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9:00 PM
I'm thinking the connection reset should be investigated further ...
 
Speaking of the rate limiter, it being mean to me last night. I could understand it in the morning when I opened 78 tabs to SE sites at once. But 12 hours later when I was waiting 5 minutes to hit f5, blah! >_<
 
@RebeccaChernoff 78?
I mean, I open like 4 but ...
 
@drachenstern Why do you think she was hired on as a community manager?
 
We have a lot of sites plus a lot of child metas LOL. Once they're open they're easy to ctrl+tab through. And it is easy to right-click on a bookmark folder and say "open all"
 
jeez
i think that a user bug not a program bug
 
9:01 PM
@GeorgeMarian Hahah, indeed.
 
less than three
 
@Zypher Yeah, really. >_>
 
status-by-design
 
But that doesn't explain the rate limiter hating me something like 12 hours later grumbles
 
@RebeccaChernoff It was still pissed off from before!
 
9:02 PM
Are you sure it was the rate limiter?
 
@Zypher - what question(s) should I be asking my ISP as it seems to be their problem?
 
@TimStone I love the fact that it's possible, but hate the fact that it's necessary.
 
I'ld ask 'em why they're wankers, but apparently everyone should be asked that question a few times a day so ...
 
My problem is I know a bit about networking and I know I need to be precise when reporting difficult problems to support desks ;)
 
@ChrisF "Why do you guys suck so much?" :)
 
9:03 PM
hmmm
 
is being quiet and letting Zypher answer
 
@drachenstern Ooops, too many requests from your ip, we can't serve any more to you right now. Come back later. Yeah, pretty sure. q:
 
well you'll be hitting tier 1 ... so i would keep it simple, just say "I'm getting a connection reset error when trying to connect to a website, and I have worked with the admins to verify the issue is not on their end"
 
...COUGHshibboleetCOUGH
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@RebeccaChernoff sounds like you can report that one internally? :p ... I'm curious if it's because of all those sites being open ... are you hitting it from SE from the multicollider? Does it happen more often when you get notified?
 
9:05 PM
@RebeccaChernoff Just scream at it "I AM AN EMPLOYEE NOW, LET ME IN YOU STUPID HAPROXY!"
 
@drachenstern [status-by-design]
 
@Zypher her sitting idle resulting in her being denied access is [status-by-design]?
 
in other words ... don't open 78 frickin' tabs at once
 
Is it OK to tell them the urls? I'm sure they'll ask.
 
she said it happens in the evening
 
9:06 PM
@drachenstern Yeah, all SE systems have a special code path for @RebeccaChernoff
 
@ChrisF yes, in case it's a routing issue internally
 
well you piss off our scripts enough ...
they have a mind of their own
 
I think it's done as part of the job interview.
 
@drachenstern No, this was completely and totally separate from opening all tabs. I did that in the morning. I got the rate limiter then but just waited. I browser the network all day and was fine. Then something like 12 hours later I got rate limited just doing light browsing. I just figured it was remnants. q: I only mentioned it because the limiter was mentioned.
 
@TimStone lol, so you mean that it doesn't want her to sit idle for so long then? :p
 
9:08 PM
@drachenstern No, it just arbitrarily causes trouble. :P
You know there's a Math.random() in there somewhere.
 
@RebeccaChernoff gotcha on the 12 hours later. I'm following, trying to move into debugging by curiousity ... has it only happened the once or twice then, or is it regularly?
@TimStone I meant like /assign @RebeccaChernoff moar :p
 
switch(user) {
case 'Jeff':
case 'Joel':
case 'Unicorn':
case 'Waffle':
case 'Oy':
case 'Dad':
case 'Guns':
...
 
Exactly.
 
:457116
Test of code formatting
Feh.
 
Heh
 
9:15 PM
Question posted. Lets see what they come back with
 
Posted?
 
