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Josh

4:00 PM

@MichaelMrozek your attempt to extract two stars out of me has FAILED

Sorry, better luck next time

badp

@MichaelMrozek To make this day more special, I'll worry about giving you that second star indeed.

Michael Mrozek

@Josh Now I find myself wanting to invent a star extractor. It would be similar to this:

►

Nyuszika7H

Hi there! :)

badp

Although to be fair all serial starrers should've starred their allowance today between 0000-0012 UTC

Josh

@Nyuszika7H why hello yourself!

Nyuszika7H

4:02 PM

@Josh Huh?

Diago

Is there still a chat feedback room?

Tim Stone

chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/rooms/77/chat-feedback

Nyuszika7H

@Diago chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/rooms/77/chat-feedback

Diago

Nevermind

Found it

Nyuszika7H

@TimStone oh you've beaten me :D

Tim Stone

4:03 PM

:P

badp

> A great number of people wrote in to note that it's EPOCH Day 15000, so don't expect the post office to run, and I'm pretty sure the markets will be closed. And presumably your employer gave you a paid vacation day? - CmdrTaco

Diago

But thanks @TimStone @Nyuszika7H

Tim Stone

Any time :)

Popular Demand

@MichaelMrozek And to think, I was just about to upvote you for SO mod now that I rebooted.

Josh

@Nyuszika7H I was just saying hello. never mind me, half of what I say is pointless noise :-)

Michael Mrozek

4:04 PM

@PopularDemand When I'm done with your posts you won't be able to vote in the election at all. (This is a long-term downvoting strategy)

Nyuszika7H

@TimStone Challenge: type in The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog. before me – no cheating with copy-pasting!

Tim Stone

...I'm good. :P

Nyuszika7H

The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog.

Reno

im am that lazy dog

Nyuszika7H

@TimStone You're slow :P

Diago

4:05 PM

@TimStone Would you mind editing my answer with that link? I have to run out and won't have time to update it?

Nyuszika7H

And who's the quick brown fox?

Tim Stone

@Diago I'll prod someone else to on account of my lack of editing power, sure :)

Reno

idk, idc

Josh

@TimStone I has edit powerz

Popular Demand

@MichaelMrozek Earlier, you said "today." Which is it? Today, or long-term? Alas, it sems you're just another politician who makes too many promises he can't keep....

Reno

4:05 PM

only because im lazy

Tim Stone

0

A: Are the (soon to be) newly elected Stack Overflow moderators Meta Stack Mods?

Before Stack Exchange the rule was that every trilogy moderator is also a Meta Stack Overflow moderator. However, I do recall a conversation recently where it was mentioned that Meta Stack Overflow now has too many moderators. I do however believe that Stack Overflow moderators at least should h...

Michael Mrozek

@PopularDemand It's every day, but using a downvote today only affects the number of downvotes I can use today

Diago

@TimStone Dammit, just noticed, sorry. @Josh or @PopularDemand can one of you add Tim's comment to my answer. I need to run out quick

Thanks!

Josh

Sure

nvm

Popular Demand

@MichaelMrozek Too late. I hereby declare you caught in your own web of lies.

Tim Stone

4:07 PM

@PopularDemand Is this what you were looking for RE: duplicate feature request?

48

Q: Filter view to show only interested

I've noticed that do to the high volume of activity on the site it appears as though only questions that were asked or answered in the last ten minutes are appearing on the main page of the site, meaning if you asked the question 15 minutes ago it won't appear on the main page anymore until it ge...

Nyuszika7H

<?php
    $_USERS = mysql_query('SELECT * FROM USERS');
    $qU = $_USERS['quick']['quickest'];
?>

.......................................................................................................................................

Josh

@Diago done

Tim Stone

Thanks Josh :)

Nyuszika7H

Result: @TimStone

Tim Stone

\o/

Nyuszika7H

4:09 PM

@TimStone (the quick brown fox) jumps over @Reno (the lazy dog).

Josh

@TimStone sure thing, if that is not how you'd edit, just edit me know

badp

sigh, Slashdot got webbier 2.0 and, in the process, broke its keyboard navigation

Tim Stone

@Josh Works for me, I'm sure if Diago has something else in mind he'll fix it up later.

