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rene

6:28 AM

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Journeyman Geek

Kaboom

rene

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Journeyman Geek

kaboom

rene

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I think I'm done.

Journeyman Geek

also, no need to ping

;p

If I'm here I'll happily deal with it

rene

6:37 AM

Okay

Somewhat

Kaboom

ɪʙᴜɢ

hello everyone, I want to see message 7349074, any help? thanks

It's from Evan and begins with a ping (or reply) to me, followed by If all of the...

Journeyman Geek

No

Its gone for a reason

ɪʙᴜɢ

@JourneymanGeek May I ask for what reason?

Journeyman Geek

@ɪʙᴜɢ Well, you may - it was pretty offensive and needed to go

ɪʙᴜɢ

6:50 AM

It's annoying to see a truncated message in the inbox...

Journeyman Geek

I'm sorry. Its for the best.

ɪʙᴜɢ

OK, Thanks anyway

oh yeah, I think there might be some kind of trolling on MSE ongoing

noticeably, there are identical FRs asked 3+ times in the same day

Journeyman Geek

hm?

ɪʙᴜɢ

like the one I can immediately recall: self-destructing comment

yesterday more, was busy coding so didn't pay attention

at least IMO such frequency on a not-so-hot feature would look suspicious

Journeyman Geek

7:05 AM

@ɪʙᴜɢ eh, I see what you mean

but looks like someone closed an old question and someone posted a new one

Magisch

It was basically just namecalling

frankly unnecessary & uninteresting

SmokeDetector

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Somewhat

kaboom

let me check network-wide meta...

Shadow Wizard

@Somewhat where?

@SmokeDetector k

Somewhat

uhh... looks like I self-destructed?

Shadow Wizard

7:13 AM

Evan drama is over for now?

Journeyman Geek

Yes

Shadow Wizard

Did he get himself suspended on SU?

ɪʙᴜɢ

Evan drama?

Somewhat

Evan nominate for US President

Journeyman Geek

naw

Shadow Wizard

7:13 AM

@Somewhat he is the kind who can do it. No kidding.

Somewhat

I'm not worried.

Shadow Wizard

If he'd have enough money, I'm sure he will give it a shot.

ɪʙᴜɢ

@Somewhat and scrapped the term limit from the constitution :)

also wrote "Evan Carroll thoughts" and printed them into books, forcing every US citizen to keep one in stock and sing it all out loud

Shadow Wizard

@ɪʙᴜɢ TL;DR: he posted a question(s) on SU, it got closed as off topic, he got pissed, got himself chat banned as result, then came here to rant. Didn't really look further.

Somewhat

@ShadowWizard just as usual...

Shadow Wizard

7:15 AM

lol

ɪʙᴜɢ

@ShadowWizard whoops, that's not the kind of person who can stand the minimal disagreement from others

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ɪʙᴜɢ

I'm really worried if Evan got elected as a president and banned Winnie the Pooh in US.

Somewhat

What if Winnie the Pooh got elected and banned Evan...

2

Shadow Wizard

@Somewhat more likely ;)

Think they got a cat as mayor, for real. o_O

Let me look...

Stubbs (cat)

Stubbs (April 12, 1997 – July 21, 2017) was a cat who was the mayor of Talkeetna, Alaska from July 1997 until his death.Stubbs was described as a tourist attraction, having been flooded with cards and letters, and drawing 30 to 40 tourists each day (most of whom were en route to other Alaska destinations, such as Denali) who hoped to meet "the mayor". Stubbs's position was honorary, as the town is only a historic district.Every afternoon, Stubbs went to a nearby restaurant and drank water laden with catnip out of a wineglass or margarita glass.At least one opinion writer for the Alaska Dispatch...

Yup

ɪʙᴜɢ

7:18 AM

@Somewhat nah, Tigger won't be too happy with that

Shadow Wizard

@ɪʙᴜɢ he is just the type who thinks they're always right and everyone else are wrong. Not that rare these days.

ɪʙᴜɢ

@ShadowWizard high egoism?

Shadow Wizard

No idea, probably...

Feeds

Disappointed that they caved to fan pressure and went with Ruth Bader Ginsburg over Elena Kagan.

ɪʙᴜɢ

Is there any record of high-profile users going on trolling (or less severely, being disruptive for an extended period)?

one single offensive post or a handful in an hour or two probably don't count (not an extended period)

there was a "clickbait" troll on MSE this June, though I know nothing more than the keyword being "clickbait"

Somewhat

7:26 AM

Given SE's policy of "let's forgive and forget", I don't think there's a public list of high-profile users going trolling/**rage-quit**

ɪʙᴜɢ

@Somewhat rage quitting of course is a personal decision and should be respected, but trolling... nope

@Somewhat also, I'm not asking for a public list, just "whether that exists"

Somewhat

err... disruptive rage quitting shouldn't be respected... like someone who got suspended network-wide after ragequitting...

