Tavern on the Meta

@Catija Yep

@1999 He hasn't bothered making his membership public

Catija

I'm not seeing the "new activity" pop-ins... Is this just me?

@Undo Oh that's it.

user259867

@Undo But then the list can't be used to give credit to the people involved... Smokey needs a public list of contributors.

12:08 AM

Because I saw my name there... and was quite confused.

@1999 github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/graphs/contributors

@Undo I'm also part of the Charcoal team, which develops tools to fight spam and to get rid of low quality and rude content quicker.

@Undo I just did.

@Dronehinge I mean on the github org

For some reason it defaults to not telling anyone else

   411  ProgramFOX
   218  hichris1234
   206 Undo1
    73  Manish Goregaokar
     7  Vincentyification
     6  Jan Dvorak
     6  AWegnerGitHub
     5  Seth-Johnson
     5  Unihedron
     3  JasonC
     3  Sam
     2  A Wegner
     2  Cameron Bernhardt
     1  Annonomus Penguin
     1  TheGuywithTheHat
     1  NerdYouDontKnow

^ Commits to Smokey

I prolly really ought to fix that

user259867

Eww, people with unsanitary names.

What, wegner?

Lynn Crumbling

12:15 AM

@1999 That's not a very nice thing to say about Jan.

(heh auto carrot carrot'd to weaner)

450 reopen reviews....yes 450

Catija

So... anyone?

Q: New navigation causes body to overflow the window

1

Great job guys! Unfortunately the new navigation causes the site to overflow the window slightly, allowing me to scroll right. This only happens when using the favorite tags filter Using Chrome 43.0.2357.125 on linux.

anyone else seeing this?

status-norepro

12:22 AM

@TinyGiant norepro here

hmmmm.... I see it a lot on the net, but never on SO, so it's probably some CSS that specifically chrome on linux doesn't agree with

> I am a normal human typing with my human hands.

Interestingly I'm on Chrome for Linux (Ubuntu) and can't remember ever seeing that issue

that's what a spider would say

@KevinBrown Chrome or chromium?

user259867

12:25 AM

@Dronehinge !!/blame Shog

Is there any difference in meaning between "astound" and "astounding" as adjectives?

user259867

Another "let's review popular closed questions" batch

@TinyGiant Chrome, also not sure how that would make a difference

user259867

@bjb568 I've never seen "astound" used as an adjective.

12:27 AM

@1999 You've never heard the phrase "astound observation!" used with a sarcastic tone?

Chromium and chrome are not the same thing. But then I guess it has to do with Fedora's version of chrome then? Which is odd because Fedora is pretty good at using vanilla versions

user259867

@bjb568 I don't read Youtube comments.

@KevinBrown What version of chrome?

@1999 why the opposite never happens? "let's review popular still open questions"

@TinyGiant 43.0.2357.125

12:31 AM

@1999 …

Must be a local thing then.

Same exact version

No repro on Chrome on OS X.

A bug, that affects one browser on one distribution of linux, 'aint that something else.

Could have to do with the tags themselves though

Found the culprit!

The feeds link is pushing the window size

12:59 AM

400+ reopen reviews

250+ low quality post reviews

so many old questions on reopen reviews...?

hey everyone

A: What's with all the reopens?

23

I'm tweaking the criteria for feeding this queue. I said I would do this months ago but... Lazy. Disgustingly lazy. Please try to review in good faith - many of these should probably stay closed, but not all of them... As always, if you can salvage a given question with an edit, do so!

user259867

@Dronehinge Reviewed 20 in LQRQ, occasionally opening the link to downvote the answer. The JavaMail FAQ thing is something. :/

@Dronehinge Still tweaking a year later?

1:07 AM

@bjb568 yes, everything always needs to be tweaked to keep competition like DD at bay

:o

tweaking of syntax highlighter intensifies

yourinpirationalweb is spammer right?

yes

@bjb568 obviously needs higher cyclomatic complexity

:D

1:08 AM

Higher is always better

true

user259867

@Braiam where?

user259867

The economy of scale is remarkable. I waste way more time in LQRQ on Math, because it typically has only 1-2 items at a time. The whole process of noticing "something there", opening queue, reviewing, and going back to other things repeats ~15 times a day.

For keeping people like nicael at bay

@TinyGiant that's why they moved servers from oregon to mile high city

1:09 AM

@1999 lqrq

lol.

And why they did SOA.

I say, run the whole site through an obfuscator

Then run it through again

or just delete everything and carefully go through what to undelete, but limit undelete's to only 20 per day per 20k+ users only

After a few hours with the new nav... I miss the old nav.

