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Shadow Wizard

3:54 AM

@Catija I saw them fine (still do) on the main site, refreshed chat too now, all appears to be fine. :)

Somewhat Memorable Name

Schrodinger's imgur: when the cache-breaker comes, you have 50% chance of seeing broken images

Catija

They're still broken for me... :(

Can I clear just the imgur cache?

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Catija I think they just haven't propagated to all of the CDN's servers yet

Nog Shine

Imgur is working normally for me. It has been the same for 2 hours.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

I think just the U.S.-based servers haven't propagated yet.

Journeyman Geek

4:45 AM

hi

busy day T T

Somewhat Memorable Name

hi

Journeyman Geek

5:26 AM

sigh I am almost going to regret this...

Magisch

@JourneymanGeek o_O?

Journeyman Geek

0

A: What is the meaning of picture in "Code of Conduct"?

If you need to know who to include, you're missing the point.

Lacks dogs :( ;p

Magisch

6:01 AM

@JourneymanGeek plants represent though

→ 13 messages moved to Chimney

Journeyman Geek

sneaky plant. I didn't notice it.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

chaos-emerald-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/313814/… (@Shadow @rene)

Magisch

6:33 AM

> Welcome to the Tech Solidarity Slack! The purpose of this Slack is to support tech folks in taking effective action to protect democracy, oppose the Trump administration, and support the people who are most vulnerable to it.

Seems like a weird thing to write into a code of conduct

Journeyman Geek

well, if its what it says it is, it makes sense.

Magisch

@JourneymanGeek wouldn't that belong into a mission statement rather then into a CoC?

Journeyman Geek

Sometimes there's no difference

And sometimes you don't need either ;)

Magisch

I'm having some gripes with this though:

> For most first-time misconduct, moderators will remove offending content and send a warning. Most issues are resolved here.

Journeyman Geek

Well, what's wrong with that?

Magisch

6:39 AM

Unless a change of policy enforcement is wanted, that is a false statement. Depending on the severity, the vast majority of people will never see a warning

Journeyman Geek

ah, true

a may works better than a will?

Magisch

Unless you make it a serious habit, snarky comments ain't gonna earn you a mod message

yea

Journeyman Geek

or even a may choose to or may resort to

Magisch

Writing such a thing is actually pretty dangerous too. It creates the expectation that "If I'm not warned, I'm fine"

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@SomethingBadHappened Just a completely curious question: Is this account yours?

Mithrandir

6:49 AM

@Magisch Or, now, a few snarky comments might earn you a message, if a mod happens to notice.

Magisch

@Mithrandir Yeah but the "If I haven't got a message, I'm doing just fine" is blatantly false right now

And this wording encourages this thinking in new users

I posted on MSE about it: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/313818/…

Journeyman Geek

I've not much more to add past an upvote ;)

Magisch

I wouldn't actually have a problem with getting a warning if a comment of yours is in violation of the CoC, but I don't foresee that happening (workload for the mods) and am worried of the false learning effect that may have to well meaning new users

Journeyman Geek

7:04 AM

yup

that little bit of wiggle room would be useful

though sadly our only real options are still to either suspend or do nothing, rather than stopping a user with a series of bad comments from... commenting

Magisch

Mod messages do carry weight though

I got one once and it shook me up pretty good

Mithrandir

@JourneymanGeek This miiiiiight be something I mentioned in the mod survey

Journeyman Geek

True, but that's pretty much relying on moral suasion and good intentions

Magisch

@JourneymanGeek People with bad intentions can eat the suspension imo

Journeyman Geek

@Mithrandir sadly I didn't even think about it.

@Magisch there's this thin line of folks with good intentions and terrible social skills.

Magisch

7:09 AM

What is this? meta.stackexchange.com/questions/313819/…

Troll or someone with interesting variations on english ranting?

Journeyman Geek

RA flag

Its ... a really bad fake asian-english accent

Magisch

@JourneymanGeek ok, flagged

Journeyman Geek

sigh people sometimes

Magisch

meh

Journeyman Geek

actually I kinda noticed a CM here (HI!) and am almost tempted to ping her about it

Magisch

7:14 AM

I have a feeling it's night time at her place so maybe not

(also hi btw)

Mithrandir

...why does that user have two linked Math.SE accounts

rene

waffles that ^

Magisch

@rene I took a screenshot of that just now because I also found it interesting

Apparently one of them is deleted

Somewhat Memorable Name

I like waffles.

