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hey

00:23

@JourneymanGeek except curiosity?

anyway, morning...

user391243

hallo!

hey

what's up, without diamond?

user391243

I have no diamond. I am graphite. I am a human being.

user391243

How's ya day goin?

hey

almost time for morning coffee...

user391243

00:32

I am also drinking (instant) coffee overnight...

user391243

Did you mistake me as the Community user? I am actually mulliganaceous

hey

Someone who starred your earlier post did...

Because the displayed name is cropped perfectly on here :)

user391243

Read my profile description.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

02:49

cv-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/310737/…

@Shog9 Can you please revisit this issue and see if you can come up with a fix?

Nog Shine

Looks like the bug in Google Analytics has solved. Only Area51 left.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

03:07

Alt

►

Nog Shine

Aah! puppets are back.

rene

07:21

→ 13 messages moved to Chimney

Shadow Wizard

@NogShine Area51 is always neglected

SmokeDetector

07:48

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: Is it possible to auto-follow posts on a Facebook group? by Emma on webapps.SE

Derpy

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog so, Sega has finally decided to do the game everyone was waiting for singe the Genesis era?

Sonic VS Muppets?

Shadow Wizard

@SmokeDetector k

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

08:09

@Derpy No, one of their own took on it themselves.

Derpy

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog I think that the Tails Doll was already officially recognized as honorary Muppet character...

Shadow Wizard

08:27

!!/report meta.stackexchange.com/a/310743/152859

email hidden in link "source" ^

@JNat not sure this time, but this user appears to be a spammer who was inactive for long time. Please see his "answer" on MSE, in the very least it's some troll, even if not spammer. What you think?

Won't be surprised if that user spammed in the past, can't really know though.

Shadow Wizard

08:42

!!/welcome Alex

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizard Welcome to Tavern on the Meta @Alex! I'm SmokeDetector, a bot that detects spam and offensive posts on the network, and posts alerts to chat. You can find more about me on the Charcoal website.

Shadow Wizard

So polite.

!!/coffee Bart

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizard brews a cup of Mocha for @Bart

Shadow Wizard

//status

user359686

Started Wed, 30 May 22:31:25.0386 2018 CEST (GMT +0200) (running for 0 days, 12 hours, 12 minutes, and 30 seconds.)
Message status
Username:                                  - Message count
πάντα ῥεῖ (186472)                         - 371
Shadow Wizard (152859)                     - 276
Mgetz (226653)                             - 216
Catija (284336)                            - 178
hey (241919)                               - 159
Shog9 (811)                                - 153
Journeyman Geek (135565)                   - 130

Shadow Wizard

08:44

@πάνταῥεῖ how dare you be on top of me! :D

@PrincessLuna why doesn't it include users like @user134300? ^^

He has recent messages: chat.meta.stackexchange.com/users/134300/user134300?tab=recent

Princess Luna

The bot's probably offline when they're online

It can only register while online, and there have been a few database losses (autosaving exists now though, should minimize the problem)

All though that's gotta be one hell of a chain of coincidences to repeatedly be offline when they're online

hey

@PrincessCelestia hi

user359686

@hey How can I //help?

hey

!!/welcome SmokeDetector

SmokeDetector

@hey Welcome to Tavern on the Meta @SmokeDetector! I'm SmokeDetector, a bot that detects spam and offensive posts on the network, and posts alerts to chat. You can find more about me on the Charcoal website.

Princess Luna

08:58

@PrincessCelestia All though that says 12 hours and 12 minutes, which means I started it a little over 10, which should add up. The WS crashed on Twitch which blocked Discord from being initialized, I'd guess meta got blocked as well?

user359686

@PrincessLuna How can I //help?

hey

... let me test this once, but I'll probably get kicked

!!/welcome PrincessCelestia

SmokeDetector

@hey Welcome to Tavern on the Meta @PrincessCelestia! I'm SmokeDetector, a bot that detects spam and offensive posts on the network, and posts alerts to chat. You can find more about me on the Charcoal website.

user359686

@SmokeDetector How can I //help?

user359686

@PrincessLuna Updated user status

Princess Luna

08:59

To avoid infinite looping

Nog Shine

09:25

@ShadowWizard Not more than mobile web

Shadow Wizard

09:50

@NogShine much more. Unless you mean mobile apps?