ɪʙᴜɢ

wait, if they quit then why still suspend them network-wide?

Somewhat

dunno, ask the suspender :)

ɪʙᴜɢ

I've seen a few, and reading their answers wow who **** suspended this great contributor???

Somewhat

7:35 AM

lurk per-site meta/chat more maybe...

@JourneymanGeek hiya, I believe you're using Vivaldi browser? Have you seen and experienced this issue?

Journeyman Geek

no?

I do see the same failure tho

Somewhat

okay...

SmokeDetector

7:53 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Url in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, bad keyword in username, blacklisted website in body, +7 more (881): goldencondor.org/rhino-male-enhancement/ by Rhino Male Enhancement on buddhism.SE

Journeyman Geek

looks like a chrome problem according to rene

ɪʙᴜɢ

@SmokeDetector k

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ɪʙᴜɢ

@SmokeDetector k

Shadow Wizard

@ɪʙᴜɢ that wasn't a troll it was SomethingBadHappened and he has... become better.. since then.

ɪʙᴜɢ

7:58 AM

hard working spammers :)

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ɪʙᴜɢ

@ShadowWizard it was SBH? Undo said he was sure it wasn't them...

hmm, Charcoal HQ is lacking hands

@SmokeDetector k

Shadow Wizard

@ɪʙᴜɢ pretty sure it was. I'll check deeper later.

Tinkeringbell

Morning!

Shadow Wizard

Something bad happened this morning... I need to work... :(

Tinkeringbell

8:03 AM

Ssshhh. Don't jinx stuff. I'm still in control of my own keyboard for now!

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@Derpy I'm no longer a werehog

ɪʙᴜɢ

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog werewolf?

Shadow Wizard

Anonymous

ɪʙᴜɢ

L'anonimoi

Shadow Wizard

plz-delete primeNG meta.stackexchange.com/questions/317926/… @rene @JourneymanGeek @TravisJ

Somewhat

8:19 AM

I jinxed about jinx

user405243

Hi. A query: Can the information on the tour page of any SE site be modified by the mods or only SE devs can do that?

user405243

By "information" I mean site description

user405243

For example:

user405243

> Stack Overflow is a question and answer site for professional and enthusiast programmers. It's built and run by you as part of the Stack Exchange network of Q&A sites. With your help, we're working together to build a library of detailed answers to every question about programming.

Journeyman Geek

errrr

gimme the link and I can check

(on SU, but should be the same)

user405243

8:25 AM

@JourneymanGeek Are you talking to me?

Journeyman Geek

yup

But chances are we can

user405243

@JourneymanGeek superuser.com/tour

Journeyman Geek

Yes

we have an edit link

Not something we'd typically mess with though

user405243

Nice. Thanks!

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek think only for the sample questions

No?

Journeyman Geek

8:26 AM

naw

The site description looks editable

user405243

Well, I asked because the Quantum Computing SE has like 40% of quantum information theory questions (which are considered to be on-topic). Might as well add it into the description to avoid future controversies

Journeyman Geek

ehhhhh

user405243

Since the mods can edit, I guess I can ask it on meta now

Journeyman Geek

Not something we would normally edit. And in any case, something worth bringing up on meta

Well! If its important we can mug a CM

Shadow Wizard

mug?! calling police

:D

Journeyman Geek

8:32 AM

@ShadowWizard apparently that's the accepted term for it ;)

Naturally we save it for, well urgent or important things.

Somewhat

certainly editable, like the one on Law.SE (adding disclaimer)

@Blue shouldn't it goes to the "ask about" section instead of "site description"?

user405243

@Somewhat Both maybe

Derpy

@Feeds Forget those, we need Laharl.

Shadow Wizard

> attack and rob (someone) in a public place.

Journeyman Geek

;p

Shadow Wizard

8:46 AM

didn't you mean, perhaps.... "nudge"? ;)

Journeyman Geek

naw, mug

Derpy

8:58 AM

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog yes, yes, your pink fiancee already told me that.

@ShadowWizard ^

Derpy

9:31 AM

@Mithrandir every time I see your avatar, I mistake it for Lapis.

Shadow Wizard

@Derpy this is better:

Derpy

@ShadowWizard that's another command, you were talking about "mug"

Tinkeringbell

Mug! With hot chocolate please :)

Mithrandir

@Derpy Lapis?