Josh

cool

Reno

what just happened

Josh

4:10 PM

That is one FAT dog

Pollyanna

@badp - I'll just pop down to dexter and ask cmdrtaco wtf for you.

ChrisF

and we thought our dog was getting fat

Popular Demand

@TimStone Hm, not quite, but a good link anyways.

Nyuszika7H

How do I make SO forget my last draft when asking a question?

Fosco

give it a new one to remember..

Josh

4:12 PM

@Nyuszika7H Just make a new draft

Tim Stone

@PopularDemand Ah, well I tried. :P

Nyuszika7H

@Josh If I clear the title, the related questions are still there. :/

Josh

@Nyuszika7H just ignore it. the next question tyou answer will overwrite this draft

badp

@Pollyanna If you do, it's about the 'D' key, it's supposed to collapse the current message and move to the next comment following hierarchy (so it'd give focus to the first child comment if there's any), except now collapsing a comment hides all of its children.

Nyuszika7H

Anyway, it's very annoying.

Josh

4:13 PM

6

Q: How do I delete the draft posting?

How do I delete these draft things? I wrote an answer to a question then decided not to post but the draft answer won't go away. I've tried closing the browser and starting it again, and also tried blanking out the box, but neither of these ideas worked.

support draft

Popular Demand

@TimStone Which is weird, since you're not Grace Note.

Josh

@Nyuszika7H just ignore it :-)

Tim Stone

@PopularDemand I know, right?

Fosco

is out to lunch

Popular Demand

@TimStone New theory: you are a sockpuppet of Grace Note, who is itself a sockpuppet of rchern.

Pollyanna

4:17 PM

@rebecca - Regarding "7 star != pin." how many stars are required to pin something?

;-P

Rebecca Chernoff

over 9000.

Michael Mrozek

Test message <-- star over 9000 times please

4

Pollyanna

Rats. I'm going to need another 4,000 sockpuppet accounts.

badp

1...

Tim Stone

@PopularDemand I cannot confirm or deny that.

Popular Demand

4:25 PM

We need an Elections SE so I can ask for a layman's explanation of how Meek STV works.

Tim Stone

We need a link to the repository where you can download OpenSTV instead of them trying to swindle you out of $5.

Michael Mrozek

When SO first started using that I spent about a day on Wikipedia reading all about voting methods; it's extremely interesting

Moshe

@Polyanna do you speak russian fluently?

I am looking for people to translate my game into non-English languages.

Michael Mrozek

@Moshe Maybe you should see how it does in English first?

badp

guys, you suck at testing.

Moshe

4:32 PM

@MichaelM well what's the harm in launching in multiple languages?

Michael Mrozek

@Moshe It requires getting a bunch of people to volunteer to do the translation

Moshe

@badp - huh?

badp

14 mins ago, by Michael Mrozek

Test message <-- star over 9000 times please

Moshe

@Micheal - True. Which is what I'm trying to do.

@MichaelM - I just feel that if I release it with more languages and larger device support (iPad), then it makes more "noise", and will generate more users.

Does that make sense?

Michael Mrozek

Well of course releasing in more languages is likely to get you more users, but it requires a bunch of people to help. If you release in English and people like it it'll be easy to get people to translate it; it's harder when you're recruiting people for a project they've never seen or heard of

Moshe

4:38 PM

Well @Pollyanna knows the game's concept. Its dope wars for iOS. With sushi.

I hear your point though.

badp

The problem with translation is audience

If it isn't easy getting critical mass with a site in English, how will a site in Dutch fare?

That's my main issue with localized SEs

I'd rather have a poorly translated answer on SO than a well phrased programming answer in a language I can't understand

status-completed

@badp Was that a reference to Perl ?

Shog9

Best of both worlds: poorly-translated answer on SO that you can't understand!

Moshe

@badp that's my point. If I can launch with more translations, it will help the app get "critical mass" in popularity.

badp

@Moshe You can translate the software, not the content

Moshe

4:43 PM

So does anyone speak non-English here?

Oui

Certo

ya mon

@badp - what fo you mean by not translating content? Also, do you mind doing a bit of translating?

