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12:00 AM
ALERT: the conversation is going downhill
 
@Braiam Hopefully it gets enough momentum going down the hill to make it back up the next hill.
 
@animuson with Jason there's no "next hill"
 
@Braiam I heard the fire was trending in California recently. It really went viral.
Hey
 
I have no idea why they locked the thing to AT&T. Even if you pay full price.
 
:(
 
12:01 AM
animuson --- Destroyer of constructive chat conversations.
 
Whoops, cat accidentally started AutoCAD and Eclipse at the same time. See y'all tomorrow...
 
HALLO
 
@Shog9 You know, getting a phone not through a provider actually isn't a bad idea. I get $200 off hardware for renewing my contract but it might be worth it if it saves me from killing somebody in the next two years.
 
@JasonC yeah, that's what finally brought me around. Wife was 6 months into a new contract and had already been through two replacements for her phone (one of the moto slide-out deals) - I was gonna end up paying for a new phone out of pocket either way, so might as well kill the contract.
 
nods thoughtfully and rubs chin
 
12:07 AM
@Shog9 haven't you got the feeling when you give something, that you suddenly don't have it? Well, they fixed it
 
@Braiam feelings not found
 
@euphoriaoverlord Tada; comments seem to be cleaned up.
 
@Shog9 That's... weird.
 
user202362
I think whatsapp did something, I can no longer share the same account on 2 different phones with ease ...
 
user202362
maybe they started to check device or other hardware ID ... either that or because I am trying to share the same account between 2 different iphones, not just between an iphone & a windows phone
 
12:22 AM
 
@hichris123 What in the hell
 
@JasonC Quick, mash the check for updates button!
 
My phone is totally stock. No updates available.
Dude I have been mashing that button for 12 months. I do it every day.
 
@JasonC ... okay, you broke it. :P
 
Now I'm extra pissed.
Lol.
Further research shows that Motorola customer service was consistently saying the Razr Maxx HD would get the update at some unknown point in the future, which never actually happened, for reasons nobody seems to know.
 
12:34 AM
@JasonC forum.xda-developers.com/… will work. Probably.
download it & sideload via adb sideload.
wait no, that's the regular RAZR, not the RAZR Maxx?
 
@hichris123 Yeah that's the regular razr.
 
Grr XDA doesn't have anything for the Maxx.
 
I have no idea why the maxx seemed to be just kicked aside.
I was thinking maybe they decided for whatever reason to stop development on the omaps but it looks like they kept using them on the moto 360.
Who knows. I give up.
 
@JasonC They stopped using OMAPs for everything but wearables.
Just because they're way old.
 
Hm, maybe they did give up on it then
Sell it through a carrier who provides 2 year contracts, and stop developing it after a few months. That's not annoying.
My only real option is to bust out snes9x and play some mario kart. Peace.
 
12:52 AM
So weird.
3
Q: Can frog droppings be used as fertilizer?

EnigmaIn the context I am thinking, I would essentially be mixing the droppings into the topsoil in a plant bed. How much would be too much? How much would be too little to make a difference? Nutrient breakdown? Is Salmonella a risk?

Why would someone ask that?
 
@Frank Why would someone dare ask a question you don't have the answer to?
 
@cVplZ I could answer it, but it already has one that is decent...
 
@Frank leave a comment asking where he gets the droppings from?
 
@cVplZ Haha
 
@Frank you own that place, don't be ashamed to ask a question for once
 
1:02 AM
But i don't like to comment unless it's relevent in helping someone make a good answer.
@cVplZ I've asked 128 questions there, which is a respectable amount.
 
didn't know that :)
so close to containing 867-5309 missing 5 :(
 
1:34 AM
in Unix and Linux on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, Nov 12 at 15:08, by terdon
@FaheemMitha Nah, I watch porn when I need intellectual stimulation.
 
@cVplZ yup
 
1:49 AM
2
A: Thesis: a downvote should never fail a first post audit

Shog9Voting as a review action is, and always has been, a terrible idea. I sincerely regret adding it to this queue, and solemnly pledge to do all that I can to see it removed. Until then, I recommend either flagging or editing as your review options when in First Posts or Late Answers. They're both...

is he being sarcastic? I thought he had the power. :(
 
@cVplZ @Shog9 forgot commenting... which happens to be one of the things he wants to stay in a revamped version of FP & LA. ;)
 
user259867
@cVplZ Not the power to directly order the developers to do something... the redesign of review queues is a big project, coordinated by VP of Engineering (Fullerton).
 