Via their web interface ;)
 
Oh, I figured you were gonna call and annoy someone
 
Oh, SU/SF elections started. Nice
 
I suppose it is a wee bit after normal business hours tho eh?
 
9:17 PM
 
@drachenstern They don't like that.
 
@GeorgeMarian Why would someone think that was a good idea?
 
@ChrisF meh, in the US we make it a habit of annoying the piss out of everyone, ISPs, ISP Clients, etc :p
 
However, if I don't get a suitable answer I will
 
checks on his internet connection statistics
 
9:23 PM
@drachenstern "At the moment we're averaging a response time of 2 hours 16 minutes 23 seconds for new queries." So I might get an answer tonight
 
Wow ...
 
They're quite good. I lost internet connection on the Wednesday (22nd) before Christmas and got it back on Boxing Day (Sunday 26th)
 
@MichaelMrozek where are these again?
 
@Josh There's system messages on the sites, but the direct links are superuser.com/election and serverfault.com/election
 
@Josh There's a big banner thingadongdong :P
 
9:26 PM
@MichaelMrozek Sorry. Somehow I read "SF" as "SO"
@TimStone yes I see now. I am an idiot, thanks. I'm aware.
 
OK, sometimes getting the notifications without immediately remembering the context of the conversation is offputting:
Oh, it didn't copy..but the message I was notified of was this:
in The Bridge on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 1 min ago, by thethinman
@Tim Notice the foursome. I win for encouraging raptor reproduction.
 
@ChrisF your definition of good and mine differ ... by a margin that wouldn't register on a ruler ...
 
@Josh You just got PCI compliance, I feel like that moves you out of the idiot category. ;)
 
HAHA thanks :-)
I lost the golf tournament though... ;-)
 
@drachenstern I wasn't expecting a response until after the 26th what with UK holidays etc.
 
9:30 PM
@ChrisF I still expect them to at least have a tech or two manning the call centers/NOC ... I've never met an ISP that didn't have a few individuals manning the NOC during holidays
 
@Josh Oh, damn. I was rooting for you too, since you would have been obligated to share the winnings.
 
@TimStone When I went out of bounds on the third hole it was all downhill from there, LOL
 
@drachenstern Oh no - I was on the phone to them on the Wednesday and Thursday, but it's the UK we're talking about.
 
22 of the 186 questions on the scifi beta are closed...
 
@ChrisF apparently growing up in the South where things take time hasn't prepared me to live with that sort of delayed response ... and I do mean the Deep South (where the colonies sent the prisoners, and beyond)
 
9:32 PM
@drachenstern I actually think that Comcast goes to great lengths to find people who will work those hours, so that if you're foolish enough to call then you'll learn to regret asking for support.
 
Question for iOS users:
I'm making a "Dope Wars" clone
Should version 1 include achievements?
I've got Leader boards going already.
 
@MichaelMrozek scifi beta? no way!
 
oh god ... so much wasted time @Moshe
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DO WANT!
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uhg @josh
 
9:34 PM
@Zypher Like chatting in here isn't wasted time? ;-)
 
@Zypher Why is that wasted time? Dope Wars was a classic. I'm making a similar game for iOS.
 
@Josh uhg a scfi beta
@moshe wasted time on dope wars
 
Ah, well, you might want this one then.
 
wasted time looking for it after it's hey day
and only getting crappy clones that weren't really fun
and didn't bring back the memories
 
@Zypher - Got an iOS device?
 
9:35 PM
Oh. I was bamboozled by your lack of usage of the reply function @Zypher
 
so much time wated chasing that dragon
yea went back and fixed it
 
@Zypher thus making me look silly ;-)
 
@Zypher - Is it OK if we're trading something else?
 
@Moshe yep brand new iPod touch
 
Oy. Two steps forward, one step back.
 
9:35 PM
@Zypher - Cool, you wanna beta test?
I need an email and a UDID.
 
DON'T DO IT @Zypher!!!!
 
haha
 
@GeorgeMarian It better not be fiction.
 
