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1:13 AM
@Stormblessed sometimes situations are broad, and so the questions about them are broad, because otherwise there would be many small separate questions, but here they're all united into one big one
sure it defies the widely accepted "narrow scope" and "clear-cut" question standard, but you'd have to include the full backstory into each one if you wanted to go full letter of the law about it
isn't meta for discussions? I think this question has a place, despite being pretty broad, but that's because the set of issues we are having is also broad
it was interesting to see 2 different moderators closing it unilaterally and then users reopening it back, something like the community disagreeing with the management kinda moment
we usually agree but not 100% and this seems to be one rare divisive case
I really disagree with Chris' comment btw
the question describes similar collisions between users and moderators/admins/management on 2 platforms, one of which is SE, and this question has nothing to do with SE??? wat
hmm
 
@user1306322 it's a problem in Wikipedia that very very very vaguely resembles current events here
 
but then I'm rereading his comments and I think he actually meant the question title and the question in the body are not technically phrased to be asking about SE explicitly...
why would he rule lawyer like this then if almost everybody would still read it the same way anyway
 
@user1306322 I'd argue that people aren't actually reading the question the same way as before the edit. I'd also argue that people seemed to barely pay attention to what was asked the first time and are also continuing that trend.
IMO most answers don't actually answer either question.
 
@JourneymanGeek I agree that the situations are not too similar, but they are also pretty alike in certain ways, and that's good enough for me to consider an interesting and useful topic of discussion to learn how we can improve or avoid similar situations in the future
@Rubiksmoose I think some people have already decided what they want to read the question being about, and will not want to change their perception of it, to pursue their individual agendas, which may include (but not limited to) trying to improve the site, helping the community, just creating more drama, preventing similar things in the future, etc
there's gonna be something for everyone :p
 
1:30 AM
Does there?
 
unless mods decide to mod more heavily
 
3 of 4 is good.
 
@user1306322 Right. And that's a problem that rears its head even in normal focused questions. When you get a loaded question that is wide-open and only vaguely to do with SE people can, do, and have just done whatever they wanted with it. It has made the problem a lot worse because it is not a good question for this site.
 
@user1306322 we mod as needed.
 
I think I've asked most of the questions I wanted by now, and stated my position in enough ways on the site proper, now I only have technical questions remaining or broader questions which I try to bring into chat when I can figure out enough details about them
I don't know if chat can handle more broad discussions though
we all live on the same internet, our paths cross daily unbeknownst to each other anyway :p
 
Rob
1:57 AM
@JourneymanGeek does the no Kali questions, probably anywhere, still apply, and where's a polite explanation?
 
I'm on my phone. Feel free to comment
 
Rob
K
 
Or gimme 20 min or so to get home and deal
 
Rob
I'm on my phone too, waiting for Milan, and a choice of PCIe 4.0 MBs. I'll take a look around.
 
Rob
2:10 AM
@JourneymanGeek, they deleted on Meta, but had already asked on SO - I offered this advice which points to the polite explanation.
 
Holy crap, this search userscript by @SamuelLiew is amazing!
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@SamuelLiew the advanced search is really nice. However, using Tampermonkey on Firefox, the searching on the parent meta/meta just searches on the child site. Am I using the wrong script manager?
 
2:29 AM
thanks
the dropdown selector may be a little buggy since the change to the search UI (when the search button was removed)
I haven't got around to fixing it yet
 
@SamuelLiew Ok cool
With regards to the other script that doesn’t affect anything, what extension are these designed to be used with?
Wtf autocorrect XD
 
I primarily develop the userscripts in Win10+Chrome
If there's a FF bug just let me know by creating an issue in the repo
 
2:48 AM
@Stormblessed Have you tried ChatImprovements yet? Many improvements including the way links are displayed in chat, as well as a proper user list with usernames, and top bar, (etc.). I would love feedback if you do use it
 
@SamuelLiew yep but just wondering which manager they definitely should work on in Chrome?
 
oh Tampermonkey
 
OK I’m done with what I’m doing I’ll go update Tampermonkey now to see if that makes the 10K Script work
 
because it's also supported on FF mobile, which I have some of my userscripts installed
 
@SamuelLiew wait...you can use some userscripts on FF mobile?! Safari has nothing like that that I’ve figured out
That’s cool
 
2:57 AM
@Stormblessed the 10k Tools US works on FF/Chrome + Win 10 + Tampermonkey
yeah so I can handle some flags on mobile too, and make chat more usable
 
Yup I’ll update the add on to the latest version in a minute
@SamuelLiew ugh I hate the mobile transcript
Any script for that?
 
ChatImprovements...
 
