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12:07 AM
A: Why Is SuperUser Designed to Be Hostile to Outsiders?

Journeyman GeekKinda ironically, I'm torn between commenting on your blog and answering here. I'd like to start by saying I'll be reproducing sections of your blog post for the purposes of trying to address your issues. Having read through this though, I'm unsure that you'd be satisfied but I've tried my best. ...

spent much too much time answering this
We've been running on Redis 4.0.2 stable in dev and our DR data center for a while. Upgrading the active data center in a moment.
@JourneymanGeek Why is the question tagged [stackoverflow]?
And why is is stackoverflow without a space?
you should post on meta complaining about it. (seriously)
The latter is probably impossible to fix now, [stackoverflow] is in tags everywhere. Like in 5.5 K questions here, meta.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/stackoverflow
12:13 AM
Just add a "friendly name" field for tags that allows an alternate, properly-spaced + punctuated + capitalized + whatever those weird unicode symbols tacked onto French characters are called version of the name.
@Michelle eh, if stack-overflow was correcter we could always synonimise/merge
Whitespace is represented by - in tag names already. Except when it's missing.
Same with
But yes, friendly names... like Twitter usernames / 'real' names
@JourneymanGeek tl;dr especially because one has to read that blog first, which I'm not going to.
12:16 AM
A waste of effort.
@Michelle TOTALLY why I reproduced parts of it
then I realised this guy just wants to drive traffic to his blog
Close reason: no Minimal, Complete, Verifiable Complaint.
When we rebrand to Stáck Överflow, friendly names for tags will become essential
here's the problem for me here, from the community perspective
If I close it he can go "HELP HELP I AM BEING OPPRESSED"
If we don't respond, he thinks he's right.
12:18 AM
No, don't close. Downvote.
And he will think he's right anyway, so...
because people are being hostile? ;p
quoting and answering... ;p
@Shog9 that seems a bit metal. Is this coming with the new black on black top bar?
12:49 AM
it does?
Yes, doing it to me every time phone goes inactive
I've not had issues with mobile. One of my systems keeps logging out tho
3 hours later…
3:56 AM
@Telkitty welcome home :) we've missed you
I can come & visit you and your horses next Sunday if you have time :)
@Telkitty yes!!
also tell me when you have time for a quick chat about this job. I can give him your number if you give me the ok
4:40 AM
6:21 AM
@Shog9 In light of yesterday's town hall, should I halt my weekly filling up of your ticket backlog and wait for what you're doing on SO?
14 messages moved to Chimney
7:00 AM
@Magisch yes please :P
7:12 AM
@JNat I must have increased your workload by quite a bit over the last couple of weeks :p
Well, I was out last week, so... ;P
Well, I can't really do anything other then flag what I see or ignore it
at least you can deal with it more directly.
Yeah, I know. You do your thing, and I'll do mine :)
And wait for Shog to reply to your message above, to be honest. He might still take a while before he runs the thing, so much so that it might be better for you to keep flaggin' ;)
@JNat if it was what he ran on AU - it should be .... interesting
@JNat I wonder, I saw shog mentioning a backlog. Right now I'm only flagging what happened last week every week. Is that creating an expanding backlog (meaning am I producing more flags then y'all reasonably can manually handle in a week)?
Or was that due to your vacation
7:23 AM
@Magisch you are, yeah
you increased the backlog by around 300% :P
So if I kept doing that the backlog would only grow larger every week
I would assume
I mean it's like ~80 flags a week right now
As of a week ago I also made some changes to the script to catch more serial voters with fewer false positives, so I expect it'd be about a hundred next week
@Magisch though, every once in a while, me or animuson buckle down and get it back to 0, even if it's been steadily piling up
7:25 AM
I can imagine how hard that's to deal with it takes like 3 hours every week to just flag them all
that is with having the flag text 2/3 automated at this point
Welp, I'll wait for what shog has to say on it
I'm actually kind of fascinated with how people try to abuse SO for their own ends, be it by artificially inflating reputation for some reason or spamming or subtle product placement
It's really fun to get behind how people are doing it and to devise ways to stop that
I get the latter two actually
I'm not really sure of the value of a high reputation account at this point, outside... I donno, fun?
of course, all those things are a sign of... not getting it
@JourneymanGeek Some of my friends tell me how having reputation on SO is a good thing to put on your resume
There are so many ways in which people try to one-over SE it's fascinating to find out why and how people are doing it and how to detect it
