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user315433

01:52

... but don't you step on my cheap Jordan shoes

user315433

03:52

A snapshot of modern world.

user315433

> Stupid question? No such thing. #AskAStupidQuestionDay pic.twitter.com/COUlRtLjVV -- Google at 10:28 AM - 28 Sep 2017

user315433

Also known as "a day that ends in y" on Stack Exchange.

Journeyman Geek

04:41

@Michelle needs moar spamflags

Journeyman Geek

06:27

that was almost clever.

redhand

A new generation of iPhone. Available now. https://t.co/oEqZ9JzGMa

Tweeted by Apple on September 28, 2017 at 11:19 AM

Journeyman Geek

06:42

But... does it blend?

redhand

@JourneymanGeek previously a fan made video shows it has some built in gas tanks(rocket boosters) whenever it fall down, it will position to fall on backside automatically

Journeyman Geek

I think you're confusing it with Elon Musk's new product

redhand

@JourneymanGeek no. I can give you the link. may be later. TL is watching me. can't youtube now

Journeyman Geek

also, the backside is more expensive to fix than the front.

redhand

@JourneymanGeek but it is scratch resistant. I think it can prevent accidental damages too.

rene

07:00

→ 18 messages moved to Chimney

redhand

07:41

cool!!! isn't it (the title)

Journeyman Geek

it looks like someone messed up and overlaid text ;p

redhand

if you check the address bar, you can find the someone

Journeyman Geek

"localhost"

I DIDN'T DO NUFFIN!!!!!!

"Coder? I ardly knew 'er"

redhand

I can find a margin-top:100px in window.getComputedStyle but can't find it in the css file. Checking a bug on another one's code

Derpy

08:50

@JourneymanGeek Muffin?

redhand

It's really confusing in SO Jobs. It's the second time I am opening job tagged with saas by thinking that the tag is sass

Journeyman Geek

09:04

nuffin

redhand

**nuffin**

**_nʌfɪn_**

_pronoun, adjective, & adverb_

>non-standard spelling of nothing, representing informal speech.

now what the heck is that? all my markdowns..... fuuuuuu
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Journeyman Geek

eidritch unspeakable horror like typing detected

redhand

how many dogs are there that moderating atleast one se site?

1. undo
2. geek
3. ?

Magisch

09:19

tfw you have a stored procedure with a cursor within a cursor within 2 parallel cursors within a cursor within a cursor

Journeyman Geek

ChrisF

Magisch

Oded's nightmare

rene

He'll suspend you, just for that reason alone ...

redhand

The only cursor I know is..... whoops it won't appear in screenshot

Magisch

@rene to be fair it did cut the 3000 some line stored procedure down to 970 lines

and it also runs three times as fast now

I refactored it today

rene

09:22

@Magisch nice!

Magisch

@rene Before it used the select count then iterate through every row using ROWNUM() select queries in a while loop method

There are still a couple dozen SPs in this company written by my coworkers that I'll have to refactor this way

Also using insensitive cursors is very nice when you're working with views as data basis that change depending on what you do in the SP

rene

@Magisch oh boy ... but ... It Worked™

redhand

3. ChrisF
4. ?

Magisch

@rene next up: the query that creates dummy orders from formal offers in the DB. That's 8000+ lines of TSQL goodness :D

rene

Ouch

Oded

09:30

Magisch

@Oded This cursor is 5 deep

This is like a 4 times nested version of that meme

Oded

Nested cursors are the best way to melt the DB CPU :P

Magisch

@Oded And abusing ROWNUM() to emulate cursors doesn't?

Oded

And I hear ya. I've seen systems where stored procedures called other stored procedures (some 7k lines long). Systems where the code called the DB in order to find out how to call other parts of the DB.

ROWNUM and other windowing functions are better. The engine is better optimized for them, usually.

