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Tinkeringbell

10:03 AM

@Asuna Sure, like my day wasn't bad enough

Shree

!!/blame

SmokeDetector

@Shree It's Adam Lear's fault.

Shree

:D

Journeyman Geek

@SmokeDetector works for me

John Dvorak

Is it the guy who ate God's lunch and doomed humanity?

Journeyman Geek

10:08 AM

@JohnDvorak it had pickles. The good ones too

John Dvorak

Adam had pickles, and put us in a pickle?

Asuna

@Tinkeringbell I figured. I know how much you love miserable days after all :p

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

!!/watch iphongthuy\.net

SmokeDetector

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog That pattern looks like it's already caught by Potentially bad keyword in body and Potentially bad keyword in answer; append -force if you really want to do that.

Journeyman Geek

@ɪBᴜɢ for more context en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_engineering

@JohnDvorak why would god have an apple for lunch. ;P

John Dvorak

10:18 AM

Do you know just how big precambrian apples were?

Tinkeringbell

@JohnDvorak Do you?

John Dvorak

Clearly they could serve as a lunch for a divine being

Magisch

divine doesnt necessarily mean big

omnipotence means you can have whatever shape you want.

Bookends

Red Delicious, of course!

Journeyman Geek

Also if you were an omnipotent being you could have anything for lunch

@Magisch actually it means you know all

John Dvorak

10:22 AM

@JourneymanGeek That's omniscience

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek That sounds great right now. I'd take one 'special' coworker, raw.

That guy is soooo lucky he's on vacation right now!

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

Are stroopwafels really as popular in the Netherlands as the media here claim them to be?

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Bookends

If it's daily food, then it degrades into non-popular

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

!!/blacklist-website consumerempire\.com

SmokeDetector

10:29 AM

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog You don't have code privileges, but I've created PR#2645 for you.

Tinkeringbell

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog Depends. I haven't had one in a loooong while.

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@Tinkeringbell Do you like them? (I just ordered a large pack of them from a local manufacturer)

Tinkeringbell

Yeah, they're good. Especially the freshly baked ones.

Magisch

@Tinkeringbell maneating parrot, beware

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@Tinkeringbell Never tried them freshly baked, but this particular manufacturer does them really well

Airlines here have taken a liking to them, they're giving them out as free snacks

Tinkeringbell

10:33 AM

@Magisch Full story starts here. Long story short: Nespresso makes a mess in version control and is now on vacation, and I'm stuck finding out how to fix it without making stuff worse.

Derpy

@Tinkeringbell git: perfect for cherry picking security patches and reapplying them between different linux kernel branches.... Not so good for managing the average "agile development" project.

but everyone uses it! Must be good! FOR EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tinkeringbell

@Derpy This isn't even agile. We could've just done the cherry pick thing carefully and be fine, but no, we got to pretend to be agile so there won't be any cherry picking.

Heck, we could've even just merged things through without reverting anything: as long as we don't put a validation rule in the config (which is not in git and still done manually) the code does nothing...

Derpy

@Tinkeringbell fun fact: about 99.9% of the agile development projects aren't actually agile.

Tinkeringbell

But noooo, we don't want any code in development that isn't running.

Derpy

this estimate is probably rounded down, too..

SmokeDetector

10:48 AM

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Magisch

agile sounds so good in theory but management never wants to actually cede the complete control

John Dvorak

same applies to free market

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch In this case, true. IT doesn't even allow me to manually update the config files on a test server, meaning I have to a.) have code reviewed and merged into a branch, b.) wait until the code is put on the test server with a nightly build c.) mail someone the next morning and hope they're awake/at work and have time to quickly adapt the config file so that someone can start testing.

I've shouted 'GIVE ME PRIVILEGES ALREADY' a few times, doesn't work.

Magisch

in my company it's not agile at all, some sort of scuffed waterfall model (eg all developers have 100% production and test access, we just have our projects and work on them, sometimes together, and have a weekly status meeting. few hard deadlines

no user stories or anything

Derpy

@Magisch seems you missed the main point of "being agile". ^_^'

in some companies, the term agile is just an excuse to cut on project management and structure, and let the dev (aka: last wheel) fill up the gaps.