That's why charcoal is so interesting
@Magisch maybe SU reputation matters less, but that's something that would 1. Get you past a HR person who 2. Knows what SO is....
7:35 AM
but if you're faking it, you're going to get chewed up at the interview anywhere decent.
So many people are doing it though
And so many people don't end up applying "anywhere decent"
I can tell you right now you could use this as a bullet point on your resume at my workplace and they'd probably assume it's some kind of qualification
The peek behind the curtain of how the systems of abuse on SE work is so satisfying because you see all these complex schemes people have devised thinking they're so clever :D
Its worth remembering as well, that while smokey is efficient, people still did ok clearing out spam on most active sites ;p
sure. With or without smokey, spam doesn't live llong
7:39 AM
(amusingly, smokey has a lot of value outside SE probably as a set of spam filters)
@JourneymanGeek nobody approached charcoal so far
8:27 AM
@Telkitty on Android, mobile chat doesn't log me off. Refreshing stale content (and probably websocket connection), sure, but not logging off. I guess you have enabled something related to... privacy?
8:37 AM
@Elias she is special, there is unique code that logs her off. Duh.
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in answer: Trainings about mobile app testing by micah williams on sqa.SE
> How am I able to shutdown the system when I don't have SeShutdownPrivilege
and I thought SE as Stack Exchange, and then, "huh?"
9:00 AM
throwing CW on @rene
9:12 AM
@ShaWizDowArd makes awesome header causing CW to land in Sha's Den
@rene posts on meta complaining about the header
10:11 AM
Do we have spam wave on MSE? Don't remember so much spam there in the past.
Maybe the spam filters are borked? @TimPost
(Think I noticed around 10 spam questions in the last hours)
Nothing more than normal.
hmm.... too bad I don't really keep track of those.
(10 isn't a LOT, but pretty sure it used to be less)
@ShaWizDowArd looks normal to me: metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/…
10:40 AM
@ShaWizDowArd I'm seeing a bit more spam than usual (in spite of smokey) on SU
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Mostly non-Latin body, blacklisted user: TestDATA LSDKFJLDSNFKKKKKKKK by crystal guo on opendata.SE
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Mostly non-Latin answer, blacklisted user: TestDATA LSDKFJLDSNFKKKKKKKK by crystal guo on opendata.SE
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer: Which rsync client can I use on windows 7? by Ankit Kumar on superuser.com
so.... I am crafting a web page with a table showing some data from a db. As usual, no specs at all. The table has 60+ fields (many of them being note fields), so displaying them would basically mean that the scroll bar handle would have the size of a coffee bean... Asked which field to show on the table and whose to only display in a detail view....
The reply I got was "keep them all on the table, make the font smaller so more of them fit in"
10:59 AM
@rene hmm... sure Smokey catch all the spam?
@JourneymanGeek nah, typical spam account
@ShaWizDowArd nothing to flag ;p
I nuked them on SU
@JourneymanGeek well, it's not indexed by search engines afaik, so no big deal. :)
All 8 non frozen MSE chat rooms were last active today. Nice.
11:36 AM
tempted to insta-close the TeamDAG question just to see who voted to close it.....
tempted to go hiding on a desolate mountain as an hermit in order to forget the horrors of software development
deceze got a big room on his face to accommodate his nose
Perhaps its Javr? o________o — deceze ♦ 4 mins ago
can anyone stop this sh*t. I am seeing this for the 3rd time today.
Maybe more concisely: "How do you move a top 50 website from #AspNet to #AspNetCore without anyone noticing?" It'll be a fun adventure.
need moar space
12:10 PM
@redhand what you talk about? Your rep gain? The downvoted question?
@ShaWizDowArd no. the achievements indicator. the green
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer, pattern-matching website in answer: How to select the correct grinding wheel type for precision grinding of tool steels? by Suraj Tiwari on engineering.SE
@redhand you don't want to see when you get reputation?
Guess you can use some userscript to disable it.
I see the rep indicator light up many times, really no idea why it bothers you. :/
@ShaWizDowArd look the list below it. there is nothing highlighted. I've already seen it today morning. It showing the 130 for the third time
@ShaWizDowArd may be a they are planning to celebrate Diwali
It's the 100 bonus plus 3 upvotes on the answer below it
12:22 PM
@ShaWizDowArd yes,
I've already seen it in the morning
then it showed the green after few hours without any new rep change
again now
Q: Achievements dialog shows "new" rep earnings which aren't when hopping to a different site

