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Rob

00:57

@Xnero Here is one such example.

Meta Andrew T.

05:24

@hyper-neutrino I fell asleep waiting for the script to kick in, so...

hyper-neutrino

o.O

damn. well that's certainly something :D

thanks for testing lol

Meta Andrew T.

yeah, this is like trying to undelete a roomba'd question and realizing it getting deleted again on the next roomba day

rene

06:57

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rene

07:25

sdc coffee martijnpieters

SmokeDetector

@rene brews a cup of Mocha for @martijnpieters

Luuklag

I was expecting Tink to still be asleep, but she already posted 22 mins ago

So no gaming all through the nigt ;)

Tinkeringbell

@Luuklag The backyard neighbour's rooster woke me up at 5:30, I went and closed all the windows I had still open, slept a little more... but I was up by 8:30.

Like I said, I was just waiting for the house to cool down before bed :P I think I was in bed a little past midnight.

Luuklag

You got to love roosters

Tinkeringbell

Especially when they're dead... 'halve haantjes' are tasty.

hyper-neutrino

07:39

er, I thought SD posts only made it here if they were still up after 5m? or am I remembering that wrong?

Luuklag

@hyper-neutrino yes

hyper-neutrino

huh. the post was gone before SD picked it up. could that be why it still posted here?

Luuklag

Don't know, you should ask in charcoal ;)

hyper-neutrino

fair enough :p

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

09:04

@hyper-neutrino yes. If you see the report on Meta Smoke, you'll notice the " (deleted X minutes after being reported)" is missing.

Not sure if it's a bug or not.

rene

09:30

@Luuklag I'm pretty bad at double negation but I think I got it right at that one: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/366557/… ?

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

double negating @rene

Curious

If there is an moderator for SO here, please help with this pending edit that has been in that state for a couple of days:
https://stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/29191049

Luuklag

Ah yeah, I missed the "not" part

rene

@Curious next time please remove the "thanks" and other fluff. See meta.stackexchange.com/questions/2950/…

Curious

Thanks @rene

rene

11:29

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Spevacus

12:36

@hyper-neutrino MS never registered that that post was deleted, so it's possible that, because that deletion was never detected, 5 minutes elapsed and it shot that report out to other rooms under the presumption that it was still alive. The cause of why that happened is unknown, maybe some weird server foo.

Luuklag

@Spevacus youshouldblamecaching.com

Spevacus

Probably. Lol

Rob

Lack of ca$hing.

Spevacus

Wouldn't mind some more ca$hing.

hyper-neutrino

13:04

@Spevacus ah, okay. i suppose i will refrain from being too fast in the future :p

i nuked it in 10s lol

Spevacus

@hyper-neutrino Naw, be as fast as you want. Smokey typically recognizes when a post is deleted, it's just that in this case it missed it. If you're looking for someone to blame, uh...

picks an admin's name out of a hat

Thomas Ward

hyper-neutrino

13:19

lol

Luuklag

sdc blame

SmokeDetector

@Luuklag It's Catija's fault.

Luuklag

Sorry Cat, it appears to be your fault :/

Ollie

If anyone wants to flag some R/A: gaming.stackexchange.com/q/386986/259373

Luuklag

13:42

@Ollie gone

Ollie

thx

@Luuklag Why? It's not R/A, unlike the other one, and doesn't even look NAA-

Meta Andrew T.

@Luuklag a Google search link of "Amathlaah"

Luuklag

@Ollie its plain troll

Feeds

14:01

State of the Stack Q2 2021

Teresa Dietrich on June 16, 2021

We have had an exciting couple of months here at Stack Overflow. That excitement doesn’t change our plans for the future, detailed in this post.

Spevacus

🍌

Luuklag

@Feeds A wild onebox appeared

Kevin B

🚽

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

14:19

> We are investing deeply in research across many areas to understand where our users and customers see the most value and how we can make the greatest impact across the communities, products, and platform that make up Stack Overflow and Stack Exchange

This sums it all up...

Catija

@Luuklag My understanding is that Yaakov has an answer to replace Rosie's that's being approved before being posted - but there's a better answer coming.

Meta Andrew T.

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard Yeah, we need SOTV...

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@MetaAndrewT. true, but how is it related? ;)

Kevin B

huh... how have I never heard of that one

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@Catija it would be nice to get a comment reply saying such thing then, instead of keeping us all hanging in the air. Thanks for the update! :)

@KevinB top secret

The TV is in the company cage.

Cloaked as a coffee machine.

Kevin B

14:25

funny thing is we had a letter letter TV section around that time too

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

?

What is letter letter TV section?

Kevin B

we being wher ei work

similar to SOTV

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@KevinB oh for your workplace? Maybe the CEO saw that post and wanted such thing too. :D

Kevin B

doubtful

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

Looking for the hidden TV, found something even better.