Magisch

mhm

the SP I rewrote runs in 1/3 of what it used to

not sure if that's due to cursors or other refactoring, tbh

rene

09:36

I once worked on a system that we had to migrate from Oracle to SqlServer. The oracle packages were unmaintainable already and the so called super handy migration tool did its job the resulting SP was so big, SqlServer refused to compile it. Also because it left 20% of the Oracle code in it because the tool didn't know how to handle those statements.

Oded

lol

Magisch

@Oded Real talk though, if I'm forced into using iterative loops in SPs, would you recommend rownum trickery or cursors?

I know this is a plague or smallpox question but still :p

Oded

Better go with rownum - you are giving the optimizer a fighting chance that way.

Magisch

I understand that making subqueries is better then using loops at all, isn't it?

Like if you're doing a INSERT INTO with select as values it's better then to make a loop and issue single-file inserts

Oded

Basically, yes. Again - because the optimizer can actually act on them - it has statistics and other data.

Using temp tables helps.

redhand

10:08

It should be reversed

& it'll be. in near future

Derpy

10:19

Today Is: Ask A Stupid Question Day

Should we show Meta what we are capable of?

Journeyman Geek

lol

@Derpy people have already started.

redhand

@JourneymanGeek It's not started today or yesterday. It's started years before

Journeyman Geek

It started in september ;p

redhand

@Derpy for SO, all 365 days are stupid question day. (366 in leap years as well)

@JourneymanGeek which year?

Journeyman Geek

@redhand almost the right question.

Eternal September

Eternal September or the September that never ended is Usenet slang for a period beginning in September 1993, the month that Internet service provider America Online began offering Usenet access to its many users, overwhelming the existing culture for online forums. The influx in Usenet users was also indirectly caused by the aggressive direct mailing campaign by AOL Chief Marketing Officer Jan Brandt in order to beat out CompuServe and Prodigy, which most notably involved distributing millions of floppy disks and CD-ROMs with free trials of AOL. Before then, Usenet was largely restricted to colleges...

SmokeDetector

10:30

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad NS for domain in answer: How are whatsapp calls banned even with VPN in countries like UAE by Ann on security.SE

Feeds

11:04

Contains the active ingredients from all competing cold medicines, plus the medicines for headaches, arthritis, insomnia, indigestion, and more, because who wants THOSE things?

SmokeDetector

11:18

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: Qual a melhor forma de centralizar um elemento vertical e horizontalmente? by Maiza Rocha on pt.stackoverflow.com

user315433

12:05

Electrical Engineering is 7 years old today. As an imported site chiphacker.com, it did not have a private beta on SE 2.0 platform. Top question of the year: Batteries. Why use 9V?

TheLittleNaruto

Yo

What if somebody keep starring all messages in chat, How can we avoid ? It's been 2-3 weeks, we're facing this issue.

Oded

Kick them (or have a Room Owner kick them). If they keep doing it, keep kicking in larger increments till they learn.

user315433

!!/report bitcoin.stackexchange.com/a/60098

TheLittleNaruto

Oded, Well.. that can be done only if we know who starred

user315433

!!/report 3dprinting.stackexchange.com/a/4670

TheLittleNaruto

12:12

Is it possible for guys as a mod to do something about it ?

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: How to send bitcoin with a message attached by jacob on bitcoin.SE

bluefeet

@TheLittleNaruto I'll take a look in a bit

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: Delta 3D printer extruder? by user8531 on 3dprinting.SE

Oded

@TheLittleNaruto mods don't have access to that either.

user315433

!!/report unix.stackexchange.com/a/395136

TheLittleNaruto

12:16

@bluefeet Thank you so much.

@Oded No way! 😒

Oded

@TheLittleNaruto even as employees, we need to look directly at the database.

This is incredibly rare.

TheLittleNaruto

It should have been there to track, at least for a mod. Because its very easy to abuse starring message.

One can star a message from transcript

user315433

Hm... does an offer of sex services count as spam? In particular when underage? security.stackexchange.com/a/170373

Magisch

@Michelle dafuq

TheLittleNaruto

lol ofcourse

Magisch

12:20

!!/report security.stackexchange.com/a/170373

TheLittleNaruto

it's spam

rene

@Michelle rude/abussive I think

Magisch

What ever that is it needs to be dealt with

redhand

@Michelle I tend to agree with darwin's theory now

cute,handsome,15yrs. Kid, go and learn what's mas*****tion

Elias

@redhand mastication?

