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Rob
Rob
12:57 AM
@Xnero Here is one such example.
 
 
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Meta Andrew T.
Meta Andrew T.
5:24 AM
@hyper-neutrino I fell asleep waiting for the script to kick in, so...
 
hyper-neutrino
hyper-neutrino
o.O
damn. well that's certainly something :D
thanks for testing lol
 
Meta Andrew T.
Meta Andrew T.
yeah, this is like trying to undelete a roomba'd question and realizing it getting deleted again on the next roomba day
 
 
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rene
rene
6:57 AM
→ 96 messages moved to Chimney
 
rene
rene
7:25 AM
sdc coffee martijnpieters
 
SmokeDetector
SmokeDetector
@rene brews a cup of Mocha for @martijnpieters
 
Luuklag
Luuklag
I was expecting Tink to still be asleep, but she already posted 22 mins ago
So no gaming all through the nigt ;)
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
@Luuklag The backyard neighbour's rooster woke me up at 5:30, I went and closed all the windows I had still open, slept a little more... but I was up by 8:30.
Like I said, I was just waiting for the house to cool down before bed :P I think I was in bed a little past midnight.
 
Luuklag
Luuklag
You got to love roosters
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
Especially when they're dead... 'halve haantjes' are tasty.
 
hyper-neutrino
hyper-neutrino
7:39 AM
er, I thought SD posts only made it here if they were still up after 5m? or am I remembering that wrong?
 
Luuklag
Luuklag
@hyper-neutrino yes
 
hyper-neutrino
hyper-neutrino
huh. the post was gone before SD picked it up. could that be why it still posted here?
 
Luuklag
Luuklag
Don't know, you should ask in charcoal ;)
 
hyper-neutrino
hyper-neutrino
fair enough :p
 
 
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Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
9:04 AM
@hyper-neutrino yes. If you see the report on Meta Smoke, you'll notice the " (deleted X minutes after being reported)" is missing.
Not sure if it's a bug or not.
 
rene
rene
9:30 AM
@Luuklag I'm pretty bad at double negation but I think I got it right at that one: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/366557/… ?
 
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
double negating @rene
 
Curious
Curious
If there is an moderator for SO here, please help with this pending edit that has been in that state for a couple of days:
https://stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/29191049
 
Luuklag
Luuklag
Ah yeah, I missed the "not" part
 
rene
rene
@Curious next time please remove the "thanks" and other fluff. See meta.stackexchange.com/questions/2950/…
 
Curious
Curious
Thanks @rene
 
 
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rene
rene
11:29 AM
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Spevacus
Spevacus
12:36 PM
@hyper-neutrino MS never registered that that post was deleted, so it's possible that, because that deletion was never detected, 5 minutes elapsed and it shot that report out to other rooms under the presumption that it was still alive. The cause of why that happened is unknown, maybe some weird server foo.
 
Luuklag
Luuklag
@Spevacus youshouldblamecaching.com
 
Spevacus
Spevacus
Probably. Lol
 
Rob
Rob
Lack of ca$hing.
 
Spevacus
Spevacus
Wouldn't mind some more ca$hing.
 
hyper-neutrino
hyper-neutrino
1:04 PM
@Spevacus ah, okay. i suppose i will refrain from being too fast in the future :p
i nuked it in 10s lol
 
Spevacus
Spevacus
@hyper-neutrino Naw, be as fast as you want. Smokey typically recognizes when a post is deleted, it's just that in this case it missed it. If you're looking for someone to blame, uh...
picks an admin's name out of a hat
Thomas Ward
 
hyper-neutrino
hyper-neutrino
1:19 PM
lol
 
Luuklag
Luuklag
sdc blame
 
SmokeDetector
SmokeDetector
@Luuklag It's Catija's fault.
 
Luuklag
Luuklag
Sorry Cat, it appears to be your fault :/
 
Ollie
Ollie
If anyone wants to flag some R/A: gaming.stackexchange.com/q/386986/259373
 
Luuklag
Luuklag
1:42 PM
@Ollie gone
 
Ollie
Ollie
thx
@Luuklag Why? It's not R/A, unlike the other one, and doesn't even look NAA-
 
Meta Andrew T.
Meta Andrew T.
@Luuklag a Google search link of "Amathlaah"
 
Luuklag
Luuklag
@Ollie its plain troll
 
Feeds
Feeds
2:01 PM
State of the Stack Q2 2021
Teresa Dietrich on June 16, 2021
We have had an exciting couple of months here at Stack Overflow. That excitement doesn’t change our plans for the future, detailed in this post.
 
