Tavern on the Meta

Journeyman Geek

12:55 AM

Just spitballing here but might as well take advantage of the Tavern on the meta ~~peanut gallery~~ braintrust for a few things.

I had a fairly experienced user/mod express that they really didn't know how to do a MSE post that would be well recieved

they had a specific feature request in mind

I'm thinking of asking them for permission then asking that question, stepping through the elements of how I'd do it

On one hand, a Q&A pair would let other folks share their experiences

On the other I'm not quite sure (ironically) if it would be the greatest fit for MSE

Alex

I can't give my opinion since you struck through "peanut gallery".

Journeyman Geek

@Alex Its fine, thrown peanut shells are welcome too

Alex

To be honest, I didn't quite understand what you're suggesting.

Are you asking if you should ask someone else's feature request to show them how to do it properly?

Journeyman Geek

1:10 AM

@Alex ah no

I'm asking if a question on posting a good question for MSE is a good idea

or more precisely if its a bad idea and why

Kevin B

hmm... i thought something like that already existed

Journeyman Geek

@KevinB and that's also something I'd wonder about

cause then I'd just post an answer

Alex

Like this?

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Q: Common reasons why your meta post may be negatively received

This post functions as a complement to How can I participate in meta and not die trying? As you may already be aware, meta is one such grim place where disagreements happen. It just seems so customary to get at least one post that gets downvoted heavily every day, ranging from frustrated rants v...

Journeyman Geek

well not really

so here's what I have in mind

Kevin B

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Q: How do I present a proposal for change or write a feature request for Stack Overflow?

I have a great idea for changing parts of Stack Overflow. Upon searching, I see a lot of these questions are downvoted, closed as duplicates, and I've even seen a few get deleted! With this is mind, how can I propose a change to Stack Overflow and not just get shut down for it? Return to FAQ i...

support faq

Journeyman Geek

1:12 AM

uhm

perfect!

Kevin B

it's on SO, but, it still applies

Journeyman Geek

imperfect but I'd reference that!

Alex

Similar on Meta Stack Exchange:

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Q: How do I write a good feature request?

I have a feature that I am interested in proposing. How do I draft a good feature request? What things do I need to include? What should I not do? How do I know if the feature will be implemented? Return to FAQ index

support faq-proposed feature-request-process

Journeyman Geek

Perfect! Saves me the trouble and embarassment of having it closed as a dupe

Alex

Closing your own questions as duplicates with your superpowers is always fun.

I've only done it once.

Journeyman Geek

1:14 AM

@Alex my super power is social engineering ;p

Kevin B

is that similar to social manipulation?

Journeyman Geek

maybe

the fine art of getting other people to do the legwork

now if only it worked with my parents ;p

but they're the masters of it XD

@Alex spammers ruin everything.

Alex

I don't think I've yet seen a real spam post about serum.

I feel like they have better words.

Journeyman Geek

Maybe you don't see them cause they get nuked

Alex

Fair point.

Meta Andrew T.

2:37 AM

Ugh, morning

Journeyman Geek

3:36 AM

→ 26 messages moved to Chimney

rene

4:51 AM

@MetaAndrewT. hgU

Journeyman Geek

5:25 AM

hm

I'm randomly getting logged out from google 0_0

rene

5:37 AM

Maybe they didn't pay their ISP bill ....

Journeyman Geek

Well my setup is a little odd with the ipv6 tunnel...

M.A.R.

7:42 AM

@Alex Common enough

Meta Andrew T.

shroom~

Journeyman Geek

9:23 AM

→ 18 messages moved to Chimney

I've literally not seen this notice before ._.

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek One of yours being closed as a dupe?

Journeyman Geek

yup

That's fine. I'm just surprised i've never seen it before

especially on meta

Meta Andrew T.

@JourneymanGeek you should, err... try to dupe more of your questions...

Journeyman Geek

@MetaAndrewT. I don't post that many questions? ;p

and about 4-5 dupes for 57 questions ;p

Shadow The Coffee Wizard

10:03 AM

Huh?! First time I see spam survive for 20 minutes on MSE. Guess all the auto flag bots are off?

Usually such obvious spam is nuked in seconds. :(

Journeyman Geek

10:17 AM

@ShadowTheCoffeeWizard well, that's probably the only arguement I have against auto-flag bots

And why I try to keep my hand in with nuking spammers the old fashioned way ;p

Optimus Prime

12:36 PM

The video is 40+ mins long. Anybody watched it? Can anyone share the timespan when Yve explains why she stepped down?

Journeyman Geek

@OptimusPrime uhm. I didn't for that reason

Shadow The Coffee Wizard

@OptimusPrime what video?

Optimus Prime

The in her profile

I was watching it but which language she speaks?

The sound of vehicle is terrible and I can't under anything she says

Shadow The Coffee Wizard

@OptimusPrime She's from Australia, so Australian English

Probably (didn't hear yet)

Shree

12:57 PM

I think English is my problem.

Shadow The Coffee Wizard

Well, accent makes it worse, no doubt.

Meta Andrew T.

@OptimusPrime Australian English, the accent is quite strong and I also had a difficulty... while the speech also mixes with various topic of her driving, family, and horses

Shadow The Coffee Wizard

Maybe ask her to add sub captions to the video? ;)

Shree

Why horses not dogs ?