ChrisF

Je ne parle pas français

Moshe

4:45 PM

@status-c you?

phwd

@ChrisF C'est horrible!

Moshe

Ok. So does anyone here mind translating?

ChrisF

Ich spreche kein Deutsch

badp

@Moshe Intendo dire che non puoi far tradurre anche i contenuti. Se hai un sito in italiano, verrà usato in italiano da italiani.

status-completed

@Moshe Est-ce que quelqu'un peut traduire ?

badp

4:46 PM

sits back and waits for others to fire up Google Translate

phwd

lol

Moshe

?

status-completed

I translated your question

If that's what you wanted

Nyuszika7H

@statuscompleted Is there someone who can translate? Yes.

Moshe

*waits too because I can't copy From iOS *

badp

4:47 PM

well, obviously one can come up with heuristics

status-completed

I can do you a decent French translation, if you don't have too much stuff to translate

ChrisF

Instead of a captcha, Facebook security will ask you to name your friends. http://on.fb.me/hpVLG8 That's going to give some people problems!

Tweeted by jackschofield on January 26, 2011 at 4:43 PM

2

Moshe

@status-c no I have a game I need translated. It's not a large game though. Text based and whatnot.

badp

def translate(post, from, to = English):
  if post.is_answer() and post.tagged("javascript") or post.tagged("jquery"):
    return "You should totally drop that and use jQuery instead."
  #...

Moshe

Anyone who doesn't mind translating please email me with your sn and what language you can help with.

Email:
Yetanotheriphoneapp

Gmail

status-completed

4:49 PM

@Moshe What email ? I can check that tonight after work

badp

@Moshe oh, I thought you meant translating SE.

Moshe

@status-c look up

No. I am talking about Nippon, my dope wars likeness for iOS.

status-completed

@ChrisF that's going to be funny for people that have tons of friend that they just dont know

Nyuszika7H

如果你翻譯這一點，你就會得到10公里個代表在午夜。 <= Come on, translate this!!

Moshe

I would be really happy if people would help. Translators get promo codes if they want.

ChrisF

4:51 PM

@statuscompleted Or when your friend has a picture of their dog, kids, some movie star, some random object....

status-completed

@ChrisF ya, this is also very common.

Moshe

Heh. @ChrisF Are you fluent in German?

ChrisF

@Moshe No. I used Google Translate ;)

Moshe

I guess I can't expect People to commit to a project not knowing what it entails.

Heh.

Rebecca Chernoff

Erm, they've had that already? I feel like when I was traveling overseas I got prompted and had to name 5 out of 10 friends (they let you skip a few).

Moshe

4:53 PM

So I will try to get the list of words and put it somewhere.

ChrisF

@Nyuszika7H According to Google it reads "If you translate this, you will get 10 km represents at midnight" which I suspect isn't 100% right ;)

@RebeccaChernoff They could have been testing it and now it's rolling out across the whole network.

Moshe

No it is. :p

Nyuszika7H

@ChrisF It was supposed to be If you translate this, you will get 10k rep at midnight.

Rebecca Chernoff

Yeah, maybe. I'd have said this was from something like 2 years ago though.

Moshe

So it is.

ChrisF

4:54 PM

@Nyuszika7H It was close. I thought about editing it, but that would have been cheating.

Nyuszika7H

@ChrisF Actually, it says If you translate that, you get 10 kilometers representing at midnight for me.

Moshe

Ok. So my offer stands. Testers and translators are eligible for promo codes.

Yetanotheriphoneapp AT Google's email service

status-completed

@Moshe I'll contact you tonight, but I doubt promo code will be any use for me.

I don't have an iphone or android.

Moshe

ok. Thanks. Perhaps you have a friend who could use it.

ChrisF

@Moshe If it's only words and short phrases why don't you run them through Google and then ask people to double check you haven't got nonsense. They might be more willing/able to do that rather than the whole thing.

Moshe

4:58 PM

Good idea @ChrisF!

I have to run now. See ya!

Michael Myers

All right, who keeps pinging me from this room?

Tim Stone

@MichaelMyers Someone was pinging you?

Shog9

@MichaelMyers, @MichaelMyers, @MichaelMyers

Tyler Chacha

@MichaelMyers Someone is pinging you?