Nog Shine

@ShadowWizard Only mobile web.

Shadow Wizard

@NogShine it got lots of work in recent years, and now with Responsive Design coming, it will become obsolete anyway.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard well, I get the impression A51 has a ton of technical debt

Shadow Wizard

e.g. mobile chat was plain horrible and unuseable, @balpha improved it a lot couple of years ago. Still not perfect, but x100 better than before.

Journeyman Geek

and at some point, we'll reach near peak sites.

Shadow Wizard

09:54

@JourneymanGeek debt?

It's just... behind.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard basically so much old stuff piled up that any attempt to fix things will need a massive rewrite

aka, your Devs go EEEK! before your users

rene

10:11

@ShadowWizard 6 to 8 years behind then ...

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek yup

@rene yup

Shadow Wizard

10:30

@Pëkka yup

rene

10:41

Luring Pëkka back in?

Shadow Wizard

Of course

Derpy

10:57

^ does this count for luring both Infinite and Telkitty back?

Shadow Wizard

@Derpy nope

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ too bad

Nzall

Question: how do we report users who are using their profile to facilitate spam?

Rene Lopez, Atlanta, GA, United States

11 2

micsthepick

PM the site mods generally

Nzall

Like, I can't see any way on their profile page to report them

I flagged their one post for moderator attention while stating that they're trying to sell sex dolls on their profile. I assume that's enough?

micsthepick

that should do good

Mithrandir

11:03

Yes. That's how you do it.

Nzall

@micsthepick PM? I'm not aware of any way to send private messages to other users, unless you mean flagging for moderator intervention

Well, now it's just waiting for the mods for Chinese Language to respond

micsthepick

in "The Sphinx's Lair", you can often find users pinging moderators with links to spam profiles

that is what I meant by PM

Nzall

is that a chatroom on meta?

micsthepick

no, on main

in The Sphinx's Lair on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 2 hours ago, by Mithrandir

@Rubio https://puzzling.stackexchange.com/users/49693/fredglenn

however, raising a custom mod flag, where possible is a great option

Nzall

but there isn't really any way to report someone when they haven't made a post yet, or when they have made a post but it's been moderated without the mod noticing the user is spam?

Mithrandir

11:07

The Sphinx's Lair is the main Puzzling.SE chatroom. Generally, when a user has posts, it's better to raise a custom flag on the post. Pinging mods about issues is generally discouraged, but TSL is a but of exception.

Nzall

Like, ideally it should be the entire network profile that should just be removed because I doubt they're going to turn from a spam user into a normal user

Mithrandir

@Nzall Not really. It's not the biggest deal, either - there's no requirement to nuke the users, although it's helpful.

Nzall

@Mithrandir Just moderating the posts leaves the user to later spam again, or even spam other sites

and I also don't really see a reason to keep pure spam users around

Especially when they're using their bio and website fields to spam

Shadow Wizard

@Nzall that's not a spam user. The one answer that user posted appears to be legit. Profile is indeed spammy and NSFW and should be reset by a moderator, but as long as the user won't put the spam back there or post spam answers/questions, it's fine.

People can claim Jon Skeet is spammer because he advertise his book in his profile.

Profile can be used to advertise your own products. But not when it's NSFW or abusive for others.

(in my opinion)

Nzall

And what about all the people who won't be able to join the community because they're terrible at making helpful and constructive co-- ... oh.

why do I get a feeling this is appropriate to post?

