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I start to think so too, yeah.

I absolutely can.

It is not true, I don't want to make a fuss

Thank you ;)

I spent my entire day yesterday on it and got none of my own work done

7:01 AM

But you're making by keeping to accuse people of things and not being clear about it. @user1271772

my code is still compiling...

Sorry for not being clear about it

@user1271772 go do your work then, SE isn't going to pay the bills ;)

You can say for example "I disagree with @Catija's edit and think she made a mistake, and would like to know if she now understand that mistake or get feedback from her directly about it". That's not a fuss, it's legit and she might come and reply. Or not. And that's it, no need to involve others. @user1271772

No it's not that I disagree with @Catija's edit .... she only came in yesterday

The problem was @rene and @Glorfindel.

7:03 AM

Same for other things, like closure. but first thing, be clear about it. Say what you think they did wrong and explain why, and when not getting response, don't hammer it.

sigh

@ShadowWizard You're right, and not involving others was why I made the group, which I believe, you joined yourself? I don't think I invited you?

so, my room's AC suddenly broke down, and it's 32℃...

I feel hot.

@SomewhatMemorableName !!!!!

@SomewhatMemorableName holy understatement batman.

@user1271772 yes, but you brought it here now.

7:04 AM

Swamp cooler?

@SomewhatMemorableName flagging

I suppose that makes the humidity worse.

@ShadowWizard that's because @rene wasn't answering and I couldn't invite @Glorfindel

I seem only to be able to invite people that are already in chat?

@ShadowWizard he wouldn't mind flags if you waved it fast enough. ;)

lol

7:05 AM

@SomewhatMemorableName I've had those days and I emphatise

I also experienced the same in Singapore :p

"I disagree with some of @rene and @Glorfindel's actions and think they made a mistakes, and would like to know if they now understand that mistake"

Weather's mostly the same, especially on the coast

Singapore's always 32 and humid

@SomewhatMemorableName ^

7:07 AM

@ShadowWizard WAVE IT HARDER!

MOAR DAKKA!

it will break!

@user1271772 you have been there?

I lived in Singapore when I was working there

@ShadowWizard I'm finally thinking of changing my username, but still no idea.

@ShadowWizard: Can you tell me again how to find which comment was replied to in chat? WIth the yellow highlighting?

Oh it's the left arrow right?

7:08 AM

@SomewhatMemorableName ;p alas, you have no one to thematically copy? ;)

Ok

@user1271772 coincidentally, I was too.

@JourneymanGeek yeah ;_;

You could totally not live in singapore while working there tho

Yes you could live on the island of Batam for example

or in Johor Baru

but in my case I lived there while working there

@user1271772 correct. Nice pun. ;)

Good to know you can be funny. :D

7:13 AM

I don't get the pun (must have been a mistake!)

rofl

it's the left arrow, right?

back to the usual Tavern mood, ah~

oooooh is that really a pun?

Is that a pun?

Even funnier when by mistake. :P

7:14 AM

pun would be something where "left" has two meanings at the same time

Not a pun now, just funny.

You're right when you go right. You will be left if you go left though.

"right" = correct, and "opposite of left" , so maybe it was a pub

pun*

I left my left side vulnerable and got smacked.

@user1271772 coffee or tea? Quick.

tea

7:15 AM

Here you go ^

Enjoy your tea!

Good that it's lemon tea because it's not high in caffeine

@Derpy once had a bot serving cupcakes.

caffeine

You can edit chat messages, @user1271772.

... and there was bjbot.

7:17 AM

Ok I found the edit button

You're using Windows?

@SomewhatMemorableName out of context, that name can be taken as something pretty uncouth..... ;)

@user1271772 yup

Most here use Windows, I think.

@ShadowWizard blame the owner's username!!1!

@SomewhatMemorableName but @bjb got that extra "b"..... :P

7:19 AM

I was able to guess Windows because you're able to make screenshots and annotate them rather easily using Snipping Tool. I miss Windows

I'm using an Ubuntu machine, so hard to make screenshots

@user1271772 actually... I don't like that tool. I use mspaint.

