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Hey. Anyone here have the New Nav?
@Catija Yep
@1999 He hasn't bothered making his membership public
I'm not seeing the "new activity" pop-ins... Is this just me?
@Undo Oh that's it.
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@Undo But then the list can't be used to give credit to the people involved... Smokey needs a public list of contributors.
00:08
Because I saw my name there... and was quite confused.
@Undo I just did.
@Dronehinge I mean on the github org
For some reason it defaults to not telling anyone else
   411  ProgramFOX
   218  hichris1234
   206 Undo1
    73  Manish Goregaokar
     7  Vincentyification
     6  Jan Dvorak
     6  AWegnerGitHub
     5  Seth-Johnson
     5  Unihedron
     3  JasonC
     3  Sam
     2  A Wegner
     2  Cameron Bernhardt
     1  Annonomus Penguin
     1  TheGuywithTheHat
     1  NerdYouDontKnow
^ Commits to Smokey
I prolly really ought to fix that
user259867
Eww, people with unsanitary names.
What, wegner?
00:15
@1999 That's not a very nice thing to say about Jan.
(heh auto carrot carrot'd to weaner)
So... anyone?
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Q: New navigation causes body to overflow the window

Tiny GiantGreat job guys! Unfortunately the new navigation causes the site to overflow the window slightly, allowing me to scroll right. This only happens when using the favorite tags filter Using Chrome 43.0.2357.125 on linux.

anyone else seeing this?
status-norepro
00:22
@TinyGiant norepro here
hmmmm.... I see it a lot on the net, but never on SO, so it's probably some CSS that specifically chrome on linux doesn't agree with
> I am a normal human typing with my human hands.
Interestingly I'm on Chrome for Linux (Ubuntu) and can't remember ever seeing that issue
that's what a spider would say
@KevinBrown Chrome or chromium?
user259867
00:25
@Dronehinge !!/blame Shog
Is there any difference in meaning between "astound" and "astounding" as adjectives?
user259867
Another "let's review popular closed questions" batch
@TinyGiant Chrome, also not sure how that would make a difference
user259867
@bjb568 I've never seen "astound" used as an adjective.
00:27
@1999 You've never heard the phrase "astound observation!" used with a sarcastic tone?
Chromium and chrome are not the same thing. But then I guess it has to do with Fedora's version of chrome then? Which is odd because Fedora is pretty good at using vanilla versions
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@bjb568 I don't read Youtube comments.
@KevinBrown What version of chrome?
@1999 why the opposite never happens? "let's review popular still open questions"
@TinyGiant 43.0.2357.125
00:31
@1999 …
Must be a local thing then.
Same exact version
No repro on Chrome on OS X.
A bug, that affects one browser on one distribution of linux, 'aint that something else.
Could have to do with the tags themselves though
Found the culprit!
The feeds link is pushing the window size
so many old questions on reopen reviews...?
hey everyone
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A: What's with all the reopens?

Shog9I'm tweaking the criteria for feeding this queue. I said I would do this months ago but... Lazy. Disgustingly lazy. Please try to review in good faith - many of these should probably stay closed, but not all of them... As always, if you can salvage a given question with an edit, do so!