Spevacus
Spevacus
🍌
 
Luuklag
Luuklag
@Feeds A wild onebox appeared
 
Kevin B
Kevin B
🚽
 
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
2:19 PM
> We are investing deeply in research across many areas to understand where our users and customers see the most value and how we can make the greatest impact across the communities, products, and platform that make up Stack Overflow and Stack Exchange
This sums it all up...
 
Catija
Catija
@Luuklag My understanding is that Yaakov has an answer to replace Rosie's that's being approved before being posted - but there's a better answer coming.
 
Meta Andrew T.
Meta Andrew T.
@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard Yeah, we need SOTV...
 
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
@MetaAndrewT. true, but how is it related? ;)
 
Kevin B
Kevin B
huh... how have I never heard of that one
 
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
@Catija it would be nice to get a comment reply saying such thing then, instead of keeping us all hanging in the air. Thanks for the update! :)
@KevinB top secret
The TV is in the company cage.
Cloaked as a coffee machine.
 
Kevin B
Kevin B
2:25 PM
funny thing is we had a letter letter TV section around that time too
 
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
?
What is letter letter TV section?
 
Kevin B
Kevin B
we being wher ei work
similar to SOTV
 
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
@KevinB oh for your workplace? Maybe the CEO saw that post and wanted such thing too. :D
 
Kevin B
Kevin B
doubtful
 
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
Looking for the hidden TV, found something even better.
Rare moment of bare faces, they used to wear unicorn masks while taking the pictures.
 
Catija
Catija
2:33 PM
@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard I just found out about 30 minutes ago myself.
 
Spevacus
Spevacus
2:50 PM
^gone
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@Catija I parsed that as Rosie's answer is being approved between posted ._.
@Catija hm. The twitter post about Teresa's State of the stack describes her as the CTO... isn't she the CPO?
 
Catija
Catija
Yes
... She's both
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
Ah, so it's accurate and there's no room to... pedant
 
hyper-neutrino
hyper-neutrino
on the topic of pedantry, *it's
( :) )
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
>_>
PEDANT!
 
Catija
Catija
3:00 PM
@hyper-neutrino I just mentally switch them whenever Geek writes them.
 
hyper-neutrino
hyper-neutrino
@Catija LOL. i have a friend who'd always get them messed up. he's gotten better with it (still not perfect) but I usually just don't notice
just felt like being pedantic ;)
 
Kevin B
Kevin B
😉
 
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
@Catija fair. Thanks!
 
Kevin B
Kevin B
some error notifications are acting weird today
Instead of getting a targeted notification, like you can't perform action x for another y seconds, i'm getting a system error popup
and a 503 in the console
like it's falling back to a catchall
 
Catija
Catija
3:21 PM
Here?
 
Kevin B
Kevin B
on SO
in this case i was editing a comment
the rate limit popped up the system error rather than the rate limit error
it wasn't the first time i had seen that popup today though, i assumed it was just a fluke the first time
but i don't recall what first triggered it
seems to be fine now
 
Catija
Catija
OK. If you hit it again, take a screenshot and report it?
 
 
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Catija
Catija
4:47 PM
@rene Why?
 
Spevacus
Spevacus
Not 100% sure at the moment.
Looks pretty darn spammy to me, though.
 
rene
rene
@Catija he responded in CHQ here and I'm wondering if we talk about the same/correct MS report. But he is obviously busy and Thomas is doing live debugging in CHQ so the transcript is a bit of a mess.
 
Catija
Catija
I can see why it might not be. It follows the patterns but it's possible that the person's just genuinely trying to understand something that they can share with their clients.
> I work for [company] that makes fireplaces and one of the questions we get from time to time is whether bi-fold doors on the fireplace should be left open or closed when there's a fire lit...
That's a legit question. The company link is unnecessary but it doesn't necessarily make it intentionally spam.
 
rene
rene
Okay. Then it needs a serious edit.
 
Catija
Catija
Also, the IP actually matches where the company is located, so it's not, for example, a big spam farm in Asia or something.
 
