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Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

00:00

@KirtiThorat I see you've been lurking for quite a while

Journeyman Geek

Nothing wrong with lurking

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek That wasn't a complaint

Journeyman Geek

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Shog9 has added Catija to the list of this room's owners.

hichris123

Welcome @Catija, thanks for joining us. :)

yagmoth555

00:13

congrat @Catija :)

Shog9

This room has been inexplicably busy lately:

So, as is my tradition, I'm pouring oil on a squeaky wheel in hope of staving off the need replace a bearing

yagmoth555

its normal, you predited it shog when I joined! doomed the room is :P

hichris123

@Shog9 What were the jumps in 2016? Was that when the townhalls were a thing?

Ah, yep. meta.stackexchange.com/questions/280309/…

Catija

Well... I don't know whether to be honored or scared. Thanks for the welcome and the trust. :)

bjb568

Oh, you don’t want to know what happened to the others.

hichris123

00:23

At least to my knowledge, we've only had one room owner delete their account shortly after becoming one...

bjb568

:o

hichris123

Congrats on choosing by the way, @bjb568.

bjb568

(:

Shog9

Sterling Archer

@Shog9 I volunteer as tribute

I will be the leader we don't need

Shog9

00:29

read up...

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Catija Nice to see you're an RO now

...and we have intrusion again

Sterling Archer

@Shog9 I'll be your squeaky wheel :(

Shog9

I'll believe it when I see it

Sterling Archer

Hmm

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog dude, what?

Sterling Archer

00:32

Not quite sure what that means @Shog9

Journeyman Geek

Hah. I volunteered to be a janitor :p

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek Check the icons

Journeyman Geek

On mobile. And I don't see why you need to make a big deal of people lurking :(

Shog9

oh hey, from near my old home town

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Shog9 What is that?

Shog9

00:35

wonder if they still have "happy Joe's pizza"

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Who does?

yagmoth555

I volunteered for the beer on my side

hichris123

@Fred-ii-: Maybe I'll try this next time a girl says 'no' twice ;) — The Blue Dog Apr 15 '14 at 17:50

And this is why we delete comments...

Sterling Archer

gone now

hichris123

Well i want to do this for a girl i like so when the question is "Do you like me she cannot press NO" — camin10 May 6 '14 at 18:52

I don't think this is deleteable, but some of these are kinda sad.

Sterling Archer

00:40

Hard to judge without knowing the context of the question

Irrelevant to the question? Absolutely

hichris123

I just meant the whole premise of creating a program to tell someone you like them and not allowing them to press no.

Sterling Archer

understandable

Rob

@hichris123 Pretty disappointing to see some of the comments you've flagged have somehow managed to stay on the site for years

Sterling Archer

unfortunately comments dont have the same visibility questions do

hichris123

Yeah, I think at least some of it can be explained by low traffic posts as well.

But still, not good.

Sterling Archer

00:55

Def. I'm willing to bet a majority of the comments occur after the main public visibility dies away (assumeing low rated post for this example)

hichris123

Some of these make you wonder what the backstory is:

ok I will try to help you later, but now I have to rescue my girlfriend — AlFra May 13 '16 at 11:28

Sterling Archer

How on earth are you finding these?

hichris123

SEDE searches for keywords like "girl", "women", etc.

Journeyman Geek

@hichris123 and he came back and answered

Sterling Archer

SEDE?

hichris123

00:59

@SterlingArcher data.stackexchange.com

Journeyman Geek

Stack exchange data explorer

Sterling Archer

ah thank you

Oh wow neat, the entire DB schema is exposed

Well, maybe not all of it

Journeyman Geek

Most of it

hichris123

Yeah, it's everything available in the data dump (for the most part).

Journeyman Geek

And it's slightly stale data

Sterling Archer

01:01

How often is it updated? It can't be live for obvious reasons I supposed?

Rob

I believe it's every Sunday

Catija

Yep.

Gaurang Tandon

Hello, short question: if I open a CV review question in a new tab and then edit it, will it still be kicked out of the queue? (wasn't in the help center)

Catija

What do you mean by "kicked out of the queue"?

Gaurang Tandon

sorry, I meant not being available to review anymore in the CV queue

Catija

01:10

For you or someone else?

hichris123

@GaurangTandon meta.stackexchange.com/questions/162034/… suggests the answer is yes, but I'm not entirely sure.

