Tavern on the Meta

00:08

Why two?

Rob

I can't help, I only have 101 there; and I presume that the number of quarters spent isn't a recognizable (or provable) qualification. Press.

Jon Ericson

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog Generally we figure the number of slots based on the capacity we need to replace. It's not uncommon for moderators to be less active on the site before they resign.

user302202

So, 2 presumably active new mods replacing 3 worn-out inactive mods.

user302202

6 - 3 + 2 = 5 is the new total

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@JonEricson I'd rather future-proof them

user302202

00:23

Jon is now sitting between two Robs. Make a wish?

forest

Just give everyone on the site mod powers by default. Problem solved!

user302202

Or is that a culture-specific thing.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@forest Except, then, no one would be a mod.

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog precisely

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

"When everyone is super, no one is." - Syndrome

forest

00:24

:p

Journeyman Geek

Though anyone can earn most of the powers of a mod

Jon Ericson

"I am Modacus!"

Aibobot

Then again, here I am using my sock sooooooo ;p

Catija

@VoteDukakis Resigning doesn't mean they're inactive. :)

Aibobot

Yup

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

00:26

At least one of the resigning mods has detailed their inactive-ness, though

Aibobot

and quite often there's a few insanely active mods, and a lot of work mods do isn't the mechanics

Catija

We determine the need based on what the mod teams on that site want. If they feel one slot is sufficient to replace two or three... or even no slots... that's their call and they can change their mind at any point in the future... but we're not going to force new people onto a team that's able to handle everything without help unless they drop under three people.

Aibobot

(actually there's precious little meta action on SU these days ._., and my flag handling style is to pop in and crunch them for about 10 minutes a few times a day...)

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Might as well at least kick off the questionnaire collection now.

Aibobot

Why?

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

00:32

That takes one week and is agnostic of the number of slots

Aibobot

its entirely plausible the number of slots may be a number equal to and not exceeding zero

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

1 hour ago, by Jon Ericson

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog Certainly. The question is how many to elect. I'm guessing three.

@Aibobot Jon Ericson said there will be an election

Aibobot

Sure, but when, and how? If there was a recent election, they could just pick runner ups. Sometimes questions may depend on who's interested.

Also Could we at least wait for the ink to dry on the resignations and the CMs to work out a good slot for elections?

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Aibobot There was no recent election, last one was three years ago

Aibobot

Point being

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

00:34

@Aibobot The ink has dried on one

Aibobot

You really need to let people do their jobs

2

not micromanage things that are not really your problem

Catija

Not a constructive discussion.

Aibobot

My bad. I'll step back

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Anyway...

Catija

@Aibobot yes. This is true. But elections are more complicated than most people understand, which means it's even less useful to try to push us around about things.

Aibobot

00:37

@Catija well, I get that

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

1 min ago, by Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Anyway...

Aibobot

and the need to trust folks to do their jobs

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

I just ran a full battery discharge test of my new Pixel 3a. It scored more than 2.5 times my old Nexus 6P with a replacement battery.

Aibobot

in general.

user302202

01:37

Returning to that UX research post... if new users had a taste of some privileges, might they be more likely to try and earn them? Like, a new account comes with the ability to make 5 comments.

user302202

Wouldn't work for votes though, as there are enough voting rings as is.

user302202

The obvious downside is a user getting "no more comments left" and starting a new account.

Journeyman Geek

@VoteDukakis also feels like a bait and switch

user302202

Starter pack... free trial for 30 days... these are commonplace things.

Aibobot

feels...

antipatterny

user302202

01:41

Well, I'm not really fond of the idea either. Just trying to extract something actionable from that UX post.

Aibobot

also, I suspect I am totally lacking context to what that UX post is

forest

I hate that idea.

It's a total bait and switch.

Aibobot

@VoteDukakis also, I suspect folks are here for different things, even on different sites

user302202

57

Q: UX research time! May 2019 and the reputation system

👋Hello! This is our second installment of UX research updates for Meta. You can check out the first installment here. This month, I’ll talk about findings from user research we did last year about how users with lower reputation perceive and use reputation and privileges. Research background...

Aibobot

My (main account) activity on MSE - between about 2k to 10k was privilege driven

cheers. bleh. grumbles about things affecting everyone being on MSO

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

01:48

@Aibobot Wondering why you chose "unclear what you're asking" instead of blatantly off-topic for this question

forest

I find people on SO are a lot more ignorant than those on SE (usually).

