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One reason I can think of, based on my experience with a now-deleted request of mine, is that people tend to reflexively downvote any suggestion that makes it "easier" to have questions reopened; someone commented on that deleted question that they'd rather make reopening much more difficult than closing (even if it meant misrepresenting questions to reviewers).

Journeyman Geek

8:31 AM

@SonictheWizardWerehog well, it adds complexity

and if a edit dosen't make a question that's closed good enough to reopen, what's the point?

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

@JourneymanGeek I wouldn't be filing that request if there weren't a certain specific user who prolifically makes minor edits, and seems to be clearly aware of the fact that their minor edits put their posts into the reopen queue and chooses to make their edits anyway (against Shog's guidance I linked).

Journeyman Geek

If you want a rule to deal with a specific user...

that's even worse

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

If that weren't an issue, I'd just support an older request of mine merely asking for a notice on questions that stand to be added to the reopen queue should they be edited.

Journeyman Geek

you're literally asking them to waste time on a minor annoyance.

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

@JourneymanGeek Also, the existing mechanism that prevents some edits from adding questions there is not effective: it only checks for votes to delete and flags. The vast majority of users don't have enough rep to vote to delete, and the only flag options on closed questions are red flags and mod intervention flags (both unnecessary).

Journeyman Geek

8:36 AM

you're still making it about one user

or you could review it in the queue and reject

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

@JourneymanGeek The last time I tried to warn you of this issue, you went ahead and approved it anyway, and told me that it's OK if such edits are made, despite a comment on my question saying I should report them.

Journeyman Geek

well, apparently I felt the edit on its own was fine

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

So I could either report the user, or request a feature that would respect the wishes of other users that prefer they continue editing.

Journeyman Geek

yup. But if you want to know why the feature wasn't well recieved...

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

@JourneymanGeek But despite being aware of the fact that it would needlessly push it into the reopen queue, you allowed the user to "rearrange deck chairs on the Titanic" (Shog's words).

Journeyman Geek

8:39 AM

and? It'll make a better looking wreck

or we can make judgements based on what we have in front of us at the time

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

Now, if the ship is purely unsalvageable then it's OK, but if it weren't, I'd ask my ship crew to focus on fixing the ship rather than waste their time making the shipwreck look more spectacular.

Journeyman Geek

excellent. But you're not the captain

you're that guy who keeps barging into the wheelhouse telling everyone what to do

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

@JourneymanGeek Well, a prior request of mine (to inform suggested edit reviewers that the edit would push the question into the reopen queue) was positively received (but declined for technical reasons).

Journeyman Geek

Technically I'm not the captain either. I'm apparently some random guy they threw into a uniform and handed a big heavy thing

Olivia

@SonictheWizardWerehog I know, that's why I earlier explicitly said "answer"

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

8:42 AM

@JourneymanGeek No, I'm following orders from a ship officer (aka Shog, who came up with the ship analogy in the first place)

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheWizardWerehog shog's more of that hermit sitting in the crow's nest...

we're not entirely sure what he's doing, maybe repelling kraken

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

But he technically has more seniority than me, or most of us.

Olivia

@JourneymanGeek the kraken affects SE servers?!

Journeyman Geek

@Olivia now you know why not.

Olivia

All hail Shog, the Kraken Destroyer

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Get Answer Wizard

8:47 AM

What is this place? Ship Exchange?

Tinkeringbell

Sinking ;)

Magisch

@Tinkeringbell is obviously the ship parrot

Tinkeringbell

I get to sit on the captain's shoulder (and shit on it too :P)

Get Answer Wizard

I guess I'm just the seaman Samuel Peters then...

Tinkeringbell

@GetAnswerWizard The best part of being a parrot is you can just fly away when the ship sinks ;)

Olivia

8:58 AM

@GetAnswerWizard Yes.

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

11:00 AM

Speaking of ship sinking...I just recorded the first defunct airline in my flight log

Tinkeringbell

11:21 AM

→ 25 messages moved to Chimney

Whoah, clean air.

MikeTheLiar

2:10 PM

What, if anything, does it mean when a user is still suspended after the suspension period has ended?

Not by a tiny bit, either, by 4+ months. So it isn't caching.

Tinkeringbell

@MikeTheLiar Perhaps they need to log in/actually visit again? Do you have a link to a profile?

MikeTheLiar

Jogi

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Magisch

@MikeTheLiar bug report on meta, prolly

Tinkeringbell

Suspended until 2118?

I'm on mobile, hard to check

MikeTheLiar

F

I'll throw up a meta question

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

2:18 PM

There is a user on this site who's suspended on this site only until 2026; the suspension was levied in 2013, which IIRC was after the change to only allow max 365-day suspensions per-site.

MikeTheLiar

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Q: User's suspension period has expired, but they're still suspended?

