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5:02 PM
@Shog9 It's an interesting thought ... worth considering and troubleshooting.
 
also, unlike the golden dupehammer, its not mandatory and unilateral...
which kinda sounds like it might be worth trying out, and folks wouldn't be too scared to use it
 
My main concern would be tags that lack reviewers.
 
well, then the normal processes would be in play?
 
Failover to mods?
... maybe if the queue wasn't exclusive of mods but it kept the flags for a day or two rather than just an hour?
 
yup
or if something was unhandled or ambigious
 
5:07 PM
Some new auto-flags, I guess?
 
well some flags are already delayed no?
VLQ and such
 
Right, but only an hour on SO and 15 minutes everywhere else... so the mechanic already exists, it's a matter of making the delay longer.
 
cant they just add some moderators ? the job seem exhausting already
 
But how you target it at badge holders and get them to actually review would be more complicated... right now, the LQP queue goes into one huge bucket. This would require creating logic to divide it up between the users who actually have a badge in something... but I think SO has that to a degree... you can choose to do close votes in a specific tag... or is that something SOBotics did...
 
@yagmoth555 I think at some point, it stops scaling
 
5:11 PM
@yagmoth555 That ignores the problem... there's no way to have mods who are experts in all technologies that SO covers...
 
and in this case - it means folks who know the tag can handle things first
 
But they already have the experts... in the form of badge holders. You don't need to be a mod to determine these things.
 
@Catija good point, for specialist in a tag. I had in mind the mod already need a lot of time to check all queues.
 
@Shog9 And now I actually did some VLQ reviews
 
@JourneymanGeek oh ok
 
5:14 PM
@yagmoth555 SO has something like... 20 mods
and a significantly larger userbase than the other sites...
 
@JourneymanGeek yeah, but I would wonder I much users use DV to auto-moderate the site vs the time a flag get handled to erase bad content
 
@JourneymanGeek 25
 
@Catija close enough? ;p
 
like DV and delete vote vs the mod erasing it
 
Most of the time, downvotes are the correct response. Many NAA flags are cast on answers that are technically incorrect but are still attempts to answer the question.
 
5:16 PM
@yagmoth555 I actually suspect organised deletions happen a lot more here than elsewhere
 
@yagmoth555 The vast majority, you don't get downvote banned
 
for most part people just close and let roomba handle it, unless there's some story behind it
I for one rarely delete things unless its spam
 
yeah, I wonder why ppl flag then, escpecially if a low rep user flag because he can't DV, how can he know it's a VLQ? (I don't talk spam or other flag)
 
Well, its a bit ambigious but some answers are actually ... not answers
 
@yagmoth555 I recall I flagged because I perceived them as less damaging to me than votes
 
5:21 PM
also I'm clearly not awake enough and was talking questions
 
@Mgetz oh yeah, I see, it make sense
 
@yagmoth555 it was safe until I later got flag banned during the great close vote burndown because I had more than the allotted number of flags declined although they were ancient
 
@Mgetz "less damaging to me" :(
that's kinda...
I usually flag/DV cause its the right thing
 
@JourneymanGeek The flags were IMO the right thing, but when you're a low rep user you don't exactly have rep overflowing to DV
 
true
its 125 tho?
ohh, you mean losing the rep
I figure if its worth DVing it'll go away and you'll get it back
 
5:27 PM
@JourneymanGeek my experience is that's not the case, I've never gotten rep back from a downvoted post
 
@Mgetz I kinda used flag like you at first, until I seen for the first time the close vote option at 3k, I didn't knew it existed long time ago, hehe
 
even one later deleted
 
@Mgetz I often do
but I literally don't care about rep any more ;)
 
@yagmoth555 I generally CV now and reserve DV for really bad answers or questions
@JourneymanGeek I wish I was the same, but I'm not
I don't have enough positive reputation flow for that to be the case
 
@Mgetz the two main sites I'm actively active on are more than 30K
 
5:30 PM
@JourneymanGeek I'm not even close to that, I'm 4k on SO and barely out of the gate everywhere else
 
@Mgetz when I bothered though... one upvote 'buys' me about 10 dvs ;)
and I HNQed once or twice
 
HNQed is cool, happened only once to me
 
@JourneymanGeek If I answered more I'd have more rep, but I usually just defer unless I have the answer plainly and it doesn't require research. SO is so downvote happy that even good answers can get downvoted because people disagree with them even if you have experts commenting it's the right answer.
 
only once that i recall here
 
@JourneymanGeek HNQ'd?
 
