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Andras Deak

00:00

No :P

user1271772

I should have known about the second 's' actually, I used to have a Sony Ericcson

Ericsson*

Andras Deak

On an unrelated note, do you happen to have dyslexia or dysgraphia?

user1271772

But for some reason I thought this Jon had only one 's'

Shadow Wizard

@user1271772 for insisting to use a wrong name like Shog09 when you know it's wrong, I'd say. But I do find it funny. :)

user1271772

@AndrasDeak I might, but never professionally diagnosed

Andras Deak

00:01

Well, anyone might.

Shadow Wizard

@user1271772 never too late.... :)

Andras Deak

It's like playing the violin: you never know until you try.

Shadow Wizard

Riding bikes?

user1271772

Never tried violin. Played piano and trumpet for years

Shadow Wizard

@user1271772 with a band? Like @jadarnel27?

user1271772

00:02

I love riding bikes. Once did Barcelona to Valencia in 4 days

@ShadowWizard bands, orchestras, jazz combos, military marches,

Shadow Wizard

@user1271772 nice! How long ago?

Andras Deak

Marching band vs piano is the best combo

user1271772

I was in over 250 ensembles between 1999 and 2005, but slowed down my trumpet playing heavily since then

Shadow Wizard

@user1271772 oh, so you were in the Canadian army?

user1271772

Air Force

Shadow Wizard

00:03

Would love to see/hear you playing a trumpet, @user. :D

Andras Deak

the trumteppe

Shadow Wizard

@user1271772 pilot?

user1271772

@ShadowWizard I did pilot training, flew planes too, but it's not my job right now

I'm not a pilot, or in any military, anymore

Shadow Wizard

@user1271772 I see. So what you do these days?

Andras Deak

copy-editing

user1271772

00:14

Family, Fortran, Food,

Andras Deak

8 hours ago, by Andras Deak

I hope you use intent specifications and implicit none

Shadow Wizard

@user1271772 freelancing then? How many children?

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@user1271772 My main interests are CS and education, though I also have aviation and filmmaking as interests. I maintain a log of flights I take, which I hand to pilots to complete.

Shadow Wizard

@AndrasDeak nah that's @Peter

user1271772

@ShadowWizard 1 son with first girl, 2 daughters with second girl.

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog Keeping a log of flights is extremely important, for example to maintain your license you need to log a minimum number of hours per year

Shadow Wizard

00:22

@user1271772 Nice so it totals to same amount I have. ;)

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@user1271772 I'm aware of that.

But this is a different type of log.

user1271772

@ShadowWizard You have 3, but only 2 in the picture? 3rd one is baby?

Shadow Wizard

@user1271772 correct. In February she will be 2 y/o. She was with her mother outside the bus.

user1271772

I see, Catija's said her son is 2

Shadow Wizard

Yup. Ben.

user1271772

00:25

February which day? My brother was born on 17 February

same day as michael jordan and (I believe) paris hilton

Shadow Wizard

@user1271772 nice! Ella was born one day after him. ;)

user1271772

18 February!

Shadow Wizard

@user1271772 wow you know lots of trivia!

@user1271772 yup

I played as Jordan in MS-DOS game when I was a kid.

He was awesome. Along with Larry Bird, Magic Jonson etc.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@Shadow Out of curiosity, how common is the kibbutz system in Israel?

user1271772

Windows 3.1 ?

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

00:28

@ShadowWizard Heh, I've been playing Doom in an emulator for a little while

Shadow Wizard

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog it failed. But still exists. So I'd say not common anymore.

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog heh I played it naturally (without emulator) for years.

@user1271772 never had. Skipped right to Windows 98. (from DOS)

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@ShadowWizard Which sound card did you have?

Shadow Wizard

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog Sound Blaster, I think.

user1271772

@ShadowWizard What really ?? wowww

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@ShadowWizard Did you ever play Space Quest III?

Shadow Wizard

00:30

@user1271772 yup

Andras Deak

oh well

good night

user1271772

98 was a great system though.. Still was in use at one of the places I worked, until 2012

Shadow Wizard

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog Space Quest yes, few, not 100% sure III was one of them. Why?

@AndrasDeak night! 🌙

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

Heh, I went to the local Sears stores that are closing, and they still use old IBM machines at their checkout stands.