New users, that is.

Aibobot

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog cause I honestly have no idea what he's on about

what is unclear about me being unclear about what the question is?

quite honestly I'd lean towards it almost being markov generated

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

IIRC most of the votes were for blatantly off-topic.

Aibobot

Which is fine.

forest

Isn't there a site that generates SO questions using ML?

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

01:51

In my opinion it does not appear to be about the software that powers the Stack Exchange network.

Aibobot

But that's how I thought my vote, with the information I had on hand should go.

Even with a mod hammer, I can do that, no?

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Well, I was just wondering why you chose to do that, and you explained it well

user302202

FWIW the previous question of the OP was closed as blatantly OT. It didn't help.

Aibobot

Ya, we need to take a look at the user

user302202

SO member for 3+ years. No visible posts. Meta member for 2 days. Two OT posts.

Aibobot

01:58

@VoteDukakis no visible posts dosen't mean anything though

forest

How does that even happen?

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Deleted posts likely resulted in them being banned from SO

Aibobot

Few possibilities - posts are deleted and us mere mortals can't see them. Amusingly the only way to check is to try to migrate or mug a SO mod.

user302202

If their posts were like these two on Meta, I'm not surprised they are deleted.

Aibobot

User is completely lost, or confused.

In any case, we can handle things as per MSE actions

forest

02:12

Like, what kind of idiot protocol lets users negotiate a “maximum key size” that can be as small as 1 byte. (A default that, fortunately, should be higher in recent versions.)

Tweeted by matthew_d_green on May 15, 2019 at 4:59 PM in reply to matthew_d_green

lmao

Journeyman Geek

Hmmmm

forest

Bluetooth is so crazy.

Journeyman Geek

stackoverflow.com/jobs/263065/… sometimes you find interesting stuff on SE job ads. SE is working on moving to Linux and kubernetes eventually?

> Stack Overflow websites.
Be deeply involved in our move from .NET Framework to .NET Core and then to Linux containers in Kubernetes.

Nick's Twitter has been talking about the move to .NET core a lot

forest

I doubt they're doing that. Maybe for some backend.

Aibobot

@forest well, technically - there was some talk of doing that for the enterprise instances cause MS licencing for things like that was an epic pain

But I'm reading and speculating that to be a full move, especiall since it also says...

forest

02:26

Enterprise instances?

Aibobot

> In the future: We are in the middle of a multi-year move to Kubernetes.

dude....

That's literally what's supposed to be paying the bills ;p

forest

You mean stuff like Teams?

Aibobot

Teams is a budget version

forest

ah

Aibobot

You can pay a "contact us for a quote" amount of money to get your own internal copy of the SO/SE platform

forest

02:28

They share the entire platform?

I thought they ran it in some dedi. Maybe that was just Teams.

Aibobot

Well, I never asked, but Joel did mention they basically sold copies of the code to MS and a few other companies for internal use ages ago.

@forest alas, I've never really asked.

I don't work somewhere cool enough for an internal SE or even teams instance

we use copies of jira and confluence that apparently crash if you look at em funny

forest

I've worked in pretty cool places but I've only ever seen random ticket systems.

Never something like SE.

Aibobot

well, folks use confluence for knowledge sharing. In theory

TBH I could run a more robust ticketing system off a NUC than we seem to have here ._.

(also SE uses a hosted system for tickets, least from us. IDK what they run internally)

But my employer also primarily inherits and keeps tired old enterprise systems running

(this is no secret. Also el reg hates em)

forest

What a remarkably high-quality answer.

Aibobot

free flags ;)

forest

03:23

lol

Aibobot

@Undo the amusing bit is... technically that's on topic. Just... ranty

forest

But it's not constructive.

Like gee, I wonder why he didn't have a good time!