5:32 PM
@Mgetz I was trying to hit 1 answer a day
@Mgetz one of your posts is on a hot network question
 
Yeah that's never happened to me
 
251
A: My cat sat on my laptop, now the right side of my keyboard types the wrong characters

AibobotThat's the standard tenkeyless Num Lock key layout found on many PCs. Turn off Num Lock - on my Lenovo, it's Fn + F10, but the combination may vary by manufacturer.

this is my 'alt' account I use on untrusted PCs
 
(and I've bountied out 700 rep off it)
I posted the original rev of that answer in 30 s
then went and improved it
 
TL;DR: my own introverted ways make me risk adverse and that leads to less participation
 
5:35 PM
@Mgetz some people just DV... stuff all the time
you just put your head down, and keep at posting awesome things
 
That was especially funny coming up here, where I am watching Start Trek NG when Data tried to teach his cat Spot to get off his input panel :D
 
Sometimes you play bubble bobble. Sometimes its Dark Souls ;)
 
Dark Soils sounds interesting...
 
@JourneymanGeek Riiiiiight (I'm still amazed I get upvotes for that...)
 
hey
The hardest (gardening) game: Dark Soils
 
5:37 PM
yup
"Your plants have died"
 
"It's not cheating if you can't win otherwise"
 
@JohnDvorak I'm going to attribute that to James T. Kirk even though I know he didn't say it
I'm pretty sure what he said was something to the effect of: If it's a no win scenario, change the scenario so you can win
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, blacklisted website in answer: do not upload files from the client to the local server by Aidan Romero on unix.SE
 
hey
5:46 PM
"The only winning move, is to change the rule."
 
*rules
 
@hey I seem to be stuck with "wargames" : "The only way to win is not to play"
 
That's true with zero sum games
 
There are too many bad players in these "games".
:(
 
So stop focusing on them ;)
 
5:56 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ I'm reminded of DnD where new players like to powergame early on to avoid death.
 
I was more minded about Syria, Jemen, Mali, Afghanistan, etc. than DnD :-/
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: How can I remove last characters from file name by DaveHuman on superuser.com
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Ah... Yeah I can't comment without getting political on that. Even if my comment is based in reality. Because at the moment, the definition of reality is political.
 
That it is, yes.
And there are bad players at work ATM.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ aye, when some players don't care about winning, they only care about destroying the board entirely without anyone noticing it's going to go really bad.
 
6:08 PM
The most things we've been learning as children were coming as gameplay.
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, blacklisted website in answer: wget issue with ftp download - numbering added and No such file ‘0 myfile.tar’ by Jesus Pinte on serverfault.com
 
6:30 PM
@YvetteColomb Please note that SE employees don't generally respond to bounties. For better ways to get attention for requests that require their attention, I suggest looking at meta.stackexchange.com/questions/306397/…
 
6:42 PM
You're assuming she dosen't know that
as opposed to getting it attention
which is very much a point of a bounty
 
My eyeballs
Someone needs to break that down into discrete components. I don't know if that monolith belongs in a single Q&A.
 
@JourneymanGeek In my answer to that, I quoted an SE employee who said that it's better to contact SE rather than put a bounty if one wants official attention: meta.stackexchange.com/a/300825/377214
 
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog dosen't necessarily need to be 'official'
 
we had years of feature requests and bounties on MSE before I finally tackled Haney in a town hall meeting to get console visualization implemented
 
@JourneymanGeek Did you see the bounty reason?
 