John Dvorak
John Dvorak
4:55 PM
given the prominent - bold even - link, I'd say the intent is definitely spam
 
Catija
Catija
... I'm making assumptions about where spam comes from based on when they tend to be busy.
 
hyper-neutrino
hyper-neutrino
Thing is there's no question, and the link isn't to another forum discussion or question or anything, it's just to the company homepage, so... not sure. I am very confident in TPUing this.
 
Catija
Catija
@JohnDvorak The link isn't bold on site - that's in Charcoal only.
 
Spevacus
Spevacus
The question is sorta in the title.
 
Catija
Catija
The title is the question.
 
John Dvorak
John Dvorak
4:56 PM
oh
 
Catija
Catija
It's really common for first time users to make that sort of error.
 
hyper-neutrino
hyper-neutrino
oh wait, I forgot about that
my bad. i am not used to the title being relevant *facepalm*
 
rene
rene
I'm not going to object an CM. I follow the reasoning. I might even share your doubts. Maybe this one should be undeleted and the spam flags cleared....
 
Spevacus
Spevacus
Point and laugh at the Code Golf mod ;)
 
hyper-neutrino
hyper-neutrino
It might be appropriate to just let this off with a warning about how to avoid spamming (I think we have a link for that). It could be a legit question - the link and mention of where people are asking this is totally unnecessary though, unless they have a forum link for context, which would be appropriate.
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
4:58 PM
Well - there's stuff a local mod can check to confirm
Could do either way but not with public info
 
hyper-neutrino
hyper-neutrino
 
Spevacus
Spevacus
Worth mentioning that their profile is also very spammy.
 
hyper-neutrino
hyper-neutrino
might apply ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
rene
rene
waves at @cigien
 
Spevacus
Spevacus
o/
 
cigien
cigien
5:00 PM
Hi :)
 
Catija
Catija
-1
Q: Fireplace bi-fold doors, should they be opened or closed when you have a fire?

Mike MonaghanI work for a company that makes glass for fireplaces and we often get questions from customers about whether glass bi-fold doors on a fireplace should remain open when the fire is going or should be closed. Is there a safety reason for one or the other? A performance reason?

wood fireplace glass woodstove fire
At the very least, it can be a learning opportunity.
 
rene
rene
In 6 to 8 weeks all fireplace glass door companies have posts on diy.se .... ;)
 
Catija
Catija
If they're asking good question, status-completed?
 
user334271
May I ask a software recommendation question here? As it room often entertains casual chat.
 
user334271
?
 
rene
rene
5:05 PM
@Catija I'm happy to tag you as such ;)
@AlwaysConfused did you already check softwarerecs.stackexchange.com that was offered in Charcoal?
 
user334271
Ok
 
Spevacus
Spevacus
@AlwaysConfused I did a cursory google and found Web Whiteboard by ExplainEverything. Might be worth checking out, as you did ask for a whiteboard software with audio chat.
 
cigien
cigien
@Catija Yeah, I saw the question in the title, so it's possible that the user accidentally posted what looks very much like spam. Maybe applying the spam penalty on the user is a bit harsh; a warning about promotion may suffice.
As far as SD feedback goes though, that looks so close to spam that it seems to fit TP perfectly. I'd want the system to catch that, even if it was posted unintentionally. I don't know if this is the best chatroom to discuss Charcoal feedback (first time in here really), but as rene points out, the transcript in CHQ is a bit cluttered at the moment.
 
rene
rene
@AlwaysConfused 85 results on whiteboard: softwarerecs.stackexchange.com/search?q=whiteboard you can narrow down that number or hand check those results.
 
Spevacus
Spevacus
@cigien We talk about most everything here.
:)
 
user334271
5:08 PM
Yes i am filtering
 
cigien
cigien
@Spevacus Ah, cool, thanks :)
 
rene
rene
@cigien it is my fault as I commented to smokey in this room that undo challenged it and that brought Catija into the conversation.
 
Spevacus
Spevacus
I agree with you, though - TP seems to fit fine here, even if a spam flag is too final for some. Curious to see what the potential spammer's next post will be, though.
 
rene
rene
At least I now have a reason to post on meta.diy why my spam flag was disputed ...
 
cigien
cigien
Resurrecting the post is fine, I think. I don't think I would have done it myself; I would probably have left a comment after deleting telling the OP to fix it themself and raise a flag after doing so. Anyway, I can't bring myself to FP that, so the user is currently blacklisted, and their next post will be reported. I expect that will tell us a lot about the user's intent.
 