Shadow Wizard

@user1271772 yup. Same as XP. (in its greatness and persistence to survive long after discontinued)

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

00:32

@ShadowWizard You should replay one of those games in an emulator, with Roland MT-32 sound. You'll be astounded at what it can do!

@MonicaCellio I'm the author

Monica Cellio

Stupid clipboard. Let's try again.

8 hours ago, by Magisch

New blog post by monica: https://cellio.dreamwidth.org/2018/11/20/se-twitter-fail.html

^^^ That is me. I saw some uncertainty in here, so clarifying.

Shadow Wizard

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog whoa, nice!

Andras Deak

Thanks, Monica. And +1 of course

user1271772

Because we had this RF card-reader to let people in and out of the building, but the software to control whose cards are allowed in and out, was for Windows 98, so we had a Windows 98 machine until 2012 when we got a new card-reading system. Yes XP i still sometimes see at airports

Andras Deak

Have you seen Tim's new lukewarm blog post?

Shadow Wizard

00:33

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog might give it a try! :)

Monica Cellio

@AndrasDeak thanks. I also tweeted it, 'cause that's how you get things seen. :-)

Andras Deak

a.k.a. ~ "mistakes are occasionally made"

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@user1271772 @Shadow The store directory machines at my local Sears still used Windows 98

Andras Deak

@MonicaCellio hehe

user1271772

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog Which OS for those IBM machines?

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

00:34

@user1271772 It had a text-based UI, so MS-DOS

Monica Cellio

@AndrasDeak I have. It's good to see the revised theory of moderation. Most of the things I asked for in my original Medium post (and later on MSE) remain unaddressed, so I assume that's done at this point.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@user1271772 At Austin Airport half of the old "directory" screens have been converted into game machines which run popular mobile games

Shadow Wizard

@MonicaCellio know it is you. Cheers!

2:35 here. Time for bed. Cya!

Monica Cellio

Dreamwidth is where my real blog is. I used Medium on the first post because (a) SE folks hang out there and (b) image one-boxing.

user1271772

@MonicaCellio: I have not read it yet, but I opened it in a different tab

Monica Cellio

00:36

@ShadowWizard good time zone.

Andras Deak

sorry, I think I misunderstood

@MonicaCellio "that's done" as in "not going to happen", right?

Monica Cellio

@AndrasDeak right. I think SE is done responding to this situation and that they aren't going to address the other things.

3

Mods will have a new way to escalate things that need to be dealt with promptly, so if a mod sees something like those tweets in the future we have an escalation path. The absence of such a path didn't affect the twitterpocalypse, though; that was employees jumping in before site mods even knew something was happening.

Journeyman Geek

@MonicaCellio where it helps - I do think the Twitter thing is a raging dumpster fire they are taking too long to put out

Also I need to check what's out escalation path if an employee is a problem on meta... Which may help here

Monica Cellio

@JourneymanGeek yeah, there have been times when I as a mod have wanted that and been stuck.

Journeyman Geek

Well - least from the brief for the MSE mod role (job? :p) it seems essential

Monica Cellio

00:47

Yes. You need that.

Andras Deak

@MonicaCellio gotcha

Journeyman Geek

Annoyingly I am away from a PC :p

Andras Deak

That makes you an NPC

Journeyman Geek

So not much use till the weekend

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@Catija Out of curiosity, what is the company-internal policy regarding discussing the aforementioned incident? Is it even allowed?

Journeyman Geek

00:54

@MonicaCellio I also need to talk to tink and Chris about logistics and best practices, accessibility... Flaile

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog waaaait what incident?

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

The one referred to in the messages above.

Andras Deak

That's my cue. Night.

Journeyman Geek

The Twitter dumpster fire?

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek Yep

Catija

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog Top secret. I'm not allowed to talk about whether talking about it is allowed... I'm not even allowed to know that it's top secret or tell people about it. This chat message will self-destruct in 6-8.

Journeyman Geek

01:22

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog might be worth applying some common sense here

We got into this mess because someone did what they felt was the right thing to do without checking

To an extent a unified public voice is essential

It's not really about the incident anyway. It's about rebuilding trust and communication for the next time

@Catija kinda reminds me of an army joke...

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

I was the second to suggest that SE wasn't listening or responding before the incident. (@Shadow was the first).

and myself

morning...