1:12 AM

@Dronehinge But first ban all 20k+ users since they're all rep whores.

@hichris123 Same feeling here.

Nothing improved.

Functionality was reduced.

All is abork.

user259867

I'm irritated by the slew of & parameters in the URL for the simplest things. It feels unclean.

@Dronehinge just burn through all [email] reviews

> Thank you for reviewing 20 low quality posts today; come back in 22 hours to continue reviewing.

nice

I tried to triage something, then I remembered at the first task that there's not tag filter

(3rd item UTC today was a php question)

@bjb568 yeah, ban Jon Skeet!

1:16 AM

@1999 DD loves post and never uses querystring excessively!

user259867

It seems that if you have more than 6 favorite tags, the new nav uses the "first" six. Is this correct?

What do you think about stackoverflow.com/questions/8751553/how-to-write-a-unit-test? Not sure it's too broad...

If !GR, TB.

G...R?

Greece?

user259867

@hichris123 Depends on how one reads: (1) how to write unit tests; (2) how to write unit tests for my Java program that adds two arrays.

1:17 AM

General reference…

Grain (unit)

A grain is a unit of measurement of mass equal to 7001647989100000000♠64.79891 milligrams. It is nominally based upon the mass of a single seed of a cereal. From the Bronze Age into the Renaissance the average masses of wheat and barley grains were part of the legal definition of units of mass. However, there is no evidence of any country ever having used actual seeds or cereal grains. Rather, expressions such as "thirty-two grains of wheat, taken from the middle of the ear" appear to have been ritualistic formulas, essentially the premodern equivalent of legal boilerplate. The grain was the legal...

user259867

New nav feels slower.

> A grain is a unit of measurement of mass equal to 64.79891 milligrams.

user259867

New nav killed John Lennon

user259867

Burn new nav

1:19 AM

> A grain is a unit of measurement of mass equal to 7001647989100000000♠64.79891 milligrams?

UNICODE BUG DETECTED

or something

@1999 Not sure that the first would be too broad though. Could be general reference...

Maybe it's just a slight rounding error…

1 of the answer mentioned "This is a very generic question and there is a lot of ways it can be answered."

Better call in @tchrist.... who isn't pingable.

(just saying~)

1:19 AM

mm I guess.

Yeah, I dunno.

@hichris123 Has it been used as a dup closer? If not, TB.

Q: How do you pronounce "Tuple"?

13

I've heard it "Tuple" where the "up" is as in "cup." But then I've also heard it as "Toople." What is the objectively correct way to say it?

language-agnostic terminology tuples

It's asking to create unit testing without specific tools/library (though all answers suggesting jUnit), too broad I guess

Toooooopəl is just weird.

user259867

I'd take the fact that the question got four normal-length answers over the course of three years (that it stayed open) as evidence that the too broad reason doesn't apply as stated.

1:22 AM

It might be salvaged by adding jUnit to the question, I guess.

@bjb568 You mean both aren't equally weird? You're weird

no u

user259867

I say /tʌpəl/, or an approximation thereof in Russian accent.

user259867

1:38 AM

Could you perhaps provide some context on what you are trying to draw? Maybe this question is better suited for StackOverflow — SBareS 15 mins ago

user259867

^ Now Math is directing crap to SO. Luckily there is enough room for it there.

@1999 Evrithin better īn-a russian asent.

name one thing

evrithin

user202362

is nothing one thing or 0 thing?

user259867

1:40 AM

@Shog9 Invite YCS to the next podcast, and you'll find out.

I... would pay money to hear that

@1999 Chesterfield Inlet Airport?

user259867

HIQ shrank by a couple hundred posts.

user259867

@hichris123 Are you tracking only Close queue? The size of HIQ is also kind of interesting.

… what's YCS?

1:49 AM

@1999 yeah, only close queue.

Oh yeah, @hichris has the horribly inefficient jQ graph thing.

@bjb568 think... The Russian Jiminy Cricket

Who's that?

Jiminy Cricket

Jiminy Cricket is the Walt Disney version of The Talking Cricket (Italian: Il Grillo Parlante), a fictional character created by Carlo Collodi for his children's book The Adventures of Pinocchio, which Disney adapted into the animated film Pinocchio in 1940. Originally an unnamed, minor character in Collodi's novel, he was transformed in the Disney version into a comical and wise partner who accompanies Pinocchio on his adventures, having been appointed by the Blue Fairy (known in the book as The Beautiful Fairy with Sky Blue Hair) to serve as Pinocchio's official conscience. Since his debut in...

@bjb568 use your common sense, please...

