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12:06 AM
!!/ahem', is going to stop me becoming the next 'Skynet.
@AndrewT. No such command 'ahem'.
oops, morning
@AndrewT. what did your message say before it was deleted? was it a smokedetector command?
I ask because it might have triggered an error
want make sure everything's working and I didn't do anything wrong
Dec 6 at 20:23, by angussidney
By the way everyone, sorry if Smokey acts a little weirdly/differently over the next few days, we’ve just done a massive refactor of our chat system and we’ve encountered a few bugs that we weren’t anticipating.
this: !!/ *blabla*', ... then edited to !!/*blabla*', ...
ok that explains the error perfectly
thank you
you just caught a bug
12:15 AM
I don't know whether to be happy or not :O
Bugs these days... are kind of small. Smokey had a much better one once.

Smokey goes False

Jan 1 '16 at 4:21, 8 minutes total – 57 messages, 8 users, 25 stars

Bookmarked 52 secs ago by Crazy Ivan

12:30 AM
@CrazyIvan False
1 hour later…
1:57 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in answer, pattern-matching email in answer: How to read in bed without upsetting my wife? by Victoria on lifehacks.SE
The /users API method does not have an option to return users sorted by Id... ?
One would think that sorting by "creation" should have that effect, but... on Meta it goes 128546, 129592, -1, 1, 2, 3, 4, ...
Why do George Claghorn and Jeff Hardy predate Jeff Atwood and even Community itself?
Early devs?
The real founders of SO?
2:04 AM
Odd, though... despite their account age, their user ID is really high.
Maybe someone messed with it?
@CrazyIvan their SO account also has the same date creation, though Jeff beat them on SO by 1 year
Hey could I get some re-open votes for stackoverflow.com/questions/47696585/… ; looks like a gold badge user made a mistake
@AndrewT. so I think it's MSO/MSE separation shenanigans
transform from 4D (3D + time) into 1D (0s & 1s) will be lossy
2:14 AM
Do they have audits outside of SO?
huh what how did a user with no posts get 293 rep
You can earn up to 1K from edit suggestions.
> This is currently active only on Stack Overflow, Server Fault, Super User, Software Engineering, Ask Ubuntu, and Mathematics. meta.stackexchange.com/questions/157121/…
oh that's a bot anyway
@CrazyIvan Thanks.
2:17 AM
@Joshua Some edits, but its puppet-master also posted an answer once. It got self-deleted eventually but reputation was kept because the post was around long enough for reputation to "freeze in".
And yes, I voted to reopen.
Smokey also has an opinion on duplicates....
page parameter of the API is 1-based, boo.
@Joshua I'll vote to reopen because the dupe is bad, but I'm considering stackoverflow.com/a/477578/2821954 as an alternative (not specific to Android, but I see good tips, though no Java code)
2:31 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: How to fill in a textbox based on user selection in a Combobox (VBA) by secret on stackoverflow.com
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: Making a href link call upon a php script and run it by Guest on stackoverflow.com
@SmokeDetector You're a guest, we mind it
2:45 AM
@AndrewT.: I have a completely different "how to remain logged in" answer designed specifically for mobile devices.
hopefully it's not a dupe too (haven't searched that)
2:58 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, link following arrow in body, pattern-matching website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: httpnewmusclesupplementscommastertestopro by ellismatthews on astronomy.SE
There is some real damage from loosely or incorrectly marked duplicates that nobody reverses, but it isn't discussed much.
@SmokeDetector What's with the title, is there now a block for URL-only titles?
@CrazyIvan: I have no idea how SmokeDetector could tell but that's spam.
No, there is no block, unless someone pushed it on Sunday afternoon (unlikely); URL-only titles showed up about 10 hours ago. This is just a spammer being overcautious.
@Joshua The page metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/post/97027 explains how the post was detected.
3:02 AM
For example, the domain newmusclesupplements.com was linked in 176 prior posts, all of them spam. That's just one of several reasons.
3:26 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: Cannot log into Area 51 with Google account by user26904 on meta.SE
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer (batch report: post 1 out of 2): Cannot log into Area 51 with Google account by user26904 on meta.SE
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer (batch report: post 2 out of 2): Cannot log into Area 51 with Google account by user26904 on meta.SE
@CrazyIvan or seeing what gets through
@JourneymanGeek But if they shouldn't be doing that many reviews... the limit shouldn't be set so high?
@Catija Well, some people might be able to? ;p
But he clearly.... is having issues
