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Journeyman Geek

07:00

(considering how I ended up finding a job...)

@user5389107 how does one learn to search or debug effectively?

I quite literally had a whole class in uni teaching me to use library resources and google effectively and its served me extremely well.

Sonic Wizard

cv-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/309515/roots-of-polynomial

@JourneymanGeek Yep, our college has such a course too

It's called the "undergraduate signature course"

Journeyman Geek

@SonicWizard do they do referencing too?

Sonic Wizard

Yep

Journeyman Geek

ya, same thing then

Sonic Wizard

You can choose your signature course in any subject you want. They are quite diversified.

Journeyman Geek

07:02

Asking questions and posting answers? 8 years on and I still have times where I mess up.

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user5389107

@JourneymanGeek In my case I came across several questions where people gave advice like using a debugger to see where your code fails so it got me searching about how to use the one I was at

Journeyman Geek

Imagine someone who has literally just stumbled in on a site. They don't have the benefit of a classical education in using a search engine...

user5389107

Then I saw more comments about searching in google or SO search first and suddenly 90% of my questions resolved themselves in 10s or so

Which enabled me to be several times faster then without knowing this

Journeyman Geek

(In fact, I think there's a broader problem of tech education being designed around marketability and quantity over real technical skills, but that's not our problem)

Sonic Wizard

07:06

@SmokeDetector tp-

Journeyman Geek

@user5389107 ah, but see, learning to search is learned behaviour.

there was a curve

Sonic Wizard

@JourneymanGeek Common Core

Journeyman Geek

@SonicWizard I was thinking the Kali Crew, or folks who code dump on a deadline.

user5389107

I'm an odd case because literally 100% of my programming skill comes from SO and google

Journeyman Geek

I learnt the stuff I know around solving issues I wanted solved

Sonic Wizard

07:08

@JourneymanGeek It was a set of new standards for K-12 education here in the U.S. to unify the state-specific standards, and early drafts of those standards were derided for that very reason

user5389107

@JourneymanGeek Yes but SO is already good at teaching you this

Try asking an easily searchable question, people will tell you to search

From then on it's only whether you're open to criticism and willing to improve

Journeyman Geek

hah. I'm not on SO

@SonicWizard Oh more broadly!

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hey

The difference between asking with other colleague and SO is, the first doesn't really have a problem

user5389107

No amount of inclusivity is going to save bad and new developers from the realization that they need to shape up and get good

Journeyman Geek

07:10

maan, that's so dark.

Practically randian.

hey

... from having a chatty conversation to clear up the question

user5389107

Well yeah it's not very humane but it's a fundamental truism about the profession

Code doesn't care about you as a person, it works or it doesn't

Sonic Wizard

Maybe I'm not going into a tech career. Maybe I'm just learning coding on the side, because I'm old and retired, or have a hobbyist interest in it. And I need help because I can't understand something.

hey

(fat fingered Enter key)

Sonic Wizard

@user5389107 Code is inherently impersonal, but we as humans can fill in that gap.

user5389107

07:12

Coding is a cold and unpersonal profession because it has to be. There is no emotion in it. Your code doesn't care if there's 2 weeks of your sweat and hobbyist tears in it or if you whipped it up in 20 minutes out of boredom

Journeyman Geek

@user5389107 if code answered your questions sure.

Oh maaaan.

Dude, so darned dark.

Its a craft. You're building a thing

user5389107

It's quite contrary to our very human sides isn't it

rene

Looks like the meta's exploded. I wish they would close vote stuff on main as eagerly as they want to join the discussion

Journeyman Geek

Sure your wood will splinter, your table saw will chop off your hand...

user5389107

The report I'm working on right now doesn't really care if I had 2 mental breakdowns about making barcodes on it work for edge cases

Journeyman Geek

07:13

but the thing you make is the thing you make

user5389107

It's going to be the same report as if I had done it in an hour

Journeyman Geek

.... wait, is that magisch?

user5389107

yes, that is me

Journeyman Geek

DUDE. HOW ARE YOU?