^ that's the answer

oh

Ok, then I'd also pay… oh, I don't have any moneh.

jadarnel27

1:52 AM

Colonel Shrapnel!

Hm… maybe I could have YCS on the DD podcast!

jadarnel27

I didn't realize he was no longer suspended.

DD podcast? Interesting.

A bunch of cats mew-ing on a mike.

2

@AndrewT. all Mike's will be pissed

user259867

@Zizouz212 The community defines the site… I'd say it needs to find or make the scope, rather than understand it. This site has a clear audience — maintainers of open source software and other works — but my ideas about scope always end up with topics that are better covered on Stack Overflow (using tools such as version control), on Programmers (software project management), on Project Management (general project management), on [community.se] (community management), etc. What benefit do we achieve by bringing these topics in one place? And if that leads to worse answers, it isn't worth it. — Gilles 5 mins ago

user259867

2:03 AM

Well said as usual.

Except that there's no community.se.

user259867

It's so neglected even Gilles doesn't know the URL.

[communitybuilding.se]

nah, just way too long

:D

Syntax highlight pull req is done! github.com/bjb568/DevDoodle/pull/217 @programfox @uni @hichris

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive body detected: Where the RIP Ridge is to make sure by Pond Baaz on drupal.stackexchange.com

user259867

2:15 AM

@SmokeDetector tpu-

My awesome highlight function starts here, in case anyone wants to bask in its glory and wonder.

user259867

Long-baking new betas tend to be the same 25 people, regardless of topic.

@SmokeDetector spam getting offensive, cool.

user259867

In contrast, elementary OS proposal drew people from outside SE. But still hasn't launched.

user259867

timehop The SE store closure was announced three years ago today. What happened to the Stack Exchange Store? by Michael Pryor on meta.stackexchange.com

2:25 AM

0_0

Seems legit.

Does you teacher ever mention sweaty teenage boys in class? Because you might want to report that to the authorities

user259867

@bjb568 The teacher is probably an adjunct, not employed full time by the university. So they have another employment, and things mix a bit.

… I'm in highschool.

Replace "adjunct" with "your average, underpaid teacher", same point still applies

2:32 AM

Oh, did you actually read that thing, @1999?

user259867

I somehow thought this was in connection with CCP thing.

No, it's on edmodo (the borken "education Facebook"), posted by health teacher.

Today, I'm learning about ST(D|I)s! How interesting…

@bjb568 That sounds like a pedo recruiting ring

2

Both the education facebook and the exercise class

Why does the textbook regard infertility as a "serious health problem"? Looks to me like the solution to the overpopulation problem…

Depends who's infertile

If it's anyone who is anywhere near the insert governmental body here, who is infertile, I think that's not a health problem, that's a blessing for all of humanity

2:37 AM

something something eugenics

something something something dark-side

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body: You try great practice set make glue guided by karenrosing on drupal.stackexchange.com

something something something "that's, just, like, your opinion, man"

sd tpu-

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, blacklisted website: Formula 41 Extreme Leg Exercises by marymink70 on unix.stackexchange.com

2:47 AM

Huh… never once does my book mention birth control or condoms or any kind of protection, just "practice abstinence!".

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/q/18814761/1849664

user259867

@SmokeDetector gone

sd tpu-

the domain in that last on is already blacklisted

@SmokeDetector -6 still not gone :(

@SmokeDetector gone :)

2:51 AM

Wikipedia article on abstinence is poorly written BTW.

pssst.

the middle button. Click it and type better stuff in the box.

I'm not qualified :)

jk, but I'm busy now doing the stupid health

[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted website: The results of an effective and strong you want by ponazi ashat on meta.stackexchange.com

user259867

@SmokeDetector tpu-

It feels so weird to know your parents know that you are learning about sex…

I guess afterward, it'll feel weird to know my parents know that I know about sex.

I wonder if they know that I feel weird to know that they know that I know about sex…

(ad infinitum)

3:05 AM

Is it weird to know that your parent's regularly have sex (probably)

I try and think about that as little as possible

same

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body: I’m going to call this page by Lois Holm on drupal.stackexchange.com

blacklist candidate examguidez.com

sd tpu-

How old are you BJB? Just curious

user259867

@James Undo blacklisted it an hour ago, that was the keyword.

ahhh

3:10 AM

@James somewhere in [0, ∞)

choose your units :)

@bjb568 I wish you to express your age in Kardashians

heh

You get that?

No, I was distracted by PHP prepared statements

got it

Really? I was going to guess 15 years +- 2 Kardashians

:p (oh, 15 years, not kardashians)

What's your IQ?

