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If we can get a brood of 13-year cicadas going, we might have a chance at making this happen before the oceans evaporate under the expanding sun.

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Andreas moved to Codidact

02:27

What is this, CHQ?

Journeyman Geek

02:49

I'll clear it later

Andreas moved to Codidact

03:29

@JourneymanGeek [ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer (15): Message In The Tavern by Journeyman Geek on Meta Stack Exchange

Journeyman Geek

03:48

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Shadow Wizard

07:52

@Jeremy oh wow, that's a lot of work spent into this. Huge kudos. Wonder how come the dump shrank in 2 GiB between April and June? Less posts?

@AndreasmovedtoCodidact Cool Headed Queen?

Andreas moved to Codidact

08:40

@ShadowWizard Coupons HeadQuarter

Meta Andrew T.

08:58

^ by "the question", I meant on the follow-up meta.stackexchange.com/q/301845

Elements In Space

09:41

@PetəíŕdtheWizard Hey. Nice hat.

Shadow Wizard

@MetaAndrewT. nope. Removed the dead link instead.

It's really not important enough to undelete, and the concern in copied.

Meta Andrew T.

I guess the comment thread may give an insight why the logo was linked to SE homepage instead of site homepage (refer to recent MSE post Why is the top bar link pointing to Stack Exchange instead of the site home on all sites but Stack Overflow?)

Journeyman Geek

09:57

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Shadow Wizard

10:59

!!/tea Eleeza

yay

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Jeremy

12:47

@ShadowWizard some mysterious kind individual uploaded all the data, I don’t have access to the new process yet. I just helped index it. 🙂 I think the size difference comes from wrapping stack overflows files in a single outer 7ZIP file which helped compress a bunch of either metadata or compression dictionaries(?) of the inner 7ZIP but I’m not sure. I did check the other sites and none of them were more than about 1% smaller, most were larger, but Stack Overflow’s was 3% smaller than before.

Although curiously there were a few tiny differences to the data that suggest the process changed a bit more than I’d have assumed. Answer rows now all have a view count of zero instead of it being omitted. Revision IDs are now uppercase instead of lowercase.

Journeyman Geek

13:20

@Jeremy I guess the question is who is nuts enough to diff the old and new ones :D

(after doing the changes needed to ignore things like those two changes)

Andreas moved to Codidact

You?

Journeyman Geek

naw

I'm surprisingly lazy, unless I get into a phase of 'OOH! DUMB COMMAND LINE TEXT PROCESSING!" again

Shadow Wizard

@Jeremy ah, nice!

@Jeremy different query, probably.

Old. Links dead. Come on.

When fresh then I might agree it can be spam. But now? It's just useless nitpicking.

Let old posts rest in peace, there's enough fresh spam, from actual spammers.

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Journeyman Geek

14:40

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Eleeza the Other World Wizard

Hellooooo I got summoned with tea

Andreas moved to Codidact

14:58

Banana tea

Jeremy

15:20

@JourneymanGeek one day, I hope some amazing person will take all of the dumps they can get ahold of and merge them into a mega release with all of the since-deleted posts and profile changes and whatnot

Journeyman Geek

By amazing you mean, absolute madlad :D

A person of sheer <censored> will :D

(though I wonder what the practical use of a megadump would be)

Andreas moved to Codidact

Nobody with a censored will can do that.

Jeremy

@JourneymanGeek it would make this guy happy

Q: Add the alternative of "delisting" questions; deletion is usually harmful overkill

There has been a lot of debate about deleted posts over the years. The classic example is the old discussion about handling old popular posts, upon which consensus has never been reached and the opinion of the majority has varied over time (deletion is currently favoured). More recent is Pekka's ...

Andreas moved to Codidact

Do you use the data dumps for anything?

Journeyman Geek

Honestly, I intend to just download and sit on them unless someone needs it :D

or I need the space for something else

Jeremy

15:32

I use the data dumps as a legal excuse to play with the BitTorrent protocol. :p Not much else except posterity.

Journeyman Geek

I suspect as with a lot of things, I think the idea of the datadumps is more important than what I can do with them, as a not very technical computer person :D

Andreas moved to Codidact

Doesn't Charcoal or some SO moderators use it?

Journeyman Geek

I don't think charcoal does

charcoal has very generous API access and mostly works with fresh data (citation needed)

Andreas moved to Codidact

For other purposes.

Journeyman Geek

Ah, I've no insight there

Spevacus

15:55

@JourneymanGeek Citation confirmed: Charcoal has no use for the data dumps that I'm aware of.

I think there was a project someone was playing with that involved running Charcoal's tests across every single post in the data dump and seeing if there was some spam missed. I do not know what happened to that.

Andreas moved to Codidact

Not even SOBotics or SEBotics?

in Zoe's Meta Foxhole, 5 mins ago, by Zoe - Save the data dump

It does use the data dump to process historical comments rather than just new ones, but it requires that I run it manually, which I haven't for a while

Zoe does.

Spevacus

Oh neat

cocomac

17:02

@Spevacus @JourneymanGeek I had taken a look at doing that a while back, and I ran into a few things. First, I had some trouble connecting it to the dump, but that is solvable. The other issue was that the dump is big enough it would have taken a really long time. One solution is "just wait and deal with it". Another is, for example, only scan really old posts and posts during the strike and skip everything else. It wouldn't be perfect, but it might well be "good enough"

Andreas moved to Codidact

What's the URL to the JSON of pingable users in a room, again?

Elements In Space

It’s retag day.

cocomac

@AndreasmovedtoCodidact No idea, but if you look in the SD source code, you may be able to find it based on the !!/blame command.

Andreas moved to Codidact

@cocomac Thanks. I've used it before, so it's in my history from probably years ago, and sent in chat, too, I just don't know what to search for. Anyway, that's a good suggestion.

> msg.room.get_current_user_ids()

mhm, seems like it's pulling current users of the room, not pingable ones.

cocomac

17:22

@AndreasmovedtoCodidact I think I found it: https://chat.meta.stackexchange.com/rooms/pingable/89 - is that what you're looking for?

Andreas moved to Codidact

@cocomac Yep! Thanks! Tried it with pretty much the room ID first...

Tinkeringbell

17:42

Gone!

Spevacus

Tinkeringbell

Yep, 2 and now none is less than 3

Spevacus

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starball

19:36

@Slate in the process tags table's "when to use it" column, would you mind clarifying explicitly somehow who "we" is referring to? I assume it's referring to staff, and I think most people can figure that out, but I also think it would be nice if it was clear without using that brainpower. feel free to disagree.

Spevacus

@starball I think it's described decently in the blurb above those tables: "The tables are written from an employee’s perspective - from the perspective of someone actually sitting down to use these tags in practice"

Slate

gets a bit verbose if I swap out the "we"s and I'm wary about making the public copy diverge too much from the internal copy, but I'll make the change if there's a general consensus that it aids readability

starball

@Spevacus whoops. I can't read. thanks!

@Slate no-repro. I just missed the sentence spev pointed out.

Slate

np!

starball

@Slate also, nice to see you around. keep up the good work!

Spevacus

19:44

Blue bird is good bird

Slate

Thank you! :) good to see you around too

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V2Blast

21:16

Q: Bringing clarity to status tag usage on meta sites

Let’s talk about the status tags. Every single user who visits a Meta believes status tags mean something. They’re not wrong, of course. But what, really, do the status tags mean? Do users’ beliefs about status tags match how they’re used? What steps do we need to take to ensure status tags are r...