@MichaelMyers I don't know who is pinging you..

Tim Stone

Well, I was being serious, but :P

Tyler Chacha

4:59 PM

@MichaelMyers You should look into that...

@MichaelMyers

Shog9

tell me, @TylerChacha... HAVE YOU, LIKE @MichaelMyers, VOTED FOR GORTOK YET?

Tyler Chacha

tell me and @MichaelMyers, who is GORTOK?

Michael Myers

George Stocker, young 'un.

Tyler Chacha

I think @MichaelMyers is regretting this..

ChrisF

What's @MichaelMyers regretting?

Shog9

5:01 PM

I'm regretting @MichaelMyers' loose lips

Tyler Chacha

@ChrisF I think @MichaelMyers is regretting asking you was pinging him

@ChrisF Because now @MichaelMyers keeps getting pinged. Like @MarcGravell

Michael Myers

@Shog9 That just sounds wrong.

Shog9

yeah, @MichaelMyers, I regretted it as soon as I posted it

Michael Myers

Hmph. The chat told me that one message didn't go through, so I posted the other. Then they both showed up.

Shog9

Chat'll mess with you like that. It's @balpha's passive-aggressive side showing through

Michael Myers

5:05 PM

Annnnywayyyy. @Moshe, when you @MichaelM, that still gets two of the three.

Rebecca Chernoff

so stick with @Michael for full potential.

Michael Mrozek

I question the sanity of pinging all matches when you do that. What are the odds somebody wants to talk to everyone with the name "Michael" in a room, as opposed to a particular person?

Michael Myers

Well, maybe someone wants to get in touch with the powerful Michael lobby.

Michael Mrozek

There are official channels for that

Shog9

5:19 PM

Well... Right now, I only see "Michael" displayed for the lot of you - window isn't wide enough for last names. So typing @Michael saves me the trouble of trying to figure out who it is I'm addressing.

Michael Myers

It occurs to me that there's really no advantage to tying my real name with my meta activity.

Moshe

@MichealMy - I can add the extra letter if you want.

Nyuszika7H

is leaving for a hour

Michael Myers

@Moshe Also, A before E. But it's ok. I'm good now.

Shog9

@mmyers now, now... Maybe you want to sabotage your career!

mmyers

5:35 PM

You are now free to @Michael or @MichaelM all you want as far as I'm concerned. >:)

Shog9

@m.. bah.

Michael Petrotta

Consider yourselves free to @MichaelM all day and night. The various @Michaels, not so much.

Ok, @Moshe, I'm taking this opportunity to ask you a question. Don't take it personally.

Rebecca Chernoff

@balpha well done (;

Michael Petrotta

What's up with misspelling "Michael"? Seems like it's a 50% thing, "Michael" vs. "Micheal". Is it so hard? It's a pretty common first name...

Popular Demand

@MichaelPetrotta People get used to seeing e after h because of Michelle (and Michel, in Europe, I suppose).

Michael Petrotta

5:44 PM

It ain't right.

Popular Demand

Also not helpful: the Michelin Man.

2

Michael Petrotta

grumble

Xaade

Just think Mik-ell and the problem fixes itself.... E beside L

Not Mik-hal

Solution to the @Name = @Nameless problem.
Whenever you type @something it shows available names?
Show the icon with the name.... woot.

Zypher

oh what the hell ... chrome doesn't support html 5 wav audio

balpha

6:16 PM

@RebeccaChernoff that post took longer than the fix, but I couldn't resist a remark re the "wasting 4 bytes" questions :)

Rebecca Chernoff

no doubt (;

hmm ahem

badp

it does make one wonder why the HTML also isn't minified tbh

Rebecca Chernoff

in The Comms Room on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 29 mins ago, by Zypher

yea .. but it's better here than the MSO tavern!

badp

but does minifying really matter when you also gzip?

balpha

@badp I think there's a Meta answer by Jeff somewhere saying he actually tested it, and after gzip the difference was minimal

badp

6:18 PM

@balpha still you minify js :)

balpha

you can minify a lot more in JS than in HTML

as an aside, I just fixed a small bug in the threading-comments userscript; if anyone's using it, you might want to update

I see what you did there... http://i.imgur.com/oZ4wk.gif

Tweeted by lizardbill on January 26, 2011 at 5:41 PM

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff Blasphemy!

