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Moshe

00:03

A civil @badp appeared!

(civil as opposed to wild)

Popular Demand

00:44

@TimStone from some time today, link only answers are going to be banned, I added an html parser that strips to text before measuring the length of the post — waffles 41 mins ago

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Timootinator

02:40

@TimStone YES

Tim jadarnel27

03:15

@PopularDemand :o

Tim ManishEarth

04:18

@PopularDemand Already stumped it :)

0

A: Formatting Sandbox

Use jQuery

Moshe

04:29

Be amused at what's going on here.

Anonymous

:P

Anonymous

04:42

@TimManishEarth Those castles take irritatingly long to build.

Tim ManishEarth

@TimSiteisaForum No they don't :)

I have treeks up my sleeve

Anonymous

Ah-ha.

Tim ManishEarth

namely document.body.contentEditable=true

then just realign them

with spaces and whatnot

Anonymous

hmm

Anonymous

That is a good idea.

Tim ManishEarth

04:44

and finally, use Chrome inspector and copy the source (I have to strip <p>s sometimes)

Anonymous

oh well, almost done now. :P

Tim ManishEarth

@TimSiteisaForum Oh, you're making one?

where where?

Anonymous

@TimManishEarth I'll link it, I'll be done in a minute.

Anonymous

0

A: Formatting Sandbox

lhello--and--welcome lto-banks-sand-castle l ...

Moshe

Y'all saw that exchange in the C room?

Tim ManishEarth

04:51

@TimSiteisaForum Aah :)

@Moshe Yep

Moshe

I'm doing HW and quoting spolsky. They know C, but not Joel.

Hah.

Gigili

Any computer scientist here?

Tim ManishEarth

@Gigili Amateur programmer here

@Gigili You're in the wrong room

Computer Science

General discussion for cs.stackexchange.com

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Gigili

Thanks.

Tim ManishEarth

Theoretical Computer Science

Theory Cafe

^^rather devoid of activity

Gigili

05:00

Seems more like a ghost room than anything ...

Thank you anyway.

animuson

They got a fancy exclamation point icon. :o

Tim ManishEarth

Also that

Anonymous

Haha

Tim ManishEarth

(deleting in a moment)

How many of you feel that the first vote on a borderline good-bad question determines all the rest of the votes?

Anonymous

It feels like it usually does.

Anonymous

05:07

Depends on the community, some vary in bandwagonishness. (Or at least it feels like that. It's hard to tell how much is imagined; I've never tracked it.)

animuson

05:47

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Proofreading

Proposed Q&A site for just as there is a code review site where expert programmers are asked about concrete programming snippets, there could be a proofreading site where expert writers are asked about writing snippets and forms (poems, metaphors, analogies, tech writing)

Currently in definition.

Does this guy realize that Code Review has been in beta for 477 days? o.o

Dharmendra

13 years is the valid age for create account on stackoverflow site?

Moshe

@Tim Good night.

Tim ManishEarth

@Dharmendra Yep. COPPA

Actually dunno about 13. >13, yes

Dharmendra

Hmm ok

prawcha, Nonthaburi, Thailand

49 4

I seen one of user has 13 yrs age

animuson

@TimManishEarth: It's 13+. Everything in their guidelines says for children under the age of thirteen.

Tim ManishEarth

05:50

@animuson Alright.. I know that COPPA and the rest of the legislation is 13+ inclusive, didn't know about SO

animuson

Their website is excessively plain and boring.

Dharmendra

Then what about 13 yrs?

Tim ManishEarth

@Dharmendra Yes, its fine

Are you talking about yourself?

Dharmendra

No no. I am 24 yrs old. :)

Tim ManishEarth

Alright

animuson

05:52

I was about to say I'm 20 then I remembered that I'm 21. :(

Tim ManishEarth

Since there are lots of people who use false ages to bypass online restrictions, just though I'd ask. If you were under 13, SO would be in trouble

not much, though (dunno the finer points of coppa)

Dharmendra

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Q: How do I use Stack Exchange if I'm under 13 years old?

I was just reading the Terms of Service, and noticed something: Subscriber certifies to Stack Overflow that if Subscriber is an individual (i.e., not a corporate entity), Subscriber is at least 13 years of age. No one under the age of 13 may provide any personal information to or on...

discussion faq-proposed legal terms-of-service age

Its possible to use stack exchange if user is a child

Tim ManishEarth

@Dharmendra Use, yes. You can still post, I think. But you can't hold an account

ANd of course, nothing stops you from reading it

Benjol

@Shog9 I believe it's SmartFilter. Appears to be working again now, but I don't know if that's because SmartFilter updated their database, or the sysadmin here introduced an exception (I never got an answer back from the helpdesk).