Journeyman Geek

I could tell you but... I don't know what's happening either

and myself

looks like I have many thing to catch up since the lag attack last night...

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog there's a lot of internal discussion tho

and myself

01:27

and MORE BLUE NAMES

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@andmyself There's an important item waiting in the SEEN

Journeyman Geek

@andmyself hiiiiiii

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek It was pointed out in Monica's Medium post that a lot of internal discussion means nothing for the public.

and myself

that said... afk, preparing for going to the work, don't wanna late just because I chose to catch up first >_<

Rob

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog Perhaps you mean in the tavern? Otherwise that's surely not the case. People have had complaints (whether unfounded or not), for years.

Journeyman Geek

01:29

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog true but it's also an essential first level of communication

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@Rob Not necessarily.

Rob

Well, I'm not sure how long you've been around on the network, but people have had complaints since the inception of the site

Catija

I'm not quite sure why it matters who was first or second or 265th. Credit isn't what matters. Change happening that is good for the network is what matters. Be happy for everyone, don't worry about attributing the credit... or blame (for those who think we shouldn't be letting two dogs and a parrot moderate MSE).

3

user1271772

I think that @SonictheAnonymousHedgehog was one of the early ones

Catija

Also, clear signal to anyone interested in moderating MSE... we only consider users who are animals. Humans and gravatars need not apply. ;)

user194636

01:38

I think you mean Scenic The Eponymous Hodgepodge

user1271772

@PaulWhite What does that mean?

user194636

It means misspelling user names for comedic effect is a thing

Journeyman Geek

@Catija lol. Keeping quiet about it was hard

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

01:56

@Catija Am I an animal?

Journeyman Geek

@Catija or blame :p

and myself

now that I'm at the office... started catching up

Catija

02:14

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog Anthropomorphized animal... bit of a grey area.

user1271772

@PaulWhite I don't understand how you mis-spelled the name though, what I did was just click "reply" and it automatically spelled his name the way that it is entered into their SQL database

ArtOfCode

isn't irony sweet

user1271772

Actually when I click reply it says "7385381", which doesn't become the username until AFTER i click send, so how am I supposed to change it to "Scenic" ?

I mean, what number did you have to change 7385381 to in order to go from Sonic to Scenic, and how do I figure out that number?

Alex

@Catija I'd say 265th is pretty important.

user194636

@ArtOfCode lol

ArtOfCode

02:22

@Alex 256th is even more important :)

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Alex

@ArtOfCode Ah, yes. Lots of important stuff:

256 (number)

256 (two hundred [and] fifty-six) is the natural number following 255 and preceding 257. == In mathematics == 256 is a composite number, with the factorization 256 = 28, which makes it a power of two. 256 is 4 raised to the 4th power, so in tetration notation 256 is 24. 256 is a perfect square (162). 256 is the only 3-digit number that is zenzizenzizenzic. It is 2 to the 8th power or ( ( 2 2 ) 2 ) ...

ArtOfCode

@Alex Gotta love mathematical definitions. "2 comes after 1 and before 3"

Alex

Indeed.

user1271772

@PaulWhite, what is the algorithm for converting 7385381 from Sonic to Scenic? Are there even enough digits to change Sonic to whatever we want?

I can understand that 7385381 is enough digits to store all usernames on the network because there's fewer than ten million of us, but in order to mis-assign each of the 10 million users into completely different usernames chosen randomly from the dictionary, would require more digits I think.

@ArtOfCode do you know the algorithm he's using?

ArtOfCode

02:29

sure, hang on

user1271772

@ArtOfCode Thank you ArtOfCode

ArtOfCode

$\text{C} = 2^8 \sqrt{\frac{\lceil\text{MD5}(M)_2\rceil}{\lfloor\text{MD5}(T)_2\rfloor}}$

Journeyman Geek

Oo

user1271772

That's just latex

@ArtOfCode what you have given me is a Gaussian integration

oops no that's something else

Journeyman Geek

@user1271772 that's a message id not a user ID

user1271772

02:39

256 x square root of (ceiling of MD5(M)_binary / floor of MD5(T)_binary) ?

@ArtOfCode you've got to say what M and T are, and what the function MD5 is, then I can figure it out

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Rob

@user1271772 M and T depend on whether or not the characters in the username are restricted to the ASCII character set or not.

user1271772

Okay but what are they?