Shadow The Coffee Wizard

She likes horses, that's not new.

Guess @Journeyman will talk about dogs if making such a video. ;)

Meta Andrew T.

1:00 PM

> 1-hour video of Ash running around

Shadow The Coffee Wizard

lol

Shree

She means YT :P

Shadow The Coffee Wizard

Yvette Tube?

Shree

yep

Shadow The Coffee Wizard

Sounds nice.

Journeyman Geek

1:03 PM

@MetaAndrewT. I doubt he has the energy for that

Shree

But she drop diamond :( , drop horse.

Meta Andrew T.

@JourneymanGeek a 1-hour compilation of 10-second video of Ash running around then ;p

Journeyman Geek

Lol

Optimus Prime

The sad part is, there's no subtitles in the video

Magisch

@JourneymanGeek the office dog came back from a week of vacation today

spent the first 20 minutes zooming around the office greeting everyone and then went for a nap

Shree

1:10 PM

@OptimusPrime video chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/197438?m=47359972#47359972

Optimus Prime

1:31 PM

@Shree I already saw that. I didn't understood anything.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheCoffeeWizard If I quit, honestly - it will likely be me disappearing for a few months and the diamond going away ;)

I'm not much for drama

Meta Andrew T.

If I quit, [...]

John Dvorak

2:20 PM

I've just clicked an unsubscribe link in an email from Facebook. It leads to a 404.

(FTR: this isn't an invitation for SE to follow suit)

Optimus Prime

So we shall implement a parser for you which creates an AST, yes? — deceze ♦ 9 mins ago

Yes. @deceze I want to use it for a API request body. — Vogeti Aditya 6 mins ago

It's an OT question and the comment by deceze was sort of sarcastic

Shadow The Coffee Wizard

Well but that's what the OP actually wants. Proper comment can tell "Sorry but we don't give those things here".

Feeds

2:40 PM

Research update: Improving the question-asking experience

Lisa Park on September 26, 2019

What are people’s experiences asking a question on Stack Overflow?

What information do users need before asking a question on Stack Overflow?

How does Stack Overflow fit into people’s problem solving workflows?

Optimus Prime

@ShadowTheCoffeeWizard I saw another question in which OP asks how to do x without mcve. Someone wrote a comment asking for code and OP edited question, "I'm new to this. give me some demo links"

Meta Andrew T.

TIL: assuage

assuage

Verb: assuage (third-person singular simple present assuages, present participle assuaging, simple past and past participle assuaged)

(transitive) To lessen the intensity of, to mitigate or relieve (hunger, emotion, pain etc.).
Addison
Refreshing winds the summer's heat assuage.
Burke
to assuage the sorrows of a desolate old man

(6 more not shown…)

Optimus Prime

Google

> verb
make (an unpleasant feeling) less intense.
"the letter assuaged the fears of most members"

rene

3:07 PM

@JohnDvorak GDPR only requires there is such link in the email. It isn't mentioned that the link should work ...

John Dvorak

@rene Huh... I smell a question incoming to law.se. Do you volunteer?

rene

I pass on this one ...

Journeyman Geek

@JohnDvorak I'll post a feature request to do so in 6-8 weeks

Meta Andrew T.

3:31 PM

Grammarly, oh Grammarly...

410

@Feeds "You've published your first question and that's a real achievement!"

Can SO UI get any more patronizing? Probably.

7

Journeyman Geek

3:47 PM

If it means better questions I'm fine if they get a lollipop afterwards

410

4:00 PM

Narrator: it didn't mean better questions, just more questions from people who NEED interactive HELP rather than an answer.

Journeyman Geek

@410 so what's a better way? As someone who has been on SE since pretty early on - asking good questions isn't easy

Meta Andrew T.

I'm more curious about the single "review" interface though.

Journeyman Geek

Unless you want to just have folks quit in frustration

Kevin B

4:31 PM

because the lack of "Here have a lollipop" is why people are quitting!

Machavity

5:25 PM

I was only offered licorice on Meta.SE. That wasn't very welcoming

John Dvorak

They can't serve you liquor ice without seeing your ID card first

Meta Andrew T.

!!/liquor

SmokeDetector

@MetaAndrewT. No such command 'liquor'.

Machavity

@MetaAndrewT. Art had to take that out after SO tried to prove the Ballmer Peak wasn't true, and created SO Docs

Tinkeringbell

@Machavity If the person offering was Dutch, they must've really liked you though... We don't share anything, especially licorice, easily ;)

Princess Olivia

5:59 PM

@410 You have got to be kidding

I can imagine some spammer seeing that and thinking posting spam is a real achievement.

John Dvorak

We should delay that popup for spam until we're sure Smokey missed it

Meta Andrew T.

They are promised a cake instead

Tinkeringbell

@JohnDvorak Great, now I'm wondering how many spammers actually use the guided mode :P

John Dvorak

Does the wizard give them any points against Ram?

Tinkeringbell

I don't know... would be great if it could though! Just block anything that's shady...

Sklivvz

6:56 PM

@Shog9 can I get your attention? Tim is not in the room

Shog9

@Sklivvz what's up?

Sklivvz

guess

(in private, better)

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