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Undo VTC'd as not constructive

@Aibobot You can close as "not constructive"

Aibobot

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog errrrrrr

Undo

@Aibobot well, if you wanna tell me that he's seeking input and discussion from the community... yer wrong

Aibobot

03:29

I can also sit back and trust the community to do the needful ;)

Undo

most people who delete their accounts two minutes after posting a rant will not return to read the enlightened discussion they inspired

Aibobot

@Undo (also I'm on an office PC, as shown by the sock account and can't really be bothered to pull out my hammer just this moment)

Undo

yeah, I know :)

No Distraction Wizard

03:41

-3

Q: Weaponized ultrasound used in gaslighting

I have a one minute recording on my iphone7 as well as a similar recording on my Ring spotlight security video/audio camera. They were inaudible in real life. I found I had been exposed to these God awful sounds and maybe others for hours two nights in a row making me borderline psychotic. Where ...

sound-effects

Deja vu...

forest

> I found I had been exposed to these God awful sounds and maybe others for hours two nights in a row making me borderline psychotic.

Is he sure that's what's making him psychotic? :P

Oh is that the same old guy who asked a question here?

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

05:06

I have never wanted to be able to downvote comments as much as I do right now. — Pops Sep 1 '10 at 22:11

Glorfindel

05:22

Anybody else having trouble uploading images via the Stack Exchange mobile app?

> An unknown error occurred. Please try again in a few minutes

^ that's what I'm getting since yesterday

Rob

@Glorfindel Other people are: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/328174/… - It was working for me a minute before you posted this, I live in North America.

Glorfindel

@Rob I've read that Meta post but though it was just for uploading via the website.

And it's [status-completed] ...

It might be that I have uploaded too many images already or something.

Rob

Also: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/327432/… - specific to the App, not status completed, from a couple of weeks ago.

Glorfindel

Thanks, that looks more like it, but I'm pretty sure everything worked fine for me until two days ago.

Rob

@Glorfindel I've uploaded a dozen in one post, or do mean lifetime total; shouldn't matter, otherwise others would have discovered the problem too.

Glorfindel

05:31

I must've uploaded over a thousand already with this script: gist.github.com/Glorfindel83/9d954d34385d2ac2597bbe864466259f

Rob

I think you can only vote that up, and leave a "me too" comment; without risking a dupe. It's possible that you got rate limited, try manually uploading from the same IP address to answer any question (then hit cancel).

Aibobot

06:08

One of the other vendors has a bunch of interns here

So noisy ><

Shadow Wizard

07:36

@rene nope... but yeah, I do know you have a big chance to win this time. Kudos! :D

Margarine

Rene singing? Shivers

Shadow Wizard

@Margarine almost. The king is being served by everyone else and is too lazy to move more than one square at a time. ;)

@Glorfindel it's borked, yeah. Just one more piece falling, soon the app will be 100% dead anyway.

Rene Froger - I Am A Singer

►

Margarine

A singer that sings "I am a singer". Now I don't need to be able to access YouTube to judge that.

Tinkeringbell

That's the wrong rene. The one whose existence half the nation is trying to deny ;)

Shadow Wizard

lol poor spammer

> the stacks are not working

Spam title ^

They wonder why their spam isn't "working". :D

@Tinkeringbell wait, your country singer in Eurovision is really called Rene? lol

Tinkeringbell

07:44

@ShadowWizard Well, I think this rene did do Eurovision as well, with two other males, a number called 'shine'.

Though the contents of 'the toppers' have changed so many times, it may also have been Jeroen that was in there back then

This year, the singer is called Duncan

Magisch

singing sunflower cameo

Shadow Wizard

@Tinkeringbell oh

Margarine

How is that not nuked yet

Shadow Wizard

@Margarine no links, so not obvious spam. Probably auto flag wasn't done as result, and the common site users didn't flag either, only downvoted.

@Tinkeringbell Duncan Idaho? ;)

Aibobot

@Margarine Cause some dogs need to work for their kibble

Magisch

07:58

@Aibobot But you are a robot dog and thus in no need of sustenance outside occasional wd40 and electricity

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizard Duncan Laur(e|a)nce

Or something.

Aibobot

Alas, dog made of meat does ;p

Margarine

@Aibobot Why are you covering for that sla . . . WAIT A MINUTE

Aibobot

Why do you think he's quiet? ;p

(actually normal job is quiet unless things go horribly horribly wrong. We also help helpdesk with chasing down case resolutions, which actually needs my attention)

Tinkeringbell

@Aibobot quiet? Have the interns retreated?

Margarine

08:01

@Tinkeringbell No, ear plugs.