Dharmendra

Yes of-course

Benjol

05:56

@Shog9, FWIW, it looks like web sockets are blocked too, but I imagine that's a protocol thing.

Shog9

@Benjol Smart Filter jibes with this report:

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A: WYSIWYG editor missing

So this was a false positive by McAfee (that filtered down to workplace proxies and filters), we pinged them with the relevant info and got it removed from their malicious list. Here's that email response: Hello Mr. Craver, Thank you for bringing this error to our attention. The ...

animuson

What exactly is this proposal even proposing?

You ask people to help you write lyrics?

I think...

Benjol

@Shog9, good stuff. Now I've got to find out where the websockets are blocking...

Tim ManishEarth

06:36

Two gold badges in one day! w0000t!

(and I'm getting Fanatic on Phy.SE if I log in tomorrow ^.^)

animuson

Wooo I got both my Reversal badges on meta on the same day. Total surprise.

Tim ManishEarth

@animuson I had two more posts lined up for reversal (+19 and +17 i think), but they both got their questions deleted as not-constructive :O

animuson

Have a Good Answer badge :P

Tim ManishEarth

?

Ah

Thanks :)

I remember when I got my first gold (Unsung Hero on Physics).. The little yellow dot kept catching my eye and making the site feel wierd :P

@animuson Your package has been recieved ;-)

(Faster than I thought--some badges take forever.. Guess the query isn't too expensive)

animuson

06:54

Yeah those badges usually get awarded within 15 minutes.

@TimManishEarth That was my first gold badge on SO. I remember I got both of them at the same time, I believe when they first created the badge. I was confused because at the time I was still somewhat unfamiliar with the badge system and didn't understand what the text for the badge meant.

Was just like... oh cool a gold badge.

animuson

07:32

Awww, when was my Area51 proposal deleted?

They didn't even notify me or anything.

Tim ManishEarth

07:43

@animuson Which one?

They never notify on deleted stuff

Is there a 50-questions-a-month limit on MSO?

Tim ManishEarth

08:03

meta.stackoverflow.com/posts/131966/revisions Popular Demand dictated that it should be closed, but The Establishment did not agree. Isn't that the case with all governments?

Tim ManishEarth

09:30

I just discovered something new:

for(i in window){

if(i=="location"){
continue
}
window[i]="";

}

Disables all JS ^.^

(Must be an easier way to do it)

Wait, it doesn't :/

Tim Post

@animuson I think that happens during some kind of automated process. Area 51 is designed to require very little moderation. Proposals that languish (IIRC) are automatically closed after some time, and then ultimately deleted after an additional amount of time. I believe this is done so that a fizzled out proposal doesn't block a newer effort that might be focused in a way that it actually gets traction.

An e-mail notifying you of that would be rather chilling and non actionable, imho .. but I can see why you'd want to be pinged when that happens.

Dharmendra

$ ssh -vT [email protected]
OpenSSH_4.6p1, OpenSSL 0.9.8e 23 Feb 2007
debug1: Connecting to github.com [207.97.227.239] port 22.
debug1: connect to address 207.97.227.239 port 22: Connection refused
ssh: connect to host github.com port 22: Bad file number

I am not able to test the setting of my github

Tim Post

Hmmm .. is port 22 filtered on your end ? Perhaps at work behind a paranoid firewall?

Dharmendra

09:45

I am on a proxy server

Fix IP and port

Tim Post

Seems to be breaking where proxying SSH

Dharmendra

Connection refusing due to port 22

I don't know how to handle this

Tim Post

That's annoying, a local ISP here shut port 22 just like they do port 25 .. and they have tons of wifi hotspots so you never know when you're stuck with them. I just use https

Dharmendra

How I fix this issue?

Tim Post

Well, you have to make sure your local machine is sending traffic on port 22 to your proxy server, perhaps listening on a port like 1234

or , just use https

You'll just have to put in your password when you push

clone your repo via git clone https://your-repo-url .. and then when you type 'git push' it will ask for your github password

if you can reach https://github.com, you'll be able to push fine over https.

Dharmendra

09:52

Okay let me try.

Thanks

@TimPost Is there any way to use port other than the 22?

Tim Post

That should work for you. Just remember, if you add remotes, use the https:// URL.

Well, yes. You'd have to set up a SSH server listening on a non-blocked port as a proxy

I don't think Github runs SSH on a non standard port to get around the issue of ISP's blocking port 22 due to brute force attacks (similar to SMTP) . but they might.

or ... just use https, so much simpler

Dharmendra

okay.

Tim Post

So irritating. I hate it when ISPs do stuff like that.

Dharmendra

10:12

@TimPost Thanks I had done the cloning using the https:// URL.

Tim Post

It's working now?

