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2:48 AM

^^ The answer humorously reveals itself: meta.stackexchange.com/q/354071/282094

Meta Andrew T.

3:09 AM

My code doesn't run. It doesn't have legs, only colons.

Must be markup.

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4:49 AM

stackoverflow.blog/2020/09/11/…

John Dvorak

🚽

Dear Windows: Yes, I've been delaying that restart for a few days now. No, it's not appropriate to clickjack me to obtain a fake consent to restart. And if you do gracefully allow me to save the work in apps that don't just shut down or crash on request from you... do actually let me save the work before clickjacking me again.

... not that there's any work left to save after half of the system has decided to obey and suicide.

5:14 AM

^ Few things nicer than VMWare Snapshot, dare I say it's better than pizza.

Meta Andrew T.

5:54 AM

@Feeds Tavern 270: How blog articles can become onebox

Sonic the Masked Werehog

7:07 AM

status-kaboom

status-needs-one-mor

status-dupe

yeah

Sonic the Masked Werehog

(edited, was reply to wrong one)

Important to get our administration right ;)

Sonic the Masked Werehog

I wonder what the mod message template is for the "asking programming questions on Meta" suspension reason

You get one soon ;)

Journeyman Geek

7:20 AM

There isn't one

@Ollie Fourth!

@MetaAndrewT. shot of luck.

> Im 18 years old 5'4 tall and 53kg,

Well this might be true, still a spammer. ;)

Skinny spammer.

7:38 AM

→ 23 messages moved to Chimney

8:08 AM

@mag think you moved @rene's plz-delete requests to Chimney too... on purpose?

IMO they shouldn't be moved, only Smokey reports.

oh

sorry

All good. ;)

8:41 AM

@ShadowWizardWearingMask @mag doesn't like blurry flowers ;)

@ShadowWizardWearingMask no, @mag was right in doing that - obsolete delete requests get stuck there too sometimes

@Mithical 99.99999999999% of the messages here are useless, so based on that logic we should move them all to a different room.

It's all "get stuck" in the transcript.

That said, need something to get unstuck....

!!/coffee

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizardWearingMask brews a cup of Latte for @ShadowWizardWearingMask

And now for...

sdc tea Oll

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizardWearingMask brews a cup of lemon tea for @Oll

8:56 AM

@ShadowWizardWearingMask Not so much "useless" as "moderation request that has served its purpose"

Same as coffee requests...

And tea requests....

And ping requests for @M.A.R. who disappeared....

:P

Aibobot

Tea requests are srs

Aibobot

9:44 AM

hm, I might need to ask a question on bricks if I have the time

for some strange reason all my questions are about spare parts

@Aibobot hope you won't ask on biology.SE then... :D

Aibobot

naw, Its @M.A.R. that has an extra kidney

Milestone reached ....

3

10:19 AM

Lucky 7 🍀

@rene Thanks for that query, there are 1000's on Stack Overflow!

hmm, if it is that wide spread might as well put it in network-wide query

10:49 AM

Do y'all reckon I'd need to ask a SO mod and/or CM before starting to flag serial voting again?

Background being that these take a couple days to process usually and I don't want to have a mod or cm decide to decline all of them while I have 400 pending :P

@mag maybe good to give SO mods a heads up. Do you have access to them somewhere?

@Rob network wide: data.stackexchange.com/meta.stackexchange/query/1293445 3268 cases

Thanks, not as bad as it could have been.

11:07 AM

@rene no

@mag Okay, I pinged two of the SOCVR resident mods in our back channel and pointed them to your message. I assume they let you know. Or suspend you upfront. Up to them ;)

Better a timed suspension then 400 declined flags

although hellban is no longer a thing it'd sting a bit more

@rene I was gonna start after work this evening. I'm pingable until then from now too :)

thanks for helping

np, yw

11:36 AM

@Rob where?

The Overflow #38: More threads than cores

@Shad, previous comment.

@rene, your query isn't counting accurately - the original one (11 dupes) when ran on SO reports this user has 10 dupes (at least on one line), but very quickly eyeballing their profile I see a couple of dozen: stackoverflow.com/users/1067051/… and 6, stackoverflow.com/users/1067051/… - stopped checking there (busy).

Sometimes he has a duplication of a few on one, sometimes it's a duplication of several on one question, various amounts on different pages - definitely more than just 10 (could be 10 groups of however many each - which is a far greater total than 10).

