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Braiam

12:00 AM

ALERT: the conversation is going downhill

animuson

@Braiam Hopefully it gets enough momentum going down the hill to make it back up the next hill.

Braiam

@animuson with Jason there's no "next hill"

Jason C

@Braiam I heard the fire was trending in California recently. It really went viral.

Hey

Shog9

I have no idea why they locked the thing to AT&T. Even if you pay full price.

Jason C

:(

animuson

12:01 AM

animuson --- Destroyer of constructive chat conversations.

Jason C

Whoops, cat accidentally started AutoCAD and Eclipse at the same time. See y'all tomorrow...

bjb568

HALLO

Jason C

@Shog9 You know, getting a phone not through a provider actually isn't a bad idea. I get $200 off hardware for renewing my contract but it might be worth it if it saves me from killing somebody in the next two years.

Shog9

@JasonC yeah, that's what finally brought me around. Wife was 6 months into a new contract and had already been through two replacements for her phone (one of the moto slide-out deals) - I was gonna end up paying for a new phone out of pocket either way, so might as well kill the contract.

Jason C

nods thoughtfully and rubs chin

Braiam

12:07 AM

@Shog9 haven't you got the feeling when you give something, that you suddenly don't have it? Well, they fixed it

cVplZ

@Braiam feelings not found

Jason C

@euphoriaoverlord Tada; comments seem to be cleaned up.

hichris123

@Shog9 That's... weird.

user202362

I think whatsapp did something, I can no longer share the same account on 2 different phones with ease ...

user202362

maybe they started to check device or other hardware ID ... either that or because I am trying to share the same account between 2 different iphones, not just between an iphone & a windows phone

hichris123

12:22 AM

@JasonC You sure? droid-life.com/2014/05/12/…

Jason C

@hichris123 What in the hell

hichris123

@JasonC Quick, mash the check for updates button!

Jason C

My phone is totally stock. No updates available.

Dude I have been mashing that button for 12 months. I do it every day.

hichris123

@JasonC ... okay, you broke it. :P

Jason C

Now I'm extra pissed.

@hichris123 phonearena.com/news/…

Lol.

Further research shows that Motorola customer service was consistently saying the Razr Maxx HD would get the update at some unknown point in the future, which never actually happened, for reasons nobody seems to know.

hichris123

12:34 AM

@JasonC forum.xda-developers.com/… will work. Probably.

download it & sideload via adb sideload.

wait no, that's the regular RAZR, not the RAZR Maxx?

Jason C

@hichris123 Yeah that's the regular razr.

hichris123

Grr XDA doesn't have anything for the Maxx.

Jason C

I have no idea why the maxx seemed to be just kicked aside.

I was thinking maybe they decided for whatever reason to stop development on the omaps but it looks like they kept using them on the moto 360.

Who knows. I give up.

hichris123

@JasonC They stopped using OMAPs for everything but wearables.

Just because they're way old.

Jason C

Hm, maybe they did give up on it then

Sell it through a carrier who provides 2 year contracts, and stop developing it after a few months. That's not annoying.

My only real option is to bust out snes9x and play some mario kart. Peace.

Frank

12:52 AM

So weird.

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Q: Can frog droppings be used as fertilizer?

In the context I am thinking, I would essentially be mixing the droppings into the topsoil in a plant bed. How much would be too much? How much would be too little to make a difference? Nutrient breakdown? Is Salmonella a risk?

Why would someone ask that?

cVplZ

@Frank Why would someone dare ask a question you don't have the answer to?

Frank

@cVplZ I could answer it, but it already has one that is decent...

cVplZ

@Frank leave a comment asking where he gets the droppings from?

Frank

@cVplZ Haha

cVplZ

@Frank you own that place, don't be ashamed to ask a question for once

Frank

1:02 AM

But i don't like to comment unless it's relevent in helping someone make a good answer.