I'm going to guess 140+

3:19 AM

IDK, never measured it

I assume the tests that circulate on Facebook won't be very accurate… :p

(my mom got 80 on one)

(but still no dislike button)

I'm pretty sure that 80 is borderline mentally retarded

I think you mean "the '80s"

2

And you're right

Yeah, no you generally need a psychologist/psychiatrist to administer these tests

Facebook is mentally retarded.

so, Shog had to outlive the 80s...

Hobo Sapiens

3:23 AM

cv-pls SEO question: stackoverflow.com/q/11174534/1864610

[ SmokeDetector ] Nested quote blocks in body: Cannot access the localhost of the guest OS in VirtualBox by ilikecandy397 on askubuntu.com

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body: Sorry but like i said I promised Aventine by sinma april on superuser.com

sd tpu- ignore-

why ignore the last one?

the nested quote one

doesn't smokey run things in reverse order?

So I just tpu'd the spam and ignored the nested quotes

actually that's something that I also need the clarification...

user259867

3:31 AM

@AndrewT. You mean on the order of things?

yes

user259867

sd tpu ignore

1. [:3616548] Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.
2. [:3616547] Post ignored; alerts about it will no longer be posted.

user259867

^ See message id above.

Yep reverse order

3:33 AM

Since the addition of -, I forgot that the default syntax is verbose

I'm an idiot.

user259867

Linkless spam, expect a link to appear shortly (but I'm not waiting for it):

[ SmokeDetector ] Manually reported question: So today we're going for flower by johndarren on drupal.stackexchange.com

where did you manually reporta that from?

user259867

@James I'm running a local filter based off the same feed, but with different criteria. Sometimes it catches things that Smokey doesn't.

$\ddot\smile$ is a thing :D

user259867

3:42 AM

33

Q: Smileys in LaTeX

I would like to include smileys in my LaTeX document. Is there any package with lots of different smileys? In mnsymbol and wasysym, I found some general symbols: \documentclass{article} \usepackage{MnSymbol,wasysym} \begin{document} wasysym: \smiley{} \frownie{} \blacksmiley{} MnSymbol: \(\smi...

packages symbols

kreeeepy

user259867

Of course, MathJax doesn't support these out-of-box as they require packages.

Thank FSM…

> EIA and Western blot tests have a 98% accuracy rate.

What's that even mean? Specificity or sensitivity? Or do they even have a clue about teh bayes…

Where can I download the data dump?

!se data dump

3:55 AM

Stack Exchange Data Dump : Stack Exchange, Inc. : Free ...

wow

bjbbot did something useful

5

I'm impressed

user259867

> This item appears to not have any files that we can let you "experience" (like watching a video or viewing images) in this area.

user259867

Pls fix that, Stack Exchange.

^ The fact that "bjbbot did something useful" is noteworthy enough to get 3 stars in less than a minute only proves my point. :P

meh, I'll star anything I think others will

Q: Can we change the compression algorithm for the data dumps

3:57 AM

Wait, the data dump is simply bzipped?

Not LZMA. Huh.

18

Last time the data dump went out (April), I noticed it was quite large. And I can only guess that the next one will be much bigger. I noticed that the default LZMA compression algorithm is being used. However, 7-zip supports a compression algorithm called ppmd. This algorithm is much better at...

feature-request data-dump

bzip2 doesn't look like ppmd to me...

@kibbee we'll switch to this for the next dump, so 2 months from now. — Jeff Atwood ♦ Jun 14 '11 at 9:56

... we regressed in compression algorithms. :(

I'm curious what the difference would be. I guess I'll run tests with my old data dump copy tomorrow.

If that March one works for you, can you let me know. It wasn't working when I tried it in March

The comment section mentioned that too for torrent user

Hmm, I can't figure out how to unzip the .7z file.

4:05 AM

Use 7-Zip?

7z e foo.7z says "Error: Can not open file as archive"

Anyway, according to this article, BZIP2 is slightly larger than PPMd, but far smaller than LZMA.

@Doorknob 7-zip.org

@Andy 7z doesn't like me. ^^^

user259867

Breaking news: Shog answered an SO question, first time in more than a year.

4:09 AM

@Doorknob Be nicer to it.

@Andy I tried 7z u foo.7z please. Still didn't work.

user259867

Is it the same with other .7z files or just those from the dump?

And if it's from the dump, is it just the SO dump files? Those are the ones I was having CRC errors on in March

People using IE6 should die.

I mean, we all should, but… them especially.

Wait, shouldn't the command (on Ubuntu) be 7za e foo.7z?

4:13 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body: Some we hair this one home by Nerty chopra on meta.stackexchange.com

IE6 zombies would be awful…

I'm off to go be Batman

@Andy That one doesn't work either.

