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@Behaviour HATS ARE AWESOME. Winter Bash will end in 0 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes and 41 seconds. :(

eeeeeeeeeeeek

nooooo

NOOO

!!/hats

@UndotheSnowman HATS ARE AWESOME. Winter Bash will end in 0 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes and 23 seconds. :(

12:00 AM

still never got my Red Baron ;(

huh, server time off?

user259867

It's over already, earlier than scheduled. We've been cheated! Or maybe Smokey's time is indeed off...

!!/hats?

@UndotheSnowman WINTERBASH IS OVER! :(

Noooo

12:01 AM

Farewell, pirate doorknob. Rest in peace.

MY HATS NO!!!

I shall nevar refresh chat

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@Doorknob冰 It refreshes itself.

not yet

So will you remove the 冰?

12:03 AM

yup, and change the avatar picture back to a regular doorknob

@Undo What is your server time?

noooooooooo chat just reloaded :(

hmm, the other chatrooms haven't yet though

12:31 AM

mm... I still have my hat

aaaaaand gone

!find youtube and it's gone

south park AND ITS GONE! - YouTube

//hats?

NO MORE HATS!

:(

Now added as a bot command.

12:36 AM

!!/hants

!!/hats

@Doorknob WINTERBASH IS OVER! :(

Hants?

my hants are typing words

Merge branch 'asdfasjkfdlas/alkdjf' into sdkjfls-final

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I miss hats already...

We all do.

But winter and the catnip penalty are going away soon, so hats must go with it.

12:43 AM

At least I can keep my snow

For a while.

@Doorknob I already know that feeling

1:24 AM

lol androidpolice.com/2015/01/04/…

Anyone want some spam?

^ yeah, I noticed it when trying to crosscheck an issue reported on android.se... wondering why there is no "flag" link there :(

@AndrewT. Open an issue on the Google Code issue page. :P

@hichris123 too meta

lol

1:40 AM

Hey, no word from SE yet

anorton

1:53 AM

@Frank No word on what?

oh you wouldn't know

wat

Shog, always insightful and helpful apperance

I like birds as much as the next guy, but … a song? …

1:58 AM

the vid is pre '80 @bjb... television just became a thing

ha

he

judaism.stackexchange.com/a/38285 ugh

That place stinks.

yeah

I think all the religion sites do

> but in my town that means about 5 hours … if you want to add on additional study or work, it will be on top of a full curriculum not designed to accommodate such.

(wanted to say "some of religion sites do", but was superseded by Frank's)

2:08 AM

> education incorporates an awareness of religion and spirituality across the board. The integration of a Jewish identity into a young person's identity is a constant and consistent process.

> or these reasons, it would be very difficult for an Orthodox Jewish child, growing up in a public school with many secularized non-Orthodox friends immersed in American popular culture, to maintain a solid Orthodox hashkafa and remain observant into adulthood.

So because crickets, they feel like the world is wrong and they must force into their child their beliefs, shielding them from the reality of culture and limiting their educational time?

As I child myself, I can only see this as abusive.

Well you can't even spell right, so...

hay, I choose to spaaail rong

But I can spell correctly if I so choose.

It creates contrast of tone.

"As I child myself,"

Why that^^?

grammarz bad in yuo

@Frank he meant to say "kid"

:D

2:19 AM

> a young human being below the age of puberty or below the legal age of majority.

I do fit that.

but you used bad grammar.

What, how?

@bjb568 this one:

> kid (verb) to deceive as a joke

something like "as I kid myself thinking that"

Ooooh.

As a child, not as I child.

ugh

That's a typo.

On small keyboards, when I try to type 'to', I fat finger it and it comes out "typo"

2:26 AM

ytpo

Tried fat fingering.

No werk.

ur using a nicer keyboard then

o

k

@bjb568 it says majority not maturity

@Sompuperoo Yes

\o

2:33 AM

o/

\o

Tavern Law #1: @bjb568 uses bad grammar

What's #0?

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@bjb568 The Tavern must not be original

:O

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Too bad, I just posted a message nobody else has ever came up with before

2:45 AM

!!/hats?

@Sompuperoo WINTERBASH IS OVER! :(

Hats?

No moar hats :(

Nope :(

Is off topic to demand an answer that actually answers what you asked?

@Gemtastic Off-topic for what?

@bjb568 SO

2:52 AM

As a question edit? (no)

Or comment? (on answers)

A comment on an answer that's almost what I'm asking for

But not quite since it just links to another answer and then just slaps some code on there

Consider editing question to make it more clear, or offer bounty if you want good answer / more popularity.

