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Heh, nice

4:20 AM

> honestly i am too drunk to get into an argue

Wow, adding in two more platforms to Jeff Atwood really needed some funky engineering

@DanGrossman So SE sites need a sobriety test? I too may have posted while...altered.

See that Maglev platform sandwiched between the railway ones? Yeah, that took some work...

:just realized it's Friday by what's on TV:

4:35 AM

@DanGrossman And not by the posts on Meta? Hmmmm...

(for another 25 minutes)

where'd thursday go...

I wonder how long it would take dot to generate this dependency graph on my computer

oh the gems of TDWTF; even if they have no clue what an embedded system is.

I don't know why they drew a gray box

I am playing a boardgame online with three people in the same room as me.

4:47 AM

been there done that

Are you cheating?

Now I know how people who paid thousands of dollars to play scrabble on iPhones and an iPad feel.

@NickT To hide the victim's name I think

@NickT Of course.

4:50 AM

> CLIENT: “Please change the file name of the document and send it back to me ASAP. I need this done immediately.” -- Clients From Hell

> "Please email me back the file. I sent you the only copy I have." -- Clients From Hell

"Fax me some paper, we're out"

Another one for Marc! Jeff and Marc is even at 4 each, I think!

Ah, neck and neck in passenger fatalities. Hooray!

@TimStone Not really. The one that crashed at Marc's isn't full, so Jeff's still ahead on that count

Oh, my bad.

Hmm

5:11 AM

I hereby announce a new competitor to the competition:

I'm sure Nick Craver will be honoured ;)

Also, I didn't win the iPad in that Manning contest. I declare shenanigans!

Really, I should see if I can get the newspaper to announce: 'Citizens celebrate first plane crash at Nick Craver Airport', the format they use for first vehicle arrival at stations

Such a joyous occasion :P

drachenstern

Well, inlaws crashing here for the night includes my nine year old nephew. I really dont like video games as much as they think I do :p now for my pillow. Asta mañana mi amigos.

Hah, g'night @drachenstern

5:31 AM

Another one on Jeff! Jeff 5, Marc 4, Nick 1

Nick's pilots better stop trying so hard if he wants to catch up.

oy

'Ello again @RebeccaChernoff

Allo

How's Drop7 been treating you? ;)

5:40 AM

hahahaha

good q:

And you even snuck in a WwF move! Very nice, heheh.

@RebeccaChernoff No planes crashing on your airport yet :D

\o/

\o/ ,o, /o/ /o\

Why don't you stay at the

@mootinator \o\ lurch both ways /o/

5:45 AM

34 secs ago, by mootinator

\o/ ,o, /o/ /o\

Hahah, nice.

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The first guy makes it sound so epic.

I'm not convinced that it actually is, but. :P

:crashes his editor again:

6:31 AM

@TimStone It sure sounds like his believes it.

Yeah, hahah

Oh, yah. Gaming on the Atom. Where do I sign up? =/

It confuses me a little, because it's like a netbook you have to have an external mouse for.

A gaming netbook. That doesn't sound painful, at all.

@TimStone, when was the last time a word longer than 3 letters was played?

6:41 AM

Well, you have to have hardcore gaming on the go @GeorgeMarian. Since, you know, we all leave the house so that we can play games.

@RebeccaChernoff Heheh, I was thinking the same thing. I'm not sure. :p

I really like that last three letter word I played, though ;)

Argh, lack of Office on this computer is a fail on my part.

hrmph

Oh TI, where have you gone..

TI? They're still here, selling their calculators for the same price as they sold them 20 years ago. And they are making one of the ARM chipsets for Windows 8 tablets.

I meant my calculator specifically, it's gone missing in my room somewhere. :P

6:57 AM

Dammit.

Hm?

Don't worry! No matter how old it is, you can replace it for the same exact price at the store today. The TI-83's 6MHz processor and 32KB of RAM have not dropped in production cost a single penny since 1996!

Not cool @TimStone, not cool.

\o/

@RebeccaChernoff Ah....erm, sorry?

You're killing me!

6:59 AM

You were winning too, which is the really confusing part.

7:22 AM

@RebeccaChernoff Good game :)

(:

That was quite the board though, heh.

seriously |:

I keep trying to avoid that, but apparently it's not easy.

Alrighty, I'm out. G'Night.

7:29 AM

G'night

Geoff Dalgas

7:45 AM

Ooo mouse hover over a tag on SO.. shiny new feature

8:20 AM

@RebeccaChernoff First plane crash! Congratulations!

