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user1306322

00:24

twitter.com/valvesoftware/status/1196566870360387584

bobobobo

While on the subject of cool pianos youtu.be/v4MtrUIMlV4?t=1m12s

user1306322

@bobobobo oh hey you're here

what's your opinion on threaded comments?

I only wanted to propose them for meta sites where discussion is more relevant than purely clarification comments like on main sites

the question I bountied was many years old and wasn't specific on that part, so I'll probably post my own with this distinction at some point

but I wanted to know what your angle was on this matter

bobobobo

@user1306322 I have been a huge proponent of threaded comments since 2012 .. I am way into threaded comments and threading in general, in fact I have written a library called "threaden" github.com/superwills/threaden .. you can see my threading fanaticism in action here: meta.stackexchange.com/a/144909

Sonic the Reinstate Monica-hog

03:41

46

Q: How do I get attention for old, unfixed bug reports and feature requests without official responses here on Meta?

I posted a question here on Meta Stack Exchange, or on a per-site meta, regarding a bug I found in the system. I got no comments, or a few comments stating that this is a legitimate bug (and not by design). However, it's been quite a long time, and no official response was ever posted there. Or,...

Rob

03:51

I'd say that "I think you need to explain the details well and gain 100's of upvotes", but "we've" done the great explaining and only managed to score a few votes, essentially our own, and simply pushed ahead - of course that's hardly helpful in this case. --- Knowing when to hold 'em, fold 'em and a drinking horse all come to mind.

Feeds

05:33

Podcast: A Few Of Our Favorite Things About React

Ben Popper on November 19, 2019

Our guest this week is Kent C Dodds, a developer who makes a terrific impact on the community through his workshops, talks, and newsletter. We chat about why he loves React and how he automated his way from a business analyst to a full fledged software engineer. Plus, the value of execution versus intelligence, and how version control worked in the days before Git.

The crew chats about how Paul and Sara made the transition from individual contributors to managers overseeing teams of engineers. Sara used to see this transition as a form of selling out, but has a new perspective after having mad …

Sonic the Reinstate Monica-hog

05:56

Um...that's missing the, you know, podcast.

0

Q: Blog post announcing today's podcast is missing the link to the audio

There was a new podcast announced on the blog just now. There is a long description about what's happening in the podcast ...except it's missing the link to the actual podcast. Can that mistake please be fixed? (Also, what's the podcast number?)

bug blog podcast

rene

06:08

@SonictheReinstateMonica-hog maybe they went silent?

→ 18 messages moved to Chimney

Rob

Shows up elsewhere: the-stack-overflow-podcast.simplecast.com/episodes/…

rene

06:43

Hey @Tinkeringbell I'm pretty sure our trains pass each other this day. I'm waving like mad, please don't make me look like a fool by not waving back ...

Sonic the Reinstate Monica-hog

07:01

@Bart Ports also used to be fun with those too

Tinkeringbell

@rene Sorry... I actually fell asleep for a few stops!

Shadow The Princess Wizard

07:13

lol

Now I wonder if @rene really did it.... :D

Next time vid or it never happened!

Shadow The Princess Wizard

07:54

@user58 morning! Hope the sirens didn't wake you up too early?

mag

tfw you're doing SELECT TOP 99.99999999999999999999 PERCENT to preserve the functionality of ORDER BY in a view

broken code and dirty tricks

Tinkeringbell

Playtime! The development server is stuck/broken/unresponsive :)

Shadow The Princess Wizard

@Tinkeringbell hammertime!

mag

@rene do you have a better idea to force ORDER BY into a view?