Gaurang Tandon

for everyone, just like it happens when you click the Edit button present in the CV review UI

@hichris123 hmm, nice link! it doesn't still mention editing in new tab though :(

hichris123

@GaurangTandon Yeah, my assumption was that the post was referring to editing the post from outside the queue, but I can't tell if that's correct.

Gaurang Tandon

@hichris123 yes, but that link has helped me for the time being. so thanks!

Catija

That's somewhat disappointing... I've seen a lot of users make just textual/grammatical fixes to a bad question - a valid edit - but it's not really "fixing" the question. I don't really agree that should remove it from the queue. If the edit is actually useful, the rest of the reviewers should see that and vote "leave open", so it should drop out of the queue anyway.

yagmoth555

01:17

I just discoved smokey webportal report, it's really nice

Gaurang Tandon

@Catija yep, that's what I think as well

Catija

I'll also say that I had no clue that editing would do that, so now I feel guilty for slowing down the close process on questions that needed it... it makes me less interested in editing and I'm a pretty high-volume editor.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Catija Have you considered reviewing it, then going out of the queue to make the edit?

Catija

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog That's what we're talking about... there's no indication that only edits in review have this effect.

Gaurang Tandon

@Catija i'll probably keep an eye out the next time I do an edit outside the CV review UI

and get back here with the results

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

01:23

A bit unrelated: I don't like Peter Mortensen making just grammar edits to questions within five days of closure, as it sends them to the reopen queue; that creates extra work for us and deprives the post author of their chance to get the post reopened

Catija

I wonder if I can check histories on one of the sites I mod.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Review histories?

By the way, how did you get RO privileges? Did Shog just give them to you, or did you ask somewhere?

Shog9

@GaurangTandon No. Only edits from within the close queue dequeue.

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog eh. He fixes everything he can, everywhere.

Shog9

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog it's a drop in the ocean

silly to worry about it

Journeyman Geek

01:25

There is a certain value in that.

Gaurang Tandon

@Shog9 oh, thanks, that solves it!

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Catija

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog You were prodding about it yesterday (I think) and I made a comment about it... but I was as surprised as anyone else.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Yeah, I've always wanted it so I could see deleted Smokey messages for context, since my proposal to not delete those messages failed

By the way, did you vote in that poll?

Catija

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog No.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

01:33

@Catija If you did vote, which option would you have preferred? goo.gl/forms/7oDpj2bF2kUoOpp53

Catija

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog I'd really like you to stop pestering me about this.

This is the third time.

At least.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

No point, because the poll is already closed in favor of keeping the status quo.

Catija

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog Then WHY are you pestering me if it doesn't matter?

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

(I just opened it so you could see it)

I didn't ask you to vote, I just asked you a curious question

Catija

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog Just say "Sorry, I won't"... and stop arguing please. I'm pretty sure that we've asked you multiple times to stop trying to justify your actions when people ask you to stop.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

01:42

Alright, sorry, I won't. I'll tell you what was going on in my mind: you asked "why", so my natural inclination is to take it literally and answer that question.

Catija

11 mins ago, by Catija

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog I'd really like you to stop pestering me about this.

The "why" was rhetorical.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

I'll be honest: I've had a lot of trouble telling these types of questions apart. Also, occasionally, my judgment is clouded when I feel that a person shouldn't be feeling angered or pestered about something I did.

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog which is a lot of the time

Shog9

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog you have that last thing in common with a LOT of people on meta right now

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

And that exact same dialog has happened with me in real life as well.

Shog9

01:56

also a lot of employees... mods... Probably some small furry animals from alpha centauri

Sterling Archer

I hear hamsters originated from there

Shog9

Original Hampster Dance circa 1997 (hamsters dancing online)... and peek at the new

►

Sterling Archer

Oh my god 1997?

user202362

begs the question whether the origin of octopus is indeed alien

Shog9

Yep. The baby whose mother played Hampster Dance 24/7 for 9 months is nearly able to take their first legal drink. And boy are they ready for it.

Sterling Archer

02:02

New archer is on :D

Catija

@SterlingArcher Last week was good.

for a first episode where all the characters had to be introduced...

Sterling Archer

I was a little confused but the season premise has me excited

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Now, since we're in the presence of a sufficiently mixed crowd, if anyone wants to head to Sonic's Den, I can discuss the specific issues I've been facing and problems that I think need fixing here on SE.