I thought you had gone?

user5389107

failing at keeping away from this site

I need to use it every day anyways

It's a vicious cycle

Sonic Wizard

07:14

delv-pls 20k+ meta.stackexchange.com/questions/309515/roots-of-polynomial

Journeyman Geek

So, my view is, SO fills a niche.

and that is that well, code needs meat to write it

and meat is sometimes weak.

user5389107

Especially tex.stackexchange because I think latex has a personal vendetta against me at this point

Journeyman Geek

@user5389107 as odd as it may be, having fun's the trick

user5389107

Well yeah

Journeyman Geek

Maybe I have rose tinted lenses but SU kept me going when I didn't have a degree, doubted myself and just needed to know I wasn't useless.

hey

07:16

Heh, and I have a personal vendetta with web based development...

user5389107

But programming in general isn't about fun. It's about making it work. It doesn't care if you have problems or emotions, for all the computer cares you might aswell not exist. I think SO succeeds because it works with that. The only thing a computer respects is giving it exactly what it needs to do in the way you need it to do it.

And your bosses won't cut you slack either, they want results

Journeyman Geek

hmm

Oh, man. Dark.

There's a lot of folk who find joy in their work. Or in community.

I mean, on SU, we deal with computers too, and less technical people

user5389107

Well yeah. It is. There's a reason tech has an inclusivity problem. It's a high pressure environment. Leaning on your analogy of earlier, you throw the baby into the snow because the entire planet is snow and there's no bonfire anywhere

Journeyman Geek

but there's a certain joy for many in solving a problem

hey

Well, those who were writing open sources project certainly doing for fun

Journeyman Geek

07:18

@user5389107 naw, spartans.

On the other hand the fins put their babies out in the cold in cardboard boxes.

user5389107

Unless you have a talent and inclination for it you just won't succeed without really hard work

Journeyman Geek

Well, you ought to have that

user5389107

I'm honestly sad when I see people trying to get others into programming when they know these others won't suceed at any stretch. At that point letting people believe they have a shot is just cruel

Journeyman Geek

hmm

I do think to a certain extent, that's cyclic

but I'm indian. we're the worst about that

user202362

in which the case, programming language should be improved instead

hey

07:22

A.i. based programming language

Journeyman Geek

@user5389107 its just as true with security (clueless kali users) or many other things

user5389107

I know i'll never be a cryptographer

NobodyNada

@TelKitty if you're suggesting more "user-friendly" programming languages...those don't usually work out too well -- AppleScript for example

user5389107

Does the field of cryptography have an inclusivity problem because people will tell me I need to be better at math to have a go?

Journeyman Geek

@user5389107 folks are convinced using kali makes em hackers

@user5389107 more, if you have two people with the same skill level or lackthere of, shouldn't they be treated the same?

Or should one get treated better cause their name is male, or their ava is a small dog...

hey

07:23

Nah... In the future we just need to speak to ~~Quack Overflow~~ something and the program will be written by the computer itself

user5389107

The harsh reality of the world is that sometimes people need to realize that they don't have the chops for something. It's something that everyone has to learn eventually. Better early then after struggling through a degree

@JourneymanGeek obviously yes

I don't think anyone's debating that

Journeyman Geek

and that's what folks in SE were talking about.

@user5389107 I couldn't get a job without a degree

user5389107

I don't have a degree but a completed apprenticeship

hey

Okay, time to have a company meeting... afk

Journeyman Geek

and I earn less than a local degree holder, and people wouldn't hire me anyway.

user5389107

07:25

All of my coworkers just were good at coding and got hired at some point

Journeyman Geek

Oh...

user202362

I care about what the efficiency a programming language could bring to human kind directly and indirectly. My ultimate goal for coding is not to cater my like of coding, nor because I am fond of problem solving. I code because I think I can make a useful product with it. 'Useful' when all thing considered.

Journeyman Geek

Wait, you're no longer at that odd factory?

user5389107

I switched jobs some time ago yeah

Journeyman Geek

ah

user5389107

07:27

though not very far. Same town, different small business

Journeyman Geek

I don't think programming is for everyone

Its not for me.

user5389107

Programming is for almost no-one

I'm not even sure its for me

Journeyman Geek

heh

I know some people who love programming

I have a friend who goes "oh hang on" then throws together a little app to solve some annoying program I have

user5389107

one of my coworkers literally outputs 4x as much as I do

Seems like he doesn't even think, just starts writing

Journeyman Geek

ah

rene

07:31

@user5389107 I read that as he doesn't even drink ...

bad mind, mind is bad

user5389107

Makes me feel like I should leave programming to better people, even though my boss is very satisfied with my output

Journeyman Geek

@rene is that a ballmer peak joke?

@user5389107 sounds like you're suffering from a bad case of imposter syndrome.

clearly you have qualities that makes you valuble to your organisation.

user5389107

Thats the problem with a competitive nature. You see other people doing much better and think "well what's the point then"

Journeyman Geek

well, that feels defeatist. And you're always the person you're trying to be better than.