@GeoffDalgas That is... very shiny

From the figures though I don't really think the number of subscribers is a useful figure to have there

8:32 AM

Hang on, what does subscribe do? For a second there I thought it's for the RSS but obviously it isn't, since the RSS link is right beside it

8:54 AM

@drachenstern I do, that's the whole point for me ;)

Why is Hotmail reminding me that my own birthday is tomorrow?

@YiJiang to remind you to remind us.

@radp Yo d00z! My homie's bDay is tmr, yo! Com'on round and have a slice of teh kake, ya!

@YiJiang Are you going to have reps giveaways? Then sing me in!

@radp I don't know, maybe I'll throw a hundred reps or so on a feature-req or a bug that needs fixing

Oh look, they took SE offline. Hmmm... back up again. That was fast

9:09 AM

also why did you just have to put a feature I so want to mod now that I'm swamped with work! :P

(take the tag name off the rss URL, call the API and fetch the number of questions for it instead of an useless subscriber count)

It'd be trickier to know via the API if you can or not edit a tag wiki.

@radp Not entirely useful either, but it's better than the number of email subscribers certainly

@YiJiang What would you suggest then, as the one main stat of tags?

(Question count is used pretty much everywhere next to a tag; that's why I mentioned it.)

@radp Removing that figure altogether, since you can pretty much see it everywhere anyway and the main reason why someone might want to hover over a tag isn't to see it's stats?

But you should open a feature req for that - I agree that having the number of email subscribers is very unuseful

@YiJiang well, the tag wiki increased visibility is awesome -- for sites that already do have tag wikis.

@radp I'm not saying remove the whole box, just the top figure displaying header

9:15 AM

The 2.5k rep req + top 20 user/bronze badge requirement doesn't make that easy..

@YiJiang I know what'd be more interesting than that.

"Number of people that have this tag as interesting"

like: "16,847 have interest in this tag (me too! - ignore - subscribe -rss)"

True, I thought about that, but the number isn't necessarily easy to calculate, give that we can also use '[tag*]' format for the interested tag thing

@YiJiang eh, maybe don't count those. While I do use wildcards I only do a fraction of the time.

Mainly when ignoring.

like *wii*

That reminds me, I need to name a city after radp. Hmmm... which one to pick

@YiJiang One you don't have an airport in.

@radp Okay... hmmm... not many

9:18 AM

Also, man, train railways are complicated in that game.

You need to study a manual about semaphores before you can really do anything.

@radp Very. I tried learning it by creating a network and then letting it grow organically. The result is a mess.

@YiJiang Heh, my first attempt was connecting two cities with two trains. I had to make one bridge in the middle. I also put the trainyard the wrong way round. You can imagine the output.

Hmmm... found a reasonably large city that doesn't have an airport. No guarantees I won't build one later though.

Any OpenTTD veteran will want to kill me now for creating such a monstrosity

@radp Signals. I use electronic signals exclusively.

I didn't see the 1×1 red and green pixels. Sorry.

@radp Only at this zoom level can you see the whole junction

9:23 AM

I take it those yellow and red tunnels are, um, erm, rotting trains lost forever?

or just bridges?

@radp Bridges. Tube bridges appear when you first have access to monorails (I think) and allow speeds of up to 600 km/h

There are also two tunnels there to allow East-West train services to cross over

My second attempt involved buses. It wasn't much better.

I connected a bus station to all four sides; buses still would get lost and ram the station from the wrong way round.

Originally it was a Y junction going in three directions, then I decided that I wanted it to become a full blown four directional one. The result it this mess.

@radp Heh, how did you mess up buses? They're a lot easier to manage than trains, that's for sure

The hardest part about buses is to keep the intervals between them constant

This is the result of my 'organically grown' train network. Looks sort of like the cables coming out of the back of my computer, only worse

10:05 AM

yay train crash.

@radp Oh bothers, what did you do this time? :P

Concurrency :P

@radp A race condition, I see

You need to refactor your railway lines

Should've put more stations in between

or exchanges or something

@radp Signals. Seriously, running multiple trains on a single line isn't too hard

10:10 AM

erm, erm, it let me build airports before the airplane was invented :|

@radp Which year on which type of map?

@YiJiang I'm doing things half-assedly,

You should have at least two types of planes available to start with

uh, I could've sworn the game started in 1850, it's 1950 instead.

I do not know what @YiJiang is doing but it frightens me a little

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10:28 AM

2 days ago, by Yi Jiang

Oh hey, another one at Jeff Atwood. That's Jeff 4, Marc 2 now

@radp Jeff and Marc are currently tied at 5, and Rebecca Chernoff and Nick Craver both have one each too

has anyone moused over a SE network tag recently?