Bookends

10:59 AM

"being agile" is to be always ready for last-minute new feature requests :)

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell you should bite them

Shadow Wizard

11:12 AM

@JNat long time no response, hope you're fine! Anyway, cross site spammer for your ever gentle care. Thanks! :)

Derpy

@Bookends exactly. It is a magic word that can be used to require the devs to grant wishes at any time... no need to rub the magic lamp either.

"Be Proactive" is another rune word that you may have heard.

Asuna

!!/approve 2645

Tinkeringbell

11:38 AM

@JourneymanGeek Yeah, I'm thinking of showing what a parrots beak is capable of doing to nuts ;)

Magisch

@Tinkeringbell was that ... a quadruple entendre?

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch I only see a triple one...

Shadow Wizard

Parrots Crack Tough Nuts - Macadamia, Hazelnut

►

Magisch

@Tinkeringbell both parrots beak and nuts have a dual meaning in that sentence, no?

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch Ehh, I didn't think of the beak, but you're right about the nuts. ;)

Derpy

11:52 AM

@Magisch Ok, since you had to ask, I tried to look the other way for this time but it seems the room really needs this.

Magisch

Hey, there are at least 2 interpretations I can think of that are entirely innocent

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Tinkeringbell

Nice try....

I REFUSE TO BE TRAINED!

Shadow Wizard

@Magisch checking parrots beak

Tinkeringbell

says AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Shadow Wizard

11:59 AM

ohhhh

@Magi you mean the UD definition??

Learning something new every day! lol

Bookends

12:09 PM

Nuts & bolts...

Derpy

@ShadowWizard I'M EVERYWHERE!

Minecraft: ESCAPE CLOUD OBBY!!! - Modded Custom Map

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Shadow Wizard

hmm?

Derpy

@ShadowWizard watch the video...

Shadow Wizard

@Derpy MLP in minecraft? What about it?

When you'll have a Doom version with MLP characters I'll be impressed. ;)

Derpy

@ShadowWizard Actually, not just any pony. Look better, it is a Derpy :P

Bookends

12:14 PM

MLP version with Doom characters???

Shadow Wizard

also since I never played minecraft and not familiar with it, I probably missed the point. (e.g. no idea what escape cloud means)

Cloud you can ride and escape from monsters? Sounds rather cool actually. :D

@Derpy ohh

Derpy

@ShadowWizard nope, that is a custom map and as far as I know, "Cloud" is the name of their cat.

Seems "escape [insert character name]" parkour/platforming maps are very popular in Roblox, they tried to make one in Minecraft. That is the result.

...

But I mostly was just pointing out the random Derpy npc in there.

@ShadowWizard anyway...

would Ponyvania be a sufficient replacement?

MLP Let's Play - Ponyvania: Order of Equestria - Part 01 - What is a Pony?

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Shadow Wizard

I am impressed!

Gameplay RariDoom (Doom MLP Mod) C/ Andrew

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Derpy

@ShadowWizard by this?

Shadow Wizard

@Derpy by the Doom mod

8 mins ago, by Shadow Wizard

When you'll have a Doom version with MLP characters I'll be impressed. ;)

I didn't know it exists when posting this ^

lol

Derpy

12:25 PM

@ShadowWizard doesn't really surprise me. But that is just a mod. The Ponyvania one I posted before is an original game based on Castlevania.

SmokeDetector

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Shadow Wizard

Well, I'm not familiar with Castlevania, I am familiar with Doom. :)

So something based on something I'm not familiar is, is less impressive than something based on something I'm familiar with. :D

Derpy

@ShadowWizard Legend of Zelda?

Shadow Wizard

@SmokeDetector why

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizard Blacklisted website in body - Position 8684-8699: techsupport.com

Shadow Wizard

12:34 PM

@SmokeDetector fp-

@Derpy familiar

Derpy

@ShadowWizard I remember someone once did a sprite swap for the old SNES game and created Legend of Equestria: A Derpy to The Past.