@Josh Why not?
 
@Moshe Just because. :-)
(I'm totally joking)
 
9:36 PM
I know.
 
You must know I'm joking. You're starring everything I say.
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@Zypher - Are ye' interested?
@Josh indeed.
 
@TimStone Ha. Nope, totally non-fiction. My back's killing me. (At least, that's distracting me from the neck pain.) Yesterday was a very good day. Today, not so much.
 
@Zypher & @drachenstern thanks for your help with my connection problem. I'll let you know what my ISP says.
 
@Moshe sure ... i'll email ya that info when i get a second
@ChrisF np
 
9:37 PM
@GeorgeMarian Oh, ouch. :/ Hopefully things will pick up again tomorrow then, middle of the week and what not.
 
@Zypher take down my email, going to redact momentarily.
@Zypher got that?
 
ja
 
@Moshe you know he's an admin right? ;-)
 
@Moshe also i'm a mod so i can grab it outta your profile :)
 
Ah, ok
Well, all the better.
 
9:39 PM
(my point exactly)
 
He can also just remotely log into your computer and steal all your dataz.
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@Zypher - Do you think Achievements would fit the game?
 
Damnit @TimStone why'd you have to let the genie out of the bottle no more rovio for you
 
@TimStone Ironically, I think I just saw a position for which I was submitted show up on Craiglist. I have a feeling it's the lack of Coldfusion experience that may be the issue. (Who in the world still uses Coldfusion? WTF?)
 
hmm @Moshe yea i think it would add to the replayability
 
9:40 PM
@Zypher Oh no, what have I done! :(
 
Ah, well...what doesn't kill us makes us strong. Unless, it's poison...
 
besides just wanting to beat your high score
 
@Zypher True. I need to design the random events too.
 
@GeorgeMarian I see a surprising number of CF questions on SO. And by surprising number I'm referring to the fact that I see any at all.
 
@Zypher - I warn you though, the game does not trade drugs. (If you're looking for authenticity.)
 
9:40 PM
I guess if you work with the Adobe stack...
 
I am following the B&W version for Palm OS.
 
Aug 26 '10 at 18:14, by Shog9
Mods can also come into your house at night and leave your milk out. Some mod abilities aren't talked about much.
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@TimStone I had considered learning it way back when. Then I took a look at it and said "Why?"
 
...wait for it...
 
@PopularDemand have a star for an obscure old reference :-)
 
9:41 PM
gasps at leaked screenshot of unreleased game
@TimStone Huh?
 
@Moshe i don't see drugs getting through our moral guides at apple
 
Deleted messages make my posts irrelivant
 
@GeorgeMarian Yeah...I don't really...get it either.
 
Nippon is Japanese for Japan.
 
@Moshe Oh, man...what was the game? Nothing but a data screen, but for some reason so engaging.
 
9:42 PM
@Zypher Exactly, hence... Sushi.
 
mmm sushi
 
@ChrisF yeppers
 
Exactly. Oshi, Maki, Nagiri etc.
 
@Josh It's easier for me to delete that than write an explanation. :P
 
@Moshe it's still in the history you know chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/messages/457222/history
 
9:43 PM
Can we get a mod on that? (@Zypher) ?
@Josh Only deleted posts make your posts irrelevant?
 
...wait for it...
 
@Moshe No, but they help :-)
Half of what I say is irrelevant anyway
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This is 2011. I demand everything instantaneously, I'm tired of this waiting nonsense.
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@drachenstern Picard 'n' Riker.
 
The other half of what I say is pointless noise...
 