Shadow The Princess Wizard

@JNat cross site spammer to start the morning with. :)

What's wrong with Select Top 100 Percent?? @mag

mag

08:05

the execution plan optimises it out and the results don't come back ordered

Shadow The Princess Wizard

@mag ugh, sounds like Microsoft.

rene

@mag have a clustered index included that satifies your order by

Shadow The Princess Wizard

hmm

38

Q: Create a view with ORDER BY clause

I'm trying to create a view with an ORDER BY clause. I have create it successfully on SQL Server 2012 SP1, but when I try to re-create it on SQL Server 2008 R2, I get this error: Msg 102, Level 15, State 1, Procedure TopUsers, Line 11Incorrect syntax near 'OFFSET'. The code to create the...

sql-server database tsql view sql-server-2008-r2

JAD

was about to link that

Shadow The Princess Wizard

lol

@rene whatever it is you meant, why not post it as new answer on the SO question above?

!!/blame someone

SmokeDetector

08:10

@ShadowThePrincessWizard It's John Dvorak's fault.

Shadow The Princess Wizard

Fair enough.

rene

@ShadowThePrincessWizard you can't have a clustered index on an aggregate function, so on that specific question it won't fit.

JAD

@ShadowThePrincessWizard doesn't seem like an option in that specific question's case, since the table already has a different primary key

and that

rene

And the clustered index trick is an implementation detail of specific SQL Server versions, it is not contractual

JAD

because it's making assumptions about what the optimiser will do?

mag

08:15

@rene on a view? I have no idea how to do that

the crux of the issue is I have a view and I don't control the select query that gets applied to that view. Our software does not allow me to customize the query that will eventually draw from the view, it is always a SELECT * FROM View. But I do need ordering in the view somehow

right now i'm relying on TOP 99.999999999999999999 PERCENT. Essentially an educated guess for how many 9s I need to not cut a result out of the set. I don't know if this'll stop working when we update SQL Server

Shadow The Princess Wizard

@JAD ninja'd by @rene :)

JAD

@ShadowThePrincessWizard nah, different reason

Shadow The Princess Wizard

Still, flower is fast.

status-enjoying-my-morning-waffle

mag

my order by is also in practice a complicated aggregate function

JAD

and a top x where x > number of rows of the table? Not sure if that is optimised away or not

Shadow The Princess Wizard

08:20

@mag now that I think of that, I also found out years ago I can't order in the view itself, so created a wrapper for the code reading from the view to do that.

mag

not an option in my case

I need to somehow trick the view into ordering

JAD

I think the way to do that is to make it so that the source data is already sufficiently ordered that the optimiser will leave the ordering in place

Shadow The Princess Wizard

@mag so looks like the Select Top 99999999 is your only option, or something as dirty.

JAD

which I think is also what rene was suggesting with the clustered index

mag

the source of the data is differently ordered and used in many other ways in other ordering then I need the view to be

Shadow The Princess Wizard

08:22

oh almost forgot

taking @Vogel out of the jar

mag

also, I have 3 views that draw on the same source and do need different ordering - with aggregate ordering conditions in each one

JAD

@mag couldn't you programmatically deduce from the tables howmany 9s you need?

mag

@JAD good idea

JAD

I've also read something about top 9223372036854775807 (max bigint) working. But I'm not sure how up to date that is.

Shadow The Princess Wizard

Select Top 6-8 * From FooBar

mag

08:32

it's dumb that I have to trick SQL Server into cooperating with me since there's no way to turn off the over-optimizing

JAD

hmm, the part where you can't control the select statement sounds kinda silly too tbh

Can't necessarily blame SQL Sever for using only half of its functionality

btw, there's no option to use an SP instead of a view?

mag

nope, view only

and yes, legacy software limitations

Shadow The Princess Wizard

...or PostgreSQL instead of SQL Server?

Dunno if PostgreSQL supports what you need, but if it does, the client will just have to change connection string. I think. :)

JAD

eh, I currently have to work with a database where for the sake of easy filtering, they decided to add indexes on every single column

Shadow The Princess Wizard

Ouch?

JAD

08:38

tables with 100+ rows

Shadow The Princess Wizard

Oh hello @aki long time no see!