Also @Catija I'll be honest with you: the main reason I wanted to meet up with you again is because I feel like I have no one to talk to about my feelings about inclusivity and how I've been feeling a bit marginalized here. But I understand that you don't have much time for that on your hands.

(So I won't ask you about it)

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Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

In the meantime, here's another instance of me just being me:

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A: A New (2018) Update To Our Terms Of Service Is Here

In section 10d, there is a typo: "Modifictions":

user202362

02:19

How to utilize self love - building constructive backlinks by strategically talking about various companies on social media.

user202362

I am very happy these two day - life is like real life chess game, strategies I put in place years or months ahead has starting to show new effectiveness. I estimated the success rate has increase from 8% to 13%. With more careful planning and effort I might even win! P.S. I am not talking about Stackoverflow or SE.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Here's one way the arbitration clause is abusive: if Stack Overflow massively screws up and, say, leaks every bit of personal data it has on anyone through gross negligence, joining a class action lawsuit against them would be free. With the arbitration clause, we would have to individually go through arbitration, which looks like it would cost each of us at least $250 per person just to initiate. They're basically invulnerable that way. They have much less incentive to uphold their responsibilities. — user2357112 7 mins ago

Shog9

well, you know how chess goes... One day you're winning, the next day a cat has jumped on the board and your pieces are all on the floor.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Shog9 That's how many users feel about the new 4-month closing policy on Area 51 being applied retroactively

user202362

that's for inferior chess players ... cat is calculated as part of external environment

user202362

02:28

also, strategy planning is like sailing - you can't control the wind, but as long as you got the prediction of general direction right, you can always do micro adjustment

user202362

02:41

I am talking about 3 totally different things, 3 totally unrelated things. Has good brain and education is great!

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

I've just mailed in my arbitration opt-out letter. Will those who mail in opt-outs get a response in the mail?

Shog9

We should have a badge or something. A companion to "not a robot" - mail in your letter, get an "I am not a lawyer" badge

user202362

02:59

So the letter from TGA (Therapeutic Goods Administration Department of Health) ends with:

user202362

This response is general information given to you without prejudice; it is not
binding on the TGA and you should get your own independent legal advice to ensure
that all of the legislative requirements are met.

user202362

talking about getting sued ...

user202362

03:28

哈士奇吵架就是和别的狗不一样，是这样子的！

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user202362

hilarious - husky quarreling with a samoyed

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

03:46

@Shog9 Real answer please

@Shog9 Could you please clear the migration history on meta.stackexchange.com/questions/309752/…? It was an ephemeral issue that should be closed as no longer reproducible, but if it gets closed, it will become a rejected migration

hey

04:27

Now, what the STC means? — Braiam 9 hours ago

It stands for "Shocks The Conscience", @Braiam. I'll leave its functionality to your imagination. — Shog9 ♦ 9 hours ago

I think we need that button for ourselves!

TheLittleNaruto

@Derpy Nirvana.... reminds me of the movie "Thus Have I Heard"

user310756

abc.net.au/news/2018-05-02/…

user310756

04:43

I try to tell people our wildlife are not cute and cuddly...

user310756

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hey

!!/report academia.stackexchange.com/a/109091/23844

those bounty troller...

TheLittleNaruto

@YvetteColomb Kangaroos :O Did you capture pictures of 'em ?

Suraj Rao

05:06

\o morning

Travis J

05:41

o/ nightish

user5389107

06:05

@YvetteColomb Aren't roos really muscular and have a massively strong kick?

I remember seeing a picture...

Travis J

Not like a Bruce Lee kick though, more of like the way a cat kicks at something it has in its grasp.

Princess Luna

@TravisJ Welcome to the internet, where it's always morning :p

Travis J

lol

Thank you. Finally. No one has ever officially welcomed me to the internet.

hey

I think roos are indeed muscular and have strong kick (and punch)

Travis J

I remember tekken 3 in the arcade... I wont say when.

user5389107

06:38

From my reading of the new TOS SE is blatantly in violation of the GDPR

John Dvorak

what isn't?

user5389107

idk, I'd like to think my company isn't, although it's been a fight and we don't really process data beyond our newsletter (which we discontinued) and applications

the data protection requirements for applications alone are ridiculous

John Dvorak

I have a sneaking suspicion that even talking to strangers on the street is in violation of the GDPR.

hey

I have to admit... I don't really care about TOS SE as long as they don't annoy me...