4 hours ago, by Dan Grossman

balpha

Oh, I see what lizardbill did there...

badp

@balpha I wish Chromium autoupdated user scripts

Matt Ball

...or synced them >:(

Tyler Chacha

6:27 PM

I've gotten so many popular question badges..

just got one for the Meta Image contest..

balpha

I got my "Good answer" for the meta image today. Someone must have discovered it :)

Tyler Chacha

lol

it was an interesting image..

Moshe

Meta image contest?

Tyler Chacha

Yes

Meta

Image

Contest

35

Q: Meta Image Contest

On Meta, we have many 'meta' memes. Unicorns, waffles, etc. We even have an entire sub-category of memes specifically designed for images, such as free-hand circles and lens flares. Well, it is times to put both your artistic skills, along with your meme knowledge to action! I am offering a 550...

discussion meta-meta waffles contest

badp

6:43 PM

@balpha before you start fixing the "-140" bug, I've found a fix for it so unlike @TimStone I'll share it with you

you're welcome.

Tyler Chacha

@badp Why must you ruin our fun?

badp

@TylerChacha I reject your fun and replace it with my own.

Tyler Chacha

WHEEL OF BLAME!!!

Popular Demand

@badp Shouldn't the down arrow be lit up, there?

badp

@PopularDemand Clearly, it makes no difference there.

Michael Mrozek

6:55 PM

1

A: "How To Ask" tips are gone

We are currently under a build freeze but this will go out with the next one - hopefully tonight.

balpha

@badp sorry, but I can't use that; we're preparing a change to allow arbitrary complex numbers as vote counts, and the Riemann sphere only has one infinity.

Michael Mrozek

is curious

balpha

@MichaelMrozek because of the build freeze?

that's because of the lucene search testing

Tim Stone

@balpha He doesn't realize how cold it is outside.

badp

@balpha interesting, you're going to implement both vote capping and four directional voting in just one shot!

what's the extra dimension, lol ←→ oy?

Michael Mrozek

6:57 PM

@balpha Ah. Curiosity sated

balpha

@badp yes, because those aren't real votes. Get it? GET IT???

badp

@balpha Meta voting. I approve.

Rebecca Chernoff

|:

badp

Are we going to have an "oy" star in chat too, while we are at it?

Michael Mrozek

I asked a question on BCG solely to get 2 more rep so I can get to the close dialog and test something. I feel a little bad

badp

6:59 PM

(you know, so I can filter out "oy" stars from my list)

mmyers

@balpha Your system is too complex.

badp

@mmyers Stop making up imaginary problems.

balpha

@badp no, "oy"s aren't commutative, because (: != :)

mmyers

(:=:) is a tie fighter?

badp

@balpha take the rchern of emoticons, I say.

It's a quite complex function but your new hire @RebeccaChernoff can make it happen!

...in O(0)

Michael Mrozek

7:01 PM

O(oy)

mmyers

Oyo Empire

The Oyo Empire was a Yoruba empire of what is today western and northern Nigeria. The empire was established by the Yoruba in the 14th century and grew to become the largest West African states encountered by pre colonial explorers. It rose to preeminence through the outstanding organizational skills of The Yoruba, wealth gained from trade and its possession of a powerful cavalry. The Oyo Empire was the most politically important state in the region from the mid-17th to the late 18th century, holding sway not only over other kingdoms in modern day Nigeria, Benin, and Togo, but also over o...

balpha

'Congratulations on your purchase. To begin using your quantum computer, set the power switch to both off and on simultaneously.'

Tweeted by fadereu on December 25, 2010 at 2:42 PM

badp

Just use this cable to power it

mmyers

@balpha "Uh, yes, tech support, my name is Schrodinger. I think it is both on and off, but no, I don't think I can check it."

balpha

Moshe

7:06 PM

@Josh?