user259867
@Dronehinge Reviewed 20 in LQRQ, occasionally opening the link to downvote the answer. The JavaMail FAQ thing is something. :/
@Dronehinge Still tweaking a year later?
01:07
@bjb568 yes, everything always needs to be tweaked to keep competition like DD at bay
:o
tweaking of syntax highlighter intensifies
yourinpirationalweb is spammer right?
yes
@bjb568 obviously needs higher cyclomatic complexity
01:08
Higher is always better
user259867
@Braiam where?
user259867
The economy of scale is remarkable. I waste way more time in LQRQ on Math, because it typically has only 1-2 items at a time. The whole process of noticing "something there", opening queue, reviewing, and going back to other things repeats ~15 times a day.
For keeping people like nicael at bay
@TinyGiant that's why they moved servers from oregon to mile high city
01:09
@1999 lqrq
And why they did SOA.
I say, run the whole site through an obfuscator
Then run it through again
or just delete everything and carefully go through what to undelete, but limit undelete's to only 20 per day per 20k+ users only
After a few hours with the new nav... I miss the old nav.
01:12
@Dronehinge But first ban all 20k+ users since they're all rep whores.
@hichris123 Same feeling here.
Nothing improved.
Functionality was reduced.
All is abork.
user259867
I'm irritated by the slew of & parameters in the URL for the simplest things. It feels unclean.
@Dronehinge just burn through all [email] reviews
> Thank you for reviewing 20 low quality posts today; come back in 22 hours to continue reviewing.
I tried to triage something, then I remembered at the first task that there's not tag filter
(3rd item UTC today was a php question)
@bjb568 yeah, ban Jon Skeet!
01:16
@1999 DD loves post and never uses querystring excessively!
user259867
It seems that if you have more than 6 favorite tags, the new nav uses the "first" six. Is this correct?
What do you think about stackoverflow.com/questions/8751553/how-to-write-a-unit-test? Not sure it's too broad...
If !GR, TB.
G...R?
Greece?
user259867
@hichris123 Depends on how one reads: (1) how to write unit tests; (2) how to write unit tests for my Java program that adds two arrays.
01:17
General reference…
A grain is a unit of measurement of mass equal to 7001647989100000000♠64.79891 milligrams. It is nominally based upon the mass of a single seed of a cereal. From the Bronze Age into the Renaissance the average masses of wheat and barley grains were part of the legal definition of units of mass. However, there is no evidence of any country ever having used actual seeds or cereal grains. Rather, expressions such as "thirty-two grains of wheat, taken from the middle of the ear" appear to have been ritualistic formulas, essentially the premodern equivalent of legal boilerplate. The grain was the legal...
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New nav feels slower.
> A grain is a unit of measurement of mass equal to 64.79891 milligrams.
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New nav killed John Lennon
user259867
Burn new nav
01:19
> A grain is a unit of measurement of mass equal to 7001647989100000000♠64.79891 milligrams?
UNICODE BUG DETECTED
or something
@1999 Not sure that the first would be too broad though. Could be general reference...
Maybe it's just a slight rounding error…
1 of the answer mentioned "This is a very generic question and there is a lot of ways it can be answered."
Better call in @tchrist.... who isn't pingable.
(just saying~)
01:19
mm I guess.
Yeah, I dunno.
@hichris123 Has it been used as a dup closer? If not, TB.
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Q: How do you pronounce "Tuple"?

The InternetI've heard it "Tuple" where the "up" is as in "cup." But then I've also heard it as "Toople." What is the objectively correct way to say it?