Aibobot

@Tinkeringbell .... actually they seem to have vanished, Other than one that is pretending to be a pile of clothes.

Margarine

They're eating his lunch now.

Aibobot

naw, I beat them to it

Tinkeringbell

@Aibobot Nice :)

Aibobot

fairly busy day

Margarine

08:03

Eating coworkers' lunches?

Aibobot

lol

Actually I'm the only one on this shift

Dealing with "Its a $project_pc"

I support the software, nothing else

so I was like "I'm so sorry - this is not under us. Kindly send our helpdesk an email. I'll get information out to the engineer from the correct vendor, but I really need you to email $helpdesk@$frankencorp.tld..."

Margarine

@Aibobot Are you sitting on the remote?

Aibobot

hmm

checks

No?

Mithrandir

08:56

...

Shadow Wizard

09:49

@Mithrandir since when we edit "message moved" auto messages??

Was there something to terribly horrible that you didn't want even a link to exist?

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizard Yes.

Shadow Wizard

IMO this should be done:

36

Q: Remove the ability to edit audit messages

I can't think of a decent reason to allow editing audit messages (like 'n messages moved to room' or topic changes). I have abused it for fun before but it really has no purpose other than joking or obfuscating your actions. For that I think that such messages should be untouchable. Please make t...

feature-request chat

Mod will still be able to edit, but RO should not.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

It's useful sometimes, though. I don't support it.

Shadow Wizard

It's like removing the "deleted by" notice on posts...

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizard I trust RO's not to abuse that, and unless other chat regulars are going to be nosy, it saves a whole lot of nosing around and drama ;)

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

09:52

^^true

Shadow Wizard

It removes the ability to easily track your actions.

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizard There's records in other rooms, don't worry :)

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

No, the edit history and internal audit message flag are still there.

Shadow Wizard

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog sure, but hard to reach.

Without "deleted by" notice we'll still be able to see revisions of the deleted post. But.. not easily.

Anyway... that's something I won't do if using my RO power to move messages. It's obvious the moved message was bad, nobody with common sense will click through if they don't want to see it.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Anyway...

Shadow Wizard

09:57

@forest please stop, you now make us not believe what you write in the chat About.

Magisch

@ShadowWizard But how will I then recycle Server space previously occupied by "moved to chimney" messages?

:D

Shadow Wizard

I now consider you as a troll. Cheers, and good luck in whatever your goals are. ignores this user forever.

sigh

!!/coffee

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizard brews a cup of Macchiato for @ShadowWizard

Journeyman Geek

10:13

@ShadowWizard having taken a look. Yes

And for all of whom who did...

Shadow Wizard

hmm

Journeyman Geek

Margarine

@ShadowWizard Um, you actually believe what I chat about?

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek Still Christmastime in Singapore?

Margarine

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog they wish. IIRC they get snow once every 500 years.

And then they panic because it seems like the end of the world.

That second part may or may not be true.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

10:19

@Margarine That's almost like San Diego

Margarine

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog At least you can pronounce San Diego.

Shadow Wizard

@Margarine of course not

But you don't troll around

Margarine

trolls between

Shadow Wizard

Hey, get out of there!

Margarine

Hey, you started the dirty part first.

Aibobot

10:22

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog I don't think that was taken in Xmas

that's an olllllld picture with the super xtra peak puppy fludd

Margarine

@Aibobot Are you so bored that you keep switching accounts

I can um, text message, um, certain people close to you.

Aibobot

@Margarine naw, the main account had access to google photos for that

Olivia

@ShadowWizard chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/46230444#46230444 .

Margarine

:7718278 K

Grrr

Doggy beware, spammers are feeling smart around SU today.

Shadow Wizard

@Olivia thanks

Magisch

10:56

@JourneymanGeek tis' ash

Journeyman Geek

Baby Ash ;p

Shadow Wizard

Any way to make Feeds post this daily?

Tweeted by UnicornOfTheDay on May 16, 2019 at 9:00 AM

Would be awesome! :D

Tinkeringbell

Would be noisy :P

Shadow Wizard

Once a day?? Nah.

Magisch

@JourneymanGeek Needs more current ash

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

11:02

There were some issues with Chat/Twitter integration, Twitter made some changes that broke it (so that's why SNAFU no longer posts here)

Magisch

or more ash in general

Shadow Wizard

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog :(

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog well at least we can still onebox tweets... amazon links onebox is borked for long time now.