I don't know much about review audits as none of the sites I use have them... but I do feel like I hear about them being... faulty from time to time? I'm sure you're a better judge, though.
@Catija they are seriously annoying, but pretty hard to fail with some degree of caution
3:40 AM
Do you know it's an audit when it's given to you?
The two times I failed, I ploughed through several hundred reviews
Some are plain dumb
there's also sometimes tells
or you go look at the question and its a deleted answer ;p
Suggested edits audits are ridiculously easy to spot
Low quality posts are usually pretty easy to spot. A long, seemingly well written post with zero points from an anonymous user?
Almost guaranteed to be an audit expecting 'looks ok'
A barely coherent question, with 5 upvotes? Gonna be a closed/deleted question
the proper landmines are very rare
3:44 AM
It does get frustrating, for me at least, when voting on borderline questions
In that case I feel you don't really have a choice, it could go either way. So open the link and vote accordingly
Opening the link/trying to improve is kinda the "secret" to never failing a review audit ;p
Does kinda pull you off the queue tho
I'm sure there's a userscript that detects audits anyway
Haven't really bothered looking for one though
The landmines I've been getting are where the wrong action ended up being taken.
what does it mean "kinda pull you off the queue"
Breaks the flow of reviewing
Means you go off the review queue, to the post, and go sniff out what's happening
3:48 AM
If the number of failed audits I get on deleted questions is up I'm going to start petitioning for a "flag this audit" too. Audits should be blatantly obvious what the right answer is.
@Joshua I'm pretty sure most audits can be invalidated by your vote outside the queue
If it's a terrible question with upvotes and no downvotes, it might be used as an audit as a 'good question'
Downvote it, and it'll no longer be used
@Rob: If the question or answer is deleted it won't work.
Yeah, that gets more tricky
@Joshua that its not there is a sign its an audit ;p
or not
@Joshua feedback on review audits have been suggested
probably not happening.
That's a good point; I should just hit skip whenever the target doesn't exist
3:50 AM
or when you're not sure ;p
I've been at 100% that audit was wrong for every audit I fail for the past year.
(due more to my liberal use of the skip function when I don't know what the answer is than any particular skil--I'm only likely to fail a really bad audit)
It'd be nice if audits were pulled only from moderator actions
The community in general is not always the best compass for the correct action
Made worse by automatic comments on posts that other reviewers see and blindly agree with..
I've contested moderator actions before. I've even won one.
Sure; everyone makes mistakes. But it's far more likely that a moderator made the correct call than a random member of the community
@Catija If you're curious, this is what suggested edit audits look like: stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/17379318
But an audit ban because it looks like a moderator blew it is going to get personal. :(
3:55 AM
You have to get multiple failures to get a ban
> Our system has identified this edit as possible spam; please review carefully
I've gotten review banned
As a mod
I was ... embarassed ;p
let me guess; you unbanned yourself
not that I have a problem with that
3:56 AM
Actually no!
So are they actual edit suggestions from the past or do they have a script that makes them up?
I felt that was unethical!
I brought it up on public chat and another mod did
@Catija they have a markov chain that makes it up
its amusingly bad
Well, I don't see a benefit to upgrading that for channels, so I think you'll be stuck with it for a while ;)
I gave up on suggested edits due to what I think is an ADA bug
That said, I've actually seen suggested edits like that which were legitimate proposals
Legitimate in that it wasn't an audit; not that it was someone being sincere with their proposal
3:58 AM
actually no. someone else asked for it to be lifted.
I've definitely seen some pretty crappy suggested edits... especially on ELL.
let's just say a banned mod is probably a worse problem than a mod that makes review mistakes
on the other hand if the mod is bad we'd know about it due to the flames in chat and meta
in Root Access on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, Oct 3 '15 at 2:48, by Journeyman Geek
heh. One sign you're doing too many reviews. You recognise the exact same question getting posted as an audit.
That also happens
But I think I was doing like 200 reviews or so a day
I wonder if they've had issues with mods being bad at review in the past... seems like they should exempt mods from them...
wait there's a badge for it
4:01 AM
@Catija I consider review bans a chance to sit down and do something else ;p
You know what we need... hat participation badges... It'd be like an annual "I love hats" badge to show that you were around for Winter Bash... it could even be multi-tiered... 1, 5, 20 hats or something (per site).