JAD

can't even calculate index space in properties :P

Shadow The Princess Wizard

lol

mag

@ShadowThePrincessWizard I can't change the entire DBMS of our flagship ERP software to support view ordering, lol

Shadow The Princess Wizard

hmm... @g3rv4 can you please give aki write access here? (if she wants it, of course)

Since looks like the Localization rooms are all frozen by now....

@mag you can, if you want it enough. :D

Tinkeringbell

08:49

@ShadowThePrincessWizard Fixed already. That was no fun :(

Shadow The Princess Wizard

@Tinkeringbell yeah.... once while at amdocs our dev server was also down for whole day, had to perform debugging on production server. Not nice at all.

Tinkeringbell

Yeah, that's bad too...

At least I can argue that I don't have the necessary access to that one to try debugging there ;)

Shadow The Princess Wizard

:D

Vogel612's Shadow

@ShadowThePrincessWizard ~rapidly expands into a cloud of shadow, then condenses into droplets, forming into a pool in the darkest corner of the room

Shadow The Princess Wizard

09:06

using a mop to collect @Vog and squeeze him into a bucket

Vogel612's Shadow

~opens a single, mildy bloodshot eye

Shadow The Princess Wizard

admitting defeat and surrendering to The Eye of @Vogel

Vogel612's Shadow

~closes eye again. The liquid shadow in the bucket forms small ripples over and over

Shadow The Princess Wizard

moving bucket containing @Vog very gently to the Den so it won't intoxify the innocent Tavern folk

Tinkeringbell

09:30

If you need a bigger mop, let me know ;)

Shadow The Princess Wizard

09:49

:P

JAD

10:44

btw, this needs a final closevote: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/338371/…

user58

@ShadowThePrincessWizard I slept through them.

Shadow The Princess Wizard

11:03

@user58 oh. That's not really good... unless there weren't real alarms in your actual area?

I mean, better safe than sorry... we can't depend on Iron Dome to always catch the missiles.

The forest of Reinstate Monica

alarms?

Shadow The Princess Wizard

@JAD not sure that's the purpose of that close reason. That was never really a bug, just cache/queue of items to be processed. The "Can no longer be reproduced" is for requests/bug reports that become void when something else changes, e.g. request to change design of accept rate, after there's no more accept rate.

Who here is old enough to remember accept rate, except @rene and @Bart? ;)

user58

@ShadowThePrincessWizard Nah, they weren't right by me

Shadow The Princess Wizard

@user58 good... :)

user58

@TheforestofReinstateMonica Air raid sirens would be more accurate.

Shadow The Princess Wizard

11:07

@TheforestofReinstateMonica yup, missiles from Syria.

Tinkeringbell

→ 9 messages moved to Trashcan

user58

I would prefer for this conversation to not be held here, though, especially as I'm headed out now.

Tinkeringbell

That's not a conversation we're having here, not on that tone.

The forest of Reinstate Monica

In this case, it seems to be fighting back to regain lost land, from what I understand.

But I could be misunderstanding the situation (this is just based on what I read).

@user58 Alright, I'll head out. Peace.

Tinkeringbell

@user58 Go :) I'm having lunch so a perfect excuse to spend some time keeping this rabble in line ;)

Shadow The Princess Wizard

11:11

@Tinkeringbell actually the tone was fine, but you decide.

user58

Heh

The forest of Reinstate Monica

I was hoping the tone was OK. No one deserves violence. But that goes both ways. It's hard for people who come back from vacation to realize... well they aren't allowed back in their own house anymore. And in fact, the land they grew up in is no longer theirs. That I think is problematic. But so are missiles.

user58

runs to catch bus

Shadow The Princess Wizard

catching @user58's bus first

djsmiley2k - CoW

AHhhhhh tp link why does this device have telnet open with username and password of admin D:

Tinkeringbell

11:12

Well, like the trashed messages say... you don't get to imply such things. No arguing about that.

@djsmiley2k-CoW To annoy you, or to tempt you?

djsmiley2k - CoW

@Tinkeringbell well I accidently logged into it while trying to figure out wtf it was on the network of a customer site :D

Tinkeringbell

so, the latter then :)

Shadow The Princess Wizard

"accidently".... yeah....