Oh yes cool
Oh damn ios Firefox doesn’t have extensions :(
 
oh and LightboxImages as well as ChatTranscriptHelper and NoOneboxesInChat. All my userscripts are compatible with each other
sorry to hear that 😂
 
Cool userscripts rock :)
 
3:00 AM
I'm an android user
 
I really like Firefox but on iPhone safari is so integrated into the OS and it’s pretty nice
Also passwords
Oh wait nowadays you can use the keychain in any app! That’s cool
 
3:17 AM
Is Ecosia good, or is it like the charity tab thing that makes stuff way slower with ads and stuff?
Wow! Chat Improvements is cool!
Very nice top bar
@SamuelLiew Feedback: the Chat.SE,.SO, and .MSE names are weirdly covered by some black text in This Is Fine and other Arqade rooms. Not sure why
very cool though
link expander doesn't work?
Love that there are page buttons on the recent tab in Chat with the Chat script @SamuelLiew
 
3:52 AM
i don't see any of those buttons
 
 
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4:53 AM
@Stormblessed that looks like text shadow implemented by a custom stylesheet just for those sites
I can remove the shadows. Link expander works for longer link-only links
E.g.: meta.stackexchange.com/… => https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/338713
shows you more context instead of just the three dots
I'm going to drop a bunch of links here, test with and without the userscript enabled and see the difference.
 
5:09 AM
@KevinB the script adds them
@SamuelLiew what's that link about?
@SamuelLiew ok. Is it supposed to have some dots on really long ones? The reddit one is shown as reddit.com/r/australia/comments/…/australian_government_seen_globally_as_climate
@SamuelLiew is that TL?
 
5:56 AM
@Stormblessed the one on main chat, sure
 
6:23 AM
ignore the content of the links, it's just to demonstrate how the script expands and displays them
@Stormblessed yeah, there is still a length limit
 
7:04 AM
@g3rv4 thanks, on behalf of @aki who can finally chat here. :-)
 
aki
@ShadowThePrincessWizard \(^o^)/
 
@aki :-)
Think now I can finally give you...
!!/coffee aki
 
@ShadowThePrincessWizard brews a cup of Ristretto for @aki
 
There were sweets in the now frozen room, but Tavern folk don't like sweets as much (except @Tink ;)) so no sweets here. :P
hmm... @g3rv4 room owner can't unfreeze a room, only a moderator can, or of course SE dev/staff with a diamond. (context)
 
7:32 AM
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morning!
 
JAD
:insert Gandalf speach:
 
Cold morning.
 
JAD
7:45 AM
yep, there's ice on our porch
 
Yes
 
@Tinkeringbell 3 degrees celcius?
 
No, below zero.
 
And I slept with the window open so now it's going to take a while for this bedroom/office to warm up :/
 
JAD
7:46 AM
D:
 
Here we have 10-15 in the morning and consider it cold. :P
 
JAD
poor gas bill ;(
 
JAD
I'm waiting for the sun to rotate into the living room
 
Put your toe outside of bed and then your whole body decides to sleep in for another hour
 
JAD
7:46 AM
getting some free warmth in
 
@rene Yes and no... the trains are keeping me up when it's freezing like this... they ... 'knetter' ... like crazy and there's sparks so bright they light up my bedroom :/
 
Do you sleep on a train station ;)
 
Ehh, no, but there's one house behind my bedroom, a road... and then the railway ;)
 
Oh, yes, that is close
 
I'm used to it by now... but not when it's freezing ;)
 
JAD
7:55 AM
oh, is the railroad in a bend nearby?
 
Hmm. Lemme see.
A little bit.
 
JAD
doesn't look like too much tbh
 
Yeah, most of the bending is before/after the town, it kinda goes straight by here.
 
Is it common for a railroad to be so close to buildings?
 
JAD
yes
they tend to go straight through towns/cities
 
7:58 AM
Guess it cause the houses to cost less, with all the noise and pollution...
 
Pollution?
All trains are electrical here ;)
 
What kind of trains?
 
JAD
not all, but most
 
Oh. not used to such advanced tech. :D
 
JAD
passenger trains mostly
 
7:59 AM
sorry... all the ones that drive past here are electrical ;)
 
JAD
biggest problem would probably be noise pollution
but that mostly stops during the night
in some cities, the houses closest to the railroad don't look all too enticing to me though
pretty run down
 
Yeah, that's a bit of a thing... Over here, that's not the case though, they just recently renovates all of them :)
My apartment is going to be a bit closer the railroad than this house is right now...
 
mag
you're still living with your parents right?
 