@Joshua which is part of the problem ;p
We have badges to encourage people to review
oh I thought that meant there's a badge for getting a question for review and audit
then people abuse review to get badges, so we have limits and audits to catch people who abuse review...
Review badges are hard anywhere other than SO, I bet.
4:03 AM
@Catija curious how spam (or audit) is generated? try Flack Overstow!
About 3 years ago I used to be able to wipe out the SO Reopen queue any time I wanted
Got my first Revival badge on SO and thought "I know a site where this badge will be impossible to get"... interpersonal.stackexchange.com/help/badges/64/revival
I got Necromancer 1.5 years after I posted an answer to a question that had gone un-answered for 1.5 years.
long cat is long
@CrazyIvan Also, Tumbleweed...
4:14 AM
@CrazyIvan for now at least ;p
@Catija almost like yearling?
I'm kinda convinced there should be a badge for 10x yearling badges
(or even site swag, should it exist)
@JourneymanGeek Not really... Yearling is sort of flawed... if I earn 500 rep on a site, I'll get yearling for the next five years... but hats requires that you participate during that specific event.
It would almost be more like the "followed a proposal in A51" badge... if you didn't do it then, you can't ever get it.
@Catija yearling badges though kinda represent contributions to the site.
@Catija which is kinda meh
There's no other memory of having participated in Winter Bash... no way to commemorate how you did. A badge with three levels would do that for you.
Look at John's owl!
4:19 AM
Well, the only memory of having participated in Winter Bash is to photoshop the hat to your current display pic
Publicist is an interesting badge on meta sites: meta.stackoverflow.com/help/badges/61/publicist
Yearling is by far the most common on meta.so, despite the site being relatively young. I don't know if its 200 rep requirement refers to invisible meta rep, or main site rep...
Main rep, pretty sure.
I don't think they track "invisible" meta rep?
For Mortarboard and similar (Epic, Legendary), invisible meta rep is used. Why not for Yearling?
hah, ya
which confused the hell out of me
4:22 AM
I don't like Warlords of Documentation: A Proposed Expansion of Stack Overflow being closed. There are tons of proposals that are made and are not implemented, or are reverted, or modified, or whatever.
Voted to reopen.
I don't have the rep on SO. Also... what can be added to it?
Maybe nothing, everyone moved on. But we don't close old discussions and proposals because of that.
4:45 AM
Closing it seems fine to me
The closure text even says:
> Changes to the system or to the circumstances affecting the asker have rendered it obsolete
It's not locked; just preventing new answers, which seems to be the correct course of action here
5:26 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: What can I do if I mix up PCG.se and FOS.se icons? by user26904 on meta.SE
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7:07 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, bad pattern in URL body, blacklisted website in body, pattern-matching website in body, +1 more: Everything You Need To Know About GRS Ultra Reviews by aswylerelvin on 3dprinting.SE
@CrazyIvan I thought the same thing, but didn't care enough to reopen it.
@SmokeDetector to AGF or to ABF?
gotta take a stand man.
Aviation.SE hasn't had custom close reasons..?
7:59 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, bad keyword with email in answer, pattern-matching email in answer: Explain how lottery is haram in definition by Oliva Betts on islam.SE
@ShadowWizard meta.stackexchange.com/questions/304270/… I think what he wants to do is to "only" use an openid with TFA and remove the "default" SE openID
So SE dosen't need to support it, the openid endpoint does
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Username similar to website in answer: Transfer vegetables objects from cutting board to pan by meal5 on cooking.SE
@pabvid I did, otherwise I would have closed it as dupe. My comment was meant as "I don't think there is much hope, since there isn't and won't be 2FA support in SE". — Shadow Wizard 15 secs ago
I might be wrong, hence only comment. :)
@ShadowWizard what he really wants to do is to remove the SE endpoint?
8:21 AM
Only if it'll leave him with the 2FA
But yeah, that's part of the question.
in theory as long has he has one working openid, he'll be fine
Maybe.... maybe not....
9:33 AM
Interesting vote spread today
I really wish I knew why people were downvoting the post about spam, but the other one's kinda slightly controversial
@JourneymanGeek the spammers of course ....
or the people writing the spamming platform in question
those too, yes
(Hi! I am on to you you spampeddling meatmunchers!)
@JourneymanGeek was the one about the battery deleted?
9:38 AM
why can't I find it then?
A: How to safely store a defective (bulging) lithium-ion battery