:P

"I accidently entered your house, the door was open..." :D

The forest of Reinstate Monica

More like "no one's homes are theirs anymore, it's our land now"

Granted, other countries have done the exact same thing (I'm looking at you, America...)

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowThePrincessWizard More like leaving the toilet unlocked perhaps, if djsmiley is working for that customer ;)

The forest of Reinstate Monica

11:14

(wait, can I be anti-America in here?)

Tinkeringbell

implies they're already in the house :)

Shadow The Princess Wizard

@Tinkeringbell usually nothing to take from toilets, so less interesting. :D

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowThePrincessWizard knitting patterns?

Shadow The Princess Wizard

lol

Golden Toilet Paper

Tinkeringbell

Personal data (most Dutch toilets have a birthday calendar. Don't ask)

Shadow The Princess Wizard

11:16

@Tinkeringbell I ask! o_O :D

Here many have dirty jokes posters, or books.

But never saw calendar.... ? lol

Personally never put any of those... just have what we actually need in there.

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowThePrincessWizard That's more of a student house toilet. No books in ours... though now that I'm thinking about it I think mom also hasn't put up the calendar after ours was renovated.

Shadow The Princess Wizard

@Tinkeringbell you can ask her to put it, never too late. ;)

Tinkeringbell

Hahaha, well, my guess would be that if we were to have a new one, she wants a new calendar first. Ours was getting oooold ;)

You know... dead people on it and stuff.

Ooh! It even has a 'stuffDutchPeopleLike' entry! stuffdutchpeoplelike.com/2010/11/19/the-birthday-calendar XD

djsmiley2k - CoW

hmmmm

need more youtube 'maker' stuff to watch D:

Shadow The Princess Wizard

@Tinkeringbell oh, ouch.

The forest of Reinstate Monica

11:24

Dead people on a calendar?

Shadow The Princess Wizard

My wife gives my mom a calendar with our kids pictures every year for the last 6-8 years or so.

@TheforestofReinstateMonica calendar marking people's birthdays.

@Tink had it in her toilets. ;)

The forest of Reinstate Monica

I don't get it.

oh

nvm

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowThePrincessWizard have you read the link? It's a calendar, and it doesn't carry weeks/years, so you just use the same one for years. In the end, that means some of the old people you know pass away. You usually put a cross behind their names, some people put the date/year the person passed away on it too...

Shadow The Princess Wizard

:)

Tinkeringbell

I don't think mom did that though.

The forest of Reinstate Monica

11:25

I don't use a calendar. I just keep notes and hope I remember things.

Tinkeringbell

I'd have to check ;)

Shadow The Princess Wizard

@TheforestofReinstateMonica most people these days rely on Facebook to "remember" birthdays.

The forest of Reinstate Monica

I don't have Facebook either. Thankfully I don't celebrate birthdays anyway.

Shadow The Princess Wizard

Good for you!

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowThePrincessWizard Oof, yeah, that one is a crime. So, if one of my cousins has her birthday, both her, her sister, my aunt, and my uncle will post something on Facebook, like 'It's my/cousin's birthday today'. And then seriously have the nerve to get mad at you if you don't congratulate all of them, don't reply to all of their posts!

Hitodama

11:28

@TheforestofReinstateMonica A Very Merry Unbirthday to You!

Tinkeringbell

I just disabled posting on my timeline for others, and I'm also not notifying people it's my birthday. Works like a charm ;)

The forest of Reinstate Monica

Happy "Earth was in the same approximate position relative to the sun as the time you were born" day.

Or alternatively, Happy "you're one year closer to death" day. But not everyone likes memento mori. :)

Martin

Regarding the recent reputation change for question upvotes from +5 to +10: Does somebody already posted a feature request asking to revert the change back?

The forest of Reinstate Monica

vulnerant omnes, ultima necat

Tinkeringbell

@Martin Honestly, why'd you want to waste energy on such a thing right now? ... I haven't seen one yet.