John Dvorak

I wonder - can I, as permitted to by GDPR, request that Stack Exchange forgets everything about me - including any suspensions, q-bans, IP-bans, past accounts... and start anew with a clean slate? Say, once every six questions or so?

user5389107

06:50

@JohnDvorak Yes

IP addresses in any context count as PII

John Dvorak

Sweeeet

user5389107

You can also require that Stack exchange sends you everything they have on you, including anything that can be related to your person, like user annotations and internal notes about you. You can also require that Stackexchange tell you exactly how they process this data internally, who has access to it, and how long they store it. You can also revoke your consent to them storing it at any time

John Dvorak

Including the exact Qban algorithm?

user5389107

I think there's a provision about not disclosing software secret but it's vague so maybe

remember IANAL

John Dvorak

Now if you would please tell me exactly what you think about me and how it affects your interactions with humans, then promptly forget that I ever existed and asked you this.

Boy, this would make life sooo much easier for criminals if it worked IRL.

hey

07:00

@JohnDvorak You're like an owl, and I don't interact with owls.

like that? :/

John Dvorak

That's specieist. :P

DroidDev

opens twitter

user5389107

funny thing with terms and conditions is for european users, visiting the website does not constitute agreement and the terms claiming that makes them void as a whole anyways

Travis J

If you want to request data, you have to prove who you are first. That request, along with all proof, and the response, will be kept by the company for as long as they please.

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user5389107

07:12

@TravisJ That request itself is subject to PII regulations, so no

Derpy

@JourneymanGeek To be fair, it should also be added that the various chat rooms often can be very different. I mean - take the RPG network site ones - they are probably one of the nicest and most welcoming room I found on the site. Then you have rooms that the staff had to close - multiple times.

Travis J

No, it isn't. It is a legal action.

user5389107

The GDPR makes no distinction between PII saved for legal reasons or not

Travis J

All legal actions can be kept indefinitely.

user5389107

The only thing is you can keep it longer and you can deny deletion requests if there's a law requiring you to deny them

But you have burden of proof on proving that

Travis J

07:15

Meh, you are pretty far off. But, that's not my issue.

If you want to go on thinking you can twist company's arms you have another thing coming.

user5389107

@TravisJ I'm in the opposite position

(dpo of a company)

Travis J

The true intent of these laws are to punish companies who suffer data breaches of their user data. The jurisdiction really could not care less about users on an individual basis. They are interested in the revenue from fines.

user5389107

Well yeah, but vindictive users can kick that off

You can be fined $20M per violation if they feel like it

Travis J

hand waving.

I don't buy either of those statements.

John Dvorak

So... if I'm not able to prove that a law requires me to do something, I'm already breaking a law if I do it as well as if I don't? That's awesome!

user5389107

07:18

Well the 20M figure is directly from the text of the law (or 4% of global total revenue for a year, if that's bigger)

The GDPR is so vague and hard to comply with that I feel like it'll just be used to assess fines against companys the regulators dislike for one reason or another

John Dvorak

which would make SE safe from GDPR's wrath, I hope

user5389107

The german implementation of it (BDSG-neu) is another can of worms

John Dvorak

tl;dr?

Travis J

Governing bodies are getting pretty tired of companies that lose millions of user's data and then go "oops, we will do better next time". With this law, next time means monetary consequence.

Without losing data though, I don't think any companies will be fined.

John Dvorak

The intent of GDPR is awesome, there's no denying that

Travis J

07:21

Filing false, or outrageous, claims against highly popular data properties will only serve to undermine the law.

One loss in court and the whole thing goes under.

hey

@Derpy and then there's an image board...

John Dvorak

hopefully that will lead to GDPR being revised to be less vague, rather than being abandoned or used as a weapon against civillians.

Praxeolitic

hiya

hey

hi!

Travis J

hey

John Dvorak

07:23

o/

user359686

\o

Praxeolitic

I'm looking for guidance on which site to post a question, the question is roughly "Can mutagens such as radiation increase the rate of evolution?", thoughts?

I was thinking of the skeptics site

Travis J

The answer is yes. Next? :D

hey

Naively, I thought Biology... Skeptics needs notable references for the question to be accepted.

Praxeolitic

To add some details, what I'm curious about is there's a lot of sci-fi in which mutagens make something evolve at an extreme rate and obviously most of those writers are just pulling stuff out of their ass but I'm curious about if there's any case where there's strong evidence that this is true

John Dvorak

07:26

worldbuilding might work

if you're building a world, that is

Praxeolitic

I'm not building a world, but maybe that's not a bad suggestion, it seems like they are cool with those sort of questions

Travis J

Well, evolution in what sense?