43
A: Who is David? And why is he using the Android Stack Exchange client?

Shog9 David is the Vice President of Engineering for Stack Exchange, Inc. Despite the name, this does not mean he is responsible for all engineering vices - it just means he directs all development work. Unlike many of you poor, lost souls, David is proud to use something other than an iPhone. As you...

 
user259867
If anyone else had written this, I'd tell them "nice idea, but devoting the resources to rework three queues because one is broken is probably not gonna happen." But... Given you hold the proverbial purse strings there... Nice idea! ;-) — Shog9 ♦ Jul 17 at 2:33
 
David's not on the wheel of blame? hmm
 
2:01 AM
we need a new wheel of blame... there are many people to blame which are not there
 
0
A: Feedback Requested: Stack Overflow design update

bjb568 Decrease margin: Around voting/starring controls, between arrow and number too Around the migrated banner On the left of everything Between editor and OP Between "asked", "viewed", and active" Between the right edge of text and the container of the featured/hot meta posts and related question...

 
user259867
Whoa, SE got a Russian-speaking CM (and it's not me!).
 
user259867
With only 11 rep on SO.
 
@Rafflesiaarnoldii I think @AnnaLear speaks some Russian
 
I speak all Russian
 
user259867
But she's not a CM anymore.
 
user259867
Source: SE/about page, the very bottom.
 
@Rafflesiaarnoldii Well, I guess we need to update the post! meta.stackexchange.com/questions/99338/…
 
you have a nervous user @Shog9, thinking that you will remove the ability to vote on the FP/LA queue
 
@hichris123 oh yeah...
 
user259867
2:07 AM
Maybe wait until there's blog post, why scoop the team announcing that...
 
Nah, @Anna seems to be ninja-editing it now.
Maybe.
 
it's not very ninja if you know about it :)
 
@AnnaLear Well, one second nothing, and the next there's a whole new revision! It's like a ninja attacked the post... or something like that. ;)
 
user259867
Interesting that the search for Spanish-speaking CM was announced on mSO (to much noise) but nobody's got hired yet afaik. Then they hire Nicolas with no fanfare.
 
It's not as interesting as you might think.
 
2:11 AM
@Rafflesiaarnoldii Spanish is hard. Everyone and their cousin speaks Russian.
 
user259867
But his combined flair looks pathetic. Someone go drop a bounty on his answers.
 
It's hard to hire a someone who wants to shift gears from whatever they're doing into community management, speaks both English and whatever language we're looking for, is familiar enough with tech stuff to talk to developers, etc. It took us a long time to hire jmac, for example.
We're still hiring for Spanish. But in the meantime, tada... Russian. :)
 
@Shog9 hey!
spanish isn't hard...
just... you know... more conjugations and stuff
 
@Braiam talk is cheap. Where's your application?
 
Being a language-specific CM is also a whole new kettle of fish skillset. I know I wouldn't want to do it if I were still a CM even though I speak Russian natively and English fluently. :)
 
user259867
2:14 AM
I get it. (maybe). I've no plans to even look at ru.SO when it launches.
 
@Shog9 bjb ate it :(
 
@Rafflesiaarnoldii Aw.
@Braiam bjb is your dog? Well that's a bit rude...
 
Clearly, we need a russian math site to entice ol' @Rafflesia
 
user259867
Yes, seriously. Why are localized versions only for SO?
 
@Rafflesiaarnoldii because it's SO big...
 
2:15 AM
Tell Nick to get crackin' on that - programmers can wait
 
Because we hate fun. Obviously.
 
user259867
Must be the money
 
it's lupus!
 
Not so much the money as the fame and legions of adoring fans
 
user259867
I haven't noticed legions of fans demanding ja.SO
 
2:16 AM
They're just doing it very politely, in Japanese
 
On the other hand...
342
Stack Overflow (in Portuguese)pt.stackoverflow.com

Beta Q&A site for professional and enthusiast programmers in Portuguese. Proposta de site de perguntas e respostas em português para programadores profissionais e entusiastas.

Currently in public beta.