Journeyman Geek I had this happen, and I had to store it till I had time to drop by a designated ewaste centre which specifically accepted lithium ion batteries. (This is important. Throwing potentially inflammable materials in regular trash is bad. Only you can stop fires) There's likely no need to panic if ...

cause... search sucks somewhat?
ah. Superuser. For some reason, I was searching on LifeHacks. Probably the title.
That is the kind of posts you expect from LifeHacks.
(Solution: store it in the fridge)
@Derpy the icon is pretty clear....
@Derpy IMO terrible idea
9:45 AM
@JourneymanGeek isn't that the whole reason to go to LifeHacks?
also, not the worst idea I've posted in an answer
A: How do I clean my computer using isopropyl alcohol?

Journeyman GeekIf you're using high purity isopropyl alcohol, the advantages are that it is non conductive (being a non polar solvent), is not terribly reactive with the things you'd normally find in a computer, and generally dries fast. Water is a polar solvent, so you don't want to be using it in computers in...

> (No, do not do this. isopropy alcohol is highly inflammable - it will evaporate into something that can be ignited at low temperature (13-15 degrees), and will catch fire at around 400 degrees C, and we do not want to be responsible for house fires. BAD BAD IDEA.) And since this is kinda being mentioned in the comments (Its potentially explosive under the right conditions - I do not recommend trying to blow up plastic water jugs unless you're a trained professional and/or a chemistry teacher).
A: What office equipment can I use to safely observe a solar eclipse?

panonskiRemember the floppy discs? We dug one out from our storage, opened it up and looked through the film sheet. Alternatively, a friend of mine took a lighter and a glass cup mat. He placed the glass mat above the lighter to get some soot onto it and watched it through the mat.