Shadow Wizard

11:14

hehe

Derpy

@Nzall don't bother, reported abusive account picture/avatar about 1 month ago, still pending.

Until they create a better way to report them, it is not worth the time. You will only clog an already clogged queue

Shadow Wizard

@Derpy reminds me of my custom flagging on MSE

MSE too, I guess?

JNat

@ShadowWizard gone; thanks

Derpy

@ShadowWizard yep

Shadow Wizard

@JNat cheers!

@JNat while you're here and since you're... well... responsive, can you please reset this profile to get rid of the NSFW stuff in there? Thanks! (site mods might take some time until they notice the flags.) (same with their SO Profile, others are fine)

JNat

11:20

@ShadowWizard seems to be their only activity; deleted the answer, and cleared sessions. If you stumble upon any further similar behavior, lemme know and I'll nuke it

Shadow Wizard

@JNat thanks!

oh you reset already, coool. :D

@Nzall you can keep an eye over that Lopez, and if NSFW spam is back, next step should be suspending or nuking the account.

hehe, just thought of something. @JNat is like a Joker in cards game. Each site got its own Ace cards, but JNat is the joker above them all. :P

JNat

Well, we all oversee all sites, so... ;P

we're all jokers, I guess

Shadow Wizard

Joker Team!

Finally, proper character to put instead or in addition to diamond for a CM: 🃏

oh, so small. Will need bigger font.

hey

11:36

I want to subtly spam on my profile...

Shadow Wizard

@hey go ahead!

loading flag in canon

@hey so, what will be your next name?

Back to your real self? :/

Derpy

@JNat Please, update your avatar:

Shadow Wizard

Nice ^

hey

@ShadowWizard still dunno...

I remembered I had an idea back then, but then I forgot since I still had to wait 4 days

Derpy

@ShadowWizard you said he is a "joker", then the avatar should reflect that. Red Joker Noise form, to be precise

Shadow Wizard

11:40

@hey you can find somebody else to play that game with... though these days only Jeremy appears to change name often. :(

hey

hm.. something about being "exclusive"..? I think I'll check the saved image for next avatar on my home computer later...

Shadow Wizard

> Initiating Finalized Noise will transform Mega Man to either Black Ace or Red Joker, depending on the version that is being played

@hey hmm? What saved image?

Since Jeremy now use White as avatar, you can use Black. And decode his username somehow. ;)

Derpy

@ShadowWizard This would be Black Ace

Shadow Wizard

Red Joker is better.

Journeyman Geek

@JNat in more ways than one

Shadow Wizard

12:16

!!/tea yagmoth

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizard brews a cup of lemon tea for @yagmoth

Shadow Wizard

oh lemon!

rene

rlemon?

Shadow Wizard

Lemon written with R language

lol! cran.r-project.org/web/packages/lemon/index.html

Tempted to start a new bug: "Lemon is too sour". :D

Derpy

@ShadowWizard Actually, Lemon and Sour are separate characters.

Shadow Wizard

12:25

@Derpy do both appear here?

Derpy

depends. Neither of them would have an official pony counterpart.

Mgetz

@ShadowWizard "Closed whiskey not defined"

Shadow Wizard

@Derpy oh

@Mgetz lol

yagmoth555

lemon tea, cool :), hehe

SmokeDetector

13:24

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in answer, potentially bad keyword in answer: Why is beat described as a "relatively slow amplitude-modulation of oscillation"? by stuart on physics.SE

JNat

@JourneymanGeek ಠ_ಠ

2

Shadow Wizard

Joker face? ^

Better than Poker Face.... :D

Derpy

13:41

(... discovered some days ago that Kotobukiya will make some MLP figures. Can't really say what I think about that. )

Shadow Wizard

Looks like they already do. (i.e. not "will make" :))

Derpy

14:05

@ShadowWizard not out yet.

And yep, I am wondering if they will indeed use the anime design from the fan made art they referenced.