Praxeolitic

@TravisJ source? ;-D

John Dvorak

Please link me to the question when you post it

Praxeolitic

@TravisJ Good question, it's hard to define precisely, maybe a good precise definition is if you were trying to evolve a group of bacteria to achieve some task, is there any evidence that you would benefit from adding some mutagen?

@JohnDvorak will do, I'll try to remember

hey

07:28

@Praxeolitic I think you're mixing @-ping with "reply" ;)... did you mean to ask for source on Travis' "Filing false, or outrageous, claims against highly popular data properties will only serve to undermine the law"?

Travis J

Just look at evolution here on earth. The change of mitochondria over time into more complex organisms is a factor of evolution. That was certainly influenced by radiation here on the planet.

Praxeolitic

I think you're right hey, what's the difference between @-ping and reply? (sorry, I don't use chat often)

Travis J

I don't really have access to scientific journals though. I could request one. This would be a decent start: ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11539966

@Praxeolitic Okay, that is a different question, since it is more focused.

@Praxeolitic I would suggest asking at biology with the biology.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/molecular-biology (molecular-biology) tag

Praxeolitic

Well there's definitely an effect of radiation on evolution since all the organism we can study evolved in the radiation that Earth experiences, but what I want to get at is if the sci-fi notion of radiation or other mutagens increasing the "rate of evolution" has any scientific backing whatsoever

user5389107

I'm not worried about forced arbitration btw I can't see myself suing SE

hey

07:32

@Praxeolitic @-ping only pings the user without any reference to a specific message, while the "reply" button on the right (the arrow when you hover someone's message) will point which message you're replying

Travis J

Well, it will increase change, and there will be adaptions to deal with the changes introduced. Does that mean those changes will better assist in completing some task? That is where I think it gets kind of complicated.

user5389107

And even if I was forced arbitration is generally non binding in europe anyways, as are website TOS in general

Praxeolitic

alright, I was think of biology as a good second candidate, I just worry that the question is too vague for them since it relies on something hypothetical being proven/disproven

Right, obviously mutagens will increase mutations but whether that will increase a perceived "rate of evolution" versus just killing things is tricky

Travis J

@Praxeolitic It is certainly unproven. The newest technology in that respect would probably be gene guns which alter proteins.

Praxeolitic

what is "gene guns"?

user5389107

07:35

@TravisJ Are you referring to CRISPR?

hey

Personally, I feel Biology is the best candidate for clarification. I'm not sure if Skeptics entertain sci-fi, but be careful with Worldbuilding since you might get.. uhh... out-of-the-box answer instead...

Praxeolitic

that's what I was thinking

Travis J

@user5389107 That looks like one version of it.

GMO is done with a gene gun, for example.

hey

You could try to ask on their meta instead if you already have the draft :)

Travis J

0

Q: Electroporation vs gene guns

What are the pros and cons of using electroporators (left) and gene guns (right) for transformation in terms of: Price Target organism Efficacy Ease of use Maintenance

It's closed, but at least kinda informative.

Praxeolitic

07:37

I'm still confused about @-ping, I am seeing messages from others that start with @someuser, so should I use that format to clarify who I'm replying to if I want to reply to a specific people?

person

Travis J

Yeah, or you can hover over a message on the left, click the down arrow, and click reply.

topo morto

@Praxeolitic it's partly to clarify, but also because they get a chat notification in the top toolbar.

Travis J

That will reply directly to that message (also causes a ping), that is also why some messages have an arrow at the beginning, they are pointing to the reply

Praxeolitic

does everyone see the message if I use reply button?

hey

yes, chat is always public

Travis J

07:39

yeah, there is no private chat unless it is moderator created

<.< Google is watching

Derpy

I *think* you are overestimating her "cult". Let me make it clear - there isn't any "April's worshiper" secret society. If you think there is a secret guild that wants to shut down SE to take its place and make more money using April posts as an excuse then I fear you probably are very wrong. The kind of problems she pointed out in her twitter posts are problem many people already tried to pointed out in the past.