6:46 PM
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog yup
 
@canon Exactly, the bounties didn't work, only directly contacting an SE employee worked
 
mhmm
 
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog on the other hand, that literally is somewhat discouraged in many cases, and dosen't scale
 
@JourneymanGeek Did you see the staff answer I linked, which suggests contacting SE?
 
ymmv
 
hey
6:48 PM
Last time I contacted SE, they didn't reply ¯_(ツ)_/¯
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in link text in body: How do I fix my iPhone 5s? by FemtoComm on apple.SE
 
> In any event, you're welcome to leave a bounty for any reason that you wish - just know that it isn't mandatory in order to make sure we see something that might have fallen through the cracks.
which is kinda... also the thing here
also > Get more feedback from the community on a particular discussion or feature-request,
 
@hey You'd probably need to wait another 6-8 whatever :3
 
hey
Or, to put it from another perspective, is there any proof/statistic that contacting SE will improve the chance of getting response on meta?
 
i mean... the more times you try, the more opportunities exist for it to occur. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
6:50 PM
or a response at all.
 
It worked for me
 
Or being ignored as a grouser
 
And do note that my answer previously contained a suggestion to ping an employee in chat, which I removed after much discussion from the community, but I still stand by because it works.
 
5 mins ago, by Kevin B
ymmv
 
@Rachel In most cases, pinging one of us in the Tavern is probably a bit more productive than spending rep that's probably going to go nowhere. :) But we'll try. It's an imperfect system either way. — Adam Lear ♦ May 19 '13 at 2:20
 
hey
6:57 PM
I'm going to contact SE to fix SE mobile app. Wish me luck.
 
@JourneymanGeek ^^
@hey Sarcasm, isn't it?
 
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog in 2013
workflows have changed a lot
 
hey
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog no?
 
@JourneymanGeek Not to mention the scale is bigger.
 
6:59 PM
Tim Post's answer which suggests contacting SE was posted in 2017
 
Contacting is not the same as pinging someone specific in the Tavern.
 
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog well, we typically email or use contact us
There's a few situations were we try to ping a CM but those are actual emergencies
 
user310756
@JourneymanGeek correct
 
So, I'm trying to figure out if i.stack.imgur is unblocked
 
hey
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ does the above image appear?
 
7:09 PM
Is it an annoying loading spinner?
Shucks
I thought for a minute the censors turned human
I could swear they were unblocked for a while yesterday
Server reboots?
 
eh
lol. That's a nice thing about having a server elsewere...
 
Hey @Journeyman
 
though more or less its in europe so I can either get around my ISP's periodic incompetance/censorship or see how GDPR related oddness is like
 
Apparently, part of reddit is unblocked so gotta give it to them for at least trying
@JourneymanGeek "it's". Some things haven't changed
 
no, they have not
to my defence, its 3 am in the morning. Not that I wouldn't make the same mistake at a more sensible time
 
7:14 PM
@Yvette seeing you reminded me of a horrifying thing a horse did today
1 min ago, by M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ
@JourneymanGeek "it's". Some things haven't changed
I'm not gonna say it cause it haunting me is enough
 
See? Didn't even notice.
 
@JourneymanGeek on the plus side, you own something that owns 3 a.m.
Paranormal Activity
 
and I got one more day of this
 
@JourneymanGeek after 'this', you will reach the conclusion that our biological clocks are important and you need to live a healthy lifestyle?
 
user310756
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ oh don't tell me. I avoid the news and horror
 
7:19 PM
naw, I have 2 days off, 2 day shifts, 3 days off, 2 night shifts, ....
 
@YvetteColomb well, it's not even gonna be in the local news here
 
@YvetteColomb Especially since there seems to more of the latter :-/
 
@πάνταῥεῖ watch Romance/Comedy instead
 
Doin' all day :P
 
@Derpy yup FUS RO YAY is ancient knowledge.
May 28 '14 at 13:55, by SPArchaeologist
@ShadowWizard Don't make me use Fus Ro Yay ^_^
/cc @Catija ^
 
7:22 PM
@Sha where's your avatar hosted?
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ so... when I get a different job that dosen't need me to be on shift
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ somewhere that you block
 
wouldn't uploading an image be enough to see if istackimgr was blocked?
 