Oh, the network profile was nuked? Or linked to wrong account? And the one on Math.SE got suspended

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

20

Q: Why does Joe Friend (and a few others) have two Stack Overflow accounts, each tied to the same Stack Exchange profile?

(Please read carefully. This isn't about sock puppets.) I just noticed that our friendly Joe Friend has two Stack Overflow accounts, only one of which has moderator privileges. He seems to have another account, which is listed as having the same network account as the former account, and the sam...

Somewhat Memorable Name

7:25 AM

At least it doesn't use "Nooomal Hueeeman", or I'll rage and find his home address...

Journeyman Geek

.... I didn't even consider that

user334271

8:06 AM

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog Have I hurt anyone with my messages? I do not have any specific "good" or "bad" theory of mind for any person or any community, but I think many of the persons in SE showing a rude behaviour actually put step on some misunderstanding, and it take a few more conversation to clear it. However there are some users (I avoid any specific example) continue to behave rude, critical and quarrelsome, but ther good things come out with time.

user334271

There are certain situations where a negative commentator/ harsh language user have a lack in expertise or interest in a specific sub-field in which the question belong.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@AlwaysConfused I haven't read your messages so I can't answer your first question. Anyway, with regards to the message you mentioned in your first messages I responded to: imagine that you were just learning English and didn't have much experience with it. How would you feel if someone shouted in your face, "Are you speaking English?"?

It's happened to me so many times that people misunderstand what I'm saying because they infer the wrong thing from me, rather than taking what I say literally.

user334271

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog How can I understand you are shouting? it is typed letters.

Magisch

welcoming to everyone is impossible btw

presence of certain people will act as a deterrent to others, making the community unwelcoming for them

user334271

@JourneymanGeek I see! that's only 1 apparent reason; but there could be 1000 more reason, maybe the speaker is very bad in English (in that example), so may be the speaker actually tried to confess but mistakenly used wrong wording?

user334271

8:16 AM

As well are my messages harsh? Or my wordings are perfectly ok?

Journeyman Geek

Well, you can focus on that specific wrong wording and help them make it better.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@AlwaysConfused In real life, you can use cues like a person's tone and body language to infer their intent. That was a skill that took me many years to learn and get a grasp on. However, in online communication, you can't use such cues. What often tends to happen is that people here assume the worst - that they're shouting or trolling - because of the lack of those cues.

user334271

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog I am blind about almost all body languages except a cry and a laughter. Seriously.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@AlwaysConfused The proper thing would be to say, "I can't understand what you mean by '[quote]'. Can you please clarify?"

@AlwaysConfused That was me at eight years old.

user334271

Hmm actually we need a lot of practice for correct wording

user334271

8:18 AM

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog That is me on 27 years too. I am 27 years old

Tinkeringbell

@AlwaysConfused Basic rule? It's okay to point out what needs improving/is off-topic/you don't understand. Always follow it up with an explanation of why it needs improving and how it should be done. :)

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Anyway, I suggest talking to @Tinkeringbell, who hangs out here from time to time and moderates the Interpersonal Skills site. I've asked her for help on how to word things and how things come across to people, and she's very helpful in explaining.

user334271

@Tinkeringbell Yes, it could be helpful

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Tinkeringbell (I'm on the mobile site which doesn't autoscroll, so I didn't see you chime in)

Tinkeringbell

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog It's okay :) I'm on mobile too.

user334271

8:21 AM

I prefer desktop. And I need a big clicky keyboard.

Somewhat Memorable Name

CoC: Cease on Conflict

user334271

HaHa

Tinkeringbell

I still have to get used to that abbreviation. I grew up with CoC being a very different thing ;)

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Tinkeringbell Out of curiosity, what was that?

user334271

Whenever any of my sayings appear rude, alert me; I will try to rectify.

Journeyman Geek

8:25 AM

@Tinkeringbell ._.

Clan of the Cats?

Mithrandir

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog Probably this.