TheLittleNaruto

12:28

He wouldn't have posted that if wouldn't learned that m....

redhand

@Elias nope

you have 2 attempts remaining

TheLittleNaruto

^

redhand

@Oded why not making a tool for CM's to view stars just like viewing votes?

Oded

@redhand we might. In 9 years, I've only heard about something like this two-three times. Building a tool could be more time consuming that simply dealing with the occurrences as and when they happen.

When one has a list of things to do that's as long as their arm, one has to prioritise.

bluefeet

@TheLittleNaruto stars have been handled

If it happens again, just ping a mod or flag for a mod

TheLittleNaruto

12:35

I could have done that. I wanted to know who has done it

bluefeet

@TheLittleNaruto Well I'm not going to tell you that. I'll note it for the mods for the future

TheLittleNaruto

Ok if that's the way you want to go, but at least block him from doing it again please.

Journeyman Geek

Afaik there's no way to do that.

Magisch

so many blue names in this chat

and blue feet

Cold Fire

yeah

redhand

12:48

@Magisch blue feet will be ugly without blue name

finally google realizes nowadays kids misusing smartphones.

families.google.com/familylink/setup

Elias

As always, fierce competition between Samsung and iPhone

iPhone 8 Plus Reportedly Explodes While Charging in Taiwan

redhand

@Elias that's another hidden feature.

Can be used as explosive

I think samsung is applied for the patent of that technology for note 7 and waiting for approval

Feeds

13:09

Making Remote Work: Behind the Scenes at Stack Overflow

Jess Pardue on September 29, 2017

By now you’ve probably heard about Stack Overflow’s commitment to making remote work, well… work. If not, you can read about it here, here, and a whole page of links here. Seriously, we care about it a LOT. At Stack Overflow we want to hire the best person for the job, even if that person is in Salt Lake City, Utah; Berlin, Germany; or Sao Paolo, Brazil. Promoting remote work promotes diversity, and we are committed to improving both.

However, this isn’t going to be another article about why we believe in remote work. I’m here to tell you about how we pull the whol …

user315433

13:24

@Feeds This reminds me, I haven't heard about a company-wide meetup this year.

bluefeet

@Michelle early next year

Andy

gah! That last link messes with saved searches on Jobs.

> And in the U.S. we have a rule called “prevailing wage determination” that requires some remote employees to post a paper notice in their home for at least 10 days.

I wonder if I need one of these.

user315433

I think it's for green card or H-1B visa process.

Andy

Oh. Nothing to worry about then.

Magisch

Hey andy

Andy

13:30

Greetings

Journeyman Geek

lol

That's actually somewhat interesting ;p

SNAFU

Search performance of Stack Overflow and Stack Exchange will be degraded for a few hours as we use the backup search cluster during our elastic upgrade to 5.6.1

Tweeted by thefarseeker on September 29, 2017 at 1:36 PM

Derpy

13:53

so... the stack bot. Noticed that the link on the blog page now works, but it just point to the github page. So no online "just try a question" version, would have to download the code and set up all the environment / service keys / etc just to see if it is worth.

Will have to wait for a little then

TheLittleNaruto

14:31

@bluefeet Would you please read my last message ? ^^

This one: chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/6372411#6372411

bluefeet

I read it

The only way to prevent them is by suspending them from chat

TheLittleNaruto

And is it doable for you ? Because you wont be telling the name anyway. 😀

bluefeet

I'm not planning on suspending anyone for that, at this point.

Oded

If they keep it up, however... I am sure more steps will be taken.