Q: What does 'subscribe' in the Stack Exchange Shiny Hover Tag Information-o-Matic do?

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Now that tags have this erm... shiny thing which appears when you move your mouse over them (try it! waffles), one question remains: What in the billion blue blazes does the 'subscribe' button do? It's not RSS, since a traditional RSS feed link appears beside it, and clicking on it seems to inc...

support tags user-interface subscription

2 hours ago, by Geoff Dalgas

Ooo mouse hover over a tag on SO.. shiny new feature

I was expecting more outrage

10:32 AM

@JeffAtwood Eh... why?

@JeffAtwood nah, the added visibility of tag wikis is great.

Sure, some newer sites will look "untidy" for not having hardly any, but I guess this is an encouragement to get those going.

I always expect outrage

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To be fair Weblog is sleeping.

historically we've had a surprising amount of difficulty funneling users, who really should know better, to specific tags of interest

A common reaction is "why in the wide, wide world of sports would you be on the HOMEPAGE?"

go to the damn Java tag, or the C# tag, or the Python tag and hang out there!

nah, there's always the off chance I see an interesting question from other tags.

10:35 AM

so we've been trying to make tags more of an obvious destination

Sure, on SO that doesn't work as well.

anyway now you can 'fire and forget' by clicking subscribe and have the questions emailed to you

and rss was always there, though I have gotten very pessimistic about the value of RSS lately

SORRY "FEEDS", I KNOW DAVE WINER DIES INSIDE WHEN I SAY "RSS"

that whole Atom vs Rss thing was an embarrassment

classic pissing contest, the "winner" is the one covered in the most urine, I guess

Feeds

goes into a corner, sobbing

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RSS is useful to pump information into the "social graph"

I wouldn't want to follow a Twitter feed with all Ars Technica articles, but when I do find one interesting on GReader I can link to it on Twitter.

Stack Overflow Blog: How to Say Thanks in an Answer

I changed it so stackoverflow.com/questions/how-to-answer shows all sections

but in reality, the "pay it forward" is only shown to answers containing 'thanks' and "have the same problem?" is only shown to answers containing 'same' and 'problem' and the like

the bottom 5 items are constant

also if you have any feedback on

Jeff Atwood

After successfully implementing active assistance for new askers, we’d like to do the same thing for new answerers. So we’ve been analyzing characteristics of answers by new users to determine what makes an answer fundamentally good or bad.

One strong predictor of a poor quality answer may surprise you: the presence of the words thank or thanks in a short answer.

That’s right, the humble, innocent desire to thank your fellow man (or woman) for some question or answer they have contributed was sadly choking our system in thousands upon thousands of florid thank you “answers”. …

10:49 AM

The phrase 'active assistance' instantly reminds me of clippy

Barry

Is there anywhere where I can see all the tags that i have subscribed to via the new tag pop up window?

Other than hovering over it and seeing if I can unsubscribe

no, that is part of the hypothetical "greatest hits" unified profile on stackexchange.com

the emails will also have individual management links

@JeffAtwood Why not just stick it under the currently almost empty 'pref' tab on user profile for now then?

it's a se.com function

Or is this profile going to appear sooner than, say, six to eight week?

10:51 AM

meh

Barry

Is it worth me adding as a feature request on meta?

I don't want a [status-declined] :)

already there, multiple times

what, you thought you had an original suggestion? :)

Barry

@JeffAtwood Ha! no chance of that! :)

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11:14 AM

@radp lol

Q: Recent feature changes to Stack Exchange

11:28 AM

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It appears that there has been no move to create a formalized official repository of recent changes, so for now, we will be keeping track of it ourselves. RSS feed for this question

support faq

↑ now an official faq

I hope you didn't plan to edit the question text :P

Q: Tag bubbles on metas point to meta tags, not parent tags.

12:34 PM

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See this answer: all the "rss" and "help us edit this wiki" (and possibly the subscribe link too?) point to the meta site -- whereas a click on the link proper goes to the parent site. Reproducible on MSO: status-completed. The tag link points to Stack Overflow, where it doesn't exist, but fetc...

bug user-interface tag-bubble

Q: porting reputation from SO to programmer SE

12:57 PM

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As far as I understand, questions about discussion on design is now covered on progSE and so on. I am relatively annoyed by the fact that I can give a >10k support on SO, but on progSE I am at around 150, even if most of the reputation I have on SO is due to questions that may be now a better fit...

feature-request reputation integration

I've tried to formulate an answer as to why this would be bad, but I can't seem to come up with a coherent argument at the moment.