If I remember correctly, the same artist did designs for all the mane six, including one for Twily. Also again if I remember correctly, the Twily one was based on the old "human Twilight should be asian" theme (don't ask why someone had that idea. I don't know. Maybe the hair style?) and therefore would probably end up in a weird figure of Twilight with almond-shaped eyes.

Mgetz

@Derpy tbf the equestria girls didn't help this

Derpy

@Mgetz ? Equestria Girl is still flash based. Most characters reuse the same body puppet model so every member of the mane seven has the exact same body / face shape.

There are some difference in the eye shape, but they are mostly to be found in the eyebrows (except for Fluttershy eyes, which probably are the odd ones in the group)

It is not like anything in Twilight official EG suggest she should be considered to have Asiatic face features

Shadow Wizard

@Derpy asian, not asiatic

> As with Oriental, the use of Asiatic in referring to the peoples and cultures of Asia sounds conspicuously dated in contemporary American English, tending to evoke the prejudicial and offensive stereotypes of an earlier era. The preferred ethnic term is now clearly Asian. In most other contexts, however, as in Asiatic Russia or the Asiatic elephant, the term remains a neutral geographic descriptor that need not automatically be replaced with Asian

Think you said it properly before, why Asiatic in last message? (Just wonder :))

Derpy

14:20

@ShadowWizard because firefox spellchecker is too eager to help

Shadow Wizard

oh... burn it with fire then. ;)

Derpy

and now it is to late to fix

Shadow Wizard

nah it's not that bad, it's obvious you didn't know.

Derpy

also, English is not my first language, so I didn't even know there was a difference

oh, well, at least I learned something.

Shadow Wizard

@Derpy I knew it's different, but not how exactly until I looked for this now. So we both learned. :D

Derpy

14:23

that said, back to the original topic - yep, I don't know why someone started the Asian Twilight thing.

hey

PPG Z...

Shadow Wizard

@Derpy appears to be personal initiative/opinion of some fans, e.g. miirkat.deviantart.com/art/Twilight-Sparkle-264033008

Derpy

@hey I think that the PPG Z design was based on a fan made comic cross over between Dexter Lab and the PPG.

Shadow Wizard

(which indeed looks asian ^^)

hey

Oh, never mind, Asian Twilight reminds me of...... uh... erm.... Stocking....

Shadow Wizard

14:29

Some related reddit discussion: reddit.com/r/mylittlepony/comments/12v2an/…

hey

cue 'You're so uncouth'...

Shadow Wizard

@hey first Google result: (only Asian Twilight!)

Justin Chon

Justin Jitae Chon (born May 29, 1981) is an American actor, director, and YouTube personality. He is best known for portraying Eric Yorkie in The Twilight Saga film series, for his critically acclaimed 2017 film Gook, and for being a member of the K-pop parody group Boys Generally Asian. == Early life == Chon was born in Garden Grove, California and raised in Irvine, California. Chon is of Korean descent. His father, Sang Chon, was an actor in South Korea, and later a shoe store owner in Paramount, California. His mother is an accomplished pianist. Chon attended University High School, followed...

@hey nah, this is beyond uncouth, be glad Derpy didn't flag.... yet... :)

Anyway, can't beat The Twilight Saga film series, not a fair fight. But adding "pony" solves this. :)

hey

Who doesn't want to watch The Twilight Pony Saga film series!?

Derpy

I am fully aware of that anime series. But I shall add that "reminds me of" is to be considered invalid whenever anime come in discussion.

The clones are many.

hey

well, only from the color theme and hair (I'm shortsighted)

Shadow Wizard

14:37

@hey me. ;)

Derpy

^ should say all.

hey

oh yeah, a poor asker...

-6

Q: Did "Fairy Tail" plagiarize "One Piece"?

As shown in the following pictures, there are so many similar scenes/character designs with One Piece: Isn't this considered plagiarism?

one-piece fairy-tail

Derpy

At least they didn't notice that Lucy stole Colette dress. Or the opposite. Don't know which existed before.