Popular Demand

5

Q: Ability to protect a question from the flags list

I have the same issue! Mee toooo! I tried this but it didn't work. If you find a solution can you email me at douche@bag.com? Hi am new android and also same issue please if help can do now thanks. Is nobody going to answer this? OMG this is a lifesaver! Thansk! Thanks a Billion!!!!!! It w...

feature-request moderation moderator-tools

badp

Oh well, while I'm gifting mah reps to the communist rep cap I might as well post more silly crap

Pekka

yesterday, by Jeff Atwood

Quora is like Stack Overflow for douchebags.

One day, there will be a book about Stack Overflow, and this quote will be in it.

2

Popular Demand

@Pekka Does it really count as being "in it" if it's the title?

4

Pekka

@PopularDemand hahahaha

balpha

7:16 PM

funnily enough, the distinction made on yesterday's Guardian tech podcast was that Quora is more for open questions, and Stack Overflow more for... wait for it... closed questions.

2

Popular Demand

@balpha instantrimshot.com

badp

balpha

they also established on that podcast that Joel Spolsky isn't wearing a leather dress

Rebecca Chernoff

I question their source on that one...

Pekka

WHAT?

I CAN'T HEAR YOU
I JUST CAME IN FROM THE ALL CAPS ROOM

IS IT JUST ME OR IS CHAT BEHAVING WEIRDLY TODAY?

my hearing's coming back, finally

it jumps up a few thousand pixels and then scrolls down when I post something

Moshe

7:20 PM

@Pekka - can you translate my game into German?

Pekka

@Moshe what kind of game?

Rebecca Chernoff

status-norepro

Michael Mrozek

@badp I'm pretty sure we need $('input#submit-button').attr('type', 'image').attr('src', 'http://i.imgur.com/X2idZ.gif'); added to the userscript immediately

Pekka

@RebeccaChernoff hold on, I'll switch browsers

Nyuszika7H

status-ALLCAPS

@Pekka It happened for me too, several times. It jumps up, then scrolls down slowly. Weird. (Chrome 10.0.642.2 dev)

balpha

7:23 PM

BBANS!

Pekka

@Nyu same here, Chrome 9

or 10 or 11 or something, it's hard to keep track with them

Nyuszika7H

@Pekka Tab to autocomplete ;)

Pekka

Ah, 10.0.642.2 for me, too.

@Nyuszika7H fair enough :)

This SUCKS!

Tim Stone

@balpha It happens sometimes when your previous message didn't go through and then you post something else, or something. Even on non-beta browsers. :P

But it happens almost never (for me) so I haven't bothered to poke at it, heh.

balpha

yeah, that I know. But I'm pretty sure Pekka is talking about something else

Pekka

7:24 PM

Hi, this is me on IE8

Just testing....

Works.

Tim Stone

Ah

Pekka

Then it's Chrome specific

I did a hard reload

balpha

it's Chrome beta specific

Pekka

No, still there.

balpha

works fine in chrome 8

Rebecca Chernoff

7:25 PM

It is only if a message fails to send

Pekka

@balpha strange, I have had this browser for two weeks already

Rebecca Chernoff

Not every message

Pekka

@RebeccaChernoff @rchern nope, I have it all the time, with every message I send, including this one

Rebecca Chernoff

(If it's the same thing I saw a couple months ago when my connection was having issues)

ah, never mind (:

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff We already went over that ;)

Rebecca Chernoff

7:26 PM

goes back to working (:

Pekka

But this may be my connection's fault, it's been flaky all day

If nobody else can repro, I'd tend to disregard it

@RebeccaChernoff yeah, me too :)

Tim Stone

also works, to keep up appearances

2

balpha

@Pekka I'll listen closely if you can reproduce it in a production version :)

Pekka

@balpha yeah yeah :)

That quote from Jeff would be a fine candidate for first quote on his not-yet-existing Wikiquotes page :D

Moshe

@Pekka A Dope-Wars likeness for iOS.

Popular Demand

7:40 PM

Anyone who has SO mod flags left for today: you can blow through them by modifying the "thanks" custom search at /review to search for "thx" instead.

badp

@PopularDemand stackoverflow.com/review/… is empty

Popular Demand

@badp stackoverflow.com/review/…

(You had it set to "day.")

badp

@PopularDemand Yeah, well, no need to blow flags on stuff from May 08

Moshe

7:56 PM

@Josh?

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