Not anyone else.

user5389107

It's a mental health problem I'm in therapy for, so

Journeyman Geek

07:41

heh. I guess that's good?

I just deal with a lot of people who're down about themselves and ... heh, trying to help's gotten into a habit ;p

Mithrandir

07:54

@ShadowWizard had a couple dozen SE tabs open and that's it

It's also been on without being turned off for four days by now, though, so I'm guessing that's more to blame.

Derpy

@Mithrandir don't underestimate the power of the SE cryptocurrency mining scripts.

Journeyman Geek

Unicoin!

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08:18

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Sonic Wizard

@user5389107 Have you seen the Hindi movie "3 Idiots"?

user5389107

no

Journeyman Geek

why would he? ;p

Sonic Wizard

I suggest watching it

user5389107

I don't watch movies out of my own volition

I find books infinitely more interesting

Sonic Wizard

08:20

I'm asking you to watch it. It's thus not out of your own volition.

user5389107

I'm at work right now so maybe later

Journeyman Geek

cv-plz meta.stackexchange.com/questions/309518/…

Sonic Wizard

08:35

cv-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/309523/…

delv-pls 20k+ meta.stackexchange.com/questions/309518/…

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08:48

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user5389107

@bro I'm not a fan of implicit bias test and even the authors admit they're entirely meaningless and unscientific

So yeah

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Sonic Wizard

09:09

cv-pls specific site: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/309524/mysql-vs-mysqli

user202729

@JonEricson Hello? Have you got any news about that? :)

Sonic Wizard

@user202729 It's currently late at night in Burbank (his location).

rene

anyway, you woke him up ....

user202362

he puts you on blacklist then goes back to his sleep

Journeyman Geek

09:36

YOU FOOL YOU HAVE DOOMED US ALL!

(or at least someone's sleep patterns)

user202729

@SonicWizard Then the ping would just turn into a inbox notification. No worries.

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09:53

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Sonic Wizard

I wonder, what if MSE questions were listed in HNQ?

Journeyman Geek

10:10

@SonicWizard utter doom and drama.

also

@user5389107 if you are actually going to be backish, old username and ava please. Its too damned confusing otherwise.

Sonic Wizard

FYI Shadow has already discussed this with them.

rene

10:34

We woke Jon again ...

Let the man sleep ....

Sonic Wizard

Who knows? Maybe his sleep patterns are just like mine?

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Derpy

11:00

nuke user please

rene

@Derpy moderate the content not the user ... oh ... oh boy ... nvm

Derpy

@rene you should by now know that I have given up the fight to have simple spammers account deleted. They don't care.

But I will still point out the most offending ones.

rene

I'll reregister that, thanks

SmokeDetector

@SonicWizard You don't have code privileges, but I've created PR#2106 for you.

Sonic Wizard

!!/watch anushkaaggarwal\.in

SmokeDetector

11:12

@SonicWizard You don't have code privileges, but I've created PR#2107 for you.

Nog Shine

11:37

Is this intentional or a bug? hinduism.meta.stackexchange.com/q/1305/5212

Sonic Wizard

Bug

Nog Shine

Grace period edits are shown as answered. Right?

Shadow Wizard

Yes

Sonic Wizard

On the home page

Shadow Wizard

@SonicWizard hmm?

Sonic Wizard

11:45

2 hours ago, by Journeyman Geek

@user5389107 if you are actually going to be backish, old username and ava please. Its too damned confusing otherwise.

Shadow Wizard

@SonicWizard also in the post

@SonicWizard oh. Well name can't be changed for a month, but avatar can...

Sonic Wizard

@ShadowWizard So then let @JourneymanGeek know!

Shadow Wizard

@SonicWizard he knows! :)

Sonic Wizard

Then why did he send such a shortsighted message? :)

Journeyman Geek

I thought the initial username could be changed?

Sonic Wizard

12:01

@Catija Did you come up with anything?

Catija

@SonicWizard Bennett likes frozen waffles? (Still frozen)

Sonic Wizard

8 hours ago, by Catija

Meh... maybe I'll come up with somethign while I"m sleeping.

I was referring to that

Catija

@SonicWizard I know. I'm too confused by the frozen waffle thing, though.

Apparently I also said "somethign" and "I"m". :/

Sonic Wizard

I'm no pedant

Catija

Sometimes, a rough outline is all the Team needs to find a better solution. I've found that spending too much effort on details can be a waste as they're rarely implemented as expected.