SmokeDetector

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Bookends

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Q: What actions have been taken after the data breach reported on Feb 5 2019?

On Feb 5, 2019, a data breach was reported and a Stack Overflow Product Manager admitted to causing it. We got an "oops, sorry, won't happen again". For some, this is not enough, considering it's not the first data breach caused by sloppiness on handling personal information. As I can not see ...

Derpy

12:50 PM

@Bookends I am tempted, really tempted...

Should we ask a question on Law ?

Asking if that incident is indeed a violation of some GDPR-related law or not?

So that the cactus may finally sleep undisturbed?

Tinkeringbell

@Derpy The cactus already said they might ask, so don't take steal the rep? :P

Bookends

Huh, the exact comment recommending to post this on Law was deleted? Because that's the comment the cactus was replying to

Ah, yeah, "Has there been a Law question about this vs. amateur comment speculation?"

Derpy

@Tinkeringbell It was 15 minutes ago! Was this a restaurant, I would have already left! Where is the chaos? Where is the promised drama? My pop-corn is getting stale.

@Bookends yep. Just deleted.

This is indeed pretty strange.

not like that comment was particularly noisy or rude.

If I were wearing a tinfoil hat, I would say this is an intricate attempt at avoiding anyone asking there.

..... to be fair... it has been a while since the cactus last message....

they must have already gotten him

this means....

we are next!

quick, @Bookends, hide on that bookshelf! I will hide in that muffin cupboard!

Bookends

ate the muffin

Shadow Wizard

pouring milk on @Book

Derpy

1:01 PM

that said.... it is Monday..

a boring Monday.

could as well do my part in this show.

You know, I notice that another paragraph was lost in the new Tos. May as well ask about that too.

Shadow Wizard

> By using this site you declare yourself a pony

This one? ^

Derpy

@ShadowWizard nope, that wouldn't stir any chaos.

Also, I think that may actually be a thing on some Hasbro site.

Tinkeringbell

@Derpy I'm going with 'a really bad Monday'.

Derpy

nope. I was thinking about something else.

> Under no circumstances will Subscriber use the Network or the Service to (a) send unsolicited e-mails, bulk mail, spam or other materials to users of the Network or any other individual, (b) harass, threaten, stalk or abuse any person or party, including other users of the Network, (c) create a false identity or to impersonate another person, or (d) knowingly post any false, inaccurate or incomplete material,

Journeyman Geek

Subscriber thought

Shadow Wizard

1:09 PM

@Tinkeringbell :(

Journeyman Geek

We could nuke a few users for life that way...

Shadow Wizard

Nespresso Monday? @Tink

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizard He's on vacation and he left me with a mess.

Shadow Wizard

@Tinkeringbell reminds me of my kids and bathroom

(enough said lol)

Derpy

@JourneymanGeek aren't the "Subscriber" there the users of the network?

I wasn't talking about the Amazon thing....

Shadow Wizard

1:10 PM

SE doesn't require subscription so no, I don't think so.

Derpy

> Profile Content is information about you (a Subscriber) that is contributed by you or inferred about you by your activity. Profile Content includes, but is not limited to, display names, reputation scores, avatars, your role and company, and other user generated content found on a Subscriber's profile such as "About Me" content.

they called the users "Subscriber"

Bookends

> yeah, "oops, won't happen again". I believe that SO tries to keep higher standards than other companies, and this question is a bit to test that.

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizard This is the GitLab mess I've been untangling today.

Derpy

so as far as I read it "Subscriber == users" in the old ToS

Bookends

@Bookends that really, really reminds me of IPS-HNQ extravaganza...

Shadow Wizard

1:13 PM

@Bookends to be honest, not sure what they expect SE to do. Fire the one responsible for the mistake? Compensate those affected? Both appear to be overkills IMO.

hmm... unless compensation is in the form of swag. :)

Derpy

so, if I am right the old text can be rewritten as:

> Under no circumstances will Network Users use the Network or the Service to (a) send unsolicited e-mails, bulk mail, spam or other materials to users of the Network or any other individual,

Shadow Wizard

@Tinkeringbell what... is... it... faints

Feeds

If physics had a mafia, I'm pretty sure the BICEP2 mess would have ended in bloodshed.

