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1:10 AM
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog According to what Shog said earlier, just undeleting will already remove those votes.
It's an unrelated issue. If you want to talk about it, please use a post of your own.
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1:31 AM
@Catija I was referring to the automatic "disputed low quality review" moderator flag that gets raised when a user undeletes their own post that got deleted in review.
Automatic flags get cleared when a post gets deleted. My point provides additional support to the point that users shouldn't be able to delete review-deleted posts.
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog That's not really what I'm asking, though. It's not a feature request, it's a discussion. I'm not asking for it to change, I'm asking to understand why it is the way it is.
@Shog9 Has there been any consideration for getting that bug fixed?
If these undeletions are really that uncommon, the number of people abusing the auto flag like that has to be minuscule... it's just not on my radar.
Fixing that problem is irrelevant of whether someone should be able to undelete at all. That seems like a bug that needs to be addressed either way.
@Shog9 This was done not with low-quality posts in mind, but rather with the Roomba in mind.
yes, I remember
aside to (aside to (aside to (the question)))
1:42 AM
@Shog9 How about the above design flaw I mentioned?
That users can avoid detection by undeleting, re-deleting, and undeleting again?
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog it can be fixed
it's happened
586 times on SO
and 362 of those times its been re-deleted
small potatoes
worth fixing, but not worth freaking out over
@Shog9 By the author?
yeah, that's not a lot really
see a few pages up about the tens of thousands of posts deleted via this path on SO in a year's time
those remaining 224 instances... That's all-time
that's over 4 years
it's like...
there's a way to get spam flags invalidated by posting something innocuous, then editing it to be spam, then rolling back, then editing it to be spam again
that loophole has existed for almost 10 years now
...spammers pretty much never do that.
@Shog9 Isn't there a rate limit for rolling back?
1:51 AM
IMO there should be
there are very few rate limits for editing in general
...i have talked in this room too much today. most of my backscroll is blue
WARNING!!! WARNING!!! Shog approaching daily word limit... Aooooogah Aooogah! Shut down in 200 words.
@Shog9 Just one more question: why are users prevented from viewing specific off-topic close reasons or duplicate targets others have selected if they voted to close? They just see the top-level reason others selected, but not the specific reasons or targets.
Are u asking why you can't dig through menues 8f you've already voted?
@Shog9 I voted to close this question as unclear. I now see that someone else has voted to close it as off-topic. However, the system won't let me click on "off-topic" to see what specific reason they selected.
2:04 AM
so what
you can't vote twice. Knowing what someone else voted buys you nothing.
This also applies where someone else has voted to close as duplicate (I can't click on "duplicate" to see the specific target they've selected), but that's less of a problem due to the automatic commenting (unless the original close voter deleted their comment).
@Shog9 Why allow me to view specific reasons if I haven't close voted, but disallow it if I've voted? Why was the decision made to implement it that way?
What's the reason behind the intentional decision to do that?
why would you ever need to know how anyone else has voted?
May 4 at 10:37, by Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog
I'm a genuinely curious hedgehog
that's not what i asked
2:09 AM
wait.... blue?
@Shog9 if they were smart enough to do more than post hit and run crap... they wouldn't be spamming
@JourneymanGeek Your own chat messages appear in blue highlighting...
ah, I forgot ;p
this PC has porkchat installed
Mine does too...
@JourneymanGeek What's that?
browser addon.
2:14 AM
browser extention that does a dark theme for chat
for some odd reason I can't get userstyles to work and its easier
Lots of various chat things...
Some of them are mod-only.
I don't use the dark theme... there was something about it I ended up not liking...
I might disable it, it looks kinda bad in mobile mode so I can't do my vivaldi chat as sidebar thing
2:28 AM
@Shog9 There are some relatively rare edge cases where knowing the other votes might be helpful. Somewhat contrived SO example: you've voted for "General computing", but the post has been edited such that it now makes for a viable migration candidate to SU. While you might want to keep your vote in place to help close it sooner, if the voting becomes 2 for General Computing and 2 for migration to SU, then retracting your CV is required for there to be a possibility for it to be migrated to SU.
OTOH, if the votes are 1 for General Computing and 3 for migration, then it's still possible for it to be migrated, if the 5th vote is for migration. These two situation are identical from the first page of the CV-dialog, so being able to click-through to at least the OT panel is needed to distinguish them. But, to be honest, the desire to see that information is mostly because inquiring minds want to know. Adding (userscript) the ability to click-through to the other panels was relatively easy.
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4:51 AM
@SmokeDetector thanks? but I think it has become cold by now
A: Allow new users to flag comments on their own posts

Shog9I've been thinking about this all week, and doing a bit of research... Here are my current thoughts: "if you're allowed to comment on a post, you're allowed to flag comments on that post, too." - this is subtly different from what's proposed in the title, but it's an important difference and I ...