I'm old school.

I'm old.

crying

and OSX also like CMD+SHIFT+4, but it saves the screenshot everytime, not so convenient like in windows

So you do Print Screent, then paste into MS Paint, then crop it?

When I need something more advanced, I use Paint.NET

@ShadowWizard +∞ for FRHC

Used to use it always until it got really heavy.

7:20 AM

Who's talking about caffeine? Ask the experts plz.

now mspaint has almost same features, but super light.

Coffee?

@SomewhatMemorableName blush

I love my FHRCs!

and Notepad will get an update...

In any case, screenshots are very difficult with Ubuntu and OSX, so based on the ease with which you do it I assumed you were using Windows

7:21 AM

@user1271772 yup

super easy

There's screenshots I wanted to make for you but wouldn't be able to do it fast enough because I'm using Ubuntu

Too bad!

Guys I have to go drink this lemon tea

@SomewhatMemorableName when? I'm still using it for code changes in production sometimes.

I think I just have to talk to rene and glorfindel at some point if they're willing to do it

See you guys later

7:23 AM

@user1271772 sure, before it's getting cold!

And I have to go do the reverse.... cya!

@ShadowWizard somewhere around October 2018?

On the other hand, Chrome will also get an update that will hog 10% more memory...

@SomewhatMemorableName well, hopefully it won't make it super slow and heavy... :/

@SomewhatMemorableName so you keep the game even when the main player is out? (Sorry, but for me @Norm was always the main player and you followed his footsteps... ;))

You can be.... Abnormal Human!

And if that won't bring @Norm back running to smack you, nothing will bring him back to Meta. :D

7:43 AM

@SomewhatMemorableName @ShadowWizard the notepad update seems...

oddly interesting. The line ending fix is... actually very useful

Sure but many times when they add features, they make it very slow and complicated when it was fast and easy to use before.

That's the case with Paint.NET and pgAdmin for example.

and many more.

@ShadowWizard heh, I still use paint.net ;)

Unless you mean mspaint

I'm using old version of pgAdmin because I just can't stand the slowness and bugs in the new versions.

@JourneymanGeek mspaint got a major update in Windows 10 adding heavy features, but luckily it didn't make it slow. I just don't use those features. :)

@ShadowWizard ahh

not the same ;p

Paint.net is a free (formerly FOSS) alternative with many more features, and works well ;)

@JourneymanGeek I know, I have it and use it for stuff mspaint doesn't have, e.g. transparency or layers.

7:47 AM

ahh

I've not really noticed it being bloaty :(

But for cropping screenshots and drawing FHRC, only mspaint.

ah I use snipping tool for FHRC

@JourneymanGeek well, not really that bad when it's already running.... but it takes about 10 seconds to load which is already too much for me.

Me too, it's usually sufficient

0_0

takes about 1-2 for me

7:48 AM

wait, let's see... didn't use it for long time...

I mean, I have a fairly decent 5 year old desktop ;)

And you can make great free hand circles

15 seconds and counting...

20 seconds.

Maybe my computer has issues, but that's not excuse. ;)

Well, 10 seconds here

heh, see?

7:49 AM

Acer laptop

Maybe 20 here because it wasn't started since reset.

(my computer is reset about once a month, on average.)

And my laptop is incredibly slow, generally

:/

> העלאת נתונים הסתיימה

Only 90 this time. :D

המערכת מאתחלת כעת

desktop I built myself ;)

7:53 AM

@JourneymanGeek show off!