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizard merges and reverts and more reverts of the reverts and then also partially reverting a merge of a revert and AAAAAAAKH BRAINOVERFLOW.

Bookends

@Feeds yes.

Shadow Wizard

1:15 PM

Must admit, Nespresso does have a nice handwriting.

That is handwrite, right? @Tink

Bookends

Suggest: create a new branch for every commit...

Magisch

@Tinkeringbell How to reduce developer productivity by 95% with one easy trick

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizard That is my handwriting. Nespresso isn't here and if his handwriting is anything like his coding it'll be not legible

Shadow Wizard

@Tinkeringbell ohh.... wait, so I don't get how Nespresso is related to that paper?

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch Especially as it took me 2 hours to make out what happened and draw up a chart that was correct and readable (no scratching stuff out)

Magisch

1:18 PM

In these 2 hours I have solved 4 tickets and worked on a new report

because I actually have permissions and dont need to ask IT for them. I am IT here :D

Tinkeringbell

I want that toooooooo whine

@Bookends That's almost already happening

@ShadowWizard Nespresso created the mess, I needed to write out what happened to figure out what happened and how to fix it (get A2/B2 back in release branch)

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch I miss being IT

Derpy

@Tinkeringbell FUN! MYSTERY! ENDLESS DISCOVERY!

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

delv-pls 20k+ meta.stackexchange.com/questions/324132/…

Tinkeringbell

@Derpy I think whatever I did to fix it has caused potential for a huge merge conflict later on (when Nespresso tries to revert the revert), but that's not going to be my problem. I already notified the scrum master of this ;)

Magisch

1:27 PM

@Tinkeringbell arent you just contracted out to this?

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch New team, same company, tomorrow.

That's going to be the team I'll stick with for a looong time hopefully ;) and if not, I'm going to find another company to be contracted out to, I'm getting tired of new codebases to try and understand every few months.

SmokeDetector

1:54 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer (94): How to keep mail messages on servers for Apple mail? by Deller Hadllton on apple.SE

Bookends

2:11 PM

Been a while, but... latest... SEEN... Android.SE still has 2(1?) days left for the voting phase, Workplace.SE is going strong with 3 candidates for 1 position (soon voting phase!), while Freelancing.SE may be failing...

Tinkeringbell

@Bookends Biology is at the question collection stage and will start nominations soon too

Shadow Wizard

@Bookends heh. No candidates means the site will close down, right?

So... R.I.P Freelance.SE

Poor @rene and @Stijn won't have a site to ask about their job now....

Well, a site that can't moderate itself has no place in SE, that's for sure.

We can't expect CM's to moderate sites.

That said, better mention this fact in Area 51 in some big red letters when one submit a new site proposal. Even though it should be trivial.

Bookends

@ShadowWizard fortunately, not on this case

> On February 18, if there are three or more candidates, we'll run an election. If not, I'll simply appoint the candidates. -- Announcing a Pro Tempore election

Shadow Wizard

@Bookends oh. Well... personally I can see why SE will just close such a site instead of spending tons of CM time on it.

Magisch

@Bookends That means anyone who can repcap on Freelancing in 5 hours gets a free diamond out of it

which might be a tall order considering the most active member of the site has gained 216 rep in total this year

Shadow Wizard

2:23 PM

Not really, nomination can be aborted.

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizard Not immediately ;)

Bookends

Let's do it together!... users were suspended for voting fraud

Magisch

0.1 questions / day

Shadow Wizard

@Tinkeringbell well, it should when it happens more than once then.

It's like trying to revive a dead body...

No candidates means nobody of the site core users care enough about the site to become mod, or more likely the site has no core users at all. Such a site is dead already.

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@Bookends Of the three mods on Freelancing, are there any that are intending to resign?

@ShadowWizard Not necessarily. SE has stated that sites should have three mods as a guideline, though they can get by with two if they are really active.