@πάνταῥεῖ @Catija ^
@Makyen Can you please post that user script on Stack Apps?
@Shog9 is that supposed to work that you can ask on meta about your answer. I assumed it only worked for questions?
not really, but apparently it does
Okay, so the confusion is mutual then ;)
4:57 AM
I guess...
...this is just a perfect storm of errors
You need a bug report for that? I can write one if needed
ask question... in an answer... go to meta... post question about question in answer... edit meta question to be ACTUAL QUESTION which still resides in answer on main.
@rene I think no amount of fixing will fix whatever mindset led to this
@Makyen If the question is off-topic on SU and the scenario you describe here applies, you can ask someone to prevent migration by casting a normal close vote.
@Catija According to that MSO post, yes.
5:05 AM
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog I'll add it to the list of things I'm should break out of my personal SE adjustments into it's own userscript.
5:22 AM
What is facebook.stackoverflow.com ?
experimental microsite for facebook questions
didn't work out
A: Avatar changed into my Facebook picture after adding Facebook to my account?

Kevin MontroseIf you log in to facebook.stackoverflow.com using Facebook, we'll pull down your Facebook profile picture auto-magically. Once connected, changes to your Facebook profile picture will be reflected on Stack Overflow As your facebook.SO account and regular SO account are the same thing, changing ...

See first line. But it redirects me to SO questions tagged facebook
Q: Facebook Stack Overflow?

user152229Somehow I found the Facebook Stackoverflow site, with the icon being the regular Stack Overflow icon with a facebook icon on top of it: Is it an easter egg? If so, how does it differ from the original Stack Overflow site?

@NogShine its probably outdated and slightly broken at this point
It just redirects to the SO wildcard tag
5:29 AM
ok, after reading that answer, I got a doubt. If we are adding FB as a login credential and update profile picture there, our avatar also updates here. Does this happen with our google+ too?
zat I don't know
I see many new users getting an avatar with first alphabet as their name just like default google+ profile picture.
I think this is new.
6:27 AM
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@NogShine it should import Facebook/Google+ profile pic and display name once when creating new account. If it's doing it when adding login to existing account, it's a bug.
A: Uploading an avatar (profile picture) from a different source

Tim PostWe use imgur for image hosting, so if you want to use the direct upload feature, that's really your only option. Gravatar is still supported, but take note that this exposes a MD5 hash of the email you've given to Gravatar: To get there, go to your profile by clicking your avatar on the top ...

> I believe we now capture the associated avatar during signup, and ask you if you want to use it
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7:47 AM
yes, it is. Although I'm awake since 5:30 so I'm up for lunch already although that is not due for another 2 hours.
Buy a proper pillow for the poor animal ...
sd remove
@rene I also tried Pinkie's "Okie Dokie Lokie" and Arale's "N'cha!"... and no one replied. So you get a lame "morning". -_-
Works for me ;)
7:54 AM
@rene yep mum's feed bucket lol
she's going to be ok. We're so lucky <3
@YvetteColomb cheers!
@ShadowWizard yay :)
@rene why since 5:30???
@ShadowWizard production run for a customer.
7:56 AM
you're very... dedicated.
What's the rush? Why not doing it in more... sane... schedule?
@ShadowWizard i read that as "you're very... delicate"
Starting so early probably makes you tired, so efficiency is hurt. No? @rene
@YvetteColomb this too, sure! :D
@ShadowWizard well, this conversion takes about 6 to 8 hours and the customer don't want to do it in the night or weekend. So when they come in I have to make sure everything is ready.
@YvetteColomb i still suspect foal play
as in a foal will be playing
@rene whoa... so why not split over two days?
8:03 AM
@Magisch don't be filly (baby girl foal)
@YvetteColomb the comparison behooves you (I got nothing) :p
Fun fact: @Derpy use the word "filly" frequently.
@ShadowWizard they go from an old system to my system in a day. They can't afford to not have access to their data for two days.
@Magisch hay, stop it with the puns :)
8:13 AM
@rene oh. "your system"... sounds nice. how much it cost? ;)
@YvetteColomb yeah, let's start with pens!
@ShadowWizard 50% of what they payed for their previous system. (that is our marketing strategy but in all honesty I don't do the contract negotiations so I don't know actual pricing)
@ShadowWizard I'll grass on you and @Magisch
@YvetteColomb don't saddle me with that responsibility
sd remove
sd remove
8:20 AM
@Magisch such unbridled thoughts
A: What are the rules for using "Nobody" and "Nopony"?