686
Stack Overflow (in Russian)

Proposed Q&A site for professional and enthusiast programmers in Russian. Сайт вопросов и ответов для русскоязычных профессиональных программистов и энтузиастов.

Currently in commitment.

Dozens of adoring fans.
 
@Shog9 Someone does have 273 rep on ja.SO though.
 
Quiet, you
 
@AnnaLear Hmm, just noticed that ja.SO doesn't seem to have an associated A51 proposal. More room to complain!
 
user259867
^ my point exactly
 
2:19 AM
Well, one way to find out if there's an audience for this.
On that note, time to head home. Don't start any wars while I'm gone. ;)
 
rules
 
5
A: Any update about this site?

Jon EricsonStack Overflow em Português is our first* foray into localizing Stack Overflow into languages other than English. The good news is that the private beta is going well. Look forward to hearing about public beta in the new year. For more on the reasons for picking Portuguese, listen to a recent ...

 
user259867
Anyway, the only reason I was looking at SE/about page was to figure out if it's practical to make a future-proof Wheel of Blame getting names directly from there. But, too many salespeople. Boring.
 
sounds like an excuse for being too lazy to parse job titles
 
user202362
@AnnaLear there would be no war ...
 
user202362
2:30 AM
just total domination!
 
In the grim future of hello kitty, there is only war
 
.... or dystopia
 
s/hello kitty/ja.so
 
user202362
 
KITTY!
@Braiam Hey, it looked like a mouse.
 
user202362
2:43 AM
MOREEW
 
What should I do about DevDoodle's legal crap?
Like do I need a TOS?
(inb4 IANAL)
 
user259867
2:59 AM
@bjb568 Sure. Use a ToS generator
 
What's the company state?
:P
So where I happen to live?
Or where the servers are?
 
it's only used in point 8. Governing Law
 
user259867
I think it's where you are. If you use Amazon servers, this does not mean your company is moving everytime they change data centers.
 
> Any claim relating to DevDoodle's web site shall be governed by the laws of the State of <company state> without regard to its conflict of law provisions.

General Terms and Conditions applicable to Use of a Web Site.
 
Huh.
But if there are other people contributing to the code would it make a difference?
Hm… but only I have SSH.
Ugh, me no likey laws.
(y yosemite no know likey)
 
user259867
3:03 AM
You are the one calling the shots, so...
 
user259867
you'll be the one to get sued.
 
Hm… okeydokey.
 
@Rafflesiaarnoldii Obviously this means we should sue @bjb568 for DevDoodle.
 
:O
 
3:05 AM
The People v. bjb568
 
user259867
The Tavern v. bjb568
 
The People of the Democratic Meritocracy that Doesn't Kick or Harm Kittens in Any Way Whatsoever v. some kitteh on teh internetz
So when should I bother to get that up?
 
user259867
You don't need ToS if you are just showing some content. But if you allow sign-ups, you are collecting sensitive information from users, so you should say how you are using the information.
 
I allow sign-ups for my fiddly personal site with a user-posted data section O.O
 
3:19 AM
No, it's butiful!
 
cool, -1
 
;(
 
it's an insult of yellow...totally offensive
 
… orange?
 
whatever...still ugly
aesthetic value = -100
> Around the migrated banner On the left of everything
^why is the "O" randomly capitalized?
 
3:24 AM
Borking.
 
Ha
Very ugly screenshot — Infinite Recursion 6 secs ago
 
@Inf et al.: regarding boolean pings: I'm still fine with it, but please one per bot post. I've also been very busy with school, so the bot hasn't been updated in a while, but I'll get to it hopefully this weekend.
 
@hichris123 I starred it so that people can see it.
 
3:40 AM
Sounds good.
 