I'd be somewhat surprised if no one had come up with this in the past, though.

Sonic Wizard

12:12

But the fact is that we'll lose quite a bit of transparency if we hide vote scores.

@Catija Trader Joe's?

Catija

@SonicWizard nah, HEB. We don't ever go to Trader Joe's.

Sonic Wizard

What's wrong with it?

Catija

@SonicWizard I'm not sure about that part. My current grand scheme is focused on resetting a negatively scoring question to zero when reopened.

Sonic Wizard

Reminds me of one thing:

10

Q: If you accidentally post a question before you mean to and it gets downvoted, what should you do?

I recently posted a question and soon after realized I shouldn't've posted it yet. It very quickly got a downvote and from what I know you shouldn't delete a downvoted question and repost it. What should I do in the future if I ever do this again?

Catija

@SonicWizard Not going doesn't imply there's something wrong... we have our habits for shopping and that's not one. I don't even know where one is.

Sonic Wizard

12:19

Searching really quickly, it appears there are three in Austin: two in the south and one in the north

Catija

... anyway, have to get ready for work.

Sonic Wizard

@Catija The one up north is by the Costco near PRC

user5389107

@Catija That would be horribly open to abuse

Imagine someone auto-closing their own q as a wildly inappropriate duplicate just so they have a better case for getting it reopened when people who voted have moved on since

Catija

@user5389107 easy solution is to exclude self dupes. If the OP agrees it's a duplicate, it shouldn't be reopened.

Derpy

and another possible candidate for deletion, this time on SE. . Really, no way to report them in bulk?

user5389107

12:31

You can also exploit that externally

Edit your question to be a different dupe

Or not a dupe but still bad

rene

@Derpy maybe a github gist and link to it from a custom flag?

Derpy

@rene how would that work? I mean - one could use that to give them the list but...

a) will it actually be considered worth the time and processed (trad: will someone actually delete those users?)

b) how would you track which users they have deleted and which others they processed but deemed worthy to live?

(Note: if they don't agree to delete an account, you need to know that to avoid reporting it again)

rene

@Derpy it is far from ideal. I only respond to your report them bulk how that really works out didn't cross my mind

Derpy

@rene I know, to be fair that was just a rhetorical question meant to annoy a certain dog.

wonder who that dog may be

rene

@Derpy In the Trogdor room we use a Google sheet to organize a mass action request to mods and they update what they handled. But that is on request of the mods.

@Derpy Oh, I'm not good at rhetorical things

Derpy

12:47

@rene but that is for content moderation. This is something we are still doing.

rene

yeah, I know

Derpy

"Account moderation" instead is often forgotten, especially when it is easy to look the other way (trad: abusive users that didn't post any content).

hey

Today's tiring day...

Derpy

@hey you could try to stir up some free drama about some "SE user base isn't nice" article posted somewhere.

or ask about that deleted/destroyed/suspended/something user on Drupal

or maybe try and ask who Lazlo was.

you have many choices.

I think @TelKitty publications should provide many suggestions about how to start a chat room witches hunt. :p

hey

I'll replace my tires first

Shadow Wizard

12:58

@Catija yummy

@hey I heard beer is good to build some solid tires... 🍺 ;-)

rene

13:16

@ShadowWizard oh, thanks for reminding. I have to put beer in the fridge

hey

On the other hand.. I think I'll remix/rearrange/whatever an old song from Chip's Challenge...

Chip02.mid - Sound Blaster Pro 2 (1992)

►

(that's the original song)

user202729

@Derpy Not that they don't care (after a while they would get IP ban right?), but there are too many spammers.

(I guess)

Journeyman Geek

13:34

@Derpy I be a sad puppy

cv-plz meta.stackexchange.com/questions/309529/…

hey

delvote it away~!

Journeyman Geek

delvote-plz meta.stackexchange.com/questions/309518/… @rene @ShadowWizard

rene

complete

user202729

It's possible to delete without close first? Or just for moderators?

hey

only mods

normally, questions need to be closed and -3 to be eligible for delete vote

and that's why some reasonably-looking-but-awfully-off-topic questions are downvoted untill -3 for quick deletion

yagmoth555

13:43

ah, good to know, was wondering why -3 seemed a cap on bad question

user202729

Off topic are not reasonably looking. Ever.