@ChrisF The only question here is, should SO questions about a topic be mass migrated to the more specific sites?

If yes, then reps are migrated too.

If no, then the reason against migration is the reason against reps migration.

I don't think rep is migrated at the moment at all. I can't find the reference though.

I guess the single most important reason against is the tagging.

@ChrisF Not automatically, perhaps. At the next recalc however it should, right?

@radp I'm not sure it is even then. I had an answer migrated from SU to SF but didn't get the rep even after a recalc.

:|

Q: Why is the reputation from transferred questions missing from reputation report?

1:04 PM

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UPDATE I would really liked to have awarded the bounty on this to an answer that indicated that "yes this is a bug and it will be fixed at some point", or better yet one that stated "this is now fixed", but it was not to be. Oh well. I answered a question on Super User on the 24th May 2010 that ...

bug reputation migration

Self answered - but links to:

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A: Questions about the Gadgets closure & migration

Reputation is not migrated between sites. Yes, flag any post that was not migrated and we'll address them. I have migrated the one you mentioned. There is no way to access the gadgets.stackexchange.com site - it is closed. The data dump is now available on the area51 proposal page for gadgets....

@ChrisF that might be dated info.

@Sathya Agreed, but I've no evidence to the contrary. I'd have to see a post of mine (with upvotes!) migrated and then see the corresponding rep increase.

@ChrisF Actually, no it's still valid

@ChrisF recent example would be

superuser.com/questions/228819/…

-- 2011-01-05 rep +10   = 523
 2     10931 (10)

on webapps, though I have +2

That mirrors my SU -> SF experience

@ChrisF I could've sworn the rep was increased by the right amount, the /reputation says otherwise

1:18 PM

That's what I thought too - but with my SF rep being so low I could see exactly where I'd got the votes from.

@ChrisF yeah, same's the case with my webapps account

1:42 PM

The truth is that going back to 101 rep sucks.

Although we should all be grateful for the association bonus. Life with 1 rep is much worse.

I suppose it sucks even worse when you see questions and answers with points being moved. You lose those points for good when then happens.

@ChrisF as in bounty?

of all, no edit & vote to close privs when you start afresh is a pain

No - if you've got an answer with 10 upvotes on site A that's migrated to site B. That's 100 points you lose on A due to post deletion but you don't get back on site B.

@Sathya I think that's the worst part. Getting to 3K is my goal on all sites I'm active on. Once I've done that I feel I can participate fully again.

@Sathya edit is okay -- vote to close no.

Just see the amount of migrated questions that get closed on arrival.

"Oh yeah a computer question that isn't about programming off to Super User you go!"
"Oh wait there's the word 'Game' in it, go go Gaming!"
"WTF? This is about a Game API. Off to Game Dev!"
"...but it's an api-rec! Sigh..."

1:48 PM

The blow is softened if you participate in a beta with their reduced rep levels.

@ChrisF yeah

↑ true story, except I recalled wrong -- there was no SU jump and no actual migration:

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4474030/what-is-the-most-popular-mmo-game-that-has-an-out-of-game-api-closed
http://gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/12918/what-is-the-most-popular-mmorpg-game-that-has-an-out-of-game-api
http://gamedev.stackexchange.com/questions/6648/what-is-the-most-popular-mmorpg-game-that-has-an-out-of-game-api

Josh

2:35 PM

@radp sorry I don't understand what you meant by:

14 hours ago, by radp

@Josh is it you with the book open?

@Josh I think he's asking if you're the one editing the Book of Rchern at that time

@YiJiang Well there was one person using Chrome Dev (or Canary) looking at it -- I guessed that was rchern but couldn't be sure.

Josh

Ahhhh. No I forgot to update my status, I was AFK then :-)

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3:06 PM

@YiJiang nice link in your status

@radp Yeah, pretty sad that he no longer updates Copper, still they make for very interesting reads

Carson Myers

naggers!

3:24 PM

Hang on a sec, when did blog.stackoverflow change to blog.stackexchange?

@YiJiang it... didn't?

Hm?

It's on both domains.

nods

It could be links are migrating to blog.SE as opposed to blog.SO

3:26 PM

Oh, the one on MSO and SO goes to blog.so, the ones on SE sites goes to blog.se

SU goes to blog.SO and SF goes to blog.SF I guess

@radp Yup. The one for SF doesn't show the 'new' thingadongdong

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3:58 PM

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discussion badges

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