9:46 PM
@TimStone This is 2012. I demand everything instant... what? It's not? I demand that it become 2012 instantaneously!
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Yay, more nonsense is being starred instantaneously!
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Nice work there @Moshe, 3 stars in 5 seconds
 
As someone who doesn't follow this room 24/7 and used to use the star list to try and catch the good moments, I'd like to thank whoever keeps doing that -- you're the best
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@PopularDemand it wasn't before I pointed it out ya know
 
You should hop on SO and mass-upvote everything there too, to make voting useless
 
9:47 PM
@MichaelMrozek Feature Request: Sort the star list by number of stars
 
@MichaelMrozek why ever would you try and follow this room by the stars? I gave up on that a long time ago
 
Feature request: Stop abusing the star button
 
@Josh He had a much better feature request.
 
status-declined
 
@MichaelMrozek I upvoted the request in the request room as it were, by way of star
 
9:48 PM
@drachenstern It used to work well; it's been less effective over time, and flatlined when people started this star-everything idiocy
 
@MichaelMrozek that would be about three people ... who also think it's hilarious to star "Oy" on a regular basis
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@drachenstern All I know is that I saw a link, I clicked it, it 404ed.
 
I would love to be able to see the data for the starring on that list .. sort by user vs actual usefulness of the starring
 
3 stars is enough; most posts don't get that many stars
 
@Josh Heh, 5 stars in 3 seconds would've been nicer, but hey, who's complaining?
 
9:49 PM
@PopularDemand he begged for a full redaction
 
@drachenstern The solution is to put the chat data on odata.
 
@mootinator indeed
 
Then the idiots like me won't be able to hide.
 
Okay, I am supposed to be porting Javascript to Objective-C.
 
@drachenstern Ah. Erm... never mind.
 
9:49 PM
Wait.. what?
 
@Moshe I still don't understand why that is
 
@Moshe Michael Mrozek got that earlier with this:
6 hours ago, by Michael Mrozek
I learned that when I cripple the build, the cute QA girl comes and talks to me. Not a great sign for our build stability
like 6 stars in under aminute, LOL
 
Of course, having a pointless oy starrer top 10 list might just encourage people.
 
to be fair that was a great comment, LOL
 
@MichaelMrozek Are you available to entertain at parties?
 
9:51 PM
You know what star abuse will lead to, right?
Star abuse by some means less stars for everyone
 
@Josh hahah, yes it was ... I wish we had a cute QA girl to come by and talk to me about triaging the bugs
 
@drachenstern What's not to understand? I have logic in JS which I need in ObjC.
 
Thank you, jerk
 
@Moshe the "why"
 
@badp This is 2011. I demand limitless stars.
 
9:53 PM
@drachenstern I'm writing an app that needs certain logic. i don't know all of the calendar math behind the logic, but I know enough JS to get by and I know ObjC, so I'm porting the code without understanding all of it.
 
@Moshe what is not to understand is why logic cannot be converted to business case and then to ObjC
 
@drachenstern business case?
 
Oh wait. My QA person is my boss... ummm, let me delete that prior message...
 
I think I see the problem.
 
@Josh It's still on the record.
 
9:54 PM
It's a slight semantic difference
 
My QA person is production.
 
You're rewriting logic
 
HAHA
 
@drachenstern Yes, so?
 
@Josh I hadn't anticipated the level of starring that post would get. Hopefully my coworkers don't ever find this room
 
9:54 PM
it sounds like you're saying that you're building a javascript interpreter for ObjC so you can run javascript within your program directly
 
 
@MichaelMrozek I've already emailed them a permalink
 
@drachenstern - No, i'm not.
 
@Josh oh god, so far I thought "QA" meant "questions & answers" and he was talking of rchern
 
@MichaelMrozek If they do, I'm sure they won't see it, they'll be blinded by all of the stars first.
 
9:55 PM
I'm just typing code in objC that is written in JS.
 
@MichaelMrozek I gotta hire those Wheat Thins guys to track you down and notify your co-workers about this room.
 
@badp HAHAHAHAHA
 
but that's how the language you're using makes it SOUND
it's a semantic difference
"porting" a language means making it work somewhere else
 
@PopularDemand Those commercials are disturbing, jumping out of a van on that Asian kid and dropping off a palette of Wheat Thins at his door.
 