JAD
@Tinkeringbell look at the area near Den Haag CS though D:
 
8:02 AM
Rail transport in Israel includes heavy rail (inter-city, commuter, and freight rail) as well as light rail. Excluding light rail, the network consists of 1,384 kilometers (860 mi) of track, and is undergoing constant expansion. All of the lines are standard gauge and as of 2016 the heavy rail network is in the initial stages of an electrification programme. A government owned company, Israel Railways, manages the entire heavy rail network. Most of the network is located on the densely populated coastal plain. The only light rail line in Israel is the Jerusalem Light Rail, though another line in...
:/
 
@JAD Yeah Den Haag is messy.
But I don't like Den Haag in general ;)
 
JAD
This also isn't necessarily the prettiest part of Leiden: google.nl/maps/@52.1617321,4.476226,3a,75y,48.27h,98.82t/…
 
mag
I mean when your city's name literally means suffering, how nice can it be
 
@mag It means 'leading' in Dutch ;)
Suffering is lijden ;)
 
mag
but in german it does mean suffering
 
8:07 AM
I know ;)
 
We lijden in Leiden
 
Well, that part was true for me when studying there ;)
 
@ShadowThePrincessWizard I've taken that like... once
 
JAD
@mag Well, Germany has a city named after a meat snack. Can't have it all ;)
Oh, and there is the town called Stompwijk, which litterally translates to punchtown.
Not sure why
 
8:23 AM
Stompwijk was on my "sluiproute" to get to Sweet Lake City from the A4
 
JAD
I think I came through there once
oh no nevermind
also, yay, someone else that uses Sweet Lake City :D
 
@user58 good for you ;)
 
JAD
Looking at the map does make me curious what the crater is between Stompwijk and Sweet Lake City
 
8:38 AM
@JAD That is where the money from Sweet Lake City comes from. They sell the sand.
Just like Woerden
 
Zoetermeer?
 
JAD
No, Sweet Lake City
 
Twin of Salt Lake City?
 
probably
 
@JAD Zoet meer stad?
 
8:43 AM
check!
 
Never heard of it.
 
lol
 
Weird, no city "Sweet Lake" in Google Maps.
Only Salt Lake.
 
JAD
@ShadowThePrincessWizard It's a joke :P The city is called Zoetermeer, which translates to sweeter lake, or sweet lake.
 
JAD
8:45 AM
Even wikipedia mentions it :P
 
mag
9:08 AM
what a crap day
started off with a headache and otc painkillers wont touch it
 
Have you had tea yet?
 
Nap. Acetaminophen and sleep.
 
Moooooooornin
 
mag
I'm probably taking the afternoon off
 
9:16 AM
That sounds as a wise plan
 
9:46 AM
o/
 
Wait, nothing is pinned anymore? Have things calmed down? Are we back to normal? Brown?
 
define normal.
Also I don't think this will ever go back to normal... it might become normal again but that shouldn't mean we went back :P
 
Normal as in how my family is normal? I.e. hugely dysfunctional?
 
mag
9:49 AM
normality is an illusion
 
@Bart Yep, we're still normal then ;)
 
mag
hugely dysfunctional, barely concealed anger, growing frustration
some of these
 
@mag makes me feel at home
 
mag
TWP is back down to one mod left, from originally 5
 
JAD
10:02 AM
@TheforestofReinstateMonica am I the only one where your username shows as "The forest of" ?
 
@JAD My username is long so maybe you have to click it to see the whole thing.
I only see it say "The"
But when I F11 to go full screen, I see "The forest of" and that's all.
 
JAD
yeah. I never noticed that before. Is that new?
 
I dunno. I only recently changed to such a long name. Before that, it was just "forest".
So it always fit.
 
JAD
maybe @ShadowThePrincessWizard with the long name knows ;)
 
 
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11:12 AM
So... for the neighbourhood I applied to - apparently only 1 of 10 flats had someone apply to it ._.
 
So you got in then? :D
 
Should be!
Will confirm in early december
 
Or is there a risk of something being cancelled if the turnout is too low?
@JourneymanGeek Sounds promising already :D
 
(the bigger flats they won't sell me are at about 0.7. Mine's at 0.1)
No idea! But the government is really big on the new neighbourhood so.... probably will build anyway and clear it through balance of sale flats or something
 
Fingers crossed for a bit more then :)
 
11:16 AM
@JourneymanGeek wow ... that's quite different from here.
 
@Bart its a completely new development
without a lot of the supporting stuff like metro stations and stores built
 
Ah okay. Still, there is a huge housing shortage here. So basically anything that's available has tons of people applying.
 
@Bart for the more popular neighbourhoods its about 1.7 to 2 applications per available unit of a popular type
I've literally applied for a tiny/cheap flat meant for singles and old people
So unpopular flat type - almost a studio apartment, in an unpopular neighbourhood with an unfortunate name that has nothing to do with where it is :D
 
:D
 
(it shares a name with a military base in another part of town)
an airbase
 
11:32 AM
Ah, expecting noise?
 