Tinkeringbell

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog The CoC (technically COC) is a big organisation here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COC_Nederland

Journeyman Geek

(great webcomic... kinda petered out cause the artist fell sick :( )

ahh

Somewhat Memorable Name

Better than Clash of Clans...

user334271

Shuttlecock?

user334271

8:39 AM

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog Previously I was punished/objectioned in charge of "shouting", in Wikipedia and in Stackexchange; later I came to know I used a lot of bolds, italique, underlined, foreground and background colours, font-styles, altering font sizes etc; all of which were perceived as shouting. But I did that because in real life I get confused to read a series of bland uniform texts, and I need to highlight various parts of speeches, causal relationships etc. that instinctively led me overuse highlighs

user334271

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog Actually I got a correct diagnosis at my 23 yrs age; when I came to know I do not know there is any role of eye contact in normal conversation. BEFORE THAT that I was misdiagnosed as lack-of-confidence, over-ambition, study-anxiety and obsessive-compulsive disorder, and my complaints about face-recognition difficulty had been simply ignored.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

9:28 AM

@AlwaysConfused You were a victim of false positives. I was a victim of false negatives: I was never diagnosed at all. Perhaps it's because I was sufficiently different from my cousin in the UK who is full-blown autistic.

Journeyman Geek

imgur being borked is getting on my nerves :(

Mithrandir

probably getting on Nick's worse :P

Magisch

@JourneymanGeek But how will you provide us with mandatory daily ash pictures now?

Journeyman Geek

IKR?

Optimus Prime

loading pictures from imgur isn't working. Err too many redirects

Journeyman Geek

9:37 AM

I actually think that's a little big for him

(did that work?)

Mithrandir

@OptimusPrime redirecting you to http:// and then to https:// and then http:// and then https:// and then http:// and then https://...

Optimus Prime

yeah

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek I can see it on mobile now. This morning on PC pictures were borked.

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell apparently they did something stupid and caching

Optimus Prime

they put a 301 permanent redirect from http to https to http

user334271

9:52 AM

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog Maybe. But autism spectrum explains each of my problems. The complaints teachers did on me, the torcheringly bullying classmates who hated me, the troubles I faced day to day life, all explained.

Mark Amery

10:32 AM

Looks like I've got a new most-downvoted post: https://meta.stackoverflow.com/q/372201/1709587

(And another reminder of the community's divergent politeness standards.)

Tinkeringbell

11:24 AM

@MarkAmery I think you'll never get everyone to have one standard of politeness ;) Anyway, I'm curious... why ask on SO meta and not just try? Was the flag declined?

Mithrandir

You totally missed an opportunity, @TimPost ;)

Tinkeringbell

@Mithrandir Have you already tried like... everything? :P

Mithrandir

yes

well, not to the extent that M Oehm could, probably

Magisch

morse code an imgur link to ash pictures

extra reward

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch Next random swag challenge: Have a pet cuter than Ash :P

Mithrandir

11:29 AM

It's got 18 characters or something there, they could've encoded STACKCODEOFCONDUCT or something.

(Or FGNPXPBQRBSPBAQHPG, as ROT13)

Tinkeringbell

@Mithrandir That's like too easy?

Okay, a ROT13 added on top of it would make it more interesting, but still very easy ;)

Magisch

@Tinkeringbell nobody wins that

Mark Amery

11:45 AM

@Tinkeringbell I did flag it - but I wasn't sure what the best choice was in the circumstance where both the old "no longer needed" and new "unkind" reasons apply, hence the question about which to pick

What I wasn't expecting was for the community to vehemently reject the entire premise of the question due to not thinking that the "unkind" flag was applicable to the comment in question in the first place!

Tinkeringbell

@MarkAmery Ah... So, instead of something between r/a and nln, we now need something between unkind and nln ;)

Mark Amery

@Tinkeringbell somehow I'm not persuaded that that would make the situation better :)

Tinkeringbell

@MarkAmery I know ;) I was just trying to point out that there'll always be these moments where you won't know which flag to pick

Mark Amery

@Tinkeringbell I suppose I'm not sure I grasp what the new flag is for. Unless we use it for comments that are actually valuable and constructive contributions while simultaneously being possible to construe "unfriendly" (which I refuse to do, even if it turns out the staff would like us to), it's just a subset of NLN.

Tinkeringbell

@MarkAmery Hmmm. Maybe. I think it's very helpful on some sites... sometimes you get stuff that isn't directly harassment, bigotry or abuse, but is very unfriendly...

For example, about every other comment on IPS telling someone they're doing life entirely wrong...