@cVplZ I've asked 128 questions there, which is a respectable amount.

cVplZ

didn't know that :)

so close to containing 867-5309 missing 5 :(

Braiam

1:34 AM

in Unix and Linux on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, Nov 12 at 15:08, by terdon

@FaheemMitha Nah, I watch porn when I need intellectual stimulation.

cVplZ

lq stackoverflow.com/a/27030264/3041194

spam?? stackoverflow.com/a/27030342/3041194

Braiam

@cVplZ yup

cVplZ

1:49 AM

naa stackoverflow.com/a/27030265/3041194

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A: Thesis: a downvote should never fail a first post audit

Voting as a review action is, and always has been, a terrible idea. I sincerely regret adding it to this queue, and solemnly pledge to do all that I can to see it removed. Until then, I recommend either flagging or editing as your review options when in First Posts or Late Answers. They're both...

is he being sarcastic? I thought he had the power. :(

hichris123

@cVplZ @Shog9 forgot commenting... which happens to be one of the things he wants to stay in a revamped version of FP & LA. ;)

user259867

@cVplZ Not the power to directly order the developers to do something... the redesign of review queues is a big project, coordinated by VP of Engineering (Fullerton).

Shog9

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A: Who is David? And why is he using the Android Stack Exchange client?

David is the Vice President of Engineering for Stack Exchange, Inc. Despite the name, this does not mean he is responsible for all engineering vices - it just means he directs all development work. Unlike many of you poor, lost souls, David is proud to use something other than an iPhone. As you...

user259867

If anyone else had written this, I'd tell them "nice idea, but devoting the resources to rework three queues because one is broken is probably not gonna happen." But... Given you hold the proverbial purse strings there... Nice idea! ;-) — Shog9 ♦ Jul 17 at 2:33

cVplZ

David's not on the wheel of blame? hmm

Braiam

2:01 AM

we need a new wheel of blame... there are many people to blame which are not there

bjb568

0

A: Feedback Requested: Stack Overflow design update

Decrease margin: Around voting/starring controls, between arrow and number too Around the migrated banner On the left of everything Between editor and OP Between "asked", "viewed", and active" Between the right edge of text and the container of the featured/hot meta posts and related question...

user259867

Whoa, SE got a Russian-speaking CM (and it's not me!).

user259867

With only 11 rep on SO.

cVplZ

@Rafflesiaarnoldii I think @AnnaLear speaks some Russian

Anna Lear

I speak all Russian

hichris123

2:04 AM

sigh @animuson stackoverflow.com/posts/20491082/revisions

user259867

But she's not a CM anymore.

user259867

Source: SE/about page, the very bottom.

hichris123

@Rafflesiaarnoldii Well, I guess we need to update the post! meta.stackexchange.com/questions/99338/…

Braiam

you have a nervous user @Shog9, thinking that you will remove the ability to vote on the FP/LA queue

Anna Lear

@hichris123 oh yeah...

user259867

2:07 AM

Maybe wait until there's blog post, why scoop the team announcing that...

hichris123

Nah, @Anna seems to be ninja-editing it now.

Maybe.

Anna Lear

it's not very ninja if you know about it :)

hichris123

@AnnaLear Well, one second nothing, and the next there's a whole new revision! It's like a ninja attacked the post... or something like that. ;)

user259867

Interesting that the search for Spanish-speaking CM was announced on mSO (to much noise) but nobody's got hired yet afaik. Then they hire Nicolas with no fanfare.

Anna Lear

It's not as interesting as you might think.

Shog9

2:11 AM

@Rafflesiaarnoldii Spanish is hard. Everyone and their cousin speaks Russian.

user259867

But his combined flair looks pathetic. Someone go drop a bounty on his answers.

Anna Lear

It's hard to hire a someone who wants to shift gears from whatever they're doing into community management, speaks both English and whatever language we're looking for, is familiar enough with tech stuff to talk to developers, etc. It took us a long time to hire jmac, for example.

We're still hiring for Spanish. But in the meantime, tada... Russian. :)

Braiam

@Shog9 hey!

spanish isn't hard...

just... you know... more conjugations and stuff

Shog9

@Braiam talk is cheap. Where's your application?

Anna Lear

Being a language-specific CM is also a whole new ~~kettle of fish~~ skillset. I know I wouldn't want to do it if I were still a CM even though I speak Russian natively and English fluently. :)

user259867

2:14 AM

I get it. (maybe). I've no plans to even look at ru.SO when it launches.