Whoa
New design
That's what happens when you miss a day on Stack Overflow
 
status-that-happened-so-long-ago
 
Has the popup displayed on downvoting been removed? Earlier it used to say "please consider leaving a comment if you think the post can be improved"
 
:p
@Inf IIRC there's a rep limit or something on that. Can't remember.
All I know is that I get it on ES but not on SO.
 
user259867
> this is now implemented and live for users with reputation below 2000. It is shown on every downvote until you get to 2k. source
 
3:49 AM
ok, I used to get it on MSE, not seeing it today. I want to post an answer to Shog's -1 post asking them to reuse that popup instead of introducing another popup. Popup #1 says please leave a comment. When user starts writing a comment, if popup #2 says don't use xyz text in your comment...that is too many popups
@Rafflesiaarnoldii Thanks
 
4:17 AM
Shog's post is getting cvs
> This question does not appear to seek input and discussion from the community. If you have encountered a problem on one of our sites, please describe it in detail. See also: What is "meta"? How does it work?
I should post an answer quickly before it gets closed :/
But I always require a lot of time to think about a proposal and come up with an answer
Also, am feeling sleepy at this moment
 
user259867
Arguably, it does describe a problem he encountered on the site. Tough crowd. Oh well, I got my 2nd Good Answer badge on mSO. =D
 
His post has +41/-38 votes ATM
 
user259867
With a downward trend. +33 -24 in the previous UTC day, +8 -14 in the current one.
 
MSO crowd is strange in terms of voting, they tend to cv anything that is posted by SE employees...have seen it in recent past. These posts keep getting closed and reopened by the community for some inexplicable reason. This is a perfectly valid post for meta, if you judge by the contents of the post, instead of judging by the author.
 
Morning!
 
4:29 AM
Morning!
 
That was my CV. Shog made a post on meta about a feature he had already added with no actual intention of changing anything based on input. It was a waste of everybody's time. It did not appear to seek input or discussion.
Announcements are fine, pretending they're discussions aren't.
 
> with no actual intention of changing anything based on input
^ is debatable
 
CV'd
 
He made a change, he has initiated a discussion to know the feedback/suggestion of the community. He didn't need to do that if he didn't have the intention. I see he has posted comments under the various answers and is following up. I do see a discussion happening
 
4:37 AM
How is it different from asking for feedback via the redesign post?
 
He had a good suggestion for a non-blocking message. He ignored that as well, pretended to discuss, already had the blocking implemented before opening the discussion, did nothing despite general lack of support and better suggestions, then stated he was leaving it around "just to test it", which I have a hard time believing will be anything but permanent.
@InfiniteRecursion Because Jin asked for feedback, then confirmed that changes, based on the feedback, will be made in the next release. At no point does Shog say "I see this is not well-received, I will go for the more popular non-blocking suggestion first". There is no similarity to the redesign post. I don't even see how this is a debate.
 
Lack of trust on the author isn't a good reason to cv IMO
 
Anyways I'm sick of wasting brain cells on this. He did what he posted anyways, and if that discussion had never existed, the current state would be exactly the same. It's a joke and not worth talking about any more.
 
@JasonC Ok, I understand your point of view. Thanks for explaining.
True.
 
user259867
Any new animated gifs of animals?
 
4:41 AM
@Rafflesiaarnoldii littleanimalgifs.tumblr.com Go to town.
 
I agree with this suggestion:
I have voted to reopen on the following grounds: 1) I believe this question is simpler, more generic, and more useful in general than the linked duplicate, and 2) The answers on the linked duplicate are extremely specific to that case and the actions to be taken are not immediately clear. The linked post is good reading and is relevant, but I do not believe that a detailed story about abusive emails, as heartwarming as it is, is appropriate as the "canonical" reference question for this topic. (In fact, I would argue that the linked one be marked as a duplicate of this one, despite timing.) — Jason C 6 hours ago
 
@InfiniteRecursion I didn't actually look through meta thoroughly, I suspect there might be an even earlier, clearer question that can be a canonical source for all of those, including the one I left that comment on. I'll check tomorrow.
 
4:54 AM
Bleh
Night!
 
Night!
 
@JasonC FWIW, you voted to close a question that you answered, and where your concerns were given a considerable amount of attention. All you're doing is voting to deny others that same privilege. Think about that a bit.
 
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A: How can I identify the "type" of a rose if I don't already know what it is?

J. MusserThere are many types of roses. I'll list a few here that are more common in modern times, with identifying features. Hybrid Tea: These are the result of crossing hybrid perpetuals with tea roses. These are upright, robust plants with long cane growth and less branching than some. Thorniness var...

Lots on nice pics^
 
rose rose rose <3 ^^^
 
5:01 AM
@SilentKiller yeah...
 
@Frank hiya, hows you ?
 
@SilentKiller I'm heading to bed. Yourself?
 