(aka imgur)
 
@ShadowWizard well the weird thing is it's not blocked
 
7:23 PM
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ his is on imgur. Mine's on gravatar
 
Gravatar isn't blocked for you? @M.A.R.
 
@ShadowWizard nope
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ maybe they put the block on and off
 
hey
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ possibly locally cached while it's unblocked
 
AKA not yet
@hey huh, yep
She's cute! :)
 
7:25 PM
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ horse?
 
@ShadowWizard yeah
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ what did the horse do?
 
Geez, do you really wanna know?
Put a leash on that curiosity
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ yes
 
hey
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ yelling "you're so uncouth"?
 
7:27 PM
Context: I found out about this when I heard loud weeping noises outside the hospital after dialysis
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ tried once, she broke the leash
 
Horses rarely to bad things, it's the people who do
 
hey
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ I.... uh, what?
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ 0_0
 
@ShadowWizard Don't have a lion for a cat?
 
7:28 PM
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ the horse was alone?
@hey what part? I can explain some.
(not horse though)
 
@πάνταῥεῖ trying to imagine how did an 18-yo piss off the horse so bad
 
@Mgetz lion? Cat? #isLost
 
hey
@ShadowWizard certainly not the horse whose got dialysis?
 
@ShadowWizard "Curiosity killed the cat" sorry its an english/americanism
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ trying to ride a horse that doesn't want it can piss the horse pretty badly... ;)
 
hey
7:29 PM
yesterday, by Journeyman Geek
@Mgetz cats kill anything.
but not curiosity
 
@hey maybe the horse did! Good point.
 
@Mgetz Cool band also :3
 
@hey curiosity is the apex predator
 
@hey curiosity developed anti-cat defenses a long time ago
 
@Mgetz oh, I know this one... but how is lion related? :)
 
7:30 PM
Thankfully, he's off planet
 
@ShadowWizard Lion => large cat that could easily break a leash
 
19
Q: Curiosity fell over the cliff (aka what happened here??)

Shadow WizardOnce upon a time there was a user named Curiosity. That user got fair share of questions with what appears to be fair upvotes: Examples: one, two, three Then came this question where a user posted a comment that might have offended our Curious user: Good chances that he/she chose ...

/cc @Mgetz ^
 
@ShadowWizard that's gonna cost NASA
 
hey
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ I see what you did there...
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ alien horse?!
 
7:32 PM
@hey yes, thank you! Finally, some science guy
 
maybe he got kicked so hard he's in orbig, but his wimpering isn't
 
@Mgetz some cats are way stronger than any lion. :D
 
Bill Hey the science guy
 
@ShadowWizard I'm aware but not everybody knows about them
 
hey
@ShadowWizard [tag:curiosity]
 
7:33 PM
Who is Bill?
 
@ShadowWizard this is more complicated than I thought
 
@hey LOL
 
@ShadowWizard bjb
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ common reply when people need to explain things to me. :P
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ really??? The first "b" stands for Bill?? lol
 
@ShadowWizard the one Uma Thurman killed
 
7:35 PM
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ oh wait, wrong reply before.. lol... oh well. :D
 
@ShadowWizard wow, okay, this is too much even for me
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Believe in Yourself
 
@ShadowWizard I hate Yourself. He's a jerk
 
hey
I believe in myself that I cannot be believing in myself
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ nah, people just find it hard to understand him.
 
@ShadowWizard and he's a jerk
 
@KevinB 💩
(I'm afraid no pee emoji/unicode)
 
hey
I just remember... I almost renamed myself "myself" on MSE, but probably "yourself" is fine too.
 
@hey Yossef
 
🔥
 
7:39 PM
@KevinB oh that's bad
 
@ShadowWizard there's the yellow color of almost every emoji
 
You've seen a doctor? @Kevin
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ color isn't enough
 
You need to readjust the way you look at 😅
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ only when he choose to be!
 