TheLittleNaruto

But he has been doing it for like 2-3 weeks

That's what made me come here.

redhand

14:38

Well, it sounds like that script is using Object.create. IE8 doesn't support Object.create. Depending on how the site is using it, you might be able to polyfill enough of it: developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/… But really, it's time to let IE8 die (global market share: 1.11%). Let the problem exist, and perhaps those with IE8 will upgrade. — T.J. Crowder 2 mins ago

bluefeet

Yeah, I've also annotated them so we have record in the future

@TheLittleNaruto and if it happens again flag for a mod to investigate. That's what they are there for

TheLittleNaruto

Alright.

I'll custom flag or will visit this chat.

Thank you for your time.

redhand

@TheLittleNaruto which site you're talking about?

TheLittleNaruto

@redhand SO

bluefeet

That's the best way to track this stuff.

You have to notify the mods when things get out of hand, then they can step in and deal with it

redhand

14:39

@TheLittleNaruto ah ok then. There are plenty of SO mods roaming here

TheLittleNaruto

It's not like I am complaining for the first time. For the record, check this transcript:

Sep 13 at 9:36, by TheLittleNaruto

Is it possible to find user who keeps starring all chat messages ?

3

Journeyman Geek

@TheLittleNaruto and as far as I know... no >_>

redhand

again chat search seems like broken

TheLittleNaruto

@JourneymanGeek I am not sure what are you reply to ? 😛

Journeyman Geek

@TheLittleNaruto the line above what I said ;p

TheLittleNaruto

14:42

haha

bluefeet

@TheLittleNaruto complaining is very different from flagging for moderator attention. If you're having issues in a chatroom, you're best bet is to flag for a moderator to step in

TheLittleNaruto

@bluefeet I had flagged today as well but no mod appeared. So had to come here.

Journeyman Geek

@bluefeet though, I don't actually recall any tools for sorting that out - the usual advice I give is to ignore it, since folks do it for attention

TheLittleNaruto

I'll flag next time as well.

Journeyman Geek

There used to be a way to check (some witchcraft involving websockets) but that was fixed.

TheLittleNaruto

14:45

@JourneymanGeek Well ignoring is not best solution imho

starred messages are something you would read for important stuffs

Journeyman Geek

@TheLittleNaruto there's no real way for a mod to check who starred something

Elias

RO can undo the star, no?

Journeyman Geek

eh, yeah, or a mod

TheLittleNaruto

@Elias And how many would you do ?

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in answer, link at end of answer: How to say "you brought the weather with you?" by user30073 on german.SE

Journeyman Geek

14:46

@TheLittleNaruto there's a maximum number of stars per day

I don't recall if cancelling refunds

bluefeet

@TheLittleNaruto sometimes it takes a little while for a mod to popin

TheLittleNaruto

@JourneymanGeek I know right, that's why it would be better to have some tool or something.

Journeyman Geek

(my chatrooms are well behaved ;p)

bluefeet

@JourneymanGeek yes, that's very true. We have to check the DB for it.

Ignoring it is best.

TheLittleNaruto

@JourneymanGeek You got only 5 regular users :D

Journeyman Geek

14:47

@TheLittleNaruto heh, I think RA's pretty close to critical mass

TheLittleNaruto

@JourneymanGeek Do you mean this RA's ? :P

Journeyman Geek

Root Access

TheLittleNaruto

Yeah that's your chatroom

BTW do you remember this question: superuser.com/q/981956 ? I had bugged you a lot for this problem.

Journeyman Geek

nope

TheLittleNaruto

turns out the power button was broken/not working. It was not Windows at all.

ok may be because it's too old question.

redhand

14:53

@TheLittleNaruto did you changed what the power button do to restart?

Journeyman Geek

yup

TheLittleNaruto

52 secs ago, by TheLittleNaruto

turns out the power button was broken/not working. It was not Windows at all.

Journeyman Geek

@TheLittleNaruto you should post an answer. Then self select as the correct one

closing the loop and all that

TheLittleNaruto

Alright

@JourneymanGeek Done! Check once.

redhand

oops I think it's off topic. A broken power button issue.