Mark Amery

11:56 AM

@Tinkeringbell Hmm, I suppose I am thinking in SO-specific terms. I guess some other sites (like IPS, and Workplace) have norms against using comments to criticise an answer (with the idea being that you should use an answer of your own to articulate a different viewpoint), whereas on Stack Overflow using comments to criticise posts is mostly considered to be a good thing.

Shadow Wizard

umm... What's nln?

Mark Amery

no logner needed

Shadow Wizard

Oh

Tinkeringbell

@MarkAmery True. They're even okay on IPS as well, given that you're actually asking the answerer to explain something, or are suggesting something they can do/incorporate to improve their post. Yet we get soo many '-1 this will never work'...

Shadow Wizard

Maybe each site should get its own set of comment flag reasons?

Tinkeringbell

11:58 AM

(those go in no longer needed though...)

Mark Amery

@Tinkeringbell I have left a handful of those in my time before the difference in commenting norms became clear to me. I think I probably have about a 75% comment deletion rate across non-SO sites on the network.

Tinkeringbell

@MarkAmery My comments do get deleted too, mostly because they either served their purpose or I was considered to be no longer funny ;)

rene

Yes, that sinking feeling when you realize you're no longer funny ... that makes so sad ....

user310756

12:14 PM

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog I'm going to catch you dang nabbit. [re meta rep - you've started something :D]

user310756

@rene I had that when I became a mother and my children could talk to me.

Something Bad Happened

12:28 PM

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog No

rene

@YvetteColomb yes, top tip from rene: don't learn your kids how to speak. You'll regret it, sooner or later.

user310756

@rene easier said when your children are of a species that doesn't usually speak.

rene

true, true.

Martin James

@YvetteColomb Well, windblown wildflowers and grasses can hiss.

user310756

well yes indeed, we all agree rene does hiss :D

rene

12:37 PM

Please be Code of Conduct ...

user310756

of course ~~LoL~~ CoC

Somewhat Memorable Name

I'm conducting my code now...

user310756

is that code for taking your code out for a walk?

Somewhat Memorable Name

It's sphagetti

user310756

ah Italian code.

user310756

12:40 PM

spaghetti code - the only dish a programmer doesn't enjoy

Berry M.

Hey so here's a bit of a worry of mine: If I comment on someone's answer critiquing them, some people _could_ regard it as "Unfriendly or unkind", right?

Consider my comment on the last answer here, for example:
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/10581460/fabric-js-changes-my-canvas-size-to-300x150-after-initialization/46593223#46593223

I guess it isn't very friendly per-sé, but I personally wouldn't call it unfriendly either. Are comments like that gonna be an issue now?

Tbh I should probably just post that as a question on Meta..

user310756

@BerryM. for the love of sanity, please no.

user310756

It's not the best comment.

Magisch

@BerryM. Please dont

user310756

> Why would you call this "A real answer to this question"? This answer is heavily opinionated, filled to the brim with bad practices and uses jQuery while the question asked did not involve jQuery whatsoever.

Magisch

12:52 PM

The last thing we need is extra meta wars over definitions of unwelcoming

user310756

> It sets the size to the full viewport through CSS rather than the correct way, even through the OP did not specify needing the canvas to be the full size anywhere in his question. It also applies global wildcard styles not related to the canvas at all. In short, disregard this "real" answer

Berry M.

Fair enough

user310756

@Magisch yes the two subjects. "why was my comment deleted" / "why was my flag declined'

user310756

ok the first part could be written. "This answer offers the use of JQuery, which wasn't part of the question"

Magisch

@YvetteColomb I started this to pre-empt rule lawyering cluelessness from people but I might be overthinking it

Somewhat Memorable Name

12:54 PM

I really wonder if mod teams are... panicking over the new flags

Magisch

They're probably not too worried and not too fussed about doing anything different

communicating that to the userbase however....

user310756

seconde part "the questions doesn't ask for a full size canvas. Avoid setting global wildcard styles or setting the size through css"

user310756

@BerryM. ^^

user310756

@SomewhatMemorableName I dunno. it's been a nightmare on meta

Berry M.

Heh, thanks I guess

Isn't every "big" change?

Somewhat Memorable Name

12:56 PM

@YvetteColomb How about on the flag dashboard? :)

user310756

> Every time you violate the CoC, no matter how slightly, you'll get a warning

Magisch

"This answer is opinion based and advocates bad practices like $explain. It also uses JQuery which OP did not request."

user310756

@Magisch that's not technically true

Magisch

@YvetteColomb I know, read on

I'm saying the wording makes users think that'll be the case.

user310756

@SomewhatMemorableName the dashboard is fine.