@1999 No idea; don't have any other 7z files lying around to see.

@Doorknob a random 7zip file

Same error.

wait

I'm an idiot

it didn't finish downloading yet

4:18 AM

._.

>_<

@Doorknob Did I ever give you access to the DD github repo?

@AndrewT. Ok, extracting that one works. Now let me check to make sure the data dump downloaded fully, too...

@bjb568 no

@Doorknob Link to github profile?

@bjb568 github.com/KeyboardFire

ok I'm an idiot, the data dump file being 0 bytes should have told me something

Now it works.

4:21 AM

Hmm… use CO2 fire extinguisher probably for keyboard fires.

@Doorknob You are a DD contributor now!

Prepare to be pinged all the time about it!

Here's the syntax highlight pull req.

user259867

Not sure what should be blacklisted here: the site gojixtremesitebrazil.com looks disposable... maybe Testosterone outside of bio/fitness?

[ SmokeDetector ] Manually reported question: Fats are generally disregarded today within our diets by ellijamangu on drupal.stackexchange.com

@bjb568 Hooray proceeds to do nothing

haaay, get to work!

but but I just got the data dump working!

4:24 AM

This is how company work, right? More poke = moar productives?

@Doorknob werk! werk! werk!

29 issues for you to fix!

Just remember: cyclomatic complexity is your friend.

ooooh look, a "Close Issue" button!

:o

29 of them!

just waiting to be pressed!

:0

> Both a stroke and a heart attack are cardiovascular problems!

I just wrote a "!" because I'm getting excited.

also, distract -> bad grammarz

4:37 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted website: You should try a pose Formula 41 Extreme by user48926 on drupal.stackexchange.com

[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in answer: Proof of vertical and horizontal velocity component in projectile motion by Raul on physics.stackexchange.com

[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in body: Default Error page in Jboss EAP to be disabled or modified by raghu veer on stackoverflow.com

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body: Antiaging Products And Healing From Within by gertrud sharer on superuser.com

user259867

sd tpu- ignore- ignore- tpu-

[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted website: Effectively without any threats and side effects by wilterforx smith on drupal.stackexchange.com

user259867

4:55 AM

One way to identify good mod candidates is to observe who participates in tagging discussions.

user259867

I think that on Crypto, I'm voting for the 3 users participating here

Going to bed…

Test the syntax highlighter, @undo @hichris @uni @programfox! kthxbai

Night!

user259867

5:12 AM

blacklist candidate tophealthbuy.com; but probably blacklisting Testosterone nwb is better.

[ SmokeDetector ] Manually reported question: Be sure that you complete the necessary by Clair Aldridge on meta.stackexchange.com

user259867

Another of this kind, same site same Testosterone, not reported:

[ SmokeDetector ] Manually reported question: Vegetarians are seldom successful in building by Clair Aldridge on drupal.stackexchange.com

sd 3tpu

1. [:3616735] Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.
2. [:3616730] Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.
3. [:3616717] Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: Your Diet Can Improve Your Brain Power by shannon solomon on scifi.stackexchange.com

5:24 AM

> In my opinion, you've seen the horribly low brow parts.

uhh... low brow, bro.

sd tpu-

Nick Alexeev

Folks, do these StackExchange chats of ours get indexed by search engines ?

Can someone look for my name and find all the flak and humor that I have posted over the years ?

A: Will chat rooms be indexed by Google?

7

Yes, they will be indexed. They are public by default. (you can't talk in a room unless you have 20 rep on the parent site, but you can listen as much as you want)

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body: What is Stealing Creation in 07 runescape gold? by rsstar on gamedev.stackexchange.com

user259867

@NickAlexeev chat.stackexchange.com/robots.txt

5:31 AM

@NickAlexeev maybe not all, but chat.meta.stackexchange.com/users/254079/…

Nick Alexeev

@1999 I know what robots.txt is for. But I can't understand what are the specific instructions in that robots.txt . My web dev skills are rudimentary at best.

user259867

@NickAlexeev Transcripts are allowed to robots. Searching "nick alexeev" site:chat.stackexchange.com does bring up old messages. But generally, chat rooms have low page rank, so they would not necessarily show up on the first page without the site parameter.

@NickAlexeev think it means that it will index all pages like http://chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/3616751#3616751 but not pages like http://chat.meta.stackexchange.com/users/254079/nick-alexeev?tab=recent , so not ones where there's question mark , except it does allow some like that as shown in the robots.txt file

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body: increase facial glow of my face? by jimmysoviya on drupal.stackexchange.com

sd 1tpu