Rare moment of bare faces, they used to wear unicorn masks while taking the pictures.

Catija

14:33

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard I just found out about 30 minutes ago myself.

Spevacus

14:50

^gone

Journeyman Geek

@Catija I parsed that as Rosie's answer is being approved between posted ._.

@Catija hm. The twitter post about Teresa's State of the stack describes her as the CTO... isn't she the CPO?

Catija

Yes

... She's both

Journeyman Geek

Ah, so it's accurate and there's no room to... pedant

hyper-neutrino

on the topic of pedantry, *it's

( :) )

Journeyman Geek

>_>

PEDANT!

Catija

15:00

@hyper-neutrino I just mentally switch them whenever Geek writes them.

hyper-neutrino

@Catija LOL. i have a friend who'd always get them messed up. he's gotten better with it (still not perfect) but I usually just don't notice

just felt like being pedantic ;)

Kevin B

😉

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@Catija fair. Thanks!

Kevin B

some error notifications are acting weird today

Instead of getting a targeted notification, like you can't perform action x for another y seconds, i'm getting a system error popup

and a 503 in the console

like it's falling back to a catchall

Catija

15:21

Here?

Kevin B

on SO

in this case i was editing a comment

the rate limit popped up the system error rather than the rate limit error

it wasn't the first time i had seen that popup today though, i assumed it was just a fluke the first time

but i don't recall what first triggered it

seems to be fine now

Catija

OK. If you hit it again, take a screenshot and report it?

Catija

16:47

@rene Why?

Spevacus

Not 100% sure at the moment.

Looks pretty darn spammy to me, though.

rene

@Catija he responded in CHQ here and I'm wondering if we talk about the same/correct MS report. But he is obviously busy and Thomas is doing live debugging in CHQ so the transcript is a bit of a mess.

Catija

I can see why it might not be. It follows the patterns but it's possible that the person's just genuinely trying to understand something that they can share with their clients.

> I work for [company] that makes fireplaces and one of the questions we get from time to time is whether bi-fold doors on the fireplace should be left open or closed when there's a fire lit...

That's a legit question. The company link is unnecessary but it doesn't necessarily make it intentionally spam.

rene

Okay. Then it needs a serious edit.

Catija

Also, the IP actually matches where the company is located, so it's not, for example, a big spam farm in Asia or something.

John Dvorak

16:55

given the prominent - bold even - link, I'd say the intent is definitely spam

Catija

... I'm making assumptions about where spam comes from based on when they tend to be busy.

hyper-neutrino

Thing is there's no question, and the link isn't to another forum discussion or question or anything, it's just to the company homepage, so... not sure. I am very confident in TPUing this.

Catija

@JohnDvorak The link isn't bold on site - that's in Charcoal only.

Spevacus

The question is sorta in the title.

Catija

The title is the question.

John Dvorak

16:56

oh

Catija

It's really common for first time users to make that sort of error.

hyper-neutrino

oh wait, I forgot about that

my bad. i am not used to the title being relevant *facepalm*

rene

I'm not going to object an CM. I follow the reasoning. I might even share your doubts. Maybe this one should be undeleted and the spam flags cleared....

Spevacus

Point and laugh at the Code Golf mod ;)

hyper-neutrino

It might be appropriate to just let this off with a warning about how to avoid spamming (I think we have a link for that). It could be a legit question - the link and mention of where people are asking this is totally unnecessary though, unless they have a forum link for context, which would be appropriate.

Journeyman Geek

16:58

Well - there's stuff a local mod can check to confirm

Could do either way but not with public info

hyper-neutrino

we have this

Spevacus

Worth mentioning that their profile is also very spammy.

hyper-neutrino

might apply ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

rene

waves at @cigien

Spevacus

o/

cigien

17:00

Hi :)

Catija

-1

Q: Fireplace bi-fold doors, should they be opened or closed when you have a fire?

I work for a company that makes glass for fireplaces and we often get questions from customers about whether glass bi-fold doors on a fireplace should remain open when the fire is going or should be closed. Is there a safety reason for one or the other? A performance reason?

At the very least, it can be a learning opportunity.

rene

In 6 to 8 weeks all fireplace glass door companies have posts on diy.se .... ;)

Catija

If they're asking good question, status-completed?

user334271

May I ask a software recommendation question here? As it room often entertains casual chat.

user334271

?

rene

17:05

@Catija I'm happy to tag you as such ;)

@AlwaysConfused did you already check softwarerecs.stackexchange.com that was offered in Charcoal?

user334271

Ok

Spevacus

@AlwaysConfused I did a cursory google and found Web Whiteboard by ExplainEverything. Might be worth checking out, as you did ask for a whiteboard software with audio chat.

cigien

@Catija Yeah, I saw the question in the title, so it's possible that the user accidentally posted what looks very much like spam. Maybe applying the spam penalty on the user is a bit harsh; a warning about promotion may suffice.