Catija
Catija
5:17 PM
@cigien Sure, the post as-is (as-was?) seems to match a TP - what y'all do with stuff that gets caught, ticks all the boxes, and still somehow isn't spam... you're the expert there. :)
 
DavidPostill
DavidPostill
@Catija Why wouldn't a company who makes glass for stove doors already know the answer? And if they didn't they should be redirecting their customer to the manufacturer of the stove in question?
A simple google search:
> A popular misconception is that fireplace doors are able to increase the efficiency and heat output of masonry fireplaces.

The purpose of glass doors on a fireplace is not to increase heat output or efficiency of open fires.

Manufacturers of fireplace doors typically state that the doors must be open during and for a while after fires. Studies and research have also shown that closed fireplace doors do not increase either heat output or efficiency
I vote spam
 
Catija
Catija
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ but giving someone the benefit of the doubt and if the question's not a duplicate, then... why not have the information?
 
John Dvorak
John Dvorak
Is it possible to slap the poster with -100 (formally), dissociate the post, and despam it?
 
Catija
Catija
At the least what I've done is tell someone "you're spamming our site, that's not welcome and it's actively prevented"...
I don't really think that's necessary. 1 the poster doesn't have any rep to take away. 2 they'll probably not come back anyway.
 
cigien
cigien
@Catija Expert might be a stretch, but thanks :) Yeah, I'm fine with the feedback on the report being in the current state. As to the spamminess of the post, the fact that the OP hasn't responded with even "oops, sorry .." makes me suspicious as to their intent. OPs posting questions that look very much like spam, and then immediately ignoring activity on the post, doesn't feel right.
 
John Dvorak
John Dvorak
5:25 PM
the lack of response is never proof of malice
 
Catija
Catija
Immediately ignoring activity on a post is... normal for most people.
 
John Dvorak
John Dvorak
@Catija sadly
 
Catija
Catija
I got used to it on M&TV when people would ask ID questions and then never return to do anything, not answer comments on their question, add details, notice that there's answers... nothing.
@DavidPostill Looks like an answer :P
 
cigien
cigien
Oh, that is sad :( Well, ok, maybe it's not spam then. I guess time will tell in this case.
 
John Dvorak
John Dvorak
it is spam
 
cigien
cigien
5:28 PM
Well, yes, that's what I think. I'm just willing to go with Catija and give the OP the benefit of doubt on this one.
 
DavidPostill
DavidPostill
@Catija I've answered it - with two different refererences.
Let's see what happens ...
 
John Dvorak
John Dvorak
🍿
 
Catija
Catija
@DavidPostill Nice!
 
Curious
Curious
5:44 PM
hello moderators,
need help with review of the following edits on SO:
https://stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/29207102
https://stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/29207326
https://stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/29207332
https://stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/29210756

this will help unblock me contributing to more edits
 
Spevacus
Spevacus
Not sure this is the best room to ask for us to review your suggested edits, given that this is a chat room on the Meta SE server and not an SO chat room.
 
Curious
Curious
okay, any suggestions on any rooms in SO?
 
rene
rene
I'm pretty confident SOCVR don't take those, so that is not an option.
 
Spevacus
Spevacus
I don't actually think there is a room that coordinates suggested edits or general review efforts that isn't SOCVR, and as rene said, that's not an option.
I will say, though, that I have noticed the suggested edit queue being full pretty darn often again over there on SO.
 
rene
rene
I had one room in mind but that one didn't make it past freezing time so that is not an option any more.
@Curious are you editing in a specific tag?
 
Curious
Curious
5:50 PM
@Spevacus yeah that's true!
@rene I edit as many new questions I can for minor formatting and grammar.
 
rene
rene
if yes, you could carefully ask if a room that focuses on that tag is willing to review your pending edits. Not all rooms are open for that so ask first before you drop your list in.
 
Curious
Curious
okay @rene
 
rene
rene
@Curious do know that this are moderators. While they can review they are always busy doing important other things. You''re looking for users with edit privileges that come at 2,000 rep
 
Curious
Curious
okay understood @rene thanks
 
 
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Kevin B
Kevin B
8:36 PM
🚽
 

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