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What is this, CHQ?
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I'll clear it later
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@JourneymanGeek [ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer (15): Message In The Tavern by Journeyman Geek on Meta Stack Exchange
 
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@Jeremy oh wow, that's a lot of work spent into this. Huge kudos. Wonder how come the dump shrank in 2 GiB between April and June? Less posts?
@AndreasmovedtoCodidact Cool Headed Queen?
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@ShadowWizard Coupons HeadQuarter
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^ by "the question", I meant on the follow-up meta.stackexchange.com/q/301845
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@PetəíŕdtheWizard Hey. Nice hat.
@MetaAndrewT. nope. Removed the dead link instead.
It's really not important enough to undelete, and the concern in copied.
I guess the comment thread may give an insight why the logo was linked to SE homepage instead of site homepage (refer to recent MSE post Why is the top bar link pointing to Stack Exchange instead of the site home on all sites but Stack Overflow?)
 
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!!/tea Eleeza
yay
 
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@ShadowWizard some mysterious kind individual uploaded all the data, I don’t have access to the new process yet. I just helped index it. 🙂 I think the size difference comes from wrapping stack overflows files in a single outer 7ZIP file which helped compress a bunch of either metadata or compression dictionaries(?) of the inner 7ZIP but I’m not sure. I did check the other sites and none of them were more than about 1% smaller, most were larger, but Stack Overflow’s was 3% smaller than before.
Although curiously there were a few tiny differences to the data that suggest the process changed a bit more than I’d have assumed. Answer rows now all have a view count of zero instead of it being omitted. Revision IDs are now uppercase instead of lowercase.
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@Jeremy I guess the question is who is nuts enough to diff the old and new ones :D
(after doing the changes needed to ignore things like those two changes)
naw
I'm surprisingly lazy, unless I get into a phase of 'OOH! DUMB COMMAND LINE TEXT PROCESSING!" again
@Jeremy ah, nice!
@Jeremy different query, probably.
Old. Links dead. Come on.
When fresh then I might agree it can be spam. But now? It's just useless nitpicking.
Let old posts rest in peace, there's enough fresh spam, from actual spammers.
 
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Hellooooo I got summoned with tea
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Banana tea
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@JourneymanGeek one day, I hope some amazing person will take all of the dumps they can get ahold of and merge them into a mega release with all of the since-deleted posts and profile changes and whatnot
By amazing you mean, absolute madlad :D
A person of sheer <censored> will :D
(though I wonder what the practical use of a megadump would be)
Nobody with a censored will can do that.
@JourneymanGeek it would make this guy happy
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Q: Add the alternative of "delisting" questions; deletion is usually harmful overkill

JeremyThere has been a lot of debate about deleted posts over the years. The classic example is the old discussion about handling old popular posts, upon which consensus has never been reached and the opinion of the majority has varied over time (deletion is currently favoured). More recent is Pekka's ...

Do you use the data dumps for anything?
Honestly, I intend to just download and sit on them unless someone needs it :D
or I need the space for something else
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I use the data dumps as a legal excuse to play with the BitTorrent protocol. :p Not much else except posterity.
I suspect as with a lot of things, I think the idea of the datadumps is more important than what I can do with them, as a not very technical computer person :D
Doesn't Charcoal or some SO moderators use it?
I don't think charcoal does
charcoal has very generous API access and mostly works with fresh data (citation needed)
For other purposes.
Ah, I've no insight there
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@JourneymanGeek Citation confirmed: Charcoal has no use for the data dumps that I'm aware of.
I think there was a project someone was playing with that involved running Charcoal's tests across every single post in the data dump and seeing if there was some spam missed. I do not know what happened to that.
Not even SOBotics or SEBotics?
in Zoe's Meta Foxhole, 5 mins ago, by Zoe - Save the data dump
It does use the data dump to process historical comments rather than just new ones, but it requires that I run it manually, which I haven't for a while
Zoe does.
Oh neat
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@Spevacus @JourneymanGeek I had taken a look at doing that a while back, and I ran into a few things. First, I had some trouble connecting it to the dump, but that is solvable. The other issue was that the dump is big enough it would have taken a really long time. One solution is "just wait and deal with it". Another is, for example, only scan really old posts and posts during the strike and skip everything else. It wouldn't be perfect, but it might well be "good enough"
What's the URL to the JSON of pingable users in a room, again?
It’s retag day.
@AndreasmovedtoCodidact No idea, but if you look in the SD source code, you may be able to find it based on the !!/blame command.
@cocomac Thanks. I've used it before, so it's in my history from probably years ago, and sent in chat, too, I just don't know what to search for. Anyway, that's a good suggestion.
> msg.room.get_current_user_ids()
mhm, seems like it's pulling current users of the room, not pingable ones.
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@AndreasmovedtoCodidact I think I found it: https://chat.meta.stackexchange.com/rooms/pingable/89 - is that what you're looking for?
@cocomac Yep! Thanks! Tried it with pretty much the room ID first...
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Gone!
Yep, 2 and now none is less than 3
 
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@Slate in the process tags table's "when to use it" column, would you mind clarifying explicitly somehow who "we" is referring to? I assume it's referring to staff, and I think most people can figure that out, but I also think it would be nice if it was clear without using that brainpower. feel free to disagree.
@starball I think it's described decently in the blurb above those tables: "The tables are written from an employee’s perspective - from the perspective of someone actually sitting down to use these tags in practice"
gets a bit verbose if I swap out the "we"s and I'm wary about making the public copy diverge too much from the internal copy, but I'll make the change if there's a general consensus that it aids readability
@Spevacus whoops. I can't read. thanks!
@Slate no-repro. I just missed the sentence spev pointed out.
np!
@Slate also, nice to see you around. keep up the good work!
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Blue bird is good bird
Thank you! :) good to see you around too
 
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Q: Bringing clarity to status tag usage on meta sites

SlateLet’s talk about the status tags. Every single user who visits a Meta believes status tags mean something. They’re not wrong, of course. But what, really, do the status tags mean? Do users’ beliefs about status tags match how they’re used? What steps do we need to take to ensure status tags are r...

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@Slate Great work! :)
@V2Blast Thank you! I wrote it with you in mind, lol.
 
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Name a better duo than V2Blast and correct tag usage (and, maybe, copy edits)
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