@Blue The tour is mod-editable; anywhere else, such as the site dropdown, needs staff.

Derpy

.....

Shadow Wizard

9:42 AM

...

Derpy

first time the image upload fails. Weird

Shadow Wizard

Derpy

@Mithrandir ^ this

Shadow Wizard

@Derpy direct upload in chat?

@Derpy sure, but if @Journeyman could devour CM's, it would have been even more funny. :D

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard not very fast no

Mithrandir

9:47 AM

@ShadowWizard Does look fairly similar, then :D

Shadow Wizard

@Mithrandir you can ask avazula if that's indeed the "model" on which your avatar is based. :)

Mithrandir

It's not... that I know :P

Derpy

@ShadowWizard can't be. Look at the nose. Mith avatar has a "Smurf" nose. Lapis nose is pointy.

Conclusion: Mith is just a smurf

Mithrandir

...o_o

Anyway, if that was the basis, I think the clothes would have been different...:

user405243

10:09 AM

@Mithrandir Even the ask about... and don't ask about... sections? One of the mods told me otherwise

Somewhat

@Blue yes

user405243

@Somewhat Thanks!

Derpy

Totally not a Queen's song

Somewhat

10:50 AM

Freshly hot drama on Meta DevOps

apparently one of the user's post got red-flagged(?) and thus cannot participate on meta anymore...

Tinkeringbell

Duuude. Posts should be about behaviour, not people. Same goes posts about moderator behaviour. I don't have the rep, or I'd be editing that.

Shadow Wizard

Each site and its own drama.

@Somewhat red flag got nothing to do with meta, the only way is suspending the user, or if user got only 101 rep, approved red flag cause -100 thus the user doesn't have the required 5 rep anymore.

Somewhat

@ShadowWizard his rep on meta is 68 (on my currently opened tab), but on main site is 1 (but no suspension banner)

so..........

oh wait, the user can still comment on their own post!

Shadow Wizard

@Somewhat main/meta rep isn't synchronized instantly, think it's cached for one hour or so.

@Somewhat yup, if not suspended.

Somewhat

11:07 AM

and another drama, this time for "tab key" on MSO...

Shadow Wizard

@Somewhat flagged the rude comment towards @JonSkeet, it got nuked.

plz-flag unkind/rude/abusive meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/376324/…

SmokeDetector

11:37 AM

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Somewhat

11:53 AM

Out of ~~drama~~ meta post to read ;_;

Hmm... The mobile chat doesn't show any indicator of a message has been edited...

Shadow Wizard

12:09 PM

5

Q: Show indication that a message was edited in mobile view

When a chat message has been edited at least once, we see indication about it in the ordinary view: However, on mobile view, there's no such thing: (link to message) I don't think that small pencil icon would clutter the crowded mobile view, can it please be added?

Shadow Wizard

12:20 PM

plz-delete WorldComposer meta.stackexchange.com/questions/317930/… @rene @JourneymanGeek @Glorfindel

Journeyman Geek

Kaboom

also, no need to ping ;p

If I'm here, I'll nuke it

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek you appeared to be away :)

Tinkeringbell

There's so many things being nuked here, we might all get symptoms of radiation poisoning soon?

Journeyman Geek

then I wouldn't be able to nuke it

@Tinkeringbell glowing parrot?

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek Glowing red though, not green!

Journeyman Geek

12:24 PM

or blue.

Chernikov radiation!

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek well, ping is a way to drag back people who are away. :D

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard true but I am currently working on a super fun project that's kicking my ass sooooo

Tinkeringbell

No pinging Geek when he's distracted!

Somewhat

i'll nuke the nuke then...

Shadow Wizard

Journeyman Geek

12:26 PM

I won't get mad lol

Shadow Wizard

@Somewhat super nuke!

Journeyman Geek

but if I go no need to ping, I probably had a few windows and a terminal open ;p

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizard Oh, that one is pretty! Just needs a bit of glitter

Somewhat

When Music Fans got into HNQ...

3

Q: Are twinkle twinkle little star and the itsy bitsy spider the same song?

I noticed when my baby sisters are listening to a certain melody, I start singing The Itsy Bitsy Spider or Twinkle Twinkle Little Star. This makes me wonder if they are the same melody with different lyrics. Can someone confirm

lyrics

Journeyman Geek

Oo

Shadow Wizard

12:45 PM

lol

Somewhat

I see one Q&A on Anime.SE that has a potential to become HNQ, but it's... uncouth.

Currently on 0.21, if I upvote the Q&A, it will surely enter HNQ...