Ah, I'm not porting the language. I'm porting code written in JS to ObjC
 
9:56 PM
Michael Mrozek: nothin' like munchin' on Wheat Thins at work!
Okay, step one complete.
 
Hello
 
'Ello.
 
@MichaelMrozek I actually wasn't the person messing with the stars for once... so HAH!
 
@TylerChacha Way to control yourself by not being in the room at the time
 
@MichaelMrozek I do my best :)
 
9:59 PM
> Nielsen polled 2,131 people about 4G. Of that, 893 said they understood what 4G is. But when pressed further, only 54% of that really knew what it meant (super fast wireless). 27% of the people polled think it's the latest version of the iPhone.
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Hahahahah
 
It might as well be.
 
I still have stars at 10 PM; don't I deserve a disciplined badge for that? :P
 
@badp: Have a gold star.
 
SO mod elections
 
10:02 PM
Woo
 
Wait there's a limit on stars?. . .Maybe I'm not as big of a jackass as I think I am.
 
@ChrisF Are they...going to write more...or?
 
@ChrisF PINS! PINS FOR PINS' GOD!
 
I use up my close votes on SO, most days. I'm that kind of jackass, I guess.
 
@GeorgeMarian I read that 4g isn't real. That the wireless consortioum will only certify 100 Mbit tech as 4g and nothing even comes close, thus current "4g" is all hype
@MichaelPetrotta it's SO. It happens...
 
10:04 PM
@MichaelPetrotta You wanna test my Dope Wars clone for iOS?
 
@Josh it doesn't have to be 100mbit but it does have to be alot higher than it is
 
@Josh Oh, yah. There's lots of hype.
 
@MichaelPetrotta I suspect I would if I was more diligent, but lately I haven't had the time to go scouring, heh.
 
@MichaelPetrotta People that don't exhaust their SO close votes aren't trying very hard
 
I'm still recovering from your last app, @Moshe.
 
10:04 PM
HAHA
 
@MichaelPetrotta - Heh, but this is a real game.
If you change your mind, feel free to @ me here.
I just need a UDID and an email to send the test app to.
 
@ChrisF Oh no. There's at least one user on that list who I think should be banned.
 
Never knew what Dope Wars was, now I do.
Kids use my phone. But thanks.
 
@PopularDemand Names, we want names
 
@MichaelPetrotta You don't trade Drugs in this game, you trade Sushi. I'm trying to keep it kid friendly.
 
@drachenstern I played it.
 
@drachenstern nice
 
Someone say LOL or HAH or something..
 
Not a bad game, but it's the same thing a Angry Birds at its essence. A puzzle.
 
@ChrisF Hmm... I may have been too hasty. It could just be a similar-sounding username. That, or someone -- the user himself, or mods, or 10kers, or some combination thereof -- wiped away all the heavily downvoted stuff.
 
10:11 PM
> Note to ABC News: 14 years old is teenager turf, not tween.
 
hence the pronunciation four teen
 
@Josh: and the pronunciation eleventween?
 
ok you got me there
 
Be tween single digits and teenager-hood.
 
When I was young we didn't have this "tween" nonsense. You were a child and then a teenager! Pffft, younguns these days!
 
10:17 PM
shakes fist
 
Oh and get off my damn lawn!!!
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Anyway, "twenteen" doesn't need any "tween"
"twentyoeen" starts getting awkward though.
 
8
Q: Where can I see all elections currently in process?

BenVIs there a single place where I can see all the elections in process without checking each site individually? Something like stackexchange.com/elections would be nice...

 
Now I am in 13 different chatrooms on chat.SE
 
10:22 PM
o_O
Massive flood of MSO questions
 
at least that doesn't mean 13 different tabs
 
it wasn't closed immediately..
it was closed 3 minutes after it was created
therefore the title that it was closed immediately wasn't accurate
 
"Spam post to be deleted immediately"
request, not description
 
Super User and Server Fault also are having elections.
 