Rob

Half the fun is figuring out those numbers yourself

user1271772

For example, in the case where the username only has ASCII characters... like yours and mine, then what do the M and T mean?

@Rob The problem is I don't believe it's true, there's not enough numbers

7385439 has 7 digits, that can go up to 9999999, allso known as 10 million.

10 million is enough to store all possible usernames on the network, but not enough to store all possible mis-spellings of the usernames. For example that guy changed Sonic to Scenic, and I am tempted to conclude that he did it manually.

Rob

02:46

If you think he did it manually, what made you think there was an algorithm involved in the first place?

And, I'm sure we can create new numbers to suit our needs, we'll never run out

user1271772

Well you'll have to add digits, that's all

Rob

Well, it looks like you've almost cracked it. Just need to figure out M. Once you've got that, T is pretty trivial

user1271772

but the mapping has to be stored in the SQL... you need to decode @ArtOfCode's algorithm to figure out how to map, for example, Sonic, to Scenic. If I just changed the number myself I might change Sonic to something else.

@Rob What about the function MD5 ?

which takes M and T as input parameters?

Rob

Google will explain that better than I. I'm not a mathematician

ArtOfCode

The only bit you're missing, I think, is that the number isn't a store of the full misspelling - it only stores a diff between the correct spelling and the misspelling, which is why you don't need as many numbers. IIRC, there's some invisible ASCII character used to indicate whether it's a user or a diff.

user1271772

02:50

So it's a hash function devised by Rivest, the 'R' in RSA, how am I supposed to figure that out?

@ArtOfCode so the default is the correct spelling of course

:7385452 if I change the 3 to a 2 I get ....

what happened?

It doesn't work if you change it !!

ArtOfCode

You're probably missing the invisible ASCII control character

Can't recall which one it is off the top of my head

user1271772

Is there a Meta question about it?

My last two Meta questions got downvoted heavily so I'm not going to try that again

Journeyman Geek

@user1271772 it's always worth looking at why they were downvoted...

user1271772

@JourneymanGeek I did, I came here and asked you about it... that's how I first met you. The second time, I talked about it here earlier today. Basically, they don't like questions that try to improve the site or complain about something that the user thinks can be improved. However I guess I could ask about the invisible ASCII character, although I haven't ever seen a question like that on Meta before

@JourneymanGeek Also, many of the downvotes came because I came here and complained about it. The more I complained about it that day, the more downvotes I got throughout the day, as more and more people saw it.

@JourneymanGeek, I was first reluctant to make changes because I thought that it would be no use to a -20 question, but reading it now (several months after learning more about Meta) I made 2 changes which I think make it look less like a complaint and more like a meta question. Can you take a look ? meta.stackexchange.com/questions/312302/…

It's actually funny that a few weeks later, that same guy Robert Garisto asked the same question about whether or not mods should be permanent, and he got 39 upvotes for it... it was marked as a duplicate of my question with -20

Catija

03:09

@user1271772 So... if you really want people to know that you're talking about the CM, Robert Cartaino, you should probably pick a misspelling that's a little closer to his actual name. I only know that's who you mean because you've done it before...

user1271772

The spelling is that much different?

Oh it's an entirely new name

I remember Robert Garisto

The guy from twitter?

twitter.com/…

Catija

No. Robert doesn't use Twitter as far as I'm aware.

ArtOfCode

nor is he a theoretical physicist for that matter

Rob

His name was literally in a screenshot in the meta post you linked, so it's not about having a bad memory. It's not very polite to deliberately misspell people's names.

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user1271772

He has an account: 7299 followers, 14k tweets

Catija

03:11

39

Q: Help me opine about a new election system

I have been reflecting on some ideas around our current election system which were (originally) prompted by our pro tem appointment process. First, I think the Community Team needs to get out of the moderator-selection business. Currently, 45% of our moderators were appointed by someone from the ...

user1271772

@Rob I did not deliberately mis-spell his name. I remember Robert Garisto. I did not re-read the screenshot today.

Screenshot was taken months ago

Rob

Not really buying that.. considering you continue to misspell the names of the same people immediately after being corrected

user1271772

From now on I will call him Robert Cartaino

user168476

@user1271772 the thing is you constantly misspell names which is frustrating and makes it hard to know who you mean. So you gotta realize that it is frustrating to people and makes it hard to communicate with you

and myself

After finishing the catch-up... I'm confused with the following convo until now ._.

user168476

03:14

Intentional or not, we keep trying to help and you just keep making excuses

user1271772

@andmyself which one?