Its nowhere near the neighbourhood :D
 
12:02 PM
Zero-boxing is the new co2-neutral alternative
 
JAD
12:24 PM
@JourneymanGeek that's still way different. When I was looking for a house earlier this year it wasn't out of the ordinary to have 30-40 people tour homes. 8 of those made bids for that place.
And it's not even the hottest part of the country
 
12:38 PM
I heard there were 20-30 people replying for the 5 apartments that I got one of.
 
1:07 PM
@JAD a good chunk of the housing market here is public
so the government builds apartments periodically based on demand. New builds are heavily subsidised and periodically launched
 
1:23 PM
@JourneymanGeek Sure, but then you never get to actually own your apartment, right? So it'd be slightly like social rentals over here, though those are still controlled by corporations that get the government subsidies to build them (and probably not as much as over there)?
 
@Tinkeringbell 99 year lease.
 
@JAD I do!
Always write
Three lines at least
 
You're expected to have a minimum occupancy period, but can "sell" or transfer the lease after that
 
@JourneymanGeek So you pay at once? Or each month, more like rent?
 
@Tinkeringbell at once
 
1:24 PM
Hmm. I wish we had something like that then :P
 
but there's specific rules, like on renting/letting out apartments
 
Then again, I'd probably complain about taxes if they did soooo...
 
and approved dog breeds
@Tinkeringbell oh, actually
 
@JourneymanGeek yep, you mentioned those :)
 
the government probably makes money off this
they acquire land fairly cheap, and housing is rather high density
 
1:28 PM
Sounds good ;)
 
Hammertime
 
Architecture 101: when someone added an unneeded component that should crawl an entire SharePoint online tenant to the solution.... and it is so well written that SharePoint basically sees it as a DDOS attack.
 
2:05 PM
;
lol
 
@Hitodama and you have to clean the mess of that someone?
 
@ShadowThePrincessWizard as always
 
If it is a proper component then that is just one delete of the folder it is in
 
@ShadowThePrincessWizard ^ this summarize my current status pretty well.
 
@Hitodama half genie?
 
2:19 PM
Save the day for little no pay, get the blame when others cause mess, clean up after them.
@ShadowThePrincessWizard yep, because the expectation are basically "just rub the lamp and everything will be fine in the blink of an eye"
 
@Hitodama so they're surprised when you come out of the lamp instead? ;)
 
@ShadowThePrincessWizard so they are surprised when the mess can't be cleaned up before yesterday.
 
@Hitodama well at least it makes you essential. :)
 
2:47 PM
@ShadowThePrincessWizard lucky me.....
 
3:18 PM
@Matt it took some digging but... since '16, people can ask about their own questions on meta regardless of their reputation: meta.stackexchange.com/a/277727/369802Tinkeringbell ♦ 8 mins ago
@Tinkeringbell do you know how this works?
I read the linked post but it wasn't clear to me if it was a manual thing or if the system allows posts as long as it has a link to a question by that person.
In retrospect, it must be automatic I think.
 
@Rubiksmoose it's not manual. 1 rep users have a box to put link to their question, as far as I remember when testing with a sock.
 
That makes sense!
 
@Rubiksmoose Yep, what Shadow said. I actually think I've only seen it once and I can't even remember where....
But there's a box you put your link in, and if ownership matches, you may proceed :)
 
And if ownership doesn't match?
imagining wild parrot attacking the user in such case
 
3:29 PM
Automatic one month suspension? :P
 
I'm not that kind of parrot... look at me! I'm chubby. Means I don't waste energy on attacks ;)
 
You can just mess the user's hair then.
 
Pull it all out, roots and all :)
 
3:34 PM
@Tinkeringbell huh, well isn't that nifty.
 
3:49 PM
o/
 
4:33 PM
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8:32 PM
@M.A.R. do you have internet access or is there none in Tabriz at the moment? Is it out for the entire country or just parts? ...I suppose if you have none you won't be able to answer that, though.
Last seen four days ago. That's consistent with Iran shutting down the internet there four days ago. Welp.
 
Oh o.o Bad me. Hadn't even missed him yet!
 
@user58 :(
 
8:55 PM
 
9:25 PM
 
 
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Rob
10:55 PM
 
@Rob where's SO
 
That's... what the big arrow is pointing to.
 
Rob
Sadly uploading spoils the image, I found a high resolution version (without the pointer to us): earthlymission.com/a-proportionally-scaled-map-of-the-internet
 
Anyway, hardly proportional. SO is bigger than MySpace...
 
is it though
 
11:02 PM
Heh, says "Atwood-Spolsky"
 
Rob
The map is from 2014.
There's also the well known chart style, but it works poorly on my browser: internet-map.net
 
ooh, so tiny
Now that's a better version of the map. Maybe it will load eventually :D
 
11:53 PM
@Rob Quora would be on a map of hell, I’d think...
 

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