TylerH

@hey though this behavior is something Shog has explicitly said is not OK

Though it was more directed toward Roomba deletion, I can't imagine it wouldn't apply to manual deletion, too

hey

That's my experience on some sites, like anime identification request on anime.se (was on-topic, due to crap quality, decided to be off-topic later)

so... only Science Fiction & Fantasy still accepts identification request. Movies & TV and Anime & Manga have stopped supporting them.

Journeyman Geek

heh, the only place I do downvotes for closing is MSE

and those arn't very reasonable

Otherwise, I'd much rather flag

user202729

@Derpy Because there are no way to flag on users. We need a way to flag such offensive users.

Journeyman Geek

13:52

@user202729 That's one of those thing that's sadly unlikely to happen in the current climate

if the site mods think its an issue too you can inform them, but it dosen't scale all that good

user202729

@JourneymanGeek Why | Have anyone posted a feature request on meta?

Journeyman Geek

@user202729 well, profile spam dosen't seem to be a major issue for folks.

user202729

@SonicWizard (and what happened?)

Sonic Wizard

He was OK with it

Journeyman Geek

and I think unless something happens that literaly, seriously affects SO's bottomline, the big focus is still on enterprise.

hey

13:59

@user202729 absolutely

Sonic Wizard

@user202729 If you want to delete without a score of -3, there is a 48-hour waiting period after closure, after which the vote score criterion no longer applies, and the minimum rep to VTD decreases from 20k to 10k

@TylerH I think he'd be fine with it here, since his objective is to ensure blatantly off-topic questions are deleted as quickly as possible. In fact, if he comes across one, he deletes it immediately.

rene

14:20

> Also, I garden.

someone likes flowers?

Anonymous

How to Ask for Technical Help? Evidence-based Guidelines for Writing Questions on Stack Overflow (Preprint, to appear in Information and Software Technology)

Journeyman Geek

\o/

hey

14:37

/o/

Journeyman Geek

\o\

user202729

@SonicWizard I didn't understand that. Who was OK with what?

Shog9

128

Q: Turbocharging the Roomba: solutions for premature deletion

A couple weeks ago, I asked for help: How can we stop premature deletion? And I got some fantastic responses. A big thanks to everyone who participated in that discussion - you're the reason I don't completely hate Meta Stack Overflow. The big takeaways from that discussion were: Show users t...

discussion deleted-questions auto-delete deletion

hey

(awkward silence)

Journeyman Geek

no no, that's over on the other server.

TylerH

14:52

@hey oh, that's interesting

and I think a bad decision...

Journeyman Geek

@TylerH that they accept them, or that they don't?

rene

Nicely played @JeremyBanks ... nicely played ...

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sd tpu-

TylerH

@JourneymanGeek that they don't accept them

Journeyman Geek

ah

TylerH

14:59

I think identification requests are some of the more appropriate questions for sites like SciFi and Movies

Journeyman Geek

I think folks in those communities foind them problematic

hey

scrap that specific meta question, just browse the related meta posts

TylerH

But I also think sites like SciFi should get their privilege thresholds upped by a whole factor

It's an interesting discussion; the metrics of quality vary wildly from site to site

hey

Yes, the metrics of quality vary with users' age.

TylerH

I think that's a red herring

Journeyman Geek

15:02

@TylerH that would be... unpopular

TylerH

What makes a quality anime question? I'm a pretty experienced user of multiple sites but I can totally understand the problem of the recent blog post when I think about asking a question on the Anime site with a concern for 'quality'. Obviously things like spelling and grammar matter, and being able to point out some specific details, but what else?

Journeyman Geek

I think moving the goalposts kind of makes it harder

@TylerH that's why community helps

I asked a question on skeptics. Folks did a load of work to help bring it up to their standards

TylerH

@JourneymanGeek Well yeah no one likes their toys getting taken away. I don't expect it to happen, I just muse over the fact that really inane questions or answers will get 100+ upvotes on that site

@JourneymanGeek That's ideal

If only we did that kind of work on SO

Journeyman Geek

skeptics.stackexchange.com/posts/40347/revisions

TylerH

Which reminds me of another problem I wanted to address in Jay's blog post... the quote "Users aren’t “too lazy” to search; searching takes less work than posting."

Journeyman Geek

15:04

@TylerH that's kind of the ideal

snort

TylerH

I want to know what kind of searches he has been doing that are easier than asking a new question because trying to use SO's search is like NP hard

Journeyman Geek

You do know the old joke about how its easier to start typing a question and use its suggested dupes than to use search right?