Journeyman Geek

14:58

on SU, probably on topic

redhand

not regular there. so not flagged

lol

facebook.com/TheHomemadeHumour/videos/1370509482984198

TheLittleNaruto

haha

redhand

facebook.com/TheHomemadeHumour/videos/1429779077057238

TheLittleNaruto

XD

redhand

facebook.com/DiscoveryChannelIndiaOfficial/videos/…

Derpy

15:13

^ just saw this pearl, hope you didn't plan to wash your 350$ jacket too often.

redhand

@Derpy better do not buy that jacket

why gmail allow me to add only 9 accounts at a time

Journeyman Geek

@Derpy probably the fact that it has an embedded touchpad

which isn't removable

TheLittleNaruto

Something you would laugh at : hastebin.com/qiradohosu.vbs @redhand

redhand

@TheLittleNaruto looks like a vbscript

TheLittleNaruto

Naah

Journeyman Geek

15:22

theverge.com/2017/3/12/14899468/…

TheLittleNaruto

Just a pastie site link

Journeyman Geek

and... I thought most people aired jackets, not washed them super often

TheLittleNaruto

^

redhand

my way of reading is... first read the bottom paragraph

:-)

TheLittleNaruto

Well.. you would spoil the fun then

redhand

15:25

now read completely

and yeah

> There is always a Malayali way to solve a difficult problem...

n u'r from @TheLittleNaruto

TheLittleNaruto

@redhand Leaf Village

redhand

??

TheLittleNaruto

You asked me, where I am from, didn't you ?

TheLittleNaruto, Leaf Village

147 13

redhand

@TheLittleNaruto where is leaf village?

Oded

In the land of fire, of course.

TheLittleNaruto

15:32

^

Oded

Naruto

Naruto (ナルト) is a Japanese manga series written and illustrated by Masashi Kishimoto. It tells the story of Naruto Uzumaki, an adolescent ninja who searches for recognition and dreams of becoming the Hokage, the leader of his village. The story is in two parts, the first set in Naruto's pre-teen years, and the second in his teens. The series is based on two one-shot manga by Kishimoto: Karakuri (1995), which earned Kishimoto an honorable mention in Shueisha's monthly Hop Step Award the following year, and Naruto (1997). Naruto was serialized in Shueisha's magazine, Weekly Shōnen Jump from 1999...

TheLittleNaruto

:)

redhand

well there is no chance a ninja knew about malayali

TheLittleNaruto

a ninja must see underneath the underneath...

Oded

In that your way of the Ninja?

TheLittleNaruto

15:36

Yes

redhand

തള്ളി തള്ളി എങ്ങോട്ടാ?

TheLittleNaruto

Sorry I don't know what did you write.

I am an illiterate person w.r.t. that script.

redhand

@TheLittleNaruto it is a test to verify that you're not malayali

Oded

Google translate says: "Where are you drowsy?"

TheLittleNaruto

@redhand You could have asked me directly.

:)

redhand

15:40

facebook.com/DUDExyz/videos/2465940793631460

@Oded I've seen it. but it is wrong

Oded

I don't doubt it.

TheLittleNaruto

I broke my iPhone 6S few days back

and I also broke my S7 Edge screen a month ago

Now I dont have money to repair them

So I bought one Nexus 6 and Nexus 5X and a iPad

redhand

@Oded തള്ള് is a word with double meaning. The dictionary meaning is push. But nowadays people use it to indicate saying things which is not real for example, saying I visited moon yesterday or simply saying they have that much assets which are fake

that's what @TheLittleNaruto is doing and yes he know malayalam

Elias

I saw a pink elephant

TheLittleNaruto

No I don't know Malayalam, But I would love to learn it.

@Elias I just saw a green one.

redhand

15:48

@Elias I saw a red one yesterday in Saturn

TheLittleNaruto

I once started practicing writing Japanese.

That was for just once though

Derpy

@JourneymanGeek yes I know why it would stop working. What I don't know is why they though it was a good idea....

anyway, have to go for now. Later.

redhand

@TheLittleNaruto now try chinese

then korean

TheLittleNaruto

I will stick to Japanese for now.