@Ash Other people did it too.

Journeyman Geek

@user1271772 no one expects perfection. That said we do expect you to make an effort. I corrected you about this the other day

I can't spell his name either. I look it up each time

user1271772

@JourneymanGeek can you take a look at my two recent edits here? chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/7385467#7385467

and myself

@JourneymanGeek Or just "Area 51 Overlord"...

user168476

@user1271772 that feels very "if someone jumped off a bridge" to me

user1271772

03:16

Does it make it look less like a complaint and more like a meta question?

Catija

I spelled it correctly when I typed it but rechecked before I actually hit send... and I work with him. :/

user168476

(like sure maybe they did, but your misspellings have been a problem multiple times lately and you seem very resistant to change and correction)

user1271772

@Catija You have to be very careful for that

Journeyman Geek

@user1271772 I guess no

user194636

Good to see the joke still running

user1271772

03:18

@JourneymanGeek That's a response to my response to Catija?

Journeyman Geek

The core issue is it gives no improvement over the current mod pro tem process

Catija

@user1271772 No. I just take getting people's names correct seriously.

user1271772

@JourneymanGeek Maybe it doesn't, but how is a new Meta user supposed to know that?

Journeyman Geek

We shouldn't suggest change for change's sake

and myself

Shog9 (without 0), Jeff Atwood (not Art, nor ArtOfCode), Glorfindel (aka. Gorfinkel), Robert Cartaino (Garisto doesn't seem to participate on SE)

user1271772

03:19

I never got ArtOfCode wrong

Journeyman Geek

You got Atwood wrong :p

user1271772

Because Art is a word

and myself

At ... is a word too :/

user1271772

Other people said Gorfinkel before,

@andmyself wow good point, I never thought of that

Rob

Making excuses as to why you made the mistakes doesn't really give me any confidence that you're going to try to spell them correctly in the future

user1271772

03:20

I wasn't thinking about these things when spelling their names, I sometimes get it right too

Journeyman Geek

So take a moment to think. It helps

user1271772

@Rob There's many times when I did mis-spell them correctly

spell* them correctly not mis-spell

@JourneymanGeek okay but what about my question, -20 votes?

Robert C, asked the same thing a little while later and got 39 upvotes for it

Journeyman Geek

@user1271772 it is meta. People disagree. It's not an improvement

user1271772

only 2 people upvoted the duplication vote

Journeyman Geek

Robert was asking for input on how we are doing things

Now your question would be more effective if it focused on a solution to a problem

and myself

03:23

Wording is important. Now, where's that Shog9's answer on how meta posts get upvoted (one of them is the "presentation")...

user194636

I had an upvote on meta once. It was a good day.

user194636

Probably a mis-click.

user1271772

You guys are so mean, I'm already on the ground and you keep kicking? Why 3 more downvotes in the last 3 minutes? I edited the question to remove any part that sounded like a complaint and I came here to ask feedback on whether or not those were good improvements, because @JourneymanGeek asked me to think about why I was getting downvotes.

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user1271772

So anyway, that's why I don't ask quesitons on meta anymore, you make a joke out of it and downvote for fun

and myself

03:29

"You guys"? I didn't even open your meta posts.

And it's amusing that you suspect us on this chat room who downvoted your posts

Journeyman Geek

@user1271772 it also helps both ways to be aware of how people see you.

I gave you some feedback too

user1271772

@andmyself The question is several months old. It has been stagnant for months. I have not got downvotes on it for months. We start talking about it here because Journeyman asked me to think about why I got downvoted, and suddenly there's 3 new downvotes. What is amusing about that?

@JourneymanGeek : I guess so, but what about the edits I made to the post today, do those not make the question look less like a complaint?

Journeyman Geek

See, you're missing the point

You are trying to propose a solution ... What?

user1271772

@JourneymanGeek What does this sentence mean?

and myself

@user1271772 The question got bumped after the edit, so it's on the main spotlight of active questions list. Everyone who's on MSE but not on this chat room could also read and downvote it...

suspecting/blaming us on the Tavern who downvoted is... not productive at all...