:D

@ShadowWizard need to build another one soon ;)

@πάνταῥεῖ hehe, actually I hate Hebrew version of Windows, using only English. :D

@JourneymanGeek for yourself?

yup

I guess all your family and friends also ask you to build computers for them? ;)

Naw

that would make me happy ;)

Building computers is fun

7:58 AM

So suggest it!

alas, I just go ~~6-8~~ 5-7 years and go

"Its time"

Nyx is still running quite well, so hoping ram prices drop a bit

@πάνταῥεῖ wait, where did you take it from? Doesn't look like Google Translate of the standard reset message?

and can't really decide what I want ;)

@ShadowWizard I did take it from GT

But message in English from my head

ohh

@JourneymanGeek throw dice

My baby daughter learned to roll a dice now she doesn't stop...

(she's playing Monopoly by herself: rolling a dice, moving the car, taking cards)

Martin James

8:12 AM

@ShadowWizard lol, Wolf Pup of Wall St ;)

lol

8:34 AM

@ShadowWizard more in terms of specs

do I just build the same machine, updated ? (so non K core I7, see if I can get more ram in, M.2 SSD...) or do I go AMD? or save up longer and build a threadripper based monster machine?

8:52 AM

@JourneymanGeek you surely know this stuff way better than me! :) well, I would just build same machine, updated, if that machine is working fast and like I want.

@ShadowWizard true, but then what's the point? ;p

This machine works ;)

@ShadowWizard Bit rusty actually

its been 5 years since my last build and a lot of things have changed.

Amongst other things, AMD actually makes competitive processors now

My box is also 4 years old atm. I want to wait for the new graphics cards to get cheaper before I get a new one

ah

this was upgraded with a 980TI at some point ;)

you even need graphics, @Journeyman

lol

8:57 AM

i.e. do you play on the computer?

I have a 970 seems to work fine so far

I game

I stopped playing on PC, moved to PS.

and this baby has a 4k monitor so...

I need the dakka

oh

8:58 AM

I hate controllers with a passion so no ps for me

Game: NetHack?

Will be keeping my 980TI on the next build

If I can't play it with mouse&keyboard I'm not interested

@Magisch Yay :) I keep trying to play with a controller, but I somehow lack the coordination...

So, now I'm spending my time playing three-in-a-row XD

Then again most games I play don't require manual dexterity a lot (more careful planning)

I'm absolutely bad at shooters, for instance

9:00 AM

Platformer?

@Magisch I can do bubble-shooters ;) but yeah, those are difficult

Keeping the monitors, might go for a smaller case - a HAF XB(converting my current box to a home server) so mainly motherboard, ram (maan, 32 gb sounds fun but overkill) storage (256-512 gb m.2 and the cheapest 1tb SSD I can find)

Puzzle games, minecraft, WoW...

I'm pretty sure I cracked 15000 hours in minecraft by now

@ShadowWizard in theory my current box was built to be rediculously futureproof. Maxing out the ram on it to 32gb, and swapping out the heatsink might be enough to turn it up to 11 ;)

I think it occationally overheats and the OS could use a refresh

Its a good machine. There's no rush other than 1) the mall I buy hardware from may close soonish, and be redeveloped.

which may result in bargains, but I lose my favourite place for such things

2) well, if the future mrs geek dosen't get it, I'll have many headaches ;)

9:22 AM

You should just teach mrs geek to game ;) Then you can tell her that she'll benefit from upgrading hardware as well! :D

@Tinkeringbell I'd need to know her first ;)

True. But things were moving, right?

@Tinkeringbell ehhh, Still waiting on a response

Parentals might be handing me another list to look through

and there's a few other irons in the fire at this point?

IDK. ;p

It'll be fine ;)

lol

More that I'm convinced that no one at all knows how any of this works ;p

9:26 AM

Yeah well... I could start giving all sorts of advice, but honestly I have no clue as well! :D

yup

but at this point I think I need to let things simmer a bit

:) I guess just do whatever you feel is best ;)

lol

Yup

Wait a bit, see if I can get my parents engaged in this (peer pressure helps)

then maybe look around a bit more

not R/A just crappy answer perhaps.

John Dvorak

10:28 AM

Worth editing?