tripleeeMultiple times today, when I have clicked open a link to one of the sites in the network, I have seen a green highlight with something like "+49" as if I had recently earned an additional 49 reputation points since I last reviewed my reputation. But these reports are for reputation which was alr...

already reported
@ShaWizDowArd yes. Still not solved and I am getting annoyed by it
@redhand wait 6-8 months... then 6-8 more months. Repeat 6-8 times, and maybe it will be fixed.
(chance is around 6-8%)
1:09 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected: Why is it a good idea to teach chess in schools? by user14435 on chess.SE
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with a link in answer: How to pick an embroidery machine by Aimee Aimee on crafts.SE
1:42 PM
Are there experiments and/or known conditions where the sitename in the <title> of question page is replaced with the pay-off: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/357195/578411
"Welcome to Where Developers Learn, Share, & Build Careers!" may be more accurate in the age of LinkeInization of SO.
That is also true, yes. I do realize the content of the title is not API contract.
Yet I can't repro
hmm... wonder who is Christopher Parnin and how is he related to the Mentorship project?
buh.... turns out the whole mentor project resulted in draft questions. Bummer.
2:00 PM
> Examines how mediums such as Stack Overflow, github, and blog posts enable a crowd of developers to more effectively learn, collobrate, and create software. Understand barriers and bias in online communities. chrisparnin.me
@ShaWizDowArd sounded like the point
Official webpage of NCSU comp-sci department, csc.ncsu.edu/people/cjparnin
Denae Ford sounds familiar...
> Assistant Professor & Assistant Professor
Huh? ^
> What we’re working on is reducing the instances of scenarios #1-3. We’re working with Denae Ford, a CS PhD student at NCSU (you might recognize her from her wonderful research work on gender-based barriers to Stack Overflow usage). Our first attempt to resolve this problem and make Stack Overflow friendlier to new folks (and hopefully also write a paper about it!), is to test a lightweight mentorship program.
2:03 PM
@JourneymanGeek yeah she is the researcher who led the project in the beginning
Just an off-by-one error, one of those hard things in computer science.
But didn't hear about Chris until now, saw him in the email we got
@ShaWizDowArd could be in two different things...
Or like the M in M & M?
2:04 PM
If Denae Ford is a PhD student, then she has an advisor...
Universities are strange
@JourneymanGeek surely @Michelle can tell
@Michelle and he's probably her advisor, since she's on his page
So he's her boss?
@JourneymanGeek Correct, www4.ncsu.edu/~dford3
2:05 PM
@ShaWizDowArd "boss" .... is kinda the wrong phrase
@Michelle whoa. 2.22 MB picture.
Clearly you've never read piled higher and deeper ;p
They surely don't care about their bandwidth...
One of her articles was 11 Signs Of A Frustrated Programmer
at least that isn't her thesis....
2:12 PM
I think they spend to much mental efforts into it.
2:29 PM
@redhand the estimate is 9-15 months. I liked Jeff's estimates better ....
20 hours ago, by Shog9
A little over a year ago, I tested a new system on Ask Ubuntu. The accuracy was much improved, but the user experience left much to be desired. After a year of additional testing, tweaking and soul-searching, I’m preparing to run a similar test on Stack Overflow.
@AaronHall the context/story behind it was interesting
Sorry I missed the town hall. But I'd like to go on record in support of this, even though I suspect it will have some negative affect on me, as I don't have a lot of rep-cap days, and I do get enthusiastic thank-you comments, probably several a month...
It's bad for the integrity and reputation of the site for users to vote for people over content.
2:45 PM
All your rep is from my sock-puppets .... mwahahahahaha
@AaronHall timing dosen't work for me. I probably could set an alarm or something, but... ;p
@rene I sometimes worry about that. I'm probably too paranoid for my own good...
and hah. For all the love I get from my users, I worry people vote for (my online persona) rather than my answers ;p
(granted meta's not 'my' users, but I think at this point I'm at least a little recognisable ;p)
negative e ffect.
worries he's gonna lose 20k rep...
But I could probably do some math and reassure myself that's not possible...
I don't like a lot of my rep coming from a few answers, but the upside is I know each upvote is a different account.
@AaronHall The backstory to this is that I was an annoying shit and increased the serial voting backlog on SO by 300%
2:57 PM
> The backstory to this is that I was an annoying shit
lets just stoooop there...
Kind as always, journeyman
I aim to please. Or for the head.
(and as I did that - "Crouching Camper Hidden Sniper" started playing on foobar2k Perfect timing)
Whoever starred that... well played sir
raises his hand
I should let my script search for aaron and unmask his voting ring conspiracy with @rene ....
That sounds as a plan
3:13 PM
My sockpuppet finding script shows @AaronHall is a sockpuppet off ... aaron hall
No one likes to admit a mistake, but it feels good for rene to come clean.
I want to create a Meta room called "The Complaints Department" with the description "Where we bitch and moan and star stupid stuff". But I want to do a lot of things I never do...
MathOverflow is 8 years old today. Most viewed questions of last year are in their cherished big-list tradition: Mathematically interesting screensavers and The most outrageous (or ridiculous) conjectures in mathematics
The youngest site, Augur, still has ridiculously unbalanced reputation: user #1 has 3928 rep, #2 has 926 rep.
I have a friend who works at BuzzFeed. The last time I saw him, I asked if he was still BuzzFed.
or buzzfed up?
@AaronHall that's all of chat
@JourneymanGeek That's not true, I started a Haskell room that's starting to get traction...
@AaronHall people will bitch and moan and star stupid stuff. In Haskell then
3:37 PM
I'd like to try to find the first Haskell room (all prior have frozen) and unfreeze and try to keep it going there, but I've already given out the link to the new room.
AFK - out to lunch...
I have "activity" page as default so I don't usually see what users put in their "bio". Jon Clements has excellent philosophy of moderation there.
3:55 PM
I'm having a zen hot-dog lunch. I told the guy to make me one with everything.
I hope you paid him exactly. Change must come from within
I did.
4:32 PM
@angussidney o hai! Time-shifted reply. We’ll definitely take this into account when putting the plan together. I like the every fourth town hall or so being “later” idea. Just need to gather some CMs who are willing to stay up late/get up early now and then. ;)
anyway, stay tuned & thanks for asking
4:59 PM
@JourneymanGeek Do you mean there is more spam that does not get not detected?
A: Can Alexa ever speak without being prompted?