EKons

the most powerful form of self-resistance...

Tinkeringbell

This is the only itsy bitsy spider I know!

Shadow Wizard

1:06 PM

@Somewhat Aizawa?

Somewhat

@ShadowWizard yeah... and the answer is kind of a spoiler that will make the audience... disappointed :p

Shadow Wizard

@Somewhat but what's uncouth about it? The mere mention of the word "girl" in the post?

Magisch

anime in general is bound to elicit strong emotional responses from people

rene

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Shadow Wizard

@Magisch I really can't see how/why. It's comics. It's usually funny, and kids watching/reading it. No?

Derpy

1:11 PM

Catija

@ShadowWizard How much anime have you watched?

Shadow Wizard

@Catija not much but I see it mentioned and sometimes Google for some names.

Magisch

a lot of anime is widely known for ... risque and stereotypical portrayal and tropes of young women

Somewhat

Perhaps this might help...

10

Q: How to explain to my 10 year old niece that Puella Magi Madoka Magica is not a kids show?

My 10 year old niece loves watching cartoons, and she has a Netflix kids account for her with all parental controls. But while I was browsing my account, she took notice of the Madoka Magica cover and became quite curious and interested. Logically for her (and many people who see it for the firs...

madoka-magica

Derpy

yep. You totally should judge anime based on the art style and character design, @ShadowWizard

Catija

1:16 PM

@ShadowWizard Yeah, anime has,,, a lot of stereotypical voyeuristic proclivities... up the skirt shots, boob obsession... if not outright pornographic (in extreme cases)... it's a lot more than a cartoon.

Shadow Wizard

So anime as whole is uncouth, and anti women? Guess it might be, just never thought about it this way.

Catija

Go hang out in Maid Cafe chat for a while...

3

Derpy

oh, yep, here goes another that thinks that anime == love ru.

Somewhat

@Catija ~~chat~~ image board...

Catija

As a whole? no... much of it is harmless.

Typing with one hand is slow, :(

Somewhat

1:18 PM

@Derpy even the title says it all... To LoveRu = Toraburu = Trouble

Shadow Wizard

@Catija what happened to your other hand?

Catija

And apparently causes me to replace periods with commas.

Magisch

@Derpy Pokemon is an anime, so certainly not all, but a substantial amount

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizard Part of it may be, I'm not convinced it entirely is? I loved watching Hamtaro as a kid... and you can't get an upskirt shot for hamsters!

Catija

Holding a two-week-old.

Shadow Wizard

1:19 PM

@Catija ohhh lol

Somewhat

don't type, swipe! ← not endorsed by Swype

Magisch

Say Hi to Gus from us in chat^^

Catija

:D

Derpy

@Somewhat tried to copy Lum, only copied the fanservice and forgot what made Urusea Yatsura actually good.

@Somewhat buy them an usb stick. This one.

Somewhat

LOL... and I'm sad at the same time :(

Tinkeringbell

1:22 PM

That one looks handmade?

Mithrandir

Oops, she's been decapitated.

Derpy

@Somewhat oh, I was trying to go for something "light" there. I think one could find much worse memory if you look enough

Shadow Wizard

@Tinkeringbell ebay.com/itm/…

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizard That one isn't, but the one Derpy sent looks like it's just cardboard with a picture stuck on it, glued onto a USB stick. Look at the edged near the head...

So I was wondering if you could actually buy that, or whether Derpy is more creative than I know ;)

Derpy

This one image is far worse. Click at your own risk.

Magisch

1:26 PM

most of my friends have very strong opinions about anime

Derpy

@Tinkeringbell google search . Chose the safest image I could find that would still remember THAT to anyone who saw Puella Magi.

And at the same time wouldn't say much to anyone else. That is, not counting @Mithrandir answer.

Somewhat

@Derpy searching for references to this...

Derpy

@Somewhat you really hate yourself, do you?

Shadow Wizard

@Tinkeringbell yeah looks like some blogger made it.

Somewhat

umm, glad I didn't read/watch that?

Derpy

1:31 PM

let me see if I can find that picture again....

Shadow Wizard

@Somewhat this?

Somewhat

now watching their ~~REDACTED~~ on YouTube...

@ShadowWizard yeah, apparently that

oh yeah, forgot about Higurashi/When They Cry as well...

(I guess Tavern is temporarily hijacked into Maid Cafe!?)

Derpy

@Somewhat this should explain.

doppelgreener

@Derpy oh man that is brutal

Something Bad Happened

The Maid Cafe: your number one source for breasts drawn by horny kids who have clearly never seen the real thing.