I came across this user. There's an notification that states: This account is temporarily suspended network-wide. The suspension period ends on Dec 2 '18 at 2:35. Screencap for posterity: Unless this user is suspended until 2118 (in which case that should be made clearer), it seems like ...

bug account-suspension

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

Maybe the check was (is still?) client-side only, with mods able to modify the HTML to force higher numbers? (The chat suspension system works that way.)

@JourneymanGeek The aforementioned user also has an SU account, maybe as an SU mod you can check their suspension end date and answer that question?

Journeyman Geek

naw

I don't know the full story

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

Network-wide suspensions are technically per-site suspensions, plus a CM quickly commented on the post linked in that one about the actual suspension end date for another user

Also, 2292 is likely because the maximum allowed suspension is 99,999 days

Journeyman Geek

I don't know the full story

also I just got home ;p

soooo

maybe later if I feel like it

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

2:25 PM

@MikeTheLiar Just got marked by design (system doesn't notify on tag-only edits)

@JourneymanGeek Looks like another CM will answer it soon

Journeyman Geek

"another"

err

you mean a CM

Unless you know something I don't ;)

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

I previously mentioned a different CM here; was just making it clear

Journeyman Geek

So here's the thing a CM both likely has insight that I lack and the job of cleaning up the mess if there's one. So if they choose to answer, its cool. Just cause I have information available to me dosen't mean I can idly share it ;p

and holy carp that's a long suspension

MikeTheLiar

They are ~~banned~~ suspended until 2118

Journeyman Geek

suspended.

MikeTheLiar

2:30 PM

> holy carp

Is that like holy mackerel, but freshwater?

Mithrandir

Also note that we generally tend to avoid discussing specific users and their suspensions in public.

Tinkeringbell

@MikeTheLiar I love being right at first guess!

Journeyman Geek

@MikeTheLiar almost not not quite right.

MikeTheLiar

@Mithrandir yeah, I'm not particularly concerned about the why

Journeyman Geek

@Mithrandir outside "I have no idea what happened, nor do I feel particularly inclined to post an answer on it" ;p

Shog9

2:31 PM

I'd post examples of "why", but they'd likely get this room blocked by a lot of webfilters.

this was... not a nice user

Tinkeringbell

@Shog9 I wonder how much suspension 'nasty' actually gets then, if 'not nice' lands a suspension till 2118

Shog9

I may have a pretty low bar for "nice"

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell consider how we'd normally deal with the worst of the worse too ;)

Babylon 5: Vir at his best Part 1

►

instead...

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek yeah, on that scale being nice can land you a 1 year suspension :P

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell that would be an interesting definition of nice

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

2:38 PM

@Tinkeringbell Someone else got a suspension until 2292

(you can't go very far beyond that, at least not yet, since they're limited to 99,999 days)

Tinkeringbell

@SonictheWizardWerehog I guess that was for 'nasty' then :P

@SonictheWizardWerehog Not? That one seems to have been around for as long as I've been on SE, so I'd say 2293 should be reachable?

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

@Tinkeringbell Reworded.

Mithrandir

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

In case of such an excessively long suspension, how long are CMs willing to wait to entertain requests for appeals or reductions to time served? 50 years?

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheWizardWerehog "excessive" ... how is it excessive in some cases?

I think the idea is pretty much "we don't want you here" so the idea would be to show that you're willing to change

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

2:42 PM

@JourneymanGeek "excessive" compared to most "very long" suspensions (10 years, ~30 years, etc.)

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheWizardWerehog It could be however, necessary

in some cases, enough to get someone to change, or at least get them out of the system

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

Reminds me of a case where a video game company suspended some users until 9999, then explicitly stated that if they repeat the same behavior once that lapses, they will be permabanned

(I mean, they'll likely go bust before then)

Mithrandir

Ah, Spring. That wonderful time when ACHOOOOOOO

Tinkeringbell

@Mithrandir Wash your face and hair, and don't rub your eyes. And wear a dust mask ;)

Mithrandir

Yeah... my problem is that it also exacerbates nosebleeds, so I've been looking like a murderer for a bit the last week or so

Tinkeringbell

2:57 PM

That's... A bit of a problem, yes

Mithrandir

I'm actually old enough now to do surgery on my nose to stop them, so that's on the table.

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

Surgery on one's own nose is usually difficult.

Mithrandir

fair

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

3:12 PM

> After repeated fraudulent proposals and an email conversation stating clearly that we are no longer interested in building a site for this subject, the authors continue to disregard such conversations and Area 51 Discussions. Please do not continue creating proposals for this subject. Any further proposals will be deleted without notice and participants risk having having their accounts banned from using these services permanently

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Ontology Network

Proposed Q&A site for developers and users of the Ontology Network, a high-performance public multi-blockchain project and distributed trust collaboration platform.

Closed before being launched.

Shadow Wizard

3:31 PM

Heh. Looks like spam site proposal.

The one who proposed it owns that thing. Must admit, smart spammer.