Shadow Wizard

2:26 PM

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog well but if they run elections on a site, it's for a good reason.

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizard That's true. If there's repeatedly no response, that may happen. But a site won't get shut down after just 1 election where no-one steps forward. Besides, someone may care a lot about the site but not want to become a moderator ;)

Bookends

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog not that I could find of

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@ShadowWizard It's to add more moderators to help serve as a buffer in case one or more of the mods serving since 2013 decides to resign.

Bookends

@ShadowWizard dunno, it's election period anyway, random sites may suddenly get election...

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

!!/report meta.stackexchange.com/questions/324135/…

!!/watch-number +91-8107429992

SmokeDetector

2:28 PM

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog You don't have code privileges, but I've created PR#2647 for you.

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

!!/blacklist-keyword baba ji

SmokeDetector

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog That pattern looks like it's already caught by Bad keyword in answer and Bad keyword in body; append -force if you really want to do that.

Shadow Wizard

@Tinkeringbell meh... guess you're right. :)

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Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizard Of course I am :D

SmokeDetector

2:41 PM

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Bookends

2:59 PM

@ShadowWizard korean.stackexchange.com/election :)

Shadow Wizard

@Bookends that's really weird. The only candidate was already a mod.....

(since 2016)

So... wonder how come he didn't get a second diamond! :P

Fixed!

user302202

3:29 PM

Yeah, the Korean pro tem election essentially failed since nobody volunteered. A mod nominating in a pro tem election is just a weird thing with no consequence.

user302202

Strictly speaking, that mod-candidate should have been removed and the election declared a failure.

user302202

But it's easier to do nothing and say that it completed automatically.

Shadow Wizard

Yup

user302202

If you suffer from bad credit, you have 3 options: do nothing

Tweeted by Horse_ebooks on November 3, 2011 at 8:25 PM

user302202

s/credit/election turnout/

Shadow Wizard

3:36 PM

@Peter (Mortensen) still can't figure MSE is getting off topic questions...

Maybe because Wikipedia doesn't have that concept?

(i.e. nothing is off topic on Wikipedia)

Rob

Workplace.SE has 3x visits per day as it has questions. SE could simply make it 'read only' (like when they're doing maintenance) if they find it's not manageable with the Moderators and users helping out. Actually shutting it down makes little monetary sense, as it pays it's way.

Shadow Wizard

heh

Mithrandir

I... don't think anybody was considering shutting down TWP.

Shadow Wizard

Think it was just a crude example. No? @Rob

Rob

There are comments above, from people whom wouldn't be involved in making the decision. If that's what is meant by "anybody".

Sites have been weak and continued, it depends on how good it is and how bad it gets.

Shadow Wizard

3:46 PM

Think the worst so far was Health.SE, which was recently renamed in order to try and save it.

But maybe there were/are worse, not really checking those things.

Rob

Ironic that it's health was poor.

Shadow Wizard

lol

Good point...

Health.SE is very sick...

Rob

You'd think Skeptics would do better, HNQ always ...

Shadow Wizard

Still better than Yahoo! Answers health section/sub forums, when I checked there years ago, 99% of the questions were the same. (You can imagine what it was, I guess. lol :))

Rob

and how many of us plan to build a rocket, or purchase a quantum computing - but those are particularly interesting subjects.

Shadow Wizard

3:49 PM

@Rob Many Life Hacks questions get HNQ too, mine just did. lol

Rob

Imagine ... losing and gaining.

Tinkeringbell

@Rob IPS was in HNQ a lot too :P didn't make a good site ;)

Rob

Yes, how to make a shotgun from a paperclip and a used toothpaste tube - everyone is MacGyver.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard I think his edits are semi automatic

Rob

They were too interpersonal, and lacking in skillz.

Shadow Wizard

3:51 PM

@JourneymanGeek yeah, like @Glorfindel? But he does have a clear edit summary for each edit which is different, so not sure.

Shog9

IPS is having a crisis of conscience now that it isn't in HNQ

> Before putting it back on, I would consider that IPS often pushes users away from Stack Exchange as a whole. I know people who don't go on SE purely because IPS is always in their face.