SPArchaeologistAs now, it is somehow unclear if a rule does even exist officially. Let me explain. From an external viewpoint, I am not aware of any official comment by the staff that would prove the existence of a written "style guide" that regulate the use of words like "....[pony]", using "hoof" instead of ...

@YvetteColomb we're fast galopping to the point where I can't think of any more horse puns
@Magisch stop making jumps
@YvetteColomb now you're just trotting out the easy ones
@Magisch I canter disagree
8:24 AM
@rene thanks for the rusk with mice :)
@rene wait... thought you're freelancer?
@JNat cross site frying pan spammer... unless you want their pan, better burn them all.... :D
@ShadowWizard I still am but I also co-own an IT-shop.
@rene ohh, nice.
8:39 AM
.... someone upvoted the answer I just linked. Weird, I see no new matching users on the site.
9:13 AM
@ShadowWizard at least its the two most appropriate sites
@JourneymanGeek loll.... True!
@ShadowWizard bluehole is preparing the lawsuit as we speak
Blue who?
makers of PUBG. They sued a mobile game developer over using frying pans as weapons in their battle royale spinoff
citing PUBG frying pans are "iconic" and "protected ip"
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9:25 AM
Can't say for PUBG, but L4D2 also has frying pans long before...
^ was her weapon of choice in Mario Rpg.
That means.... SNES era.
9:44 AM
@Magisch oh lol
@SomewhatMemorableName is this a robot from Star Wars?
Surely sounds like one..... :D
@Derpy looks like a mirror, not frying pan
@ShadowWizard left for dead 2
4 person co-op game by valve
I just love those shortcuts which I have no chance of ever guessing... :/
R2D2 is much better anyway. :P
the first game was called left for dead...
and people r lazy
Yeah, every two words become two letters
I'm honestly amazed the young generations can still read and write whole words.
I'm sure that amazement goes back as far as people could read and write whole words ;p
granted "universal" literacy is a relatively new concept
9:55 AM
nah, talking about the fact they're busy 24/7 writing "lol", "rofl' and silly icons on their phones...
That' pretty new.
Amusingly enough, there's a running joke over how often I say lol on chat
@JourneymanGeek but you also say more words... the "youngsters" don't.
@ShadowWizard welll...
I'm the second chattiest 'real' person on the main chat.
but communication... evolves
how you measure it? Who is first?
then look at activity
looks like smokey overtook Cerberus, but smokey is spammy ;p
10:02 AM
466k messages, impressive.
Nick rules here with 223k
...and I'm the only "mortal" in the first page. lol
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11:04 AM
Hi, can you help me? Is my question unclear, or why it does not get much attention for all these days? stackoverflow.com/questions/50865935/…
@modiX I think not that many users will host their own appstore. Last time I played with that was in 2011 and it was hard if not impossible and back then hardly documented.
@modiX Quesions often go unanswered until the right person comes across it. There are thousands of questions without answers, just waiting for the right person to come along and answer it, through no fault of the question itself.
@modiX Your question looks OK-ish to me and I guess is answerable for anyone who had done this before.
11:24 AM
Thanks for the feedback, I decided to add a bounty, hopefully anybody can find a way, I'm absolutely clueless why this does not work.
@modiX the icon needs to be hosted next to the location of the IPA IIRC
you have to have PNG version that's used as a temporary during the download until iOS can use the one inside the archive