It's this specific thing: stackoverflow.com/a/27771624/3763850

If you want elaboration, auto comment: "Could you add more detail to your answer? While short answers may help by pointing in the right direction, it would be helpful to have further explanation."

I think the question is pretty clear: "Why does <a> do this?"

2:56 AM

Somebody needs to edit FIDDLE out of all that guy's answers. O_O

live.chess.com/live?v=2014121901#g=1019855117

@Frank Why does it require login?

@bjb568 cuz.

@bjb568 Interestingly enough he's got 2 of them in that answer...

@Gemtastic and no more

3:02 AM

I don't really know why I've upset him though. Making it seem like I've posted 100 questions where I keep demanding people answering why the code does what it does, when in fact, I've only asked two questions; the one I posted above and this.

Thus, my question here: is it off topic to ask them for the answer I'm looking for, or is why code behaves the way it does off topic?

this and that. Not this and this.

Better?

Ok.

Maybe I just shouldn't ask stuff. :(

@Gemtastic Don't be sad, it was just New Years! [in place of @bjb568 botling]

3:06 AM

:)

@hichris123 You just double double pinged.

@bjb568 Tavern Law #0: The Tavern's rulebook is not a zero based array.

@bjb568 yay yay yay yay

:P

@hichris123 That statement is false?

@hichris123 Hmm I wonder what to do to feel better...

@bjb568 ... <word-lawyering> Rulebooks != arrays </word-lawyering>

@Gemtastic sleep.

@hichris123 I kinda just woke up :/

3:09 AM

I mod flagged complaining about the comments.

@Gemtastic Well, sleep again!

Try taking a shower.

Coding!

Peeing!

Anything that will make you feel better.

@bjb568 Well, I am coding. I'm working on the design for my final project for this course

But I keep hitting these tiny stupid things >_<

Like now a div doesn't wanna span over the site >_>

Heheh

I never have problems with CSS.

I have mastered it.

@Gemtastic use a <span> to span stuff :/

O.o

Will that work on the div?

just making a pun, ask a question on SO if you are stuck

3:14 AM

Probably a dup.

@Sompuperoo I'm kinda demotivated to do that >_>

Since I actually wanna know why it's doing what it's doing

@Gemtastic b.c no more hats to earn?

@Sompuperoo Because "Don't take this the wrong way but I've see you on this site asking for help and making people explain themselves over and over until you feel satisfied with the answer."

I suppose I did take it the wrong way. :/

naa stackoverflow.com/a/27690173/3041194

O.o

user259867

3:30 AM

@anorton Frank is one of top candidates for Moderator Pro Tempore at LifeHacks beta. But SE hasn't made appointments yet.

anorton

Ah.

xD

betcha can't find me there

unless you recognize me off of MSE

Well, I mean, the tree is kind of a giveaway...

Speaking of which, you're still frozen.

It's still winter

@Frank wrong, winter is comming

3:40 AM

Here, it's been winter for a couple weeks now.

AstroCB

4:21 AM

1 hour ago, by bjb568

I have mastered it.

^ Famous last words.

lol

> I have mastered Vim.

^ words nobody has said truthfully, ever

I have mastered Vim.

@Doorknob obsolete

fixed

I have truthfully ever mastered Vim.

@Doorknob obsolete

user259867

4:25 AM

84

Vi and vim

Proposed Q&A site for people using vi and vim

Currently in definition.

user259867

Needs 21 more questions with a score of 10 or more.

user259867

Before SE shuts it down again, that is.

@Fundamental Well, no problem for me, I've mastered it.

I just don't wanna

@Fundamental My passive-aggressive stance. :P

Ah, Doorknob. I was hoping you'd make an appearance. Your resounding "No" answer to one of the related questions makes your opinion loud and clear. — Gregory Higley 2 hours ago

Is that... a compliment? I'm going to assume it is.

user259867

SPAM drupal.stackexchange.com/questions/142228/…

4:45 AM

School day tomorrow.

Night!

night

Not doing a uni here.

Then why are you still on?

;P

user259867

5:23 AM

SPAM drupal.stackexchange.com/questions/142229/…

user259867

Drupal spam gone at -2, mod action.

user259867

6:04 AM

It's cold and snowy and the hats are gone. Gah!