Braiam

@Shog9 bjb ate it :(

Anna Lear

@Rafflesiaarnoldii Aw.

@Braiam bjb is your dog? Well that's a bit rude...

Shog9

Clearly, we need a russian math site to entice ol' @Rafflesia

user259867

Yes, seriously. Why are localized versions only for SO?

Braiam

@Rafflesiaarnoldii because it's SO big...

Shog9

2:15 AM

Tell Nick to get crackin' on that - programmers can wait

Anna Lear

Because we hate fun. Obviously.

user259867

Must be the money

Braiam

it's lupus!

Shog9

Not so much the money as the fame and legions of adoring fans

user259867

I haven't noticed legions of fans demanding ja.SO

Shog9

2:16 AM

They're just doing it very politely, in Japanese

Anna Lear

On the other hand...

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Stack Overflow (in Portuguese) – pt.stackoverflow.com

Beta Q&A site for professional and enthusiast programmers in Portuguese. Proposta de site de perguntas e respostas em português para programadores profissionais e entusiastas.

Currently in public beta.

686

Stack Overflow (in Russian)

Proposed Q&A site for professional and enthusiast programmers in Russian. Сайт вопросов и ответов для русскоязычных профессиональных программистов и энтузиастов.

Currently in commitment.

Dozens of adoring fans.

hichris123

@Shog9 Someone does have 273 rep on ja.SO though.

Shog9

Quiet, you

hichris123

@AnnaLear Hmm, just noticed that ja.SO doesn't seem to have an associated A51 proposal. More room to complain!

user259867

^ my point exactly

Anna Lear

2:19 AM

Well, one way to find out if there's an audience for this.

On that note, time to head home. Don't start any wars while I'm gone. ;)

Shog9

rules

hichris123

5

A: Any update about this site?

Stack Overflow em Português is our first* foray into localizing Stack Overflow into languages other than English. The good news is that the private beta is going well. Look forward to hearing about public beta in the new year. For more on the reasons for picking Portuguese, listen to a recent ...

user259867

Anyway, the only reason I was looking at SE/about page was to figure out if it's practical to make a future-proof Wheel of Blame getting names directly from there. But, too many salespeople. Boring.

Shog9

sounds like an excuse for being too lazy to parse job titles

user202362

@AnnaLear there would be no war ...

user202362

2:30 AM

just total domination!

Shog9

In the grim future of hello kitty, there is only war

Braiam

.... or dystopia

Shog9

s/hello kitty/ja.so

user202362

bjb568

KITTY!

@Braiam Hey, it looked like a mouse.

user202362

2:43 AM

MOREEW

bjb568

What should I do about DevDoodle's legal crap?

Like do I need a TOS?

(inb4 IANAL)

user259867

2:59 AM

@bjb568 Sure. Use a ToS generator

bjb568

What's the company state?

:P

So where I happen to live?

Or where the servers are?

Andrew T.

it's only used in point 8. Governing Law

user259867

I think it's where you are. If you use Amazon servers, this does not mean your company is moving everytime they change data centers.

Andrew T.

> Any claim relating to DevDoodle's web site shall be governed by the laws of the State of <company state> without regard to its conflict of law provisions.

General Terms and Conditions applicable to Use of a Web Site.

bjb568

Huh.

But if there are other people contributing to the code would it make a difference?

Hm… but only I have SSH.

Ugh, me no likey laws.

(y yosemite no know likey)

user259867

3:03 AM

You are the one calling the shots, so...

user259867

you'll be the one to get sued.

bjb568

Hm… okeydokey.

hichris123

@Rafflesiaarnoldii Obviously this means we should sue @bjb568 for DevDoodle.

Andrew T.

^

bjb568

:O

hichris123

3:05 AM

The People v. bjb568

user259867

The Tavern v. bjb568

bjb568

The People of the Democratic Meritocracy that Doesn't Kick or Harm Kittens in Any Way Whatsoever v. some kitteh on teh internetz

So when should I bother to get that up?

user259867

You don't need ToS if you are just showing some content. But if you allow sign-ups, you are collecting sensitive information from users, so you should say how you are using the information.

bjb568

I allow sign-ups for my fiddly personal site with a user-posted data section O.O

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