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

in SO Close Vote Reviewers on Stack Overflow Chat, 1 min ago, by Nick A

I assume they wanted a SEDE query to get the user with the highest rep in each tag (hence pinging rene rofl)

canon

@Shog9 That threshold was forged in the fires of meta.

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

4:05 PM

Is this special?

Okay, just used it now in CHQ and it's a coincidence...

ArtOfCode

nope, Smokey just thinks it's your fault

M.A.R. The Chemical Wizard

5:52 PM

-5

Q: Stack Overflow has engaged in ideological censorship and unwelcoming behavior

What happened? On April 10, 2019, a user posted a response to a Meta question discussing how SO might take action in response to the gender disparity in the programming industry. The post essentially objected to the premise of the question, and it was heavily downvoted. A few hostile comments ...

discussion deleted-answers code-of-conduct

At first I upvoted because they have a point but it seems too much context is left out so I retracted upvote.

It would indeed be a molehill if it's just the one instance, and AFAIK, it is.

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

7:30 PM

@M.A.R.TheChemicalWizard I think that's Yvette's answer? She tweeted about it earlier; her tweet prompted me to make another one of my own.

Get Answer Wizard

Looks like Tweet Exchange...

Catija

@SonictheWizardWerehog You mean question?

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

Whose question?

Catija

The answer being talked about was on a question written by Yvette... it was not her answer that was deleted... so I'm confused what you mean by "Yvette's answer"

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

7:46 PM

I don't have 10k+ on SO so I'm also confused as to what answer is where and by whom...

Catija

There's a link to the answer in the post MAR oneboxed...

Kevin B

a link to the answer though doesn't make it visible

:shrug:

Magisch

you're not missing much

I find calling this ideological censorship a tad extreme. It was pretty clear the answer's op was not looking for a constructive discussion

Catija

@KevinB No, but it doesn't make sense to speculate whose answer it is... Yvette isn't even a logical choice since it's her question... and I hardly think that she'd post something like that ... twice.

If @SonictheWizardWerehog wants to know, ask... tying a mod to that answer being discussed is... ... gross.

Magisch

It wasn't yvette

unless you want to suggest some sort of alt account conspiracy which would be unlikely and uncharacteristic

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

7:52 PM

stroopwafels

Catija

Again. this is not a useful thing to speculate. Please don't.

Kevin B

*answer author? or do you mean the meta question

jpm is certainly not a sock

Magisch

just stop giving this any more air then it needs to

really not worth making a federal case out of

M.A.R. The Chemical Wizard

OMG what did I just start

@Magisch hehe

Makes unprofessional joke

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

Another craving of Dutch delicacies, that's what

Magisch

8:05 PM

there's a screenshot of the thing buried somewhere in one of the MSE threads about it in the edit history

for those who simply cannot move on without satisfying their curiosity

M.A.R. The Chemical Wizard

Well I killed my curiosity before it killed me

It was a brutal scene. Lots of mayonnaise everywhere

Get Answer Wizard

I haven't even reached that meta question since I'm currently stuck on another one on another site's meta...

(unrelated to that matter)

M.A.R. The Chemical Wizard

@GetAnswerWizard Try acetone

If it's an eye-jarring meta post trying loosening the cap with hot water.

^ Pun of the week.

-1

Q: Are there fake StackOverflow questions to push for some frameworks popularity?

I have noticed (on StackOverflow) bunch of questions by level 1 users on some kind of unheard platforms, pretty close timewise, and with some answers from the same person - or group of persons. Is it a thing to boost a tag popularity or is it just a coincidence and really organic development? E...

programming

Kevin B

oh, that's absolutely a thing

though it's rarely successful

user384163

8:56 PM

Can one disassociate from a single post without disassociating from the entire site?

Mithrandir

Technically, yes - use the Contact Us form or a mod flag to request it.

Generally not done, though.

Get Answer Wizard

9:09 PM

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Q: Add reasoning on what the job reactions means

What do the job reactions mean: The first three are obvious. What does it mean if I give a job a unicorn? What about crying hysterically. And doesnt :( mean thumbs down? This is very confusing. At least some tooltips would help?

discussion jobs

reminds me of

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A: Should we really allow thank you comments?

So... This is one of those ideas that sounds really caring. Who could possibly be against expressions of gratitude! I mean, sure, they get noisy for 3rd-party readers after a while, but hey, small cost compared to making authors feel good right? Well... After a while, they ain't that much fun f...

Journeyman Geek

10:33 PM

@KevinB oh man ..

Not true

Kevin B

the part you replied to specifically?

Journeyman Geek

There's a few folks who have pulled it off

Kevin B

I can think of one specifically

Journeyman Geek

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My flight is from Washington, D.C. (IAD) to London Heathrow , with British Airways. Important Details The Bazooka will be bought legally from a shop in Maryland British Airways' website explains in details the policy regarding decommissioned firearms. The Bazooka is de-activated. UK Violent C...

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