Martin

11:32

I would expect that somebody would do so.

At least it would be useful that I could redirect users with similar feature requests (or posts about various objections) on per-site metas to the post on Meta Stack Exchange.

Tinkeringbell

They've been smarter than that, it seems. There have been posts asking 'should this be increased', a post asking 'should it be decreased' would probably be close enough that it should be a 'no' answer on those posts.

Martin

But the "Should weight be increased" post precedes the announcement by a long time, doesn't it?

Tinkeringbell

Depends on what you thing is a long time... A week or two, at most, I think?

Martin

The post "Should the weight of question upvotes be increased network-wide?" is from November 9.

Tinkeringbell

That's 10 days difference with now, and the change went live last week on the 13th? So just 4 days.

Shadow The Princess Wizard

11:35

@Tinkeringbell that's one reason I disliked Facebook, yeah

Martin

I do not know whether the "leaks" were posted on this site before that. (I gathered form other discussions that there have been a few of them, by they were quickly deleted.)

Tinkeringbell

@Martin Yeah, there's been a few more deleted, I think the 'leaking' happened over the course of a week or so before that, so from November 6th at most?

Hitodama

@Tinkeringbell retry.

Martin

@Tinkeringbell Yeah, I remembered that when I saw some of the recent discussions, there were also links to this post and I remembered that it was older than the announcement. At first I thought it was a coincidence and I did not notice at the time that there was only a small difference between the two.

Tinkeringbell

@Hitodama What's the right date then? :)

Hitodama

11:37

Tinkeringbell

Ah, image not found.

Hitodama

@Tinkeringbell Nov 5, possibly 4

Tinkeringbell

XD I'll check on my phone ;)

Oh... well.. 5 sounds good to me too ;)

Hitodama

the emergency dislocation room was created on Nov 5, so...

Tinkeringbell

Okay, then it was 5. Because I know for sure we didn't create that one a day later ;)

Martin

11:40

The only leak that I actually saw was posted on November 5. (I had to go to the copy saved on my computer to check the date.)

The forest of Reinstate Monica

The mod room leaks?

Tinkeringbell

@Martin Nicely caught then ;)

Martin

@TheforestofReinstateMonica What I called a "leak" was a post on meta with the information that change from +5 to +10 is planned. (Before the official announcement.)

The forest of Reinstate Monica

oh that

Martin

Maybe I did not choose the best terminology - considering that there has been a lot of talk about leaks from Teachers' Lounge with around the discussions concerning firing of Monica.

BTW the downvote on question means now -2 change to reputation (IIRC it used to be -1). I missed this in the blog post announcing the change.

Bart

11:44

279

Q: Let's stop displaying a user's accept rate

My feature request (or anti-feature-request perhaps) is the following: Let's stop displaying a user's accept rate. For those of you who know "Fawlty Towers", the whole issue of a visible accept rate and our behavior towards it starts to feel like "Don't mention the war!". We generally seem to ...

feature-request status-completed accept-rate

user58

@Martin It's always been -2.

I'm not sure where people are getting the impression that it had been -1 before, but... it's always been -2.

Martin

Oh, so I have remembered this wrongly. Maybe because weight of upvotes was different, I thought that it is similar for downvotes.

user58

For some reason it's a rather common misconception.

Shadow The Princess Wizard

@Bart show off

:D

Bart

I killed it! It was meeeee!

Shadow The Princess Wizard

11:47

@Martin you probably mix it with the fact downvoting an answer "costs" 1 rep. This hasn't changed, and downvoting a question is still free as well.

Martin

No, I remember that downvoting answers isn't free.

Shadow The Princess Wizard

Stop Harming Monica

2019-11-05T16:16:21Z

Shadow The Princess Wizard

@StopHarmingMonica random date game?