TylerH

oh yes

bjb568

haha

Journeyman Geek

also, posting needs less thinking

user315433

15:05

@TylerH Movies banned ID requests: the tour (as did Anime earlier). SciFi still accepts them.

TylerH

@JourneymanGeek that's a decent example but maybe one that should be discounted... you had help from one person (a moderator) and you are a well known moderator of another network site... how much similar luck would a true new network user have?

@bro Yes... I'm aware.

user315433

This is what I get for reading from bottom up...

Journeyman Geek

@TylerH I was actually considering posting that as aibobot... ;p

@TylerH I had someone do major edits to one of my posts pre-mod-ship

but alas, I've never been particularly low profile on the network

TylerH

But do you have a Stack Overflow coffee mug?

That's the real measure of Stack Exchange fame

Journeyman Geek

I have a super user coffee mug

for hitting 100k

hey

15:08

Too many questions from unlicensed series (reading/watching on questionable sites), and given that anime and manga originated from Japan, some scenes are like a needle in a haystack; only those who have read/watched themselves can answer them.

TylerH

*grumble grumble wish there was a SE store still *

@hey I figured that would be the entire point of having a site specialized in anime rather than just Movies & TV...

Journeyman Geek

quite a lot of people do

I'll see if i can hit 100k on meta ;p

TylerH

but what do I know :-) I'm sure there are plenty of other things to ask about, like how powerful is Madara Uchiha, really?

hey

Well, that's also a problem for my taste, but I joined late~

TylerH

I wonder how much traffic a sub-site like Anime & Manga -> Anime & Manga Identification Requests would get

It's true though that identification requests are hard to reconcile with the point of SE sites in general, which is to make useful Q&As for other people... ID requests are pretty much always one-offs for the person asking

jadarnel27

15:14

@ShadowWizard Living the dream. And you?

I think Jeremy is getting in trouble.

Journeyman Geek

Seems to be, yes

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@JourneymanGeek Just another 64k to gain. That should be doable ;P

user315433

@user1114 Not sure if you care, but your network profile still has the old username/info because it does not sync automatically.

Journeyman Geek

15:30

@πάνταῥεῖ maybe another 4 years

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What if the incoming rate of valiid questions goes up? (these times now could well provoke that)

@TylerH Hi! LTNS

TylerH

@πάνταῥεῖ o/

Feeds

I'm not a lawyer, but I believe zones like this are technically considered the high seas, so if you cut a pizza into a spiral there you could be charged with pieracy under marinaritime law.

hey

@Feeds 😑

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Sometimes I believe there's some AI behind them and decides what to pull in :-)

user315433

15:36

@Feeds Lat/Long of the spot pls. How large is it?

user315433

McKissick Island

McKissick Island (also known as McKissick's Island) is a former 5,000 acre island in the Missouri River that is part of Nemaha County, Nebraska, United States, but is now east of Nebraska's normal eastern border and can only be reached by land from Nebraska by first going through Iowa and Missouri. It is sometimes described as a Nebraska enclave within Missouri, although it is not a true enclave, since it is physically attached to Nebraska through the river.A dispute over whether Missouri or Nebraska had jurisdiction was determined in a 1904 United States Supreme Court decision that was not formally...

hey

get ready for HNQ from Travel.SE!

aww...

TylerH

@Feeds a rare typo in the tooltip

hey

PUNdit

Catija

@TylerH Oh?

NobodyNada

15:39

@TylerH I see puns; I don't see typos

Catija

Same

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pieracy is a pun, not a typo :-D

Catija

So is marinaritime laws.

user315433

> Most of the island's land was under 2 to 10 feet of water during the 2011 Missouri River Flood

user315433

That does not leave much room for committing crimes.

TylerH

15:41

oh

see I didn't get it because no one refers to pizza as pie anymore

because it's pizza

Catija

Don't tell a NYer that...

user315433

Me neither; but Randall is apparently a fan of That's Amore

NobodyNada

@bro I prefer 1814 :p

user315433

Yes, I remembered he referenced the song twice, could not find the other one.

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@bro Can't you commit crimes on boats?

NobodyNada

15:52

@πάνταῥεῖ did you read the hover text? it'd be pieracy!

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Of course I've read it :P

user315433

Hm, a crime committed in the middle of a river separating two states....

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@NobodyNada o/ LTNS

NobodyNada

@πάνταῥεῖ \o, how have you been? We haven't been in the same chat rooms for a while :)

TylerH

@bro interstate crime - becomes federal and the FBI takes over

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