@ShadowWizard I remember some stories of Ephrahim Kishon regarding him :3
 
7:40 PM
💨
 
@πάνταῥεῖ you... remember... ???? How you even know of that writer??!??
Are you Israeli under cover? :D
 
BBL dinner
 
He's quite popular in germany. Oddly?
 
huh, really odd!
 
7:42 PM
@KevinB ROFL
 
hey
When Instagram allows emoji hashtag...
 
@ShadowWizard No, just another inglorious basterd ;)
 
or do you mean basturd?
 
:D But they're talking about poop emoji...
 
7:46 PM
There can be more threads going on at the same time. I'm already pinging too much :3
 
@πάνταῥεῖ you know you can turn that off right? Little button that looks like a speaker up near the all rooms button?
 
I know yes.
 
@Oded o/
 
@hey they don't??
@Catija busturd... a turd that was hit by a bus. :P
@Catija @Kevin started it by posting toilets emoji! :D
 
yeah, i posted it to the wrong tab
:p
 
7:57 PM
🚍💩
 
i only see 2 boxes
 
HAHA Nice!
 
@JourneymanGeek Poor turd... it lived such a full and happy life...
 
@KevinB what os?
 
7:58 PM
Kevin lost his key's again ;)
 
@KevinB Still using Windows 7?
 
yup
at work anyway
have win10 at home
 
@KevinB heh, same here.
 
8:00 PM
I'm stuck with 8.1 on my desktop here
 
the chat doesn't seem to be able to search for emojis
 
@KevinB nah that's fine, Tavern can use some toilets. :D
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog ouch
9
Q: Search for terms containing special characters in chat returns garbage

user202362I did a search for A$, but a whole bunch of results containing "Å", "A's" and "as" were return, could not find one containing "A$": https://chat.stackoverflow.com/search?q=A%24&page=1&pagesize=50&sort=newest Same thing for other special characters such as "#".

 
I am not so convinced we really should add more rebus riddles to the already picture rich language here ...
 
sitesearch doesn't work either
0 results
 
Misread: shitesearch
 
8:10 PM
@KevinB I have script that might be used as a starting point to search specif things in chat: meta.stackexchange.com/a/280299/158100
 
8:35 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ not an incorrect reading
 
In fact it was at my first glance. I am an honest person.
 
8:52 PM
@AdamLear are you on bug duty? Would you mind checking this as that didn't resolve itself in 6 to 8 hours.
 
I'm not as such, but I'll take a look.
 
thanks
 
Is there anything around that explains the redirect for duplicates for low-rep users?
More importantly, how to get around it?
 
@Catija you mean ?noredirect=1 at the end of the url?
 
@rene They're saying that doesn't work, but I'm guessing that they're trying to add it to the new URL after being redirected maybe?
 
9:02 PM
@Catija can't they bringup the timeline? IIRC that holds the url to the original, and with a copy-paste should work out
 
If they're looking at the question in a list, they should be able to right click, save URL, paste in the bar, add the no redirect and then hit enter...
 
@Catija Since you seem to always beat me to voting to close off-topic questions, maybe you should be the one to post the [cv-pls] here?
 
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog Nope. I'm good.
 
@Catija "Howdy" Seriously?
 
I'm from Texas... I have to be the stereotype somehow.
 
@Catija That only happens for logged-out users. Users who are logged in, even if they have 1 reputation, aren't redirected.
 
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog Can you give me a minute to find out what his problem is? He's actually talking and I'm sorta trying to help.
 
Um... I'm pretty sure it's OK to ask A51 questions here... — Catija 3 mins ago
@Catija Who are you directing that at? The close voter?
 
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog Yeah.
 
 
9:20 PM
@rene Gracias! I've shared that with them, hopefully it will help.
 
yw
 
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog But also anyone else who sees it in the queues.
 
@Catija I don't see it in the CV queue...it appears they retracted their vote.
 
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog Yep, looks like the icon is gone.
 
10:15 PM
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