But few of them managed to be listened at. Usually, we are too busy at claiming that they are just a "bunch of trolls spreading fake info" and proving that "there is no such thi…

rene

there is no private messaging between normal users

hey

@Derpy woah, long text...

and FWIW, April has been in conflict with Jeff longer than that...

user5389107

@Derpy I would be okay with all that, except her criticism is unconstructive and deliberately over the top to appeal to an audience

Praxeolitic

@hey I'm replying this this message

oh neat!! :-P

user5389107

07:42

And I can't stand that handwavy "We all know $someUnsubstantiatedClaim, it's not up for debate"

So even if she has a point (she might), she's not the right person to discuss it with

Derpy

@hey someone made me notice that multi line message don't enforce any length limit so I no longer need to split messages, risking smokey to add its report in the middle and breaking the text :P

Travis J

I don't really feel like hashing out any of that, and I am kind of hoping to get back to the radiated super cats with xray vision.

Derpy

And? I mean... If you feel that way and don't want to discuss with her... fine. It is your choice. I respect that. My reply wasn't about that.

It is claiming that we don't have any problem that should be avoided. Don't want to trust her? Trust Tim then.

> I've also noticed many attacking her with impossible arguments (like "prove it") and the whole time I'm just sitting here screaming at my screen I WISH I COULD SHOW YOU ALL THESE EMAILS UGGGGGG

Travis J

That was the change we were aiming for with the radiation right? No? Hashing? Ugh. So 2018.

user5389107

@Derpy I am btw

no contest there

I've heard enough people I trust verify there's a systemic problem that I stopped requiring more proof since I can understand why it's not happening (confidentiality and all that)

I'm just tired of people quoting her already. I would similarly balk if I had to put up with Rush Limbaugh's take on the situation, for instance.

Travis J

07:49

There is certainly a problem. The problem revolves around users being polite to others, but mean. The degree of mean can be amplified towards certain categories of users.

hey

@TravisJ no hashing, hashtag instead!

Travis J

The entire source of this problem though is the friction between content being removed, and the users who are associated with it. In my opinion.

user5389107

I'll maintain that people who want to hurt will find the most effective way

Travis J

You can see a breakdown of what I think here.

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Q: Content, rules, and perceptions

From my experience with the site, with trying to help user moderation, and with the recent mentorship program; often, low-quality and off-topic content comes from confused users who do not understand how to properly use the service provided here. There are many categories of confusion, but ther...

discussion users content community-moderation

It is a hard question to answer... kind of feel bad for the failed attempts, but it needs to be solved.

hey

Okay, my following message could probably be perceived as offensive, please let me know if I'm crossing the line:

Travis J

07:52

Another issue is with clearly bad actors. There are some users who make the whole community look bad. Throttling their comments is a totally awesome idea that we should totally do.

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Q: Can we implement temporary automatic comment ban on 'x' number of validated rude comment flags?

There's been problems with abusive comments since the site started. What's with all the rude comments recently? We still haven't managed to conquer the issue. Negative comments drive new users away, how can we fix this? Users can be issued chat bans and post bans. The API automatically bans IP ...

feature-request comments new-users comment-flags be-nice-policy

user5389107

@TravisJ I've wondered this for a while

If you get posts rude flagged on the regular you get IP banned and get a -100 rep penalty every time. Comment rude flags to absolutely nothing right now

hey

Heh, I don't think I can be Cynical Brit :p

user5389107

@hey Now you made me sad :(

Praxeolitic

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Q: Do mutagens ever increase the "rate of evolution"?

There are a lot of sci-fi plots where mutagens, especially radiation, cause some organism to evolve at an accelerated rate. Obviously most of the authors behind these works are primarily concerned with finding a justification for a desired plot rather than adhering to known science. Nonetheless, ...

evolution

thoughts?

@JohnDvorak I remembered to ping you!

John Dvorak

thanks

Travis J

07:56

That looks good to me

Derpy

@JNat to quote Charlie Brown... "Good grievance", finally that post chain is gone (I am talking about the post I linked before and you removed). Thanks. ^_^

hey

@Praxeolitic I find it okay

Travis J

@Praxeolitic So now that you have asked a complicated question, just get ready for no one to answer it and a shiny tumbleweed badge for your effort :P

hey

Apr 28 at 13:00, by hey

FR: a penalty of 50 reps for every approved rude/abusive comment flag

I didn't post on meta though...

Praxeolitic

is there an "official" way to suggest a tag on a site where you're low rep? I was thinking "experimental-evolution" would be good. Previously I've left a suggestion for a tag at the bottom of questions and hoped someone with high rep on that site would edit the question, remove the suggestion, and add the tag, but maybe there's a better way

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