Journeyman Geek

03:40

@user1271772 literally what are you trying to fix by cycling pro tem mods?

user1271772

@andmyself : whether or not it's productive is debatable, and I don't want to waste time debating with you. However, I thought that after a certain number of downvotes it's not visible anymore? it's actually written in one of the comments to one of the answers. GLorfinder said "Ask a new question, no one's going to see this now. Ask a new question"

Glorfindel.

Takes long time, but typing it slowly you get all the letters right

Journeyman Geek

Other just @ Glorfindel then remove the @

user1271772

@JourneymanGeek Can we talk about it later? I've spend the whole day on this chat room except for that meeting I went to (which I was late to !)

ArtOfCode

Nov 17 at 0:23, by ArtOfCode

copy/paste is a wonderful tool

user1271772

But he's not been here since that day last week when he was showing us his code

Journeyman Geek

03:41

@ArtOfCode or that

and myself

Alright, I'll leave it to cool down myself first

user1271772

@andmyself you have to cool down?

and myself

Better than wasting time debating with me

user1271772

@andmyself thanks

@andmyself well I'm sorry for blaming this core group of people, I really thought it could only be the people here because GLorfindel told me that once it's downvoted so heavily, it doesn't show up anymore, so I thought only the people here would see it. But now I know that so I'm less likely to blame the people here in the future. So it was productive, although I don't like the way it was taught to me.

user194636

@user1271772 It doesn't show up on the home page, but it does on the Questions tab, e.g. when sorted by Active. Easy to check. Anyway: one of the risks of editing or posting a link in a chat room is that people who haven't seen your post before will see it, assess it, and vote accordingly.

Journeyman Geek

03:47

@user1271772 Blame never helps, nor does accusing people

user1271772

@andmyself, well actually, I just checked .... my post does NOT show up for me. Neither does anything with a lot of negative. Last post was Monica's

Journeyman Geek

I've always found it's productive to consider what I can do better and what the effect I have on others is.

user1271772

Ok I got 17 new downvotes can someone upvote it please?

Catija

Can someone check the questions - active page? Is it ... weird?

meta.stackexchange.com/questions?sort=active

user194636

@Catija Looks normal to me, but weird might be normal for meta so idk.

Journeyman Geek

03:50

Looks broken to me on mobile

Catija

@PaulWhite ... it has more than one result?

Journeyman Geek

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user194636

@JourneymanGeek Isn't everything broken on mobile?

Journeyman Geek

Hah

.... True...

user194636

03:51

@Catija Yes. Perfectly normal. Chrome on Windows.

Catija

Hmmm.

and myself

@PaulWhite let me fix it

user194636

@andmyself nice!

and myself

@JourneymanGeek I observed the pagesize is not highlighted on mobile, try overriding the preference by clicking it again?

user194636

03:55

!!/blame

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user194636

Ah I was hoping it would be Bob the Barista's fault (or whatever his name is)

Catija

Figured it out... it was something from earlier.

user194636

@Catija Rogue user script?

Catija

Nah, rogue user. :)

user194636

03:57

heh

SmokeDetector

04:29

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, potentially problematic ns configuration in answer (87): How do i install drivers for Lexmark Z1300 printer for ubuntu 13.10? by Tech HelpLine on askubuntu.com

Shree

05:06

^ 1/2 an hour +, still up. Need some red flag.

Journeyman Geek

@Shree Kaboomed

Shree

Thanks.

Journeyman Geek

Unrelatedly yay, I apparently got to trade in my boots

user1271772

05:32

@Mithrandir @Tinkerbell, sorry I accidnetally tagged @Tingerbell the first time: chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/7383931#7383931

Journeyman Geek

....

@user1271772 might help to learn to spell names. Once is an accident. Twice is a coincidence. 297 times....

user1271772

@JourneymanGeek It was an accident

Journeyman Geek

After a while it's carelessness

user1271772

This time it was a double accident, because I also linked it to the wrong chat message... but seriously I did type Tinkeringbell this time, I have no idea what happened

I had this message saved in a window for ages because I didn't want to send it at the time (there was other stuff going on)

Journeyman Geek

Protip - if a user was here recently you can tab complete.

user1271772

05:35

@Tinkeringbell, Sorry I tagged Tinkerbell the first time because that's how I read your name the first time several months ago: chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/7383931#7383931