Dharmendra

I cloning successfully using https://

Tim Post

:) Typing your password when pushing is a minor inconvenience, but no less convenient than using a pass phrase protected key. Still, shutting port 22 is a bad idea on the ISP level. Lots of people manage servers and stuff remotely, that really creates a problem for them.

awoodland

@TimPost If you use an ssh-agent to manage the pass phrase it's a per login thing though rather than per commit

Tim Post

@awoodland True .. I'm one of those exceptionally lazy people that actually does more work to avoid less :)

Tim ManishEarth

10:55

@TimPost Me too!

Shegit Brahm

11:23

how does this starring at a post worK?

does that mean to get this star as "interesting"?

Tim ManishEarth

@ShegitBrahm Well, favoriting is so that you can come back to it

(or are you talking about chat?)

Shegit Brahm

because I wrote already messages but no badge was thrown round me

Tim ManishEarth

Other than that (and some badges), favoriting has no effect on the question, unlike votes which can give it more attention.

@ShegitBrahm ?? What are you exactly talking about?

Shegit Brahm

oh, yes, talking about chat

Tim ManishEarth

Aah

That just means that it goes to the right side of the screen

Like so

Shegit Brahm

11:26

Favourites in SO I realized

Tim ManishEarth

Take a look, I'm undoing it soon

Shegit Brahm

ah, okay, I got it

:-D

Tim ManishEarth

Its for importantish messages

or something you feel that everyone should reed

(on the Tavern, it's just funny stuff that gets starred)

Shegit Brahm

yes, importance is quite - relativ in chat

Tim ManishEarth

Additionally, room owners can pin posts

See this: chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/3229/the-periodic-table

Shegit Brahm

11:28

is there automatic deletiong or will it just go down by time`?

this I read

Tim ManishEarth

in the starred list, there are two different stars

It just goes down

room owners can clear them

Shegit Brahm

I see my mistake in translating

Tim ManishEarth

pinned posts do not go down--the room owners have to clear them

Don't star all my messages

Shegit Brahm

thank you very much

Tim ManishEarth

Unstar them

Shegit Brahm

11:29

k, I will unstar you

Tim ManishEarth

:)

Shegit Brahm

somehow I thought "to stare" was meant, but it was more like favouriting

Shegit Brahm

11:43

bye

Anonymous

12:45

@TimManishEarth The pins expire after two weeks, actually. :)

Tim jadarnel27

Truth.

In a related note, I did not know that the chat faq existed until I had been using chat pretty regularly.

Also, the ~~strikethrough~~ formatting behavior is not mentioned anywhere in that faq.

Anonymous

@Timjadarnel27 Nice, now I feel better about my ignorance. :P

Tim Stone

@Timjadarnel27 That's because it's SEEKRET

Tim jadarnel27

@TimStone Hahaha. L337 skillz.

Lix

@timj - do tell... :P

I was looking how to do that the other day :P

Daniel Fischer

13:01

~~What, this?~~

Lix

/nods head furiously

Tim jadarnel27

LOL

Daniel Fischer

hyphenhyphenhyphentexthyphenhyphenhyphen

Lix

~~you guys are the best :P~~

Tim Stone

@Timjadarnel27 I should get a "Stack Exchange - I'm in the FAQ" t-shirt for that, clearly.

I should also probably get ready for work...

Tim jadarnel27

13:04

@TimStone Clearly =) Also, you are the first person I saw use that and explain it to someone.

So all chat FAQ related questions should be directed towards @TimStone.

Or I suppose @Tim would do if you really crave attention.

-1

Q: Is there an equivalent to .htaccess for .aspx sites?

I need to 301 redirect an old asp.net site to a new domain. Is this possible at the file level as with .htaccess or only through IIS?

asp.net iis

Tim ManishEarth

-strike one-

Tim jadarnel27

I feel like there is excessive rudeness going on this post.

Tim ManishEarth

<s>strike one</s>

Tim jadarnel27

I've already deleted one accept rate comment (there were three)

Tim ManishEarth

--strike--

?

Tim Rob Hruska

13:08

<del>strike one</del> ?

Tim ManishEarth

Normal GChat uses hyphens

Lix

~~thats what the chat sandbox is for :P~~

Tim ManishEarth

Not working -here- , is it?

Tim Rob Hruska

<marquee>strike one</marquee> ?

Tim ManishEarth

~~aah~~

Tim jadarnel27

13:09

This is how you use ---strikethrough---

Lix

<tim>Have you tried this?</tim>

Tim ManishEarth

~~I could get used to this~~

Tim jadarnel27

Seriously, this guy answered the question, then commented about the OPs accept rate, and then added "I might have dug out my solution for you, but I can't be bothered. Soz" to his answer.