It's asking to create unit testing without specific tools/library (though all answers suggesting jUnit), too broad I guess
Toooooopəl is just weird.
user259867
I'd take the fact that the question got four normal-length answers over the course of three years (that it stayed open) as evidence that the too broad reason doesn't apply as stated.
01:22
It might be salvaged by adding jUnit to the question, I guess.
@bjb568 You mean both aren't equally weird? You're weird
no u
user259867
I say /tʌpəl/, or an approximation thereof in Russian accent.
user259867
01:38
Could you perhaps provide some context on what you are trying to draw? Maybe this question is better suited for StackOverflow — SBareS 15 mins ago
user259867
^ Now Math is directing crap to SO. Luckily there is enough room for it there.
@1999 Evrithin better īn-a russian asent.
name one thing
evrithin
user202362
is nothing one thing or 0 thing?
user259867
01:40
@Shog9 Invite YCS to the next podcast, and you'll find out.
I... would pay money to hear that
@1999 Chesterfield Inlet Airport?
user259867
HIQ shrank by a couple hundred posts.
user259867
@hichris123 Are you tracking only Close queue? The size of HIQ is also kind of interesting.
… what's YCS?
01:49
@1999 yeah, only close queue.
Oh yeah, @hichris has the horribly inefficient jQ graph thing.
@bjb568 think... The Russian Jiminy Cricket
Who's that?
Jiminy Cricket is the Walt Disney version of The Talking Cricket (Italian: Il Grillo Parlante), a fictional character created by Carlo Collodi for his children's book The Adventures of Pinocchio, which Disney adapted into the animated film Pinocchio in 1940. Originally an unnamed, minor character in Collodi's novel, he was transformed in the Disney version into a comical and wise partner who accompanies Pinocchio on his adventures, having been appointed by the Blue Fairy (known in the book as The Beautiful Fairy with Sky Blue Hair) to serve as Pinocchio's official conscience. Since his debut in...
@bjb568 use your common sense, please...
^ that's the answer
oh
Ok, then I'd also pay… oh, I don't have any moneh.
01:52
Colonel Shrapnel!
Hm… maybe I could have YCS on the DD podcast!
I didn't realize he was no longer suspended.
DD podcast? Interesting.
A bunch of cats mew-ing on a mike.
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@AndrewT. all Mike's will be pissed
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@Zizouz212 The community defines the site… I'd say it needs to find or make the scope, rather than understand it. This site has a clear audience — maintainers of open source software and other works — but my ideas about scope always end up with topics that are better covered on Stack Overflow (using tools such as version control), on Programmers (software project management), on Project Management (general project management), on [community.se] (community management), etc. What benefit do we achieve by bringing these topics in one place? And if that leads to worse answers, it isn't worth it. — Gilles 5 mins ago
user259867
02:03
Well said as usual.
Except that there's no community.se.
user259867
It's so neglected even Gilles doesn't know the URL.
[communitybuilding.se]
nah, just way too long
:D
Syntax highlight pull req is done! github.com/bjb568/DevDoodle/pull/217 @programfox @uni @hichris
[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive body detected: Where the RIP Ridge is to make sure by Pond Baaz on drupal.stackexchange.com
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02:15
@SmokeDetector tpu-
My awesome highlight function starts here, in case anyone wants to bask in its glory and wonder.
user259867
Long-baking new betas tend to be the same 25 people, regardless of topic.
@SmokeDetector spam getting offensive, cool.
user259867
In contrast, elementary OS proposal drew people from outside SE. But still hasn't launched.
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The SE store closure was announced three years ago today. What happened to the Stack Exchange Store? by Michael Pryor on meta.stackexchange.com
02:25
0_0
Seems legit.
Does you teacher ever mention sweaty teenage boys in class? Because you might want to report that to the authorities
user259867
@bjb568 The teacher is probably an adjunct, not employed full time by the university. So they have another employment, and things mix a bit.
… I'm in highschool.