We don't even have snow, only frost :/

user259867

7:17 AM

Going through the old bookmarked conversations in this room (insomnia cure). This one has substance & historical significance:

user259867

A debate about voting

Mar 3 '11 at 7:12, 1 hour 43 minutes total – 260 messages, 13 users, 12 stars

Bookmarked Mar 3 '11 at 15:54 by Yi Jiang

7:27 AM

@Fundamental yeah... how everyone ignores Jeff for half an hour.... priceless

Q: Should we have a policy about "too much downvoting"?

Be nice v0.5

-59

We've never had an explicit policy around downvoting -- users are free to, if they like, cast all their votes as downvotes. Whether this behavior is desirable or not is another matter. Now, we do discourage downvoting by making downvotes cost -1 rep to the casting voter. But, there's nothing in...

When I first saw this question title, I thought it was from a new user. Imagine my surprise when I saw it was Jeff Atwood who posted the question.

7:53 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: The Natural Herbal Muscle mass Formula by jessica carmean on meta.stackexchange.com

@SmokeDetector tpu ^ SPAM ^

@Sompuperoo Registered as true positive: added title to Bayesian doctype 'bad' and blacklisted user.

user259867

spam gone

Been thinking about asking something on Meta.SE but worried it will be downvoted to hell—this is pretty meta-meta to be asking about here, but I feel like SE's chat software is in dire need of an update. The main SE software is polished and modern, but chat shows its warts all over the place.

@AlexisKing well...you need to convince community, so...What is the thing that needs to be updated? and Why does it need to be updated?

user259867

8:05 AM

@AlexisKing Main site software generates traffic and ad views. Chat is chat.

SPAM meta.stackexchange.com/questions/246588/…

@DroidDev Chat is fairly functional, but, well... so is the user profile page, and they're spending plenty of time on that. Tags still use the old display, for crying out loud. The user interface is a mess and unintuitive, especially for new users. It "works," but just barely.

user259867

> chat is pretty dead development wise it seems :( -- Seth

@Fundamental Chat could be more useful if they made it more useful. Currently it's this weird little corner of SE that most users aren't aware exists. Or perhaps people prefer it that way?

!!/hats?

8:08 AM

@Unihedro WINTERBASH IS OVER! :(

Oh no! :(

wait... THERE IS A CRAB ON @Uni!!!

user259867

@AlexisKing No, it's just that the developers are a finite resource, and SE have been putting them elsewhere for a long period of time. The dev who works the most on chat is balpha (hanging over to the right in the second row), but he does more than just chat... like, you know, hats.

HATS

all is right with the world, I'm sorry I said anything

@AlexisKing those are upgrades, not updates. And not functionality upgrades(from your comment, it looks like just UI upgrades).

8:11 AM

Okay, but seriously, though, chat could be so much more than it is now functionally. UX is a part of functionality.

user259867

@AlexisKing I think there were some small improvements to chat recently, so it seems it's been getting more attention. Don't lose hope.

I guess we can agree that SE chat is not the best chat platform that we have, but hey... stars.

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@AlexisKing many users don't care to see the profile page changed, at least not changed in such a drastic way. If it works , it works.. no need to do another design change that really won't make things any better, but possibly worse

@Sompuperoo That's exactly my point. If they can improve the quite alright profile page, they can spend some resources making chat more useful/usable.

user259867

@AlexisKing Put forward some concrete suggestions for improvements on meta. Seriously. Not a vague "you guys should make the chat better".

8:13 AM

@AlexisKing that's what I am saying. You have to convince community that UI upgrades will improve functionality :)

user259867

@DroidDev Strictly speaking, one don't have to convince community of that... we are not the VP of Engineering by committee.

@Fundamental Eh, if the community doesn't agree and downvotes, your FR probably will get ignored with a low score.

@Fundamental actually, I think amount of upvotes will decide the course of upgrades and convincing community means votes. By convincing, I mean, concrete reasons, so that more people on SE are convinced that upgrades are needed and upvote the post.

A: noindex and nofollow for bad questions

This is what happens when you don't convince the community in a change:

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No, I disagree that this should be implemented. Questions which cannot be redeemed should be dealt with, and not instead be banished from the search engine. Here's why: There is no need to reduce its source of getting views, as views expires close votes, and these questions (negative score, no...

> Some links will be automatically inlined if posted on a single line by themselves, such as:

[...],
Github gists

Wait, do Gists really one-box?

8:29 AM

Happy post-Winterbash all!

Hatless

Hateless

cv-plz POB stackoverflow.com/q/12770459/2389078

8:53 AM

SPAM stackoverflow.com/questions/27776012/…

question is spam seed ^

that ^ flag as spam please

!!/status?

@rene Running since 08:41:10 UTC

Go catch spam will you instead of running...