Mgetz

@hey I'm not sure copyright wise it matters if they did, quite a lot of japan is fiscally integrated. The old joke is Japan Inc.

Derpy

@Mgetz that said, it would be interesting to see if Shanks "pressure" haki technique pre-date the Fairy Tail Gildarts return to town scene.

Mgetz

14:45

It's pretty much the same situation in large part in the US music industry. The lack of a public domain of contemporary music means that everybody is technically infringing on everybody. But because the industry is owned by a few major players it doesn't matter because they aren't going to sue themselves.

Derpy

because if that is not the case... Oda returned the favor.

Mgetz

See what I just said... it likely doesn't matter anyway

Derpy

Never said it mattered.

@ShadowWizard argh, that was at "What is Hermione Granger's ethnicity?" levels.

Not really trusting anything in those arguments.

The only thing that would make sense would probably be Asian Pinkie.

Because Shibuya / Akihabara / Harajuku

Shog9

I understand nothing in this room today. It's like trying to follow the Ruby room transcript.

Shadow Wizard

!!/welcome Oded!

SmokeDetector

14:56

@ShadowWizard Welcome to Tavern on the Meta @Oded!! I'm SmokeDetector, a bot that detects spam and offensive posts on the network, and posts alerts to chat. You can find more about me on the Charcoal website.

Shadow Wizard

@Derpy which is good or bad?

Oded

Dunno what you are talking about, @Shog9 - it makes perfect sense.

o/ everyone

Derpy

@Shog9 Recap: your chatroom was ponified while the staff wasn't looking and now the chat room topic is MLP

Shadow Wizard

@Shog9 Pony Yourself and you'll get it all

hey

@Shog9 how about Maths.SE wants to know more about Triage and H&I?

Derpy

14:57

@ShadowWizard probably a little too overthinking, even for me.

Oded

One Piece vs Fairy Tail? Should get on with times and check out My Hero Academy or someting :P

Shadow Wizard

@Oded knew there's a pony hidden inside you! :D

hey

too many musid ID requests from My Hero Academy and Tokyo Ghoul:re...

Oded

heh. Been rewatching Bleach recently. Forgot how good it was.

Derpy

@Oded you too.

Martin James

14:59

@hey Tell them that if they want those queues, they have to take the close vote and pending edit queues too.

rene

@MartinJames Oh, that is not a bad idea. We simple send the SO close vote review tasks to all sites in the network.

Journeyman Geek

Hi

hey

Hi

Oded

Hi

rene

Hi

Kevin B

15:12

🚽

3

Derpy

N'Cha!

Journeyman Geek

ah, good to see you again @Oded. Its been a while

2

Derpy

^ and with this one @ShadowWizard I am officially of to search a picture of Sci Twilight dressed as Arale.

Catija

15:36

Oh! Hey, Oded! :D YAY!

πάντα ῥεῖ

@Oded Hi

Derpy

status-not-yellow-enough

Catija

Yellow?

Derpy

^ I will let my student @ShadowWizard answer this one.

Catija

Coldplay - Yellow

►

Derpy

15:47

come on, @ShadowWizard, time to show what you learned at Friendship School.

Catija

@Derpy This is confusing on so many levels.

Derpy

oh, don't worry. Just associating the word "Yay" with Fluttershy

And 'Shy is indeed yellow.

On an unrelated notice....

To whoever sent an opt-out mail that didn't contain his/her full name and info: you may want to follow this. Perhaps it is just me, but it sound somehow worrisome

Journeyman Geek

opt out from?

Derpy

Arbitration

6

A: To refuse arbitration, give us your name and address

Well, you can't sue someone anonymously, or even ask them to arbitration anonymously. If a legal action from Jonathan Q. Public is initiated, we'd need to be able to check if Jonathan had indeed opted out. This gets particularly mucky because I want to help here, but I can't offer you legal advi...