Replace "adjunct" with "your average, underpaid teacher", same point still applies
02:32
Oh, did you actually read that thing, @1999?
user259867
I somehow thought this was in connection with CCP thing.
No, it's on edmodo (the borken "education Facebook"), posted by health teacher.
Today, I'm learning about ST(D|I)s! How interesting…
@bjb568 That sounds like a pedo recruiting ring
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Both the education facebook and the exercise class
Why does the textbook regard infertility as a "serious health problem"? Looks to me like the solution to the overpopulation problem…
Depends who's infertile
If it's anyone who is anywhere near the insert governmental body here, who is infertile, I think that's not a health problem, that's a blessing for all of humanity
02:37
something something eugenics
something something something dark-side
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body: You try great practice set make glue guided by karenrosing on drupal.stackexchange.com
something something something "that's, just, like, your opinion, man"
sd tpu-
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, blacklisted website: Formula 41 Extreme Leg Exercises by marymink70 on unix.stackexchange.com
02:47
Huh… never once does my book mention birth control or condoms or any kind of protection, just "practice abstinence!".
user259867
@SmokeDetector gone
sd tpu-
the domain in that last on is already blacklisted
@SmokeDetector -6 still not gone :(
@SmokeDetector gone :)
02:51
Wikipedia article on abstinence is poorly written BTW.
pssst.
the middle button. Click it and type better stuff in the box.
I'm not qualified :)
jk, but I'm busy now doing the stupid health
[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted website: The results of an effective and strong you want by ponazi ashat on meta.stackexchange.com
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@SmokeDetector tpu-
It feels so weird to know your parents know that you are learning about sex…
I guess afterward, it'll feel weird to know my parents know that I know about sex.
I wonder if they know that I feel weird to know that they know that I know about sex…
(ad infinitum)
03:05
Is it weird to know that your parent's regularly have sex (probably)
I try and think about that as little as possible
same
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body: I’m going to call this page by Lois Holm on drupal.stackexchange.com
blacklist candidate examguidez.com
sd tpu-
How old are you BJB? Just curious
user259867
@James Undo blacklisted it an hour ago, that was the keyword.
ahhh
03:10
@James somewhere in [0, ∞)
choose your units :)
@bjb568 I wish you to express your age in Kardashians
heh
You get that?
No, I was distracted by PHP prepared statements
got it
Really? I was going to guess 15 years +- 2 Kardashians
:p (oh, 15 years, not kardashians)
What's your IQ?
I'm going to guess 140+
03:19
IDK, never measured it
I assume the tests that circulate on Facebook won't be very accurate… :p
(my mom got 80 on one)
(but still no dislike button)
I'm pretty sure that 80 is borderline mentally retarded
I think you mean "the '80s"
2
And you're right
Yeah, no you generally need a psychologist/psychiatrist to administer these tests
Facebook is mentally retarded.
so, Shog had to outlive the 80s...
sd tpu- ignore-
why ignore the last one?
the nested quote one
doesn't smokey run things in reverse order?
So I just tpu'd the spam and ignored the nested quotes
actually that's something that I also need the clarification...
user259867
03:31
@AndrewT. You mean on the order of things?
user259867
sd tpu ignore
1. [:3616548] Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.
2. [:3616547] Post ignored; alerts about it will no longer be posted.
user259867
^ See message id above.
Yep reverse order
03:33
Since the addition of -, I forgot that the default syntax is verbose
I'm an idiot.
user259867
Linkless spam, expect a link to appear shortly (but I'm not waiting for it):
[ SmokeDetector ] Manually reported question: So today we're going for flower by johndarren on drupal.stackexchange.com
where did you manually reporta that from?
user259867
@James I'm running a local filter based off the same feed, but with different criteria. Sometimes it catches things that Smokey doesn't.
$\ddot\smile$ is a thing :D
user259867
03:42
33
Q: Smileys in LaTeX