OK well I am off to box seats at a Hurricane v Bruins game so a local datacenter salesperson can sell me on leasing 5 times what I need from him. Catch you all later!
 
10:24 PM
They were up before the SO one
 
Oh and @RebeccaChernoff I may have won round one of the silent contest but you dominated round two. SO I guess at this moment it's a draw!
 
@Josh: we have classes that tell us not to do that... but have fun.
 
@MichaelPetrotta government?
 
@MichaelPetrotta classes?
 
@Zypher: no, large corp.
no gifts from vendors valued over $25, etc.
 
10:26 PM
huh wierd half the fun at my last large corp job WAS milking the sales people for all the freebies they would give us
 
@MichaelPetrotta ahhhh
 
Government contracts? I just ask because that's the only place i've heard of those restrictions
 
@Zypher: no, just a F500 corp that occasionally attracts antitrust attention.
so we try to be careful.
not that I don't miss the perks
 
ahh that sucks
tell your company to stop being evil so you can get your perks back
 
we're more 800lb gorilla-ish than evil.
 
10:29 PM
@Zypher Ah yes, have to be particularly careful with those.
 
ahh well i'll gladly take the perks that would have gone to your company :)
 
It looks like some (auto) deletion is going on with the SO nominations. There's one with a posted time stamp of "Jan 1 '01 at 0:00". I spotted a couple earlier that have gone completely.
 
Bah
I really don't want to be in class right now..
I want it to finish so I can do otras cosas (other things)
 
good thing your on Chat.meta then!
 
Todo de esta dia es basura por que todas personas estan presentando sus presentaciones...
presentaciones que son muy aburrdios...
"The entire day is a waste because everyone is giving presentations and those are really boring"
 
10:35 PM
Me gusta el queso.
 
for you who are bilingually challenged.
Soy una pastel de queso...
 
@Tyler sadly it's a requirement of modern public education, be prepared to repeat this day for the next n years :/
 
Spanish is all right. I just hate spanish classes...
@drachenstern I graduate in 6 months..
soon to be 5 months
 
No college?
 
Well.. of course..
 
10:38 PM
Where it will repeat
 
Does it ever stop?
 
when you die it all stops!
Wow ... my teacher came over and typed that..
 
Turtles all the way down!!!
 
What does this JS expression mean: ?
 
thats funny...
 
10:39 PM
return dihy(year) in {353:1, 383:1};
 
if ( foo == "bar" || foo == "foobar" || foo == "foo" )
{
 //...
}
// can be written as
if ( foo in { bar:1, foobar:1, foo:1 } )
{
 //...
}
 
@TylerChacha Thanks
gtg
 
string.In() is half of the C# extension methods I write
 
10:45 PM
@TylerChacha whenever a teach comes over and types into your realtime chat, that's a sign it's time to get off the computer in my experience
@DanGrossman I would love to see that compared to a few other factors, such as size of government, total population, working population, GDP/country, GDP/head, and I think China and Brazil should be included ;) ... ahh responsible reporting, where are you?
@MichaelPetrotta so what's the other one? :p
 
@drachenstern That chart needs more NPOV.
 
@mootinator hence my points :p
 
I mean, specifically the phrase "ordered from most generous to least generous"
Generous to whom?
Not business owners.
 
would it be dumb of me to put in for a mod position? Do ya'll think I stand a snowballs chance in hell?
 
You'd have at least one vote :P
 
10:53 PM
Assuming you can vote for yourself ;)
 
I told myself at the last election I would on the next one ... I've started a bio deal for it, but haven't finished it ... likely will tonight.
 
Zing...
 
@ChrisF I can always get a sockpuppet :P ;)
 
Anyway, off now. Thanks again for the help earlier.
 
Absolument ... always have to look up how to spell that word
 
10:55 PM
Wallah?
 

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