Journeyman Geek

ah

tbh that sounds like common sense to me

Derpy

16:03

maybe, but if Tim said before "just add your profile link, we will do the rest", I would hope they would cross reference my info they already have from my login info, swag data and such.

It seems that it may be not the case.

So I am warning people that a second mail could be needed

Catija

@Derpy You're assuming a lot, though... my account doesn't have my real name associated with it anywhere.

Derpy

> Hello,
Your request has been processed, and there's nothing else needed on your part. Let us know if you need anything else.
Regards,
Stack Overflow Team

Considering that my mail ended with....

Journeyman Geek

@Derpy that actually sounds scary

Derpy

> Please, let me know if further details are needed or if I need to take any other action.

Journeyman Geek

cause literally swag shipping information is used to ship swag and nothing else.

and until a point I actually think they used your username...

Derpy

16:05

It is so unpolite from me to think that should they have needed some data I forgot to add they would ask for it?

anyway, having to go for now. Later.

Catija

@JourneymanGeek And they ask for it every time, so it's not even clear that they keep it on file anywhere.

Journeyman Geek

Well, they literally need just enough to know who you are, in terms of the site, and legally.

@Catija yup

Oded

Dragged away for work... and now, heading home...

Laters all

Mithrandir

\o

user359686

o/

Journeyman Geek

16:24

\o

user359686

o/

πάντα ῥεῖ

o/

user359686

\o

Catija

\o/

rene

|O|

Journeyman Geek

16:29

\   /
  X===>
/   \

πάντα ῥεῖ

@Catija I'd expected PC would answer with that: /o\

Shog9

@JourneymanGeek is that... zardoz?

Journeyman Geek

....X wing?

I thought a few of your co-workers were somewhat... traumatised by Zadoz?

Shog9

I'm not hep to all your funky symbols

@JourneymanGeek you misspelled "enamored"

Journeyman Geek

@Shog9 Not the impression I get, no

Shog9

16:34

extreme admiration can be difficult to handle

Catija

I wasn't sure how to parse the part in the middle...

Shog9

arm with a gun

πάντα ῥεῖ

Like the teachers?

Catija

I was trying to see it as a dog...

Journeyman Geek

sometimes it overflows the integer

naw, ^^ is as close to a ASCII dog emote that I go

rene

16:38

I see nothing in it but that is mere my lack of imagination ...

Journeyman Geek

and the fact that you're a flower

Catija

Some flowers have eyes...

Journeyman Geek

as do most potatos

Catija

Like the Black-eyed Susan:

πάντα ῥεῖ

@Catija Interesting Rudbeckia is called the same as what I know that to be:

Magisch

16:47

My favorite flower is the rene flower....

Methinks it's an oxeye daisy

Catija

They seem to have a lot more petals than the five on rene's flower.

πάντα ῥεῖ

I once guessed rene's might be jasmine. But it's too blurry :P

Journeyman Geek

I thought rene's a out of focus daisy

naw, not jasmin

Mgetz

@πάνταῥεῖ Flowers, the only safe for work reproductive organs you can display on your desk

Journeyman Geek

the petals are pointy, and they never have the yellow centre

Catija

16:53

Google Images really wants it to be a plumeria... but it's not.

πάντα ῥεῖ

We could place a question at SE Gardening and Landscaping :3

rene

@πάνταῥεῖ IIRC that has already been done.

Shog9

0

Q: Should "Very Low Quality" flags be offloaded entirely to tag experts?

Some of the Stack Overflow moderators were having (yet another) discussion about what makes "not an answer" fundamentally different from "very low quality", since the prior implies the latter in a significant number of cases. Since Stack Overflow can easily hover at close to a thousand pending fl...

discussion flags low-quality-posts moderator-abilities

Relevant to some recent conversations here...

Catija

Ooof.

πάντα ῥεῖ

@rene I'd suspected so :D

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