Journeyman Geek

@Rob and a gum wrapper

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@ShadowWizard Interestingly, the Wikipedia community proposed a requirement to require users to be autoconfirmed (fulfill basic new user restrictions) in order to be able to create articles. The request was rejected by the system admins initially, but they later agreed to a trial, and after that trial, it was made permanent.

Rob

✔️

Derpy

@Tinkeringbell who needs IPS nowadays? Nahh, if you want a sucessful site try something like scams.stackexchange.com, a site where you can share techniques to scam people.

Tinkeringbell

3:53 PM

@Shog9 One disgruntled user does not a crisis make. Answer doesn't even make sense: it talks about years, IPS wasn't even in HNQ for years..

Shog9

user was on IPS before

Tinkeringbell

I don't mind being out of HNQ for what it's worth

@Shog9 Yep.

@Derpy Didn't I share that security email scam in here today?

Prime example of what not to do

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@Tinkeringbell IPS's removal from HNQ has a bright side: it allows moderators to create an artificial question with an artificial vote count for displaying on the tour page, without causing confusion.

Rob

@Shog9 IPS could merge with Parenting, learn what they need.

Shadow Wizard

Monday

Tinkeringbell

3:57 PM

@Rob Tackle the root cause? ;)

Derpy

ops, sorry for some reason I read that as yesterday.

Rob

Yes.

Shog9

@Rob I've recommended learning from Parenting before

Derpy

Will blame Parrot Ninja Edit

Tinkeringbell

@Shog9 Being out of HNQ finally makes doing that a bit more manageable :)

@Derpy I did not edit, not this time.

Rob

3:59 PM

And they knocked you down from 101 to 97!

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@Shog9 IMO allowing users to filter HNQ by site and letting newer users know that HNQs are in fact from sister sites will mostly fix the issue. The tweet was probably triggered by the user not knowing the purpose of the list, which was previously pointed out in a famous micro-study.

Tinkeringbell

@Rob On meta? Those were some very BIG downvotes then :P

Shadow Wizard

Who has 97 rep?

Shog9

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog "filter by site" would be a useful option, but doesn't fix the problem at all IMHO

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@Shog9 Yes, a large proportion of users are logged-out, and SE has refused to implement preferences for them.

Derpy

4:01 PM

@Tinkeringbell this one?

4 hours ago, by Tinkeringbell

Shadow Wizard

IMO "watch site" and "ignore site" is good option for HNQ sidebar remake, at least for a start.

rene

@ShadowWizard You must have more than 300 reputation to nominate yourself as a candidate in this election. ... so I visited the election on freelance.se ... don't say I don't care ... ;)

Tinkeringbell

@Derpy Yep ;)

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@Shog9 What do you think about changing the heading? It would at least resolve the problem pointed out in the micro-study.

Rob

@Tinkeringbell Here on IPS, the joke being that they objected to the advice.

Shadow Wizard

4:02 PM

@rene :D

Derpy

@Tinkeringbell didn't saw it before, not sure what it is supposed to mean

Shog9

that's the old Reddit conceit: "yes, the front page is trash garnished with trash covered in a chunky trash icing and stuffed with a smooth filing of trash... But if you customize your subreddit subscriptions you can block all the popular ones and have a homepage full of useful stuff... that you have to continually garden because everyone else is chasing the same thing"

Tinkeringbell

@Derpy Company sent out a training email with that address showing up bigger than the entire email text. Now, I may be a blonde but I'm not that dumb that a.) I'll fall for that trick or b.) Will take a lot of time to report the phishing attempt as it's so obviously fake (hence the refusal to be trained)

Rob

Lots of people ought to have received better parenting. Occasionally I mention that if the person is old enough, I wouldn't say to a child that their parents are ... and thus have a lot of problems, but I've explained that to teenagers and adults.

Derpy

@Tinkeringbell Social Engineering attempt successful. Sorry, Parrot, I have been working for your company all along.