The Frying Pan

Cooking.SE public chat
Spam!! :P
@ShadowWizard Aloha, I suspect ohana cooking
11:53 AM
@Mgetz That's what I did. It's hosted on the same domain.
Thus it cannot load it and will only load the image inside the archive when it's installed.
!!/coffee modi
@ShadowWizard brews a cup of Latte for @modi
12:11 PM
@modiX do you see attempts in the server log to fetch that image? It is running over https with a valid certificate, right? You can download that image yourself?
it's getting worse.... next people will start asking "Why I have low salary???"
12:25 PM
Why I have low salary???
12:45 PM
@rene because you're too gentle
Don't ask for more money, demand more money. :P
@ShadowWizard ..and check out which bus goes to the unemployment welfare office:)
@MartinJames hehe, well, @rene is already freelancer, so can't really be fired... ;)
@rene Thank you for the cup of Latte.
@rene The certificate is valid and I can access the image with the URL, of course.
@ShadowWizard I wanted to mention you for the Latte, Shadow Wizard :)
1:10 PM
lol np
1:28 PM
@modiX of course ... said that so many times ;)
@ShadowWizard Developers are not exactly known for their assertive tendencies when it comes to authority
@Mgetz too bad
@ShadowWizard What do you expect from a group of people that didn't even whimper when their jobs were outsourced
@Mgetz hmm? Who we talk about now?
@ShadowWizard exactly
2:02 PM
@ShadowWizard yes
@ShadowWizard sure
@ShadowWizard true
@rene boolean
@ShadowWizard logical
Secret SE employee found!
1 1 1 2
Posted in chat with 1 rep only...
New CM?
oh. No employee... "Even when this room is read-only or their reputation is too low, these users will be able to talk in this room."
Anyway, such a weird room.
2:13 PM
isn't that the localization bot?
@ShadowWizard remember what I said about Star stalk Tracker? ^_^'
@rene no idea, he has diamond on one site. Bot with diamond is... interesting concept. ;)
@Derpy sure! I ♥ Stalking
@rene oh. So he is SE employee and secret CM. Nice.
2:15 PM
or at least, he was secret. Until Shadow.
Aug 31 '17 at 12:28, by user315433
Jeff's secret identity.
darn, Norm...
Plot twist: Jeff is back to business as a Japanese CM.
Trying to make Stack Overflow Great Again, from the inside.
@ShadowWizard is this a joke about the 'Civil Discourse Construction Kit' failing?
@Mgetz joke about Trump in general, no idea about what you mentioned...
@ShadowWizard they've been around since jmac left
2:30 PM
Discourse.... Discourse... Discourse...
but I've never heard them mentioned anywhere, nor seen them anywhere
@ShadowWizard so the official name of Jeff's Discourse company was 'The Civil Discourse Construction Kit' IIRC
FR: Integrate Discourse on SE. ran away
@JourneymanGeek yeah, so no doubt a CM, but kept secret for some odd reason.
@ShadowWizard which is odd
2:31 PM
@SomewhatMemorableName say again
I've had contact with almost every CM
even the russian one
@JourneymanGeek maybe he's not good with English, so prefer to stick only on ja.SO and not be exposed to other sites where he'll be required to use English.
@ShadowWizard he has posted on Meta jaSO since its public beta
I'd almost wonder if bot ;p
@ShadowWizard well its possible, but kinda odd that its secret
@Mgetz lol! Sounds so weird... sure to fail as company name.
2:33 PM
Back then when they're doing Transifex localization
@SomewhatMemorableName arn't they still?
or is that why alexolut is quiet these days?
@JourneymanGeek alexolut is still active, for ruSO. But jaSO... few (no one?) cares about further localization
idk lol
I tend to stick to the less glam sites XD
Even some of the common ones are still not translated
2:40 PM
@SomewhatMemorableName maybe that is untranslatable ....
And apparently I missed the announcement of change in pro-tem mods on jaSO last month: Unarist out, nekketsuuu in
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@SomewhatMemorableName surely @Norm wouldn't have missed that..... :D
@ShadowWizard true... the ultimate SE news ticker has gone :(
@SomewhatMemorableName I've seen him on the assembly
2:46 PM
@JourneymanGeek under cover?
aka with some random name?
Thought he nuked all SE accounts this time, didn't bother to look to be honest.
He's still active on some sites under user4XX
user404 would be cool