Somewhat Memorable Name

12:58 PM

Well... that's kind of reassuring...

Magisch

Tim has confirmed multiple times that enforcement isn't gonna see large changes

I wish people would take him at his word and give him the benefit of the doubt for now

user310756

@Magisch the true change occurred when the first welcoming blog came out. Nothing much (in terms of moderation) will change from then

user310756

we were just enforcing the site's policies more closely. The policies were always there. They needed to be spelt out

Magisch

@YvetteColomb Pretty sure every one of the comments that is deleted now would have been deleted then if flagged. I think the main change is to sensibilize users to flag more

rene

What should non-sensible users do? Do they get sensibilized? Is there a training to follow?

user310756

1:14 PM

non-sensible users get to live in the bliss of ignorance

Magisch

@rene it's more of a voluntary think ala "I don't have to put up with being snarked on so much"

user310756

is anyone else getting issues with the browsers taking a long time to load (js problems I think) but scripts related to the site

Somewhat Memorable Name

not imgur?

rene

@YvetteColomb no-repro

user310756

@SomewhatMemorableName nah

user310756

1:22 PM

@rene hm it's only happening on this network. I'll drill into my scripts

Magisch

Poor tech solidarity slack CoC: after the SE coc post went up, that document has been horribly defaced: docs.google.com/document/d/…

Somewhat Memorable Name

shared to Reddit and 4chan

(nah... not worth...)

Magisch

@TimPost Could you reconsider linking to docs.google.com/document/d/… in the COC blog post? It seems to have attracted a large swath of people trying to deface the document

Somewhat Memorable Name

1:38 PM

@Magisch did I miss something? I don't see it linked on the current blog post

or I looked at the wrong direction

Magisch

@SomewhatMemorableName It's linked under what the CoC is being inspired by

> This text incorporates ideas and language from the Coral Project, Buffer, and Tech Solidarity codes of conduct.

Somewhat Memorable Name

oh, the CoC page itself, not the blog post

Somewhat Memorable Name

2:41 PM

> You seem to be missing what we're confused about. The Code of Conflict is not meant to cover all forms of conflict resolution [...] -- animuson

oh well, typo...

Mark Amery

"Code of Conflict" is a gloriously accurate description of that document.

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gnat

@MarkAmery this terrible vandalism at Solidarity doc sort of demonstrates things that could go wrong with the new CoC. They pretend to "help", "be inclusive", "educate", "give credits to sources" and do other good things. But this really results in useful content being damaged by hordes of senseless link-clickers who just don't care. Good intentions, road to hell

Optimus Prime

2:57 PM

still imgur didn't fixed it?

Looks like Facebook conducting an A/B testing. But, It started few months ago and still you didn't completed it @facebook? Here's my feedback, The new icons sucks. Old one is better.

Tweeted by Sagarvd01 on August 8, 2018 at 2:56 PM

Mark Amery

@gnat I'm not sure that's exactly exemplary of the sort of problems I expect from the CoC. The main lesson there seems to be "when you wade into the culture war, people fight you". Except the current CoC does a good job of staying out of culture war issues. The silly intersectional feminist tropes from v1 like "if somebody says you're making them uncomfortable, that's a magical trump card that gives them total power to order you around and if you don't submit you're an abuser" are now gone

Optimus Prime

The old one is better than new one. Old one is just a quarter piece of sh* t whereas the new one is half piece of sh *t

Kevin B

but it has a red dot, so the data is gonna say it's better

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canon

3:13 PM

@gnat what the hell?

"A strange game, professor Falken; the only winning move is not to play..."

gnat

@canon CoC referred this document as one of their sources, you can find link to it in there (link under words "Tech Solidarity"). They didn't pay attention that it refers editable googledoc and just advertised the new CoC to tens or hundreds thousands folks over SE network. As a result, some of the readers clicked that link end made vandalising edits to that googledoc

canon

@gnat that was more of a, "what a mess..." comment. :P

Optimus Prime

@KevinB hmm. the old one

gnat

16

Q: Code of Conduct links to text of dubious quality and relevance

At the bottom of the Code of Conduct: This text incorporates ideas and language from the Coral Project, Buffer, and Tech Solidarity codes of conduct. First of all, have some imaginary points for including where you got your inspiration. Credit where credit is due, etc. However... Has anyo...

discussion bug hyperlinks code-of-conduct

Somewhat Memorable Name

FWIW, it's open to edit suggestion, so the final view is still.... safe. Doesn't mean the linking to an editable doc is a good idea though.

