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12:21 AM

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack Thanks. Mousetail has been on vacation the past... recently. (Week, maybe? I dunno.) Art of Code was handling things in his absence, but he has less time to devote. The request to en-lozenge Nicolas is already in the queue, so to speak. I'll try to follow up. Yeah, Jeremy knows about the option and hasn't requested. I haven't discussed his motivations with him.

Blue

12:33 AM

Has there been any movement on the strike?

starball

1:09 AM

It's deeply disappointing to see early and vocal supporters of the strike so eager to jump on the bandwagon. Ideally Spencer's question would've gone unanswered until the end of the strike. It feels like when the CEO said the company's genAI efforts have community support he was right after all. It makes me wonder who I am striking for. — blackgreen on strike 1 min ago

cocomac

Yes, I'll respond to that in a moment

starball

@blackgreen I'm not asking to join the group to hop on a bandwagon

I'm asking to join so I can be a part of the conversation

Ex. I can call things out from the outside, but I assume I'll be listened to more seriously if I'm in this group.

I'm not going to put this reply in the comments on my post because I'm afraid saying this (or anything of the nature of "I want to join so I can call it out if I see something I think isn't good") there might hurt my chances of getting in.

they're going to do what they're going to do. Nothing I can say on meta will stop them from doing what they said they're going to do.

cocomac

Also... IMO, valuing good information about prompting LLMs (or gen AI overall) can co-exist with disagreeing with some AI decisions/policies enforced/created/made by SE

starball

If I want to be listened to, I'll have to try my hand at getting into the stakeholder group- or at least- that's what I think from my limited viewpoint.

@cocomac I agree

also, (and this is not to say I have a great understanding of the Stack Exchange way of things), but if nobody with at least some competent understanding of that way of things signs up for this stakeholder group, I think there's a risk of onboarding a lot of new users and building a bad foundation of a new site.

cocomac

(Earlier comment by SE staff)

@HolyBlackCat The Prompt Design site has had no impact on the GenAI policy. They have been quite separate from the start. — SpencerG ♦ yesterday

starball

1:23 AM

also @blackgreen, there are a couple things I referred to subtly (on purpose) in my application post: meta.stackexchange.com/a/390246/997587 and meta.stackexchange.com/a/390545/997587- posts of mine which perhaps you haven't seen yet

cocomac

We can't superping so blackgreen likely won't see this

starball

@cocomac yeah I know. I'm just trying to make clear who my message is addressed to. I invited them to this room, so they probably will see this later.

cocomac

@blackgreenonstrike I'm still participating in the strike (aside from a few extremely limited exceptions). I've also publicly disagreed with a number of AI-related choices SE has made. I'd still like to be able to help shape the new site, and as the new site doesn't impact AI policy, I don't see a reason why helping with the new site and striking are exclusive. While I certainly support the strike, I'm also interested in gen AI, outside of SE-associated issues. — cocomac 22 secs ago

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