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12:07 PM

Ryan Donovan on September 11, 2020

Welcome to ISSUE #38 of the Overflow! This newsletter is by developers, for developers, written and curated by the Stack Overflow team and Cassidy Williams at Netlify. This week, a look at the staying power of object-oriented programming, the olden days of backing up a hard drive to a ton of CDs, the top five most irritating web…

12:21 PM

@Feeds Less threads than clothes: stackoverflow.blog/2020/09/04/…

@mag I don't see any problem with it. If you're not familiar with Dharman, he's been trying to do the same thing. Could be worth coordinating efforts

12:40 PM

Well, to clarify, if you dump 400 in at once that might not the greatest. Maybe pace yourself too

too late ...

I did 3 and they've been pending for four days - might be a surprise when you get the result of 400 (or even a dozen).

And if you're not already aware, CMs are focusing the backlog this week

I've been slinging targeted voting notices myself this morning

It was meant that the CM's would get the backlog done, not you adding more to the backlog ..

Meta Andrew T.

put another on the frontlog

12:53 PM

These are just notices to people that their voting schemes have been foiled by some meddlesome kids and their dog

@Machavity Ooh, that'd be interesting

Do you know of any chat room he's interested in?

He's a SOCVR regular

He's been playing with a bot he wrote

i mean wrt pacing myself using up my 100 custom flags a day does count as a pace

you didn't specify what kind of pace...

Heh. I wouldn't drop 100 a day in. Voting stuff is a feast or famine thing. Sometimes the tools make it clear they are socks or voting rings. But voting rings are also one of the most time intensive mod things out there

Got a serial voting reversal just today, which is pretty darn quick since I flagged less than a week ago.

1:00 PM

I had voting ring escalations from yesterday handled today. That's never happened since I got modded

2

Additionally, navigating to one of the posts that randomly got a downvote, everything seems normal. When I expand the vote totals (clicking the vote count number) the downvote that was there reverses, then when I refresh the page it has one higher score than before I checked the vote breakout.

I guess the vote totals for those posts don't get refreshed until something kicks them?

There's a recalculation process that kicks off when any kind of reversal happens

I found a guy earlier this week who had a 2-year old sock and had done about a dozen upvotes and not got caught. So last month he rolled up 3 more and that caught our attention

Christmas Fireplace - 4K - Crackling Fire, Fire burning - 12 Hours

These logs will burn before any others are finished:

►

When I nuked the old sock, all that rep went away, despite the age of the votes

Protip: Don't use sockpuppets to vote for yourself in a mod election...

1:04 PM

I've read tales of super deep-rooted sock puppet voting rings before. Kind of crazy the lengths to which people will go to to game the system.

gnat

> In total we have almost 600 unhandled CM escalations today. We do apologize for that. To remedy the situation, we have decided that the entire Community Team... will be exclusively working on CM escalation requests for two weeks, from September 8th to September 18th.

@Spevacus I've seen people I flagged for a 100 rep incident lose 2000+ rep in the reckoning

can't see beyond what happened there but it must have been substantially bigger then that incident

Crazy.

Largest voting ring was around 10k sockpuppets (was a long time ago). That's not an exaggeration either. I suspect a lot of mod and CM tooling got written to help catch that much earlier

gnat

@Machavity you can experiment escalating flag I raised at SO about 6 hours ago. This case is interesting because it's a recidive of a massive series (138 upvotes to single user, go figure) that was reverted just three days ago. As I mentioned recently at MSO, "folks who do it after it's gone can just restart and enjoy for yet another year knowing that their method gives them so much time to have fun"

1:17 PM

@gnat if you're interested in catching serial voting on a more systemic scale

I wrote some queries and dharman did too

@gnat I've seen it floating around but I haven't had time to look into it. As I said, it's a time intensive process

Back when Yvette was still consuming serial voting flags like a madwoman they still usually sat for a couple of weeks

I think I had over 300 pending at some point

she said at some point that it takes 30 minutes or so on average to investigate one

@mag Let me see what the other mods would be comfortable with as a rate. 100 per day would fill the custom queue up really fast

@Machavity If the rates didn't substantially shift it's around 60-100 cases a week that end up flagged for serial upvoting and voting rings, about 30-50 for serial downvoting if I start flagging that too

I see that Dharman has flagged quite a few and a few more yet end up caught naturally in other investigations but last time I cleared my backlog was in July 2019, so there'll be plenty of flag candidates for some months

60 per week isn't bad IMO. If the tools verify they're socks, they go fast and Martjin does a lot of them every week, probably via the internal list

1:26 PM

I'd estimate there's a backlog of around 1200 or so users though

Not surprising

Consider waiting on any major actions until the CM burn is done. I've had 5k serial voting rep reversed this morning alone. You might find some of them have just been waiting on invalidation