Stop Harming Monica

That's when the rep change leak was posted

The forest of Reinstate Monica

11:50

1574164222

Shadow The Princess Wizard

2017-02-20T18:35:12Z

The forest of Reinstate Monica

UNIX time!

Shadow The Princess Wizard

@StopHarmingMonica can't be.

It wasn't so long ago.

Stop Harming Monica

(fixed)

Shadow The Princess Wizard

In May it might been planned though.

Martin

11:51

When I played around with SEDE to get estimate for old/new reputation I have used -2 for downvotes correctly - but in fact I have copied that part from an older query.

Stop Harming Monica

Somehow the comment linking to it got past the moderation on the blog post

Shadow The Princess Wizard

@StopHarmingMonica linking to what?

Stop Harming Monica

the rep change leak

Shadow The Princess Wizard

So? Now that the change is out and official, it's non-issue.

Stop Harming Monica

Well that has the original "why we're doing it"

Shadow The Princess Wizard

11:54

With the silly gender drama?

Stop Harming Monica

With the silly gender drama

Shadow The Princess Wizard

hmm

The forest of Reinstate Monica

What does the rep change thing have to do with the gender drama?

Shadow The Princess Wizard

Well, robo approvers in blog comments then. :D

@TheforestofReinstateMonica ...

Journeyman Geek

I get the idea that study was added to keep internal folks happy

Stop Harming Monica

11:55

> the original "why we're doing it"

The forest of Reinstate Monica

@ShadowThePrincessWizard …

Journeyman Geek

And it's worth remembering that it's not in the final version for a reason

Stop Harming Monica

unless the leak was fake ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Shadow The Princess Wizard

@TheForest well... the original leak implied the reasoning behind the rep change is to make SE more friendly to female users.

The forest of Reinstate Monica

haha wtf

Shadow The Princess Wizard

11:55

Exactly ^

Journeyman Geek

The leak was meant to apply pressure. Doing stuff the right way would have worked well enough

The forest of Reinstate Monica

Here's how to make SE friendly to female users: Make the site a good repository of knowledge.

Fun fact: That also makes it friendly for male users!

Stop Harming Monica

which is why I'm surprised they approved a leak that shows the current reasoning to be disingenuous

The forest of Reinstate Monica

They just keep digging don't they?

Shadow The Princess Wizard

@StopHarmingMonica since I sometimes see spam in blog comments, I doubt it's being reviewed at all.

Journeyman Geek

11:57

There was no approval.

Hitodama

@Bart "It was I", not "It was me".

mag

nobody approved anything with the leak. The person who released it violated their moderator agreement

Journeyman Geek

And quite frankly it probably is politically inconvenient for better community communication

The forest of Reinstate Monica

Stop Harming Monica

10

A: "It was me" or "It was I"

Pick one: It was I who salted the earth around your flower deck. -- (if you want to sound formal) It was me that/who salted the earth around your flower deck. -- (which sounds less formal) Both are correct, but because it's a test/question in a grammar book, and grammar books usually prefer t...

The forest of Reinstate Monica

11:59

It me. I allowed it.

Stop Harming Monica

Gooood

Bart

Wadanohara and the Great Blue Sea OST - It Was Meee!

►

Shadow The Princess Wizard

Me eat. Food good.

Hitodama

@TheforestofReinstateMonica yep, I see you know.

mag

reminds me of that time someone tried to use salt purchased for defrosting the sidewalk to defrost their garden

and then had a rude awakening some time later

Shadow The Princess Wizard

12:00

@mag ?

You mean they stole the salt?

mag

salting your garden is a bad idea

Shadow The Princess Wizard

Why? All the plants died?

user58

Ever heard the expression "salting the earth"?

Shadow The Princess Wizard

@user58 not really

user58

Good way to guarantee nothing grows there ever again.

Shadow The Princess Wizard

12:02

oh

mag

putting a bunch of salt in your soil means nothing will grow there

and it's notoriously hard to fix

Shadow The Princess Wizard

Yeah with water it just sips into the ground, and stays there.

But unless the garden is big, one can just replace the soil.