9:15 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: Muscle Building Diet - The Key To Your Success? by Karrie on askubuntu.com

Smokey caught the spam after @rene's scolding :P

Whatever it takes to comply ...

@SmokeDetector gone

@SmokeDetector tpu

@Unihedro Registered as true positive: added title to Bayesian doctype 'bad' and blacklisted user.

9:56 AM

Anyone who can share their thoughts on this?

@rene answered by communit mod

Who happens to be lurking in this room ;)

Tim Post

5

32 years later :p

10:14 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: Easy Ways To Increase Muscle Size by Nora Lowe on meta.stackexchange.com

@SmokeDetector tpu spam

@AndrewT. Registered as true positive: added title to Bayesian doctype 'bad' and blacklisted user.

10:31 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: How to remove wrinkles from a crumbled paper? by TheIndependentAquarius on lifehacks.stackexchange.com

@SmokeDetector nice question on nice site...

@SmokeDetector fp

@AndrewT. Registered as false positive and added title to Bayesian doctype 'good'.

baby wipes is not the answer this time?

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: Easy Ways To Increase Muscle Size by Nora Lowe on drupal.stackexchange.com

bummi

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/q/12595278/1699210

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/q/5073960/1699210

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/q/247823/1699210

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/q/9366621/1699210

11:02 AM

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/q/* ?

4

That is rude, just do it per tag...

byebye [android]

NOOOOOOOOOOOO

[ SmokeDetector ] URL in title: http://stackexchange.com/performance menu item dissappears when you navigate to other tabs by Ashley Coolman on meta.stackexchange.com

We shall call you BlackberryDev from now on @DroidDev

11:08 AM

but, blackberry is already gone!

wait...I am going to be obsolete?

Welcome to my world

This is awesome

randomascii.wordpress.com/2014/06/26/…

RIP Netflix

Bad bad users, paying for access to movies and series. How dare they!

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: Absolute Derma Is For Skin Care Health by haydencludzi68 on codegolf.stackexchange.com

@SmokeDetector tpu

11:22 AM

@Unihedro Registered as true positive: added title to Bayesian doctype 'bad' and blacklisted user.

@Bart after reading that maybe byebye [c++] ?

Nah, let it be @rene. Otherwise I would have nothing to get upset about on a daily basis.

You wouldn't want to see me all happy and cheerful now would you?

@Bart I suggest you to try android

Anger Management...

12:06 PM

SPAM ell.stackexchange.com/a/44791/8858

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: SCREEN FLICKERING WHILE MOVING THE LID by pavan on superuser.com

A: How can I help a child stay motivated in learning to program?

12:18 PM

Hallo from skewl

MEEW!

MEEW

meh

Hi :)

0

I can't say I read all of the responses, but the first few saddened me greatly. VIRTUALLY NONE of the modern computing greats (think Gates, Jobs etc.) cut their teeth at such a high-level of abstraction (i.e. web based technologies). They all got down and dirty with the hardware. The go-to gur...

O_O

bummi

12:26 PM

@rene cms could be interesting for the close vote review

@bummi Why does it exist on MSE?

Yeah, I saw the pattern emerge

A: How can I help a child stay motivated in learning to program?

@bjb568 Is that even an answer?

1

Congratulations to this young mind for already having an incredibly marketable skill at the early age of 14! (I'm a programmer so pardon me while I geek out). First of all, encourage this, it's a great skill to have! An entry level programmer can start at $30,000-50,000 a year depending on l...

Why doesn't that list come with devdocs.io ?

> the industry is very.... heavy... mainly because a programmer sits in one position and types all day... and night... and week....

@Unihedro No

I'd downvote twenty times if I could.

bummi

12:31 PM

@bjb568 Maybe the question should be closed as POB :)

-20 for stereotyping programmers as sitting in a position and typing all day, directly defacing the reality of a programmers' workplace. To cut short, meetings and planning and deployment doesn't simply involve sitting in front of the computer. To add, Stack Overflow isn't for "asking your peers for help", it is about "building the best answers for every professional and enthusiast programmers' question". If you're looking for help, consult Code Project, where their purpose is "to help programmers with their problem, not to make them feel stupid". Also, add devdocs.io. — Unihedro 1 min ago

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/27747663/… sooooo broad

What is the question? Are you just sharing ideas or do you want us to fix something? — rene 38 secs ago

I have no idea what is being asked there ^^^^

12:53 PM

@bjb568 so, is that questions for your kittens? :P

on the other hand, you pretty much look like a kitten yourself :P