Journeyman Geek

I do not expect to see any misspelled names here from you.

user1271772

ok I'll try but I'm not removing the 0 from shog09

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog I've given an explanation for the roll back. That said I actually was trying to clean up.comments so let me know... By flagging as no longer needed on that comment so we know to clean up. Thanks.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

Because editing an question to fit an answer for deduplication purposes is poor advise, especially for newer users. It might be possible people removed it from earlier drafts for a reason — Journeyman Geek ♦ 10 mins ago

Permanent-ified here

Journeyman Geek

Not sure why it needs to be

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

05:44

@JourneymanGeek So I can't later claim that you never explained it

Journeyman Geek

As a moderator I have to make dozens of decisions, not all of which I will have a chance, time or inclination to explain

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog if you did... Or made a fuss...

Idk. I get the idea the CMs want us to take it easy ;)

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek You could have also added in a 1-flag deletable keyword

Journeyman Geek

Ehhhh

That seems hacky

I did two things here at once

Mithrandir

@user1271772 Why?

Journeyman Geek

I gave you your answer, and set two sets of expections

The flag was handled (yaaaaay) and I wanted people to know it would be.

Also that you may not always get your answer

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

05:48

@Mithrandir For the same reason I call Shadow a hedgehog :) In other words, just a fun name.

Journeyman Geek

Is that three things?

Mithrandir

...I doubt that. I'd prefer to hear @user1271772's answer themselves.

Journeyman Geek

@user1271772 I think there's a bit of a imperitive tone you might have missed. This is something we really would like you to do, as part of this community. It shows respect for others, which is a very good thing

heather

how's everyone's day going?

Journeyman Geek

Alright. Tho I have no idea what I'm actually doing

and myself

06:03

Just had a lunch, and lazy to do my work~

Mithrandir

@heather hasn't started yet and already really weird

heather

@Mithrandir ... i think you'll need to expand on that =)

Mithrandir

I just woke up after having an extremely vivid apocalyptic dream that went into extreme detail about radiation and the splitting of atoms. I don't usually have dreams like that.

*shrugs* And no, I haven't really been doing any research on the subject or anything.

...anyway, now I need to get up. Back later.

heather

huh. i once had a really weird, vivid dream where i explained graph theory to my dad. i don't know very much about graph theory at all, but in the five minutes i remembered it when i woke up, i was like, "huh, that made sense...wait, what was my explanation again?"

@Mithrandir see you =)

Journeyman Geek

Erm ...

@heather sounds like my video game dreams

and myself

06:13

Ah, regarding dream, I had a dream this morning, reminding me to wake up and go to the office.

Journeyman Geek

Sounds nightmarish

and myself

sounds so, I didn't even realize it was a dream, I thought I already woke up...

lucid dream is the best dream

heather

06:28

i tend to have really vivid dreams, in full color and with most of my senses and everything, though i also tend to have some knowledge it's a dream, making them semi-controllable, which gets really interesting sometimes.

SmokeDetector

06:39

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Messaging number in answer, potentially bad keyword in answer (87): Best way to forward a collection of emails from Outlook by asda services on superuser.com

and myself

10

Q: Does RPG Stack Exchange want to opt out from Hot Network Questions?

What's this? The Hot Network Questions (HNQ) list is that list of random questions from random sites you'll see in the bottom of the sidebar on most site pages. It displays questions that have attracted significant attention measured by an abstract “hotness” score based on how rapidly the questio...

discussion featured hot-network-questions

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

cv-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/318665/…

Journeyman Geek

@andmyself actually that's the community acting in it's own best interests

and myself

yep, and looks like it's possible to request for opt-out(?)

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@andmyself Pick out a question with a badly-phrased title that meets the criteria for HNQ, take a screenshot about it, and tweet it. The request will be handled by SE in 6-8 minutes.

Journeyman Geek

06:45

And actually seems prudent

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog bleh.

That's now how it should work. That's not how any of it should work

An essential part of rewriting the social contract is to make sure that dosen't happen without community input

and myself

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog while I sometime enjoy "Twutter Driven Development joke", I really hate every time that particular case is brought back.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek What do you think about having a closehammer now?

and myself

unrelated, but 'lost soul' is a 1-click task then ;)

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

It's sad that we'll no longer see that misspelling of [cv-pls] here anymore

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