Some $$$ and all is back to normal. :D

mag

yes but going from "I'm going to use this salt to have a nicer view of my garden during snowy season" to "I have to replace all the earth in my garden and everything died" is a pretty rude awakening

Shadow The Princess Wizard

@mag lol... totally.

Journeyman Geek

Salting the earth

Salting the earth, or sowing with salt, is the ritual of spreading salt on conquered cities to symbolize a curse on their re-inhabitation. It originated as a symbolic practice in the ancient Near East and became a well-established folkloric motif in the Middle Ages. == Destroying cities == The custom of purifying or consecrating a destroyed city with salt and cursing anyone who dared to rebuild it was widespread in the ancient Near East, but historical accounts are unclear as to what the sowing of salt meant in that process.Various Hittite and Assyrian texts speak of ceremonially strewing salt...

Shadow The Princess Wizard

12:05

@JourneymanGeek I knew only about Scorched Earth.

aka burning the places you conquered.

Bart

This is also why you should never invite Overwatch players to garden parties. Too damn salty.

Shadow The Princess Wizard

mental note: don't educate my son to pee in the garden too much

:D

JAD

@ShadowThePrincessWizard I'm not too familiar with MSE close reasons either, but when I saw it it already had 3 votes, and the question is answered/moot anyways. I think you agree at least that should be closed

s/think/hope

scorching the earth is for a short-term benefit. During an army campaign you don't want the enemy to be able to benefit off the land you just retreated from. Salting the earth was an economical nuke equivalent.

Stop Harming Monica

@ShadowThePrincessWizard ammonia is good for plants

Shadow The Princess Wizard

@JAD yup

@StopHarmingMonica but pee is very salty, isn't it?

JAD

12:14

did you taste it?

maybe it's like honey

Shadow The Princess Wizard

no comment

:D

Hitodama

guess what?

Stop Harming Monica

@ShadowThePrincessWizard if it's salty enough to kill a garden, you probably need to see a doctor

Hitodama

Stop Harming Monica

@JAD then you also need to see a doctor

JAD

12:15

but how does one find out? :O

Shadow The Princess Wizard

@Hitodama hey!! Thought you don't do it anymore. :(

@StopHarmingMonica not me! I don't pee out anymore. ;)

@JAD amazon.com/10-x-Sodium-Test-Strips/dp/B06XSJV6JF

Hitodama

@ShadowThePrincessWizard sometime something has to be done for the room topic to change

Shadow The Princess Wizard

@Hitodama change to what?

djsmiley2k - CoW

12:50

"Everything is awesome!"

OR "This is fine. 🔥"

@JourneymanGeek huh

I always thought it'd stop plants growing (i.e. you'd do it on fields).

I guess horses wouldn't like it much on paved streets, as it'd get into their hooves (and dogs too)

Journeyman Geek

So did I!

Shadow The Princess Wizard

@djsmiley2k-CoW lol

@JourneymanGeek do doo?

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowThePrincessWizard I'm running on about 4 hours of sleep

djsmiley2k - CoW

Are we sure Wikipedia is right in this case?

maybe people found that salty rocks in fields, caused plants around them to die

Shadow The Princess Wizard

@JourneymanGeek I'm on 3.5, I win. :P

djsmiley2k - CoW

12:55

'Must be cursed'

mag

y'all damaging your health

djsmiley2k - CoW

I have sleep apnea, I win.

Journeyman Geek

@mag work

Shadow The Princess Wizard

@mag I do it for... 20 years?

Journeyman Geek

I'll catch up tommorrow

mag

12:56

@ShadowThePrincessWizard y'all have damaged your health

Shadow The Princess Wizard

Used to be 5 hours, went down to 4 when first kid arrived.

mag

most people need substantially more then they get, and it increases risk for cancer and a host of other conditions among them also alzheimers and similar

in addition to leading to vastly reduced quality of life

Shadow The Princess Wizard

meh

It falls under YOLO for me.

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