I would give a try on Chinese someday, but not rn

redhand

தமிழ்?

what about it?

TheLittleNaruto

15:54

Not now.

redhand

@TheLittleNaruto what about C

or C++

or ~~PHP~~

or JavaScript

or ~~Java~~

or .NET

TheLittleNaruto

I worked on PHP before

redhand

or Angular2

or HTML

TheLittleNaruto

angular JS too

I am into Android mostly.

Brad Larson

@rene - Hey, as a room owner of the Shadow's Den, I thought I'd let you know that we're keeping an active eye out for Hans, et al. there. Let me provide some context to this:

in Shadow's Den, 4 hours ago, by Hans1984

this guy needs to lose his job as a mod

rene

15:58

@BradLarson yeah, I was watching that while it unfolded

redhand

@TheLittleNaruto FYI, Brad larson is here and he handled many of my custom flags.

Brad Larson

In response to a series of flags in chat, I found that Hans had a lengthy history of posting racial and homophobic slurs, many of which had been hidden from us.

rene

@BradLarson I didn't step in as I thought it criticized you in your role as mod, not as in you as person which would be off-limits for me.

TheLittleNaruto

@redhand Nice. He is doing same for our chatroom.

redhand

in Shadow's Den, 4 hours ago, by InsaneCat

bluefeet ♦, Arizona

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> chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/6372370#6372370

Brad Larson

16:00

The stuff he posted was horrifying, and frankly had I been the one to act on his account he would not even have one on SO right now. In my opinion, he is no longer welcome to participate on these sites.

redhand

same goes with insane cat?

is he angry with Blue feet?

TheLittleNaruto

in Shadow's Den, 3 hours ago, by TheLittleNaruto

Well he is there to help us from a user who is abusing starring messages randomly..

rene

@BradLarson ah, I don't have that context. Do I need to step up moderation in the Den? That room is basically un-moderated by design.

Brad Larson

He then immediately created a sock puppet to evade his chat suspension, which was promptly removed. He knows exactly what he was doing, and we also know that other people were covering for him. Thus the warning I issued to their chatroom on SO.

Cold Fire

@redhand i think i need to clear that he is bad in english he meant bluefeet was silent and not the meaning the words seem to say

rene

16:01

@ShaWizDowArd if you're around, please read back above transcript

redhand

@Sha never visited tavern today

Brad Larson

This may also be related: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/357226/…

TheLittleNaruto

^

rene

@BradLarson yeah, I made that connection, that is why I kept an eye on the Den and left a message when I saw enough

Elias

should I take my popcorn?

rene

16:04

Make some for me as well

SmokeDetector

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rene

@BradLarson this is something I have discussed with @JonClements as well in the context of SOCVR: I find it hard to correctly judge when to switch to actual moderating as opposed to watch a conversation skim the lines of what is acceptable and what not.

redhand

@BradLarson slightly related

in Shadow's Den, 5 hours ago, by Hans1984

rekire probably happy he doesnt have to remove 100 cat gifs a day now

@rene FMPOV Den is a free place. Except rarest cases, there is no need to moderate it

Brad Larson

@rene I know that moderators are human punching bags, and that people should be able to criticize us, but hoo boy is he presenting a skewed narrative there. Thought I'd at least address that and warn that he and those he interacts with have a history of terrible behavior in chat.

rene

@redhand there is no free place on the SE chat network. There are rules to follow

redhand

16:11

@rene but there is no such situation in Den

TheLittleNaruto

@BradLarson That is true. Few ROs left our chat after his suspension.

rene

@BradLarson there is a bit more offensive stuff in the Den transcript that is removed. Might be something you want a CM to look at.

redhand

well I am not regular on SO chat

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

rene

@redhand let me beg to differ

There is meta.stackexchange.com/questions/270587/… and meta.stackexchange.com/questions/271267/… and be nice carries over to chat. Calling any chatroom a free place is just nonsense.

The Den is moderated to the least extent possible but that assumes above guidance is respected by its visitors/regulars.