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: what is people review for muscles supplement? by aliicemontez on drupal.stackexchange.com
 
Off I go already - cya!
 
@Frank started working..
cya!
 
5:04 AM
Night!
 
smoke detector's gone
rafflesia also gone
 
user259867
I'm here. Oh, you mean the spam is gone.
 
hahaha,..
 
user259867
During the Drupal happy hour (roughly from 4 to 6 UTC), a bot should simply post every new Drupal question here. More than half of them are spam.
 
@SmokeDetector tpu
 
5:11 AM
@InfiniteRecursion Registered as true positive: added title to Bayesian doctype 'bad' and blacklisted user.
 
I thought it would be one of the quickest to nuke... but who downvoted that ;_;
 
user259867
Some clueless Drupal folks.
 
Drupal users. All of us are 101 rep users, we can't downvote.
 
Yeah, I mentioned that before too (re: 101 rep)... sigh
 
5:22 AM
Some communities edit to fix spam and/or downvote spam
 
user259867
In line with the topic of the day, I wrote a query My comments beginning with +1 or -1. Turns out I left exactly one such.
 
user259867
-1 for fastest complete answer. — Rafflesia arnoldii Jun 3 at 0:32
 
user259867
There was some context to that, though.
 
@Rafflesiaarnoldii I left none
 
Only 1,
-1, this has nothing to do with the problem. It is clear that Android cannot find "launcher" activity because it's not declared in the manifest. — Andrew T. Apr 22 at 1:48
 
5:25 AM
I deleted my AU account for the same reason, the high rep users there were persistent about editing spam and wasted our time and energy. We flag as spam, and then the flag won't be valid after the edit
I help communities which can be helped
 
And Drupal is already featuring Winter Bash 2014‌​!
 
user259867
Many metas do; all mods were informed by SE a few days ago. I think meta.Math has the classiest hat poll answers.
 
While MSO is still busy with feedbacks :)
 
@Rafflesiaarnoldii Math.SE mod posted this in his/her question, I am disappointed by this behavior:
^so unprofessional
Mods are supposed to exhibit good behavior
or at least something bordering on the lowest level of good
 
user259867
This is a standard reminder for poll questions: answers are not to be downvoted. Arthur is the awesomest mod the site has, or could have.
 
5:32 AM
@InfiniteRecursion I think he just said to not downvote the answers on that particular post.
 
@Rafflesiaarnoldii Standard reminder? okay, then fine.
TIL bright red shouting text should be added in the middle of poll questions
 
user259867
Well, when it was written in plain text (on past polls), the folks did not pay enough attention, and downvoted poll options anyway. So...
 
it is still happening on last answer on that post
 
SO SHOUT IN BRIGHT RED BOLD TEXT AND GET THEIR ATTENTION??
 
user259867
It works.
 
5:37 AM
s,.*,<b>$0</b>,
 
Rudeness works most of the times, however it's usage is morally debatable.
Having a bad day at skool @uni?
 
I forgot to commit to my private repository, so I can't do anything. goes to flag comments
@Rafflesiaarnoldii gone
 
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: Muscle Building New Topic by no sion on meta.stackexchange.com
 
[ SmokeDetector ] Score of 94.0894: Muscle Building New Topic on meta.stackexchange.com
 
@SmokeDetector tpu
 
5:45 AM
@InfiniteRecursion Registered as true positive: added title to Bayesian doctype 'bad' and blacklisted user.
 
Spam gone ^
 
[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: DB2 ERRORCODE 4499 SQLSTATE=58009 by user3825907 on stackoverflow.com
 
6:03 AM
need moar coffee
 
@AndrewT. mine getting ready :D
 
@DroidDev today 2 for me
 
@SilentKiller hehe, having junior is awesomest thing ever happened to me in this company. Now, I mostly just have to plan the workload and done. I can chat all day long, until something is stuck or there is some new issue :D
 
6:10 AM
O-o
 
@DroidDev i am lonely still only..........
my 2 juniors left company because of management issue.. :(
 
@SilentKiller lol, I keep the interesting or the work that I haven't done yet to me, unless its not related to some ready-made sdk
I hate ready-made things
hmm.....coffee is elixir :D
 
/feeling jealous
 
@Unihedron I think the question itself is kind of vlq
 
user259867
6:20 AM
Yes, was just about to say that.
 
user259867
> Is it something I can do in C#?
 
user259867
If you have to ask...
 
user259867
?? Well, there's an NAA there.
 