Tim ManishEarth

@Lix that's the same as starring the message in terms of the attention it gets

Lix

@timm true true :P

Tim ManishEarth

13:14

@timJ flagflagflag

Tim jadarnel27

@TimManishEarth Go for it. I'm sure it's pretty common, but that kind of rude behavior really gets on my nerves.

I wasn't extremely confident flagging was appropriate right there (so I just downvoted and commented), so I didn't. But I suppose it is.

Lix

I might have dug out a flag for that... but I can't be bothered ;)

Tim jadarnel27

Hahaha

Tim ManishEarth

Rude=flaglagflag

@lix you forgot the soz

Tim jadarnel27

I also had to Google "Soz", because I am Internet-slang illiterate for the most part.

Lix

13:17

@timm - I'm ~~not~~ sorry :P

Tim ManishEarth

How many flags result in automatic-something-or-other?

awoodland

@TimManishEarth only takes one flag to delete most accept nagging comments

Lix

@timm - I think a close as NC or OT give an auto-slap-on-the-wrist-down-vote...

awoodland

spam and offensive get auto deleted after 8(?)

Tim ManishEarth

If you guys need any extra flags on SO, ask me if im online: I dont really use SO so my flags are full :)

@awood I mean the automatic one

Aah

awoodland

13:19

@Manishearth chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/rooms/227/posse-comitatus

@Timjadarnel27 got resolved :)

Lix

now I want to upvote that as a comment :P

Tim jadarnel27

@awoodland Well executed =)

I used to have a ~~perturbing pedantic problem~~ pet peeve about IMHO, but the people on English.SE set me straight.

Then I realized it was really just anything like that (FWIW, IANAL, etc) that was bothering me.

Then I decided that I need to calm down, and that other people are allowed to type however they want to =)

Tim Rob Hruska

No they aren't! tries to edit your chat message Gah!

Tim jadarnel27

=D

Would one of your kind folks make a comment on one of my posts. So that I get a shiny red notification?

I'm trying to test something. FOR SCIENCE.

Tim Rob Hruska

13:37

Science be praised!

Tim jadarnel27

@TimRobHruska Does that mean that you are the lucky volunteer?

Tim ManishEarth

I volunteer

FOR SCIENCEEEE!

Tim jadarnel27

You're my hero.

Tim ManishEarth

Done

Tim jadarnel27

Nice, thank you!

Tim ManishEarth

13:43

The red notification actually glows on some sites

Like Physics

Tim jadarnel27

So it appears that this feature request has been implemented in secret.

Tim ManishEarth

Aah

That was my issue as well

Tim jadarnel27

@TimManishEarth That's interesting.

Tim ManishEarth

Marc is doing stuff in SEKRIT!

Tim jadarnel27

I guess I could flag it asking for the [status-completed] tag.

Tim ManishEarth

13:46

Hey, id already requested it!

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Q: Supercollider realtime updates incomplete-ish

Alright, we have a nifty new feature for our Supercollider. It runs realtime updates and glows red automatically. Well, I keep lots of tabs open, so all the tabs get the glowing red thingy. Fine with me. But, if I read the inbox message from one tab, the glow is still visible in the others. And...

bug stackexchange-button live-refresh

Tim Post

Gotta test these new tools ... I think I'll try them out on @tim

Tim ManishEarth

Oh right I'd VTCd that as dupe

Tim jadarnel27

@TimManishEarth That's a month newer than the other post =)

Tim ManishEarth

@timP willing guinea pig

@timJ CV mine pls

Tim jadarnel27

@TimManishEarth I'm with you now, sorry. Slow sometimes. Close vote cast.

@TimPost Ooh, what new tools?

Tim ManishEarth

13:50

63

Q: Please provide moderators with better tools for moderating users in chat

Had a bit of a situation this morning between two users in chat... Won't go into detail, but we'll be strongly encouraging one of the users to never return to chat (or Stack Overflow) as a result. But I'm left feeling uneasy about it, because I can't be certain this is the first time it's hap...

feature-request chat moderator-tools

See marc's answer in particular

Tim Post

Ah, not yet working .. Marc added them to the dev / admin group instead of the mod group

Still, it's a great start :)

Tim ManishEarth

@timP kk be sure to ping me when u wanna test it! I'm looking forward to a bit of fun :p

Tim jadarnel27

Yes, and I will be glad to flag @TimManishEarth repeatedly for the purposes of testing.

=P

Tim Post

Hey, what does this incinerate user's turtle button do?

Tim ManishEarth

Turtle?

Try it on me and get an error 404: Turtle not found

Or a NullSnapperException

Tim jadarnel27

13:56

@TimPost I don't know, but I don't think the ASPCA would appreciate it.

Tim Post

Huh? No, it just screws up your LOGO program

Lix

@timj - i know spca... whats the a for?

Computer Science

Theoretical Computer Science

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