 The Assembly

You know those boring town council meetings you never attend? ...
@SomewhatMemorableName flags post for being gibberish ...
2:50 PM
user reported a strange rate limit here: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/311563/…
in The Assembly on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, May 23 at 16:17, by user4412195
I suspect he doesn't... there is a mysterious 1-rep diamond aki, apparently an employee or at least a contractor who can help with Japanese translations.
err... how does the username on the onebox chosen? it's user665598 from OpenData.SE, but shown user4412195 here ._.
Norm's magic...
@SomewhatMemorableName that's the name used when posting the message. He changed names since then.
Like he's been doing for.... years?
@ShadowWizard ah you're right, it's shown on the transcript.
@ShadowWizard but this time, he didn't change his name. He changed the parent site :|
He's using the default userXXX on most (all?) of the sites now...
3:00 PM
@SomewhatMemorableName wrong
107 1 3 6
real id is 6247
Probably just choosing random numbers to... fool around?
ugh... confusing userXXX is confusing...
Best way to be anonymous around here, e.g. no idea who it really is, yeah.
Few will bother to dig in your past messages to find your past nick, or connect to what you said in the past.
This is the bot
@ShadowWizard apparently that's his SO user ID -_-
Mystery solved!!
in Localization Of Stack Overflow, 5 mins ago, by Nicolas Chabanovsky
Aki helps as a lot with SOja. She is not a CM but has most of a CM access on the site.
/cc @Derpy ^
Stalking completed.
Stalking completed.
3:09 PM
Mischief managed
(now I have to comply with GDPR! resetting brain...)
@SomewhatMemorableName and people say Cyberpunk distopias are fiction...
Got to go buy groceries... cya!
@ShadowWizard bring some ice cream!
@rene already have three (!) different kinds at home. If you want come over and I'll give some to you. :D
Now I'm really going!
3:14 PM
icecream for flowers
.... frozen sunlight?
Great, you scared poor OP away with your jetpack, @rene
Now I'm really really going!
@ShadowWizard Only three? My gelateria has 20 ...
I ate so much gelato those 8 weeks I spent in Italy... I probably shouldn't ever eat more again.
I made the fatal mistake of not checking that the iced coffee I bought was actually decaf
It was not and I noticed only after binging on 6 cups of it
3:33 PM
So... no sleep tonight?
@rene how possible is it to do a SEDE query to find out how many suggested edits people have by the time they reach 2000 reputation? I'm actually sort of curious if anyone has gotten the full 1000 reputation from suggested edits before they hit 2k.
well... it isn't possible to make a suggested edit after 2k, right?
so a count of suggested edits should be good enough
Actually, you can do them for Tag wikis.
They're both listed under "edit suggestions" on your profile page, so I'm not sure if they're tracked differently.
3:48 PM
ah, i wouldn't know, i have 0 suggestions in my profile :p
@Catija The anonymous editor might have.
But they don't get rep for it... which is the point.
@Catija hmm, the reputation history is a bit of a hassle but let me see if I can put something together
Thanks :D
@Catija a specific site you want to know it for?
4:02 PM
SO. I'm curious because of this: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/369870/…
Joe Friend on June 21, 2018

Back in late Spring, we posted “Stack Overflow Isn’t Very Welcoming. It’s Time for That to Change.” We know it’s all too common for companies to announce they really want to do a thing, and then… not much happens. So, it is time to share the work we’ve been doing behind the scenes and how our team of data scientists, developers, long term community managers, and UX specialists will continue iterating on our plans for the future.

This new workflow should help new askers craft questions more successfully with less stress. Each step gathers specific input that’s generally needed to help answerers. …

Ironically the example in that blog of what to ask is a horrible example
Sorry Joe but that question would still get closed ASAP
At least somethings are done
@Catija this is a start data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/865664 I'll still have to add the estimate for the reputation
4:17 PM
Honestly, it's been a long time for me to quickly open and read an SE blog post and had high expectation.
Instead of the unwelcoming blog post (quickly open and left with bitter feeling)
and the rest of SO Teams blog post etc (lazily open)
@Mgetz Isn't that just for the first part of the answer field? "Summarize the problem"... presumably moving through the other sections adds different details.
@Catija Overly broad thesis declarations in general result in over broad questions. There could be a thousand different places each for a different web framework. I'm trying to avoid nit picking that specific statement other than to say it's overly broad
Maybe I'm missing what you're talking about... the example in the yellow box with the green tick mark?
4:43 PM
@Catija yes
5:16 PM
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5:47 PM
@AnneDaunted Nope. I'm almost done fully going through all the anonymous edits and seeing which ones are mine, but there are more than 300 and fewer than 400 approved edits. To hit the cap, one needs to make 500 non-deleted suggested edits.
@Catija Maybe I should change my name back to "Ano", so you know who I am.
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog ... ? Why do you think that I don't?
6:02 PM
@Catija Because you used words that implied you didn't.
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog No... I didn't. The entire point of my query to rene was users who get 1000 rep from edit suggestions. Anonymous users don't earn rep for edit suggestions... as such, the point about the Anonymous Editor (you) didn't really relate to my query.
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog I thought you might have been a good candidate because you wrote "Even if I started off with a totally new account, I would eventually gain enough rep to edit them directly." For sure, doesn't mean you gained that rep solely through suggested edits, but it could've been.
6:19 PM
@AnneDaunted FAQ posts are Community Wiki, so I can get enough rep to edit them with just suggesting edits.
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