10:09 AM
Morn... oops, wrong time
It's always High Noon morning somewhere in the world
10:24 AM
Is this true for the moon too?
That's.. SE logo?
Too yellow
@ShadowWizard Didn't you know that the moon is made of cheese?
Nuke this question please. Why do we celebrate Christmas?
And keep an eye on the user too. Profile looks like possible troll account
10:42 AM
@Derpy Ho, Ho, Ho ... Merry X-Mas ...
Seriously. Remove. That. Tag.
That is not what "Model" is supposed to mean, but you probably knew that. So... Burination time I say.
And now I wonder.
Anyone knows if there is a way to "search" for dev stories referencing a tag/word?
@Derpy are you going to use the picture in the burnination request? ;)
? removed references to the site since AFAIK it could be virus or other unwanted content. And I think there is no doubt that the [model] tag isn't to be used for that meaning.
Nor that you should try to get a photo modeling job via DEVELOPERS Story in the first place.
10:57 AM
I want to develop my model ....
@rene flower modelling
@Derpy recall the name and ava. Escort service spammer
@JourneymanGeek As expected
Let's escort her to the exit door
and nuke them
@JourneymanGeek Also, probably worth mentioning in your old question that now they are starting spamming on the Dev Story page too.
11:19 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Username similar to website in answer: Configuration Failures: 1, Skips: 1 by SoftwareTestingMaterial on stackoverflow.com
@Derpy I think they know about dev story spamming
@AndrewT. so you offer escort sevices?
I only offer escort service to get out of SE
Lots of money is required
Lost of money is guaranteed
11:24 AM
oh, look, if they really want to trust me with a "delete account" button, I can offer volunteer free spam account deletion services.
the eventuality of me deleting @shadow account "by mistake" alongside with any other uncouth users I may find should be worth the risk. :P
Even if I'll be taken down, more uncouth users shall arise! :D
Mass deleting users is uncouth!
@ShadowWizard Not if no-one is left to mentor them in the Den. Remove the Sith Lord and the alcolites will disperse.
I believe that link is required by the U.S. CAN-SPAM Act, so it might be legal trouble for SE. — gparyani 21 mins ago
@Shog9 ^
(@gparyani is Ano by the way)
@Derpy thanks! renaming to Shadow Sith Lord
11:42 AM
But... I thought you acknowledge you'll get notified by email about phasing in Area 51? That's not really spam then...?
never mind, wrong conclusion...
12:10 PM
@AndrewT. of course not spam, but SE always give easy way to unsubscribe.
@AndrewT. correct. ;)
yeah, not like this
Nov 2 at 13:18, by Success
I just got a promo email that I don't remember subscribing to, and instead of having "unsubscribe" link, it got "add us to your address book" instead >_>
@AndrewT. lol... now that's spammy...
To be honest, in 10 years or so using gmail, I got less than 10 spam email in my inbox.
Their spam filters are totally awesome.
The spam box contains it all, sometimes I take a look and laugh. :D
Though there are some innocent victims.
(including SE emails for a while in the long past)
for some reason, all the mail from my self hosted analytics package goes into spam
The nice thing is, I never touched any setting, it's the default mail client behavior.
On the other hand, local email client I also use got like 90% spam in the inbox.
@JourneymanGeek gmail usually give a reason, no?
"Why is this message in Spam? It contains content that's typically used in spam messages. Learn more"
12:17 PM
my email provider has a feud with stack it seems
most stack emails land in my spam folder even after explicitly whitelisting them
With over 1,200 projects funded, the Movember Foundation has made huge progress in prostate cancer, testicular cancer, mental health awareness and suicide prevention - changing the way men's health is treated and talked about.

But the work isn't over yet. Men are still dying too young.

This Movember, I'm asking for you to be the difference in a man's life and make a donation today. You can help men live happier, healthier and longer lives.
wtf is this?
@Telkitty you should grow a moustashe.
cause balls matter.
@Telkitty lol
@JourneymanGeek there is a moustashe on... balls?!?!? That's... interesting. :D
12:27 PM
@Telkitty sounds like the male equivalent to breast cancer awareness month
yeah, really, you should grow moustache
Sounds like a parody to me. didn't take a real look though.
@ShadowWizard extreme manscaping man....
12:30 PM
@Telkitty Where'd you find that?
someone who I once partnered with for my app business sent this to me & it ended up in the spam folder
... Mo is for Moustache... >_>
@Telkitty it is a thing here in the Netherlands... you're supposed to grow a mustache during the month November and then shave it off for money, or something like that. Mine is still growing...
Flowery moustache???
@rene Yeah, perhaps like balding your head for cancer awareness beboldbebald.org
12:35 PM
beggards of the universe, unite!
20K image meta.stackexchange.com/questions/304278/… needs 1 more /cc @ShadowWizard @Bart @JourneymanGeek
3rd DV today :(
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