As far as SD feedback goes though, that looks so close to spam that it seems to fit TP perfectly. I'd want the system to catch that, even if it was posted unintentionally. I don't know if this is the best chatroom to discuss Charcoal feedback (first time in here really), but as rene points out, the transcript in CHQ is a bit cluttered at the moment.

rene

@AlwaysConfused 85 results on whiteboard: softwarerecs.stackexchange.com/search?q=whiteboard you can narrow down that number or hand check those results.

Spevacus

@cigien We talk about most everything here.

:)

user334271

17:08

Yes i am filtering

cigien

@Spevacus Ah, cool, thanks :)

rene

@cigien it is my fault as I commented to smokey in this room that undo challenged it and that brought Catija into the conversation.

Spevacus

I agree with you, though - TP seems to fit fine here, even if a spam flag is too final for some. Curious to see what the potential spammer's next post will be, though.

rene

At least I now have a reason to post on meta.diy why my spam flag was disputed ...

cigien

Resurrecting the post is fine, I think. I don't think I would have done it myself; I would probably have left a comment after deleting telling the OP to fix it themself and raise a flag after doing so. Anyway, I can't bring myself to FP that, so the user is currently blacklisted, and their next post will be reported. I expect that will tell us a lot about the user's intent.

Catija

17:17

@cigien Sure, the post as-is (as-was?) seems to match a TP - what y'all do with stuff that gets caught, ticks all the boxes, and still somehow isn't spam... you're the expert there. :)

DavidPostill

@Catija Why wouldn't a company who makes glass for stove doors already know the answer? And if they didn't they should be redirecting their customer to the manufacturer of the stove in question?

A simple google search:

> A popular misconception is that fireplace doors are able to increase the efficiency and heat output of masonry fireplaces.

The purpose of glass doors on a fireplace is not to increase heat output or efficiency of open fires.

Manufacturers of fireplace doors typically state that the doors must be open during and for a while after fires. Studies and research have also shown that closed fireplace doors do not increase either heat output or efficiency

I vote spam

Catija

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ but giving someone the benefit of the doubt and if the question's not a duplicate, then... why not have the information?

John Dvorak

Is it possible to slap the poster with -100 (formally), dissociate the post, and despam it?

Catija

At the least what I've done is tell someone "you're spamming our site, that's not welcome and it's actively prevented"...

I don't really think that's necessary. 1 the poster doesn't have any rep to take away. 2 they'll probably not come back anyway.

cigien

@Catija Expert might be a stretch, but thanks :) Yeah, I'm fine with the feedback on the report being in the current state. As to the spamminess of the post, the fact that the OP hasn't responded with even "oops, sorry .." makes me suspicious as to their intent. OPs posting questions that look very much like spam, and then immediately ignoring activity on the post, doesn't feel right.

John Dvorak

17:25

the lack of response is never proof of malice

Catija

Immediately ignoring activity on a post is... normal for most people.

John Dvorak

@Catija sadly

Catija

I got used to it on M&TV when people would ask ID questions and then never return to do anything, not answer comments on their question, add details, notice that there's answers... nothing.

@DavidPostill Looks like an answer :P

cigien

Oh, that is sad :( Well, ok, maybe it's not spam then. I guess time will tell in this case.

John Dvorak

it is spam

cigien

17:28

Well, yes, that's what I think. I'm just willing to go with Catija and give the OP the benefit of doubt on this one.

DavidPostill

@Catija I've answered it - with two different refererences.

Let's see what happens ...

John Dvorak

🍿

Catija

@DavidPostill Nice!

Curious

17:44

hello moderators,
need help with review of the following edits on SO:
https://stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/29207102
https://stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/29207326
https://stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/29207332
https://stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/29210756

this will help unblock me contributing to more edits

Spevacus

Not sure this is the best room to ask for us to review your suggested edits, given that this is a chat room on the Meta SE server and not an SO chat room.

Curious

okay, any suggestions on any rooms in SO?

rene

I'm pretty confident SOCVR don't take those, so that is not an option.

Spevacus

I don't actually think there is a room that coordinates suggested edits or general review efforts that isn't SOCVR, and as rene said, that's not an option.

I will say, though, that I have noticed the suggested edit queue being full pretty darn often again over there on SO.

rene

I had one room in mind but that one didn't make it past freezing time so that is not an option any more.

@Curious are you editing in a specific tag?

Curious

17:50

@Spevacus yeah that's true!

@rene I edit as many new questions I can for minor formatting and grammar.

rene

if yes, you could carefully ask if a room that focuses on that tag is willing to review your pending edits. Not all rooms are open for that so ask first before you drop your list in.

Curious

okay @rene

rene

@Curious do know that this are moderators. While they can review they are always busy doing important other things. You''re looking for users with edit privileges that come at 2,000 rep

Curious

okay understood @rene thanks

Kevin B

20:36

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