HailieMy Alexa spoke out random last night. She was playing music, and I was reading an email. I said aloud "oh your so funny" and she stopped the music, and said "I'm glad you think I'm so funny" I did not say her name, and if I did, she couldn't have heard me over the music prompt her. Freaked me out!

The future is here... I hope the next invention is time machine that will travel to the time when this stuff didn't exist.
6:07 PM
1 hour later...
> Java Technologies, such as Spring, Hibernate, jQuery, JavaScript and SQL
4 hours later…
10:29 PM
@hairboat thanks! Sounds great
Bitcoin needs more than 2 mods, they will draw in disguised spam without someone with spam experience reviewing every post.
@Michelle I'm working on it
10:45 PM
Now wondering what a drawing of disguised spam would look like.
> `They were learning to draw,' the Dormouse went on, yawning and rubbing its eyes, for it was getting very sleepy; `and they drew all manner of things--everything that begins with an M--'
`Why with an M?' said Alice.
`Why not?' said the March Hare.
The Dormouse [...] went on: `--that begins with an M, such as mouse-traps, and the moon, and memory, and muchness-- you know you say things are "much of a muchness"--did you ever see such a thing as a drawing of a muchness?'
11:16 PM
@hairboat or on a different timezone ;p
Granted, you guys just lost one of the two closest to my timezone :(
11:39 PM
@Michelle hah. I actually was hunting a spammer ring yesterday, 17 accounts ._.

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