I'd say no

10:40 AM

An amusing and ironic violation of the current CoC draft's requirement that "If someone points out that your behaviour is making others uncomfortable, stop doing it ..., apologise and move on": twitter.com/aprilwensel/status/1018147733255798791. Nobody, no matter how much they publicly express their approval of such rules in the abstract, actually agrees that this is a fair way of handling conflict once they are the speaker being criticised.

@MarkAmery Thats because such a definition is utterly unworkable without putting in some requirement of intent

Otherwise anyone can shut any conversation they're listening to down at any time with no further requirements

I think such a rule is meant to prevent people from rule lawyering "well technically we can discuss this even though it aggravates you, just leave" and similar aspects

Oh well, I'll just stand on my own without caring...

Just let me know if I violate the CoC. That's all...

And that's probably the last day I'll visit that site...

@JohnDvorak indeed

lol my screen is bit dirty, a speck of dust made it look like the message ended with ":", when I posted my message and it scrolled, it became clear.... o_O

11:01 AM

... that was my first time experiencing the mystery and wonder of returning to a chat tab to find a message that says "(removed)" that, when I hover over it, shows that it was a reply to a message of mine

What immediately-regretted feedback did Shadow Wizard have on my message? Now I shall never know!

(Though it sounds like it had something to do with misreading it.)

Browsers' dev tool can log Chat WebSocket if it is turned on...

16 mins ago, by Shadow Wizard

lol my screen is bit dirty, a speck of dust made it look like the message ended with ":", when I posted my message and it scrolled, it became clear.... o_O

so I asked "why did you end your message with ":""?

heh. As somebody whose screen is covered in filth, I make the same mistake frequently

lol first time for me :D

@rene you were requested for interrogation before...

@ShadowWizard I heard flowers do well with bright lights and loads of water :P

11:17 AM

@Tinkeringbell darn... I'm imagining a very bad thing... -_-;

@SomewhatMemorableName Wait... regular interrogations don't include water and bright lights? :P

not from the start, no.

John Dvorak

My plant doesn't like loads of water.

@JohnDvorak mine too, I water it once or twice a week, about cup and half of water.

Chinese watering on flowers?

(it's darker than I imagined...)

11:23 AM

@SomewhatMemorableName That actually happens quite more often than you think :P There's these systems that keep the ground at a certain moisture level by ... dripping water on it :P

Okay... enough silly thoughts :P

;)

lol

Catija

11:43 AM

@JourneymanGeek giants are the best.

@Catija black giant snauzers are what I imagine black shuck to look like

12:12 PM

12:22 PM

Clever way to make highly active users action private: we now get error on SO when trying to view activity of users with lots of it, e.g. Jon Skeet.

(used to "only" take 20 seconds before, now it takes even more before crashing.)

Maybe database reached its limit, resource-wise?

If your profile doesn't throw an exception you didn't work hard enough ...

hehe, true.

Nick should plug that 1000 TB memory stick into the server.

definitely a query that has a suboptimal queryplan

Get hired as external counselor for SE! ;)

@GaurangTandon oh, noticed you're pingable here. Sorry again for not editing, and I appreciate the time you spent into this request, it does have some merit, but... well, won't be done.

Seeing "Possible duplicate of" even when all votes expires isn't that bad, and if one is really bothered by that (the one who originally flagged/voted) they can delete the auto comment and post a new one.

plz-delete PhD meta.stackexchange.com/questions/312641/… @rene @JourneymanGeek @TravisJ

done

12:38 PM

No boom... kaboom... kabong? :/

Userscript suggestion: when someone cast the final delete vote on off topic MSE question, have them auto post some funny message here. ;)

No Boom Today...Boom Tomorrow

1:05 PM

No boom today? Boom Tommorrow!Always Boom Tommorrow!

►

KaBlam!

@JourneymanGeek :D :D :D

lol

Undo

1:29 PM

Random question: When was the last time SO Q&A had serious outside competition?