In fact, it just shows that SE users are not that different to 4chan...

Mark Amery

3:30 PM

@SomewhatMemorableName If by that you mean "amongst millions of users, some are dicks", then, yeah, that's inevitable.

canon

@MarkAmery "amongst millions of users, some are [entertaining]"? :P

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Somewhat Memorable Name

some are really dicks..‌.

canon

lol

sort of picturing the dancing cacti from smb3

Kevin B

3:55 PM

It bugs me to see people suggesting comments to leave on questions with problems without at all mentioning leaving a close vote that directly matches the comment being left

why do people avoid close votes

Magisch

This is why we can't have nice things

@SomewhatMemorableName Yeah the vandalism got worse as the day progressed

Kevin B

4:18 PM

It's almost as if some of the users are both.

oh, wait, that was sarcasm, is that now illegal

Somewhat Memorable Name

sarcasm is not illegal, declaring that it's a sarcasm is illegal

/$

canon

</irony></sarcasm></sentiment></personality><sugar>${comment}

Shadow Wizard

</what>

Surprised that the Tavern is still here after CoC went alive. :D

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizard Just give it time :P

Somewhat Memorable Name

Tavern is love. Tavern is live.

Tinkeringbell

4:33 PM

Hi all!

Shadow Wizard

Hello world?

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizard wow. I know I'm fat but that's.... :P

Shadow Wizard

There are also small worlds!

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizard I'm going to worldbuilding right now, ask what the smallest possible world would weigh and get back to you! :D

John Dvorak

Collection of Commandments

Feeds

5:14 PM

There are lots of very smart people doing fascinating work on cryptographic voting protocols. We should be funding and encouraging them, and doing all our elections with paper ballots until everyone currently working in that field has retired.

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Shadow Wizard

5:27 PM

@Tinkeringbell lol! Got an answer? ;)

Hey, you didn't ask!! worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/users/46078/… :P

heh, nice HNQ there....

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Doesn't "Netherlands" mean "low lands"?

@Tinkeringbell

Shog9

netherworld

Pronoun: netherworld

The place to which one's spirit descends upon death, conceived as below the surface of the earth.
In some religions, one's soul departs to a netherworld, hell, instead of the heavens.
The locale of the spirit world or afterlife, whether deemed to be situated below the world of the living or not.
While I was astrally projecting, I felt my soul pass through many insubstantial netherworlds.
Specifically, a location of punishment in the afterlife; a hell.

(3 more not shown…)

presumably then, the Netherlands are the places in the Netherworld where you can build a house and plant stuff.

Somewhat Memorable Name

Netherworld. With tulips!

Optimus Prime

status-bug

Shog9

I, for one, think it's pretty great that we can casually chat with so many damned spirits here on a regular basis.

Optimus Prime

5:37 PM

the CoC mail contains Meta SO logo. Not SO logo

Shog9

well... CoC is pretty meta

Optimus Prime

It's the footer, area for company logo and name

Shog9

I still haven't gotten any of these emails :-/

oh wait - I got one for a sockpuppet on a different account

...weird. Not even a good sockpuppet.

Somewhat Memorable Name

that means something...

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Aug 3 at 23:00, by Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Shog9 You previously said you didn't care much about this bug, but it now has a much wider scope, covering all sites with responsive design, rather than just Meta as before. Is your position still the same?

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Q: Clicked voting arrows on sites with responsive design show with wrong color under Internet Explorer 11

On sites with the new responsive design, the color of clicked vote buttons have a theme color related to the site's design. However, on Internet Explorer 11, this arrow always shows as orange, regardless of the site. This seems to have been copied from Stack Overflow. Can this please be fixed? ...

bug design voting user-interface internet-explorer

@Shog9 ^^

Shog9

5:42 PM

I probably used it for posting really rude & abusive stuff

Optimus Prime

Wait. I didn't get a mail on my sock account

Shog9

I have like 20-some accounts just on SO; I'd have expected a few more of these emails

Optimus Prime

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog glad to see, people still using IE

Tinkeringbell

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog Sort of. But the low lands description is generally used to indicate a geographical area including Belgium and Luxembourg

@Shog9 Great. First I'm as big as a small world and now I'm damned? Are we sure that code of conduct is working?