Tinkeringbell

4:07 PM

@Rob Some adults are sadly incapable of doing so :(. And not because their own parenting was horrible

Derpy

@Tinkeringbell You failed the test. I had you disclosing your hair color.

Tinkeringbell

@Derpy My hair color has never been a secret

Rob

Once I explained to someone about a third party: "They know how to have children, but don't know what to do once they have had children.".

Derpy

@Tinkeringbell Don't try to fool us. You failed the test and will have to take part to the advanced Security 101 classroom, starting in 6-8 something from now.

Bookends

@Rob been there, done that: Personal Productivity is unproductive

Mar 3 '18 at 22:52, by user315433

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Q: Personal Productivity Stack Exchange will be closing on March 6th

We recently opened a call for new moderators to step up and help lead this site, which was met with a few upvotes and a lot of tumbleweeds rolling by. Given the non-existent interest there, we were forced to look more closely at the health of this site and whether this community is suitable to co...

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Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

4:12 PM

You know why I feel bad about the whole HNQ matter? Because I was caught in the middle of all this. Sure, this event wasn't my entire fault, but I'm feeling very bad for provoking it. After it happened I felt very angry at myself for asking that question there. The whole situation has just been giving me discomfort.

Rob

So, unproductive.

Bookends

and I found this instead :/ collapsed-stacks.github.io

Erik A

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog I know the feeling... I'm very uncomfortable with the direction the whole Amazon-mail thing went.

Unfortunately we can't roll back time and un-ask the question

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@ErikA That pretty much summarizes why I have a vested interest in restoring IPS on HNQ.

Tinkeringbell

@ErikA one of the principles of communication. You can't uncommunicate.

Rob

4:19 PM

More irony, Big Data didn't have it's data released, according to Bookends' collapsed stack link, but not because it was too big.

Bookends

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog what if.... another user who had the same problem with you asked that question instead? would you feel the same?

JNat

@ShadowWizard gone

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@JNat I also had one

8 hours ago, by Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@JNat cross-site spammer for nuking; https://stackexchange.com/users/15355122/samsun-rock

JNat

going through 'em

have 4 or so from Shadow from last week before getting to yours ;)

Mithrandir

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog patience

Derpy

4:25 PM

@Bookends and here I stand, looking at the bare plains of Area 51.

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@Bookends I don't know if there would be anyone else participating in the site who would even face the same problem.

Alex

@Tinkeringbell He left the hospital on December 7. His conduct continued to be peculiar. He was uncommunicative and solitary.

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@Alex The correct word is "noncommunicative".

Alex

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog That sentence is from the American Medical Association Archives of Neurology and Psychiatry.

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@Alex They need to improve their English then.

Tinkeringbell

4:30 PM

@Alex yeah, I should've used 'irreversible' but my English didn't want to work.

Alex

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog Perhaps. Or English is more flexible then it may seem at first glance.

@Tinkeringbell I don't think anyone didn't understand what you meant.

Derpy

@ErikA so, what would have changed if you didn't? Less drama? Less rants? Less "GDPR FEES!!!!" screams?

Bookends

> uncommunicative: not disposed to talk or impart information -- Merriam-Webster

still possible

Alex

There are many examples where "un" means essentially the same thing as "non".

Erik A

@Derpy Probably just mailed it instead of creating a meta post. Then SE would've known about the issue, no fuss no drama at all

Or posted it on MSE, different audience, way less drama

Derpy

4:33 PM

usually it you have an issue with someone the only way to solve it is to solve it. Which mostly of the times requires talking.

Ignoring the issue because you fear it will explode in something worse....

Bookends

@Derpy a welcoming tweet posted in April that links to a HNQ about GDPR

Derpy

... usually has only the effect of hiding resentment under the carpet

Bookends

I think I got 5 strikes out of 5...

Derpy

Ignore a problem now, so that it will come up again tomorrow

Erik A

The whole GDPR unlawful sue SE fire everyone!! stuff is just near harrasment, not at all what I wanted, in a mail they could've thought carefully

And apparently thinking it over is not what MSO wants, they are asking for an update while imo SE already has posted adequate answers.