Shadow Wizard

1:37 PM

Oh, now I have a reason to go there! :P

Why nobody said so before?

Somewhat

@Derpy Well, now I'm hating myself because I only look at Nanachi 😶

Derpy

@doppelgreener I think the Mitty/Nana is far worse.

But yep, I get your point.

And that was actually my point too in a way.

Something Bad Happened

@ShadowWizard the real "hot" network posts 😖

Somewhat

@ShadowWizard Taverners say about "maid cafe"

Derpy

Judge by the art style, be burned by the unexpected decostructions....

@ShadowWizard maybe you could start fixing your idea of anime by watching Tokyo Magnitudo 8....

Shadow Wizard

1:42 PM

@SomethingBadHappened hehe, whole new meaning for Hotness. Start feature request asking to replace HNQ sidebar with random messages from that chat room.... ;-)

Derpy

...or Grave of the Fireflies....

Somewhat

Gakkougurashi (School Live), no?

Shadow Wizard

@Derpy what's so special about that anime series?

Derpy

oh, just watch it till the end...

Shadow Wizard

Surely it's sad, if you say it like this.

@Derpy also, isn't MLP kind of anime too?

Journeyman Geek

1:45 PM

@Catija hi small human held by bigger human!

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek and both Normal Humans! :D

Catija

He's trying to decide if he wants to sleep or eat right now.

I'm voting for sleep.

Magisch

I'm actually really surprised the maid cafe is allowed to remain named like that and open

Derpy

@ShadowWizard "anime" is usually just used for Japanese animation since it is actually just "engrish" for "animated"

Magisch

with the networks recent push for inclusivity and whatnot

Shadow Wizard

1:46 PM

@Catija eat means from you directly or a bottle?

Somewhat

CM's vote is binding, so...

EKons

hah

Catija

@ShadowWizard We're cheap. :P He's nursing.

Shadow Wizard

@Derpy oh

@Catija but since time is money, it's not cheap... ;)

(takes much longer, no?)

Somewhat

@Magisch because no one have made it an issue on meta ~~or tweet~~?

Catija

1:48 PM

Well, I have some extra time on my hands right now.

Shadow Wizard

@Somewhat infants are excluded, even the Great Shog has no powerz over them! :P

@Somewhat yet

Magisch

never been in there tbh, I use this profile at work so

EKons

flags for insulting the Great Shog

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizard Ah, so that's where the age-limits come from :P

Catija

And I like building the connection. We'll transition him to bottles starting in four-six weeks so that he's ready when he goes to school with Ben in January.

I don't think anyone has power over infants... they're the boss of everyone.

Shadow Wizard

1:51 PM

@Catija nice! So can we expect to see you back in full power somewhere in January? :)

Magisch

Infants are a bit like cats

Somewhat

The Boss Baby

Magisch

they don't have superiors, only servants

Catija

Full, yeah. I'll be going half-time in a few weeks. I'm getting a bit stir-crazy as it is.

Magisch

Sounds like a unique circumstance, aching to get back to work rather then get more PTO

as much as I'm content with my job currently, if they offered me a couple months PTO I'd use every last day ^^

Tinkeringbell

1:53 PM

Yeah but then you could still e.g. chat with people on SE.

And if you're here, you can just handle a flag or two as well

(at least, that's how my vacations usually go :P)

Catija

I tweeted about it last week... It's a tough balance...

Magisch

can't relate, never been a mod

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch Still you're here a lot ;)

Somewhat

can't relate, never been a parent

Catija

This is the thread: twitter.com/iCatija/status/1058388924664430592

Tinkeringbell

1:55 PM

@Catija Wait! I read that but didn't like it? Fixed now ;)

Magisch

@Tinkeringbell but only in the small blimps between working

Catija

It's really difficult for me to balance being here, which is where I do a lot of my social interactions with being "at work".

Magisch

when something's loading or compiling or running through svn

as we speak there's a sysbuild running that I need to wait out

Tinkeringbell

I've got a thread running, I need to wait for errors ;)

Catija

Oh, so you're here instead of having rolling chair sword battles? ;)

Magisch

1:57 PM

more or less

Tinkeringbell

At least today I finally got rid of my 'pair programmer'

EKons

'Are you stealing those LCDs?' 'Yeah, but I'm doing it while my code compiles.'

Tinkeringbell

For most of the time

Magisch

@Catija also because programmer productivity is asynchronous and sometimes goofing a little will distract me from what's currently driving me mad

Catija

I don't think that's just programmer productivity... Generally, taking breaks lets our minds refocus. :)

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