John Dvorak

11:16

Feeds can dump any RSS feed into here, correct?

Journeyman Geek

Yes

@Magisch I'll try

John Dvorak

11:34

And it's possible to craft an RSS feed that oneboxes as just a picture, correct?

Aibobot

hmm

No idea

Margarine

12:55

It's already mistaken as link-only

@Divin3 It is not possible to debug. We can't see the source of the website. how it is configured, etc. The Tim Post was a joke :/. It is a 404 error because the webmaster said it was. It this so difficult to understand? — DavidPostill ♦ Aug 14 '15 at 10:58

Khkhkh. David getting roasted.

If Tim wrote a post besides a lamppost, would it be Tim Post's post's post?

John Dvorak

post can't own post, only post owners can own posts

user302202

If that Post post was written today, it'd have "because users need emotional development" instead of "because I lost my keys".

Magisch

@JohnDvorak except tim post, he can own post

user302202

@JohnDvorak xkcd feed does that

user302202

Well, it's special cased...

John Dvorak

13:00

posts can't own posts, but Posts can

user302202

So I'm going to say no, any RSS feed input gets formatted by chat, it's not just some text being dumped here directly.

Magisch

@Margarine only if the Post is deposited into a Timber Postbox

Nzall

twitter.com/mattwilkinsbio/status/1128840124169687043

okay, so Twitter oneboxing is broken here too

so it's not just Arqade chat

How should I report something like that?

John Dvorak

> You can't burn someone just because you think she's a witch! someone's life is at stake here!

Tinkeringbell

@Nzall A bug report on main meta :)

Nzall

13:03

ah, okay

forgot about the bug report tag

No Distraction Wizard

yes, bug-reports

ran away

Tinkeringbell

@NoDistractionWizard It's just bug

Don't confuse people!

Nzall

Okay, bug reported

now nothing to do but wait

No Distraction Wizard

1

Q: Twitter Oneboxing in chat appears broken

Twitter Oneboxing in chatrooms appears to be broken at the time of posting. Pasting a Twitter link in chat does not change the chat message to a onebox of the tweet in question.

bug

Oh, SE post oneboxing is still working

Margarine

23 secs ago, by No Distraction Wizard

1

Q: Twitter Oneboxing in chat appears broken

Twitter Oneboxing in chatrooms appears to be broken at the time of posting. Pasting a Twitter link in chat does not change the chat message to a onebox of the tweet in question.

bug

And oneboxing oneboxes works too

Nzall

13:07

yeah, and Youtube also still works

Catija

What about XKCD?

I forget what the syntax is for that...

user302202

Just the url

John Dvorak

!xkcd 1024

Catija

I thought there was a shortcut...

Oh, maybe it's a Smokey thing?

user302202

Our grant application contains one of those little greeting card speakers that plays spaceship noises when you open it.

No Distraction Wizard

13:13

@JohnDvorak that bot already long gone...

John Dvorak

RIP

user302202

Not only that, devdoodle.net is down too.

user302202

Oh that was Astro's bot not bjb's. They looked similar to me.

John Dvorak

Ah, yes, I remember. It used Wolfram Alpha as its backend, so it wasn't hard to get BJB's house address from it

user302202

So he had to move to Berkeley.

user302202

13:33

So, more than 2 months and no one figured out how to keep spoilers off HNQ? Are you aware of any alternatives to just disabling HNQ completely? — Mars 2 days ago

user302202

You can tell when a user is new around here. :)

user302202

"more than 2 months"... the FR How to avoid “Hot Network Questions” on the sidebar took 5 years to status-completed.

user302202

Another button that the Answer Wizard should have: "if a and b < 3 does not mean what you think it means".

Margarine

With a smaller of the guy from the related meme smirking

I forgot where it was from

Montoya, right

John Dvorak

Related question: is there a language where if a and b < 3 means what one would think it does?

Python has variadic comparison (3 > a > 5) but not implicit distribution of boolean operators over comparisons

user302202

13:49

Hopefully there is no language like that, because if a is my carefully prepared boolean I need to use in that condition, I'd be unhappy to have it compared to 3.

No Distraction Wizard

if so and se <3 then

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