Derpy

4:37 PM

they did? Probably many users wouldn't agree on that one

Forget about the whole legal issue for a moment and you will notice that many are genuinely upset not because incident but because it is the last in a sequence of very odd events

Erik A

Yeah but I really think 95% of affected users will just want to use that coupon anyway and share their email with Amazon themselves. That leaves just a very small group that's truly affected

Derpy

events that - still based on what seem to be a common opinion - seems to show that lately too many decision were taken without enough thinking

Bookends

apparently it made me tired to concern about that, so I'll ignore the issue just like the HNQ incidence~

Erik A

But let's not argue about it, that has been done enough

Derpy

@ErikA you may fail to take in account that even in that 95% share... some may NOT want to have amazon realize they work in the IT field.

or at least that is yet another point that gets made a lot.

JNat

4:42 PM

@ShadowWizard gone

Derpy

Anyway, will be interesting to see if that post on the other meta - the one requesting info about the incident aftermath will get any noteworthy reply.

Bookends

signed off until Happy Hour

Derpy

To be fair, as now I am pretty curios to see if my question about the ToS and Ask Ubuntu will get any comment too.

user302202

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog I don't think this would fix anything. "I went to Stack Overflow and saw text that made me uncomfortable / feel unwelcome" is the entire user story here. It does not matter if the text came from another site or from an alien spaceship, or that it could be hidden with site settings.

JNat

@ShadowWizard and gone

Derpy

4:44 PM

btw, unrelated....

Is Glorfindel gone on vacation?

Second time I manage to post the "lost soul" comment before he can.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching product name in body (99): Raspberry Pi 3 B won't boot up again, even after (supposedly) clean shutdown by Muhammad Saad Jumani on raspberrypi.SE

Derpy

very odd, I always assume he was just a very well made bot, seems he actually is human (or pony) after all.

@Glorfindel Where are you gone? ^ I will steal all your close votes if you don't come back :P

JNat

@ShadowWizard aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand gone

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog and gone too!

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in body (99): Mysql load high cpu by Ho nguyen on dba.SE

Mithrandir

5:14 PM

Does SEDE max out at 3420 results?

MEE is Johann Gambolputty ...

@Derpy I just did this too, but I am using the same userscript (he wrote it)

Asuna

Depends on the query @Mithrandir

Mithrandir

Oh, right; it does specify 3420 in the query. I ran it on SO, though, so I was confused why it always gave me the same number of results :P

Asuna

Yeah, but size still matters a lot

Group by increases the results included, but some queries time out at some sizes

that's why my recent flag and edit target queries limit it to 1000 posts

Mithrandir

Yeah, that's what I usually do as well, but this is someone else's ancient query that I've never really used on SO before - only smaller sites

Asuna

5:21 PM

I just made a basic query to find answers containing help outside quotes and it timed out xd

Hopefully that doesn't mean there's that many NAA's .-.

user302202

6:06 PM

@Asuna That's a weak signal. stackoverflow.com/search?q=help+is%3Aa

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

This proposal has just a couple days left until it gets closed for not meeting the 4-month deadline for Definition. Just recently, a bunch of votes were invalidated causing its number of questions with 10+ score to plummet.

Asuna

@Mrs.Robinson expanded to help me outside quotes, max score 1.

user302202

Even with max score 0, a weak signal. stackoverflow.com/search?q=help+is%3Aa+score%3A..0

user302202

The word "help" naturally appears in reference to help pages, "this should help", and so on.

user302202

It is not a strong indication of a request.

Bookends

6:18 PM

newest "please help" answers with score of 0 or less ... "please help" is also used by answerers to request for improvement on their valid answers

although meta-commentary, but still not NAA

"i need help" looks similar...

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

delv-pls 20k+ meta.stackexchange.com/questions/324145/…

delv-pls 20k+ meta.stackexchange.com/questions/324141/…

Asuna

oh well

It was worth a try ^^"

user302202

6:52 PM

SO is actually quite good in removing blatant NAA of the "trying to ask" category. The answer/comment distinction is another matter.

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