Oded

@rene - Shadow is unlikely to be around today and tomorrow. It is the day of atonement (staring this night till tomorrow night).

rene

16:19

Ah, that is unfortunate

The pinned message in the Den should be enough of a warning and maybe I need to prepare to use those shiny RO tools when needed ...

Oded

To be clear - if I or any other employee find things in any room that go against the terms of service, that room will be shut down. There will also be consequences for people posting this problematic content in said room.

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rene

I would be surprised if you didn't.

Cold Fire

^

TheLittleNaruto

Shutting down room is not the solution imho, but kicking such users out is.

Oded

Depends on the nature and scope of the issue, @TheLittleNaruto

TheLittleNaruto

16:22

if that's taken in consideration, then fine.

Cold Fire

@rene btw i havent visited SOCVR in a while how is the room doing ?

rene

@ColdFire I think it goes well for now, the usual troublemakers but nothing we didn't or couldn't handle.

Elias

I think my popcorn maker is broken, so.. no popcorn for now :(

rene

aaawwwwww

Cold Fire

gives some popcorn to @Elias and @rene

rene

16:24

\o/

Cold Fire

@rene ah great glad to hear :)

Oded

We've had rooms where the culture was toxic. Certain behaviours and interactions that were prevalent - partially because the people who started the room didn't care so much about them ended up persisting even after multiple kicks and warnings. The only solution in those cases was to simply shut the room down.

I don't believe that the Den is like that or that the room owners would set a blind eye to such shenanigans.

Brad Larson

I will say that we almost did shut down the Android Era with Kotlin and Java chatroom on SO after reading back through the transcripts. It wasn't just Hans, but others as well, and the fact that people seemed to be OK with this behavior and even encouraged it. When I found multiple messages with slurs in them that either hadn't been flagged or had the flags dismissed on them by room members, that shows a larger problem than one user.

E.P.

is @JonEricson around? if so, we've got a couple questions for ya over at hbar

Brad Larson

Also, for a chatroom about Android, it had like four posts about Android in it over the span of days.

rene

16:35

@Oded FYI: I moved some (removed) posts from the Den to the sandbox as they contained in the history things that bothered me in some way.

Hans1984

grabs popcorn

TheLittleNaruto

@BradLarson It's not like that. It's just counting of slur messages are more than that of Android's.

Hans1984

I ate all of your popcorn I hope you are cool with that@ColdFire

Cold Fire

yeah i am fine i will cook some more

LunarWatcher

More discussions here too? It's everywhere now

Hans1984

16:43

yeah we re the talk of the town

Shog9

no discussions here. Just drinking.

Hans1984

we made it

bluefeet

@Shog9 does that mean I can start?

Shog9

i'd say you're overdue

Oded

@bluefeet it is well past 5pm here.

bluefeet

16:45

considering it's not even 10am it feels a bit early, but if you say so. :)

rene

I'm in for some Schnapps

Cold Fire

shog shows up without mentioning him

bluefeet

See we're always around

Cold Fire

hehe

rene

I'm always round

Cold Fire

16:46

flowers are not exactly round

perhaps a sphere?

rene

round enough

Shog9

don't be silly. only cows are spherical.

Cold Fire

i see kyll has changed his name lol now that is a unexpected change xD

cows spherical o_0

rene

@ColdFire yeah, he consulted the other RO's first to see if we would be OK with his new avatar. Was quite a shock

Cold Fire

yup same

no more plopping nice tho \o/

Sha Wiz Dow Ard

16:54

@rene only Brad and Hans? Or is there more?

I wonder why @Brad pinged you and not me though... :)

(good thing though as I was quite busy today)

Hans1984

theres not much to read from me in this chat here ;)@ShaWizDowArd

Sha Wiz Dow Ard

@ColdFire you mean floating around...

@Hans1984 not here, in Den

Cold Fire

@ShaWizDowArd haha yup

Sha Wiz Dow Ard

Though need to rename it now...

Cold Fire

why?

ok what about Wolf's Den?

Hans1984

16:59

dont taverns usually have alcohol?

I cant see any

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