@Undo The last time the entire site was copied and a paywall was put up in front of it?

@Undo That makes it sound like SO has a serious competitor now? Did I miss something?

(September 2015 this here was the easy way of combating it)

Undo

@Fabby That's not competition.

@Tinkeringbell No, just thinking about when the last time was

@Undo It used to be Experts Exchange's business model.

Copy stuff from all over the web, categorize it and make people pay for it.

@Undo Next time define "competition" more elaborately if you don't want me to spew nonsense. ;-)

@Undo Q: Are you related to @JourneymanGeek ? ;-)

1:54 PM

@Undo in a sense, almost never.

But... its also one of those things they built first, and tried to moniterise later

2:07 PM

@Undo never, afaik

@Undo Perhaps ask that question on Reddit/Quora instead to hear their opinion...

lol

They might be considered "competition", but not "serious".

Because personally, I believe it has never happened. But maybe it's because me, "fanatic" SE/SO user so that I prefer SO than other sites...

I'd almost say SO was competition for the hyphen site

Though for other non-Q/A programming related, I've often visit Medium... I guess?

2:15 PM

hongkiat.com/blog/programming-questions-websites

Bugged: it lists both SO and SE as different sites. lol

Unrelated: googling "ask question" returned SO as the first result ._.

even Google know how fanatic I am...

@SomewhatMemorableName "Ask Another Question - Stack Overflow" for me.

Wonder where the "Another" coming from??

Apparently Google recommend people to ask anything on SO...

:(

@ShadowWizard in a sense it is?

2:23 PM

@ShadowWizard Google groups! Hah! ;-)

Of course, Yahoo! Answers is always a serious competitor to any Q&A site...

If you need to know how u maek babby, sure.

:(

@JourneymanGeek Ok thank you. I am sorry, I will delete my question:( — Elias Knudsen 28 secs ago

Such a nice lad.

very welcoming

(I really do appreciate it when folks realise when they're in the wrong place and help clean up after themselves)

yeah, it is unfortunately not that common

2:35 PM

huh? I just realized my SE Quick News messages were starred...

sorry.

lol

@rene for everything else, we have the scooby squad?

so, yeah... the unofficial nomination post on Maths.SE doesn't seem do anything useful at the moment...

Q: Inadequate Notification and Timeline for 2018 Election

@SomewhatMemorableName Not a site I frequent (math is hard, lets chase cars...)

but

5

I apologize for complaining, but I'm rather taken aback by how the site has decided to run the 2018 election. I don't check the main site on a daily basis, and I visit Meta even more infrequently---while I know the site's most active users are more aware of what's going in, I'm equally sure ther...

Maybe related to this?

A: 2018 Moderator Election Q&A - Question Collection

2:45 PM

Possibly... I've seen that, which refers to the 2017 Election. And I also commented on that...

> unless this community doesn't really want new mods.

The Q&A collection meta post is kind of pop-corny... but I think just like other Meta Maths posts...

And Shog also requested a question (was it the first time CM doing this other than the default one from Grace Note?)

10

Imagine a time in which the site has become divided between two groups, each of whom desire a future which is anathema to the other. The status quo is unstable; it is all but guaranteed that one group will be seen as ascendant and the other will leave in frustration. And... You've been elected to...

Optimus Prime

3:24 PM

Hmm Thanks @Yve @JourneymanGeek @Sonic

pluralsight really su*ks

...what are you talking about?? @Optimus

You didn't ask anything, what you thank them for?

(i.e. I'd find such message just.. confusing.)

Also @YvetteColomb might not be pingable as @Yve since her last visit was more than 2 days ago. So, what you thank her for? @Optimus

Optimus Prime

for adding condolences on my situation (long ago)

@JourneymanGeek Yeah, now that I've flagged one of my won questions as a dupe and saw the nice UI that comes up when this happens ("Does this solve your problem?" ) I wonder why it takes 5 votes to close most of the dupes...

/shrug