris123

@Sompuperoo It could reply with a random Bart quote.

"@Bart around?" - "nice comments? You make me sick."

Bart

:D

user259867

Is there any good way to download the entire chat transcript? I mean, better than scrape it page by page.

Sompuperoo

@hichris123 yes, that is good idea, the bartling could even run during the night shift when @bart is not around so the nighters could enjoy the @bartness

hichris123

6:53 PM

@Behaviour Shog said something about that a while ago...

user259867

Yes, I remember now. The answer is more or less "no".

Bart

13

Q: Obtaining full chat transcripts

How do I download all chat messages or those from a particular room (over all time)? Some dopey script may be able to do it, but is there a more convenient way? Is there something at http://data.stackexchange.com/; all I see are the QA sites. Trying to learn some data analysis stuff, figured I...

No answer unfortunately

user259867

Dec 27 '14 at 3:53, by Shogging through the snow

I had... a reason... to construct a single-page transcript for a room once. This is a little bit different, in that you can automate loading each transcript page with a bit less overhead than loading them into a live room

hichris123

Gah.

You beat me by a few seconds.

s/few/many

Shokhet

I don't understand the requirements for the Red Baron hat. Specifically, what has to be "+3 after"? ....the question? the answer?

.....if anyone here has that hat, I'd love to know how you got it :)

Sompuperoo

7:05 PM

@Shokhet question must be -3 or worse at one point, then +3 or more after that, and your answer must be +5 or more

Shokhet

@Sompuperoo Got it. Thanks!

tough hat to get, no?

Jan Dvorak

it's your usual reversal badge, isn't it?

Sompuperoo

@JanDvorak no, not at all

Jan Dvorak

... diluted reversal badge?

Shokhet

@JanDvorak No, reversal is where I get a good answer (+20?) to a really bad answer (-5?) ....here, question score has to change

user259867

7:07 PM

The hat is what reversal badge should have been.

Jan Dvorak

Well... good luck then

Shokhet

....last night, I answered two -3 questions; both answers now have a score of one. One question is still -3, the other is now -1

Sompuperoo

@Shokhet yes it's very tough.. seems like they probably got the idea for that hat , b.c of these new badges that were implemented, to try to get answerers to edit the question they answered to a better question

Shokhet

@Sompuperoo Ah. That makes sense, actually....I was wondering what was to be gained by the red baron hat.

user259867

Yes, Red Baron is a tough one; the rarest hat except the manually-awarded Eureka. The only hat that Doorknob doesn't have.

Shokhet

7:09 PM

@Shokhet I'm hoping to at least get a Necromancer badge for those answer; it's unlikely, though.

user259867

Best chance to get it is on a question that is downvoted for being unclear or poorly formatted, but is actually good underneath that.

Shokhet

True

Sompuperoo

!!/hats?

SmokeDetector

@Sompuperoo HATS ARE AWESOME. Winter Bash will end in 0 days, 4 hours, 50 minutes and 16 seconds. :(

Shokhet

@SmokeDetector Oh dear. I don't have that much time to get Red Baron, now do I? :(

Sompuperoo

7:11 PM

OMGWTF!>!>!?! :(

> Stack Overflow is currently offline for maintenance

thankfully going to log off now anyways, but that's sad, bye

user259867

Good, no questions to close for a little while.

user259867

Same on Math.

Shokhet

I actually got a similar message on the winterbash site -- wanted to check the leaderboard

Mi Yodeya is up, though

....SO works for me

hichris123

Why's Meta in RO?

nicael

@Sompuperoo This was for me for one minute, now works.

bjb568

7:17 PM

MSE read only?

rene

yes

bjb568

Why is it read only?

rene

dunno

bugs?

Shokhet

MSE is read only for me also. I've never seen that before.

user259867

Abby finally got tired of comments.

2

user259867

7:22 PM

Expect read-only to persist until the end of WB.

rene

Stars still work...

user259867

Chat still works. (Empirically observed)

bjb568

…

user259867

Is there any reason why "known good" audits in LQ review appear with fake 0 score when they are answers, but with true positive score (+5 usually) when they are questions?

user259867

I understand the first part, not the second.

user259867

7:35 PM

Makes those audits kind of pointless, since a +5 question could not be flagged VLQ.

Shokhet

Winterbash site is back up (discovered in another chat room)

hichris123

Meta's back.

rene

Yeah!

was that planned?

Unihedro

Night!

Shokhet

@Unihedro Good afternoon! ;-)

bjb568

7:41 PM

@Behaviour IDK

@Behaviour Agree

nicael

lol dev meta beta :D How to change language there, switcher in the bottom doesn't seem to work :D

Shokhet

7:55 PM

!!/hats?

SmokeDetector

@Shokhet HATS ARE AWESOME. Winter Bash will end in 0 days, 4 hours, 4 minutes and 48 seconds. :(

nicael

BUG it shouldn't say 0 days!

Scimonster

@SmokeDetector :(

user259867

@nicael Will be fixed in a few hours...

Doorknob 冰

hmm... is four hours enough to get Red Baron? :P

Scimonster

7:59 PM

!!/hats?

SmokeDetector

@Scimonster HATS ARE AWESOME. Winter Bash will end in 0 days, 4 hours, 1 minute and 34 seconds. :(

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