@ShadowWizard Hahaha not so hasty! Writing a good question takes time and inspiration and not being lazy ;)

Optimus Prime

Shog9

5:52 PM

I feel strongly that the CoC ensures polite and courteous treatment of damned souls, and will enforce it accordingly

5

Optimus Prime

@Shog9 did SO notified imgur about the bug from your side?

Shog9

yes

Nick's been ~~fighting~~ working with them for the past day & a half

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Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Shog9 You violated the Acceptable Use Policy

Optimus Prime

And they're saying nothing happened on 7th and 8th

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

cv-pls doesn't appear to seek community input: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/313869/falsehoods-upvoted

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

6:10 PM

cv-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/313870/…

rene

7:22 PM

I was only joking ... who could have guessed that outcome ...

canon

7:42 PM

I'm using internet explorer 5.5 and the site is broken. HALP

Tinkeringbell

@canon Use your internet explorer to download chrome.

canon

"You pass butter."

Tinkeringbell

@canon I had to Google that :P. But yeah, that's what I was aiming for ;)

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

8:01 PM

@Tinkeringbell The Google Chrome install page loads perfectly fine in IE6. Just tested.

user310756

does anyone here ever feel like they're wearing an invisible cloak?

user310756

When layering goes bad.... — Snow 7 hours ago

user310756

6 mins ago, by Yvette Colomb

does anyone here ever feel like they're wearing an invisible cloak?

user310756

leaves room

rene

@JourneymanGeek @ShadowWizard would you mind voting on this synonym request: meta.stackexchange.com/tags/deleted-accounts/synonyms

Tinkeringbell

8:12 PM

@YvetteColomb Huh? You need to give us some time to react ;).

@YvetteColomb an invisible cloak, or an invisibility cloak? :D

I don't see much wrong with the comment...

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog Pfft. I will not ever open IE to test something

I really dislike using it. Which is kinda weird, as I grew up with it and I usually stick to what I'm used to.

user310756

@Tinkeringbell :)

user310756

@Tinkeringbell totally not sure

rene

8:30 PM

Oh @SonictheInclusiveHedgehog I assume you can vote as well (for context: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/313136/…)

Catija

@YvetteColomb If you're looking for stats about SO specifically, is there a reason you've asked on MSE?

I guess I see that you're looking for broader info but the post does start out talking about flags on SO, so maybe that is what's making me think that all of it applies to SO other than that last bullet point that's asking about the network entirely.

Kevin B

8:47 PM

has the auto-flag approval on comment flags changed? i don't recall flagging "Thanks!" being instant on the first flag

maybe i just haven't cast one in a while

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@rene What kind of vote?

@rene Don't have the required tag score.

Votes on questions don't count.

Shadow Wizard

9:21 PM

@rene voted

@Shog9 are they trying to hire him? ;)

@Tinkeringbell OK, I shall wait! ;-)

Martin James

9:35 PM

@Tinkeringbell ..and buy/download another 16G of RAM:)

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

10:01 PM

@Tinkeringbell The reason why I was testing it was because I was using a Windows XP virtual machine and needed a modern browser. Admittedly, I should have just downloaded the installer and sideloaded it into my VM, but I wanted to see it if it would work.

Journeyman Geek

10:23 PM

@KevinB not before but makes sense

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

10:46 PM

cv-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/313875/…

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

11:03 PM

hmmm... I have a declined "unclear what you are asking" flag from april 2018 on meta.se. I can't see that option in the flag dialog... have question flags changed?

Tinkeringbell

@FélixGagnon-Grenier How was your reputation then vs now? You can flag questions if you can't cast close votes yet...

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

I believe from the rep tab that it was mostly the same, maybe 20 points less. I can't cast close votes now either.

Also, oh hey y'all, it's nice seeing the avatars again ;)

bah, it's really unimportant, the question was closed anyway so no harm done :) I just don't understand how I emitted the flag.

.... and biiig fat shame on me. the flag options on closed questions are not the same as on opened questions. I followed the declined flag to the now closed question, which does not feature the usual close options, quite logically.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

11:58 PM

@FélixGagnon-Grenier Are you looking at a closed question, by any chance?

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

is it passive aggressive to paste the permalink of my previous comment? :)

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