6:43 AM
After using SE formatting, this formatting hurts my eyes now :(
Earlier, I used to think it's awesome.
 
Get a userstyle and steal some elements from the SE CSS stylesheet!
 
Good idea :D
> Complex c = new Complex(-1, 0);
do -1 and 0 appear green in your inverse theme? Let me know when you get back to your computer
asking w.r.t your previous question:
yesterday, by Unihedron
I couldn't find that online IDE I liked with green text - any idea?
yesterday, by Infinite Recursion
Is there any visual element on any SE site that appears green to you? That will help me identify the color you are looking for.
 
Yeah!
 
:O
 
6:52 AM
Cool, so we are looking for an online editor with magenta text :D
 
:D
 
@Shog9 No. I voted to do others a service to save them from wasting their time putting thoughtful answers together for no reason.
 
@InfiniteRecursion Yeah, I've used that before.
 
@Unihedron not the one you are looking for?
 
6:59 AM
It was, thanks!
 
yesterday, by Unihedron
I couldn't find that online IDE I liked with green text - any idea?
^ that one is jdoodle.com?
 
Yeah!
 
:D
 
7:18 AM
jDoodle... the name's really similar to DevDoodle...
(well, at least it's easier to remember now!)
 
Yes. From now on, it's uni's green online editor for me :P
 
Yay *doodle!
 
He asked twice in the tavern about green online editor on two separate days... I recalled it when I was editing wikipedia today.
 
@Unihedron I have that kind of color scheme set in my eclipse
 
7:22 AM
@InfiniteRecursion :D
DEPARTING: heading home
 
Wow. I've just got an enlightened badge for an answer posted in 2012
 
Finally, you are enlightened!
3
 
7:55 AM
@DroidDev I made my own theme.
 
@Unihedron COOL! I did that once, but too much work needed. So, instead used this, lot of choices
 
"I found in my years of blogging at Coding Horror that the value of one person happening by with some gold nugget of absolutely the right information you need vastly outweighs the cost of ongoing moderation of anonymous posts." I'm not sure that, in my years at Stack Overflow, I've ever seen an anonymous user leave a true gold nugget. — Lightness Races in Orbit 18 hours ago
^ He never saw a true gold nugget from an anonymous user :D
 
lol :D
 
I know lots of true gold nuggets from anonymous users on another site, but not on SE.
 
Maybe that is because the nugget turns only gold if a great question has an awesome answer....
4
 
8:10 AM
I've never seen anything great from anonymous users either.
 
[ SmokeDetector ] URL in title: https://help.exacttarget.com/en… pages are down today? by Jack85 on salesforce.stackexchange.com
 
8:25 AM
@Unihedron You have been on this site for just a couple of months :D
 
but, I haven't either... :/
 
Assuming that both of you give priority to the important things in life, you can't see too many posts in this duration.
 
...that and doesn't have many great posts from regular users either :P
 
@InfiniteRecursion yea but that's the thing with assumptions..
@DroidDev well... what did you expect. It's android
 
@Vogel612'sShadow someday.....
 
8:29 AM
it's too similar to [javascript][regex][facebook] and [php]
 
@InfiniteRecursion ohhhh dear...
 
@Vogel612'sShadow ohhhh dear...
Assuming uni handles those things first :P
 
@InfiniteRecursion But... I'm not a female and I don't even have a dog.
 
@JanDvorak get them
 
8:32 AM
...and I don't even have a cat either :/
 
@InfiniteRecursion stuff like.. a gender-change and a dog?
sure the dog is the easier part.. but last time I checked we didn't have gender-change curses IRL
 
@Vogel612'sShadow ohhhh dear...no...
 
8:45 AM
Should I reply?
@InfiniteRecursion I'msorry! Don't you check the date of posts before reporting the dupes?!? That question was asked yesterday! So That one is a dupe of this, based on logic! ;-) — Neeku 12 mins ago
 
Yes
 
No. I won't.
They are an old user, it won't end well.
Coming back to gold nuggets, not sure if any of you read or like wikipedia articles, I did see some criticism about it on SE, but it has a lot of good content and a lot of useful contribution comes from unregistered users on wikipedia
 

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