LanI would like to include smileys in my LaTeX document. Is there any package with lots of different smileys? In mnsymbol and wasysym, I found some general symbols: \documentclass{article} \usepackage{MnSymbol,wasysym} \begin{document} wasysym: \smiley{} \frownie{} \blacksmiley{} MnSymbol: \(\smi...

kreeeepy
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Of course, MathJax doesn't support these out-of-box as they require packages.
Thank FSM…
> EIA and Western blot tests have a 98% accuracy rate.
What's that even mean? Specificity or sensitivity? Or do they even have a clue about teh bayes…
Where can I download the data dump?
!se data dump
wow
bjbbot did something useful
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I'm impressed
user259867
> This item appears to not have any files that we can let you "experience" (like watching a video or viewing images) in this area.
user259867
Pls fix that, Stack Exchange.
^ The fact that "bjbbot did something useful" is noteworthy enough to get 3 stars in less than a minute only proves my point. :P
meh, I'll star anything I think others will
03:57
Wait, the data dump is simply bzipped?
Not LZMA. Huh.
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Q: Can we change the compression algorithm for the data dumps

KibbeeLast time the data dump went out (April), I noticed it was quite large. And I can only guess that the next one will be much bigger. I noticed that the default LZMA compression algorithm is being used. However, 7-zip supports a compression algorithm called ppmd. This algorithm is much better at...

bzip2 doesn't look like ppmd to me...
@kibbee we'll switch to this for the next dump, so 2 months from now. — Jeff Atwood ♦ Jun 14 '11 at 9:56
... we regressed in compression algorithms. :(
I'm curious what the difference would be. I guess I'll run tests with my old data dump copy tomorrow.
If that March one works for you, can you let me know. It wasn't working when I tried it in March
The comment section mentioned that too for torrent user
Hmm, I can't figure out how to unzip the .7z file.
04:05
Use 7-Zip?
7z e foo.7z says "Error: Can not open file as archive"
Anyway, according to this article, BZIP2 is slightly larger than PPMd, but far smaller than LZMA.
@Doorknob 7-zip.org
@Andy 7z doesn't like me. ^^^
user259867
Breaking news: Shog answered an SO question, first time in more than a year.
04:09
@Doorknob Be nicer to it.
@Andy I tried 7z u foo.7z please. Still didn't work.
user259867
Is it the same with other .7z files or just those from the dump?
And if it's from the dump, is it just the SO dump files? Those are the ones I was having CRC errors on in March
People using IE6 should die.
I mean, we all should, but… them especially.
Wait, shouldn't the command (on Ubuntu) be 7za e foo.7z?
04:13
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body: Some we hair this one home by Nerty chopra on meta.stackexchange.com
IE6 zombies would be awful…
I'm off to go be Batman
@Andy That one doesn't work either.
@1999 No idea; don't have any other 7z files lying around to see.
Same error.
wait
I'm an idiot
it didn't finish downloading yet
04:18
._.
@Doorknob Did I ever give you access to the DD github repo?
@AndrewT. Ok, extracting that one works. Now let me check to make sure the data dump downloaded fully, too...
@bjb568 no
@Doorknob Link to github profile?
ok I'm an idiot, the data dump file being 0 bytes should have told me something
Now it works.
04:21
Hmm… use CO2 fire extinguisher probably for keyboard fires.
@Doorknob You are a DD contributor now!
Prepare to be pinged all the time about it!
user259867
Not sure what should be blacklisted here: the site gojixtremesitebrazil.com looks disposable... maybe Testosterone outside of bio/fitness?
[ SmokeDetector ] Manually reported question: Fats are generally disregarded today within our diets by ellijamangu on drupal.stackexchange.com
@bjb568 Hooray proceeds to do nothing
haaay, get to work!
but but I just got the data dump working!
04:24
This is how company work, right? More poke = moar productives?
@Doorknob werk! werk! werk!
29 issues for you to fix!
Just remember: cyclomatic complexity is your friend.
ooooh look, a "Close Issue" button!
29 of them!
just waiting to be pressed!
:0
> Both a stroke and a heart attack are cardiovascular problems!
I just wrote a "!" because I'm getting excited.
also, distract -> bad grammarz
04:37
[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted website: You should try a pose Formula 41 Extreme by user48926 on drupal.stackexchange.com
[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in answer: Proof of vertical and horizontal velocity component in projectile motion by Raul on physics.stackexchange.com
[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in body: Default Error page in Jboss EAP to be disabled or modified by raghu veer on stackoverflow.com
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body: Antiaging Products And Healing From Within by gertrud sharer on superuser.com
user259867
sd tpu- ignore- ignore- tpu-
user259867
04:55
One way to identify good mod candidates is to observe who participates in tagging discussions.
user259867
I think that on Crypto, I'm voting for the 3 users participating here
Going to bed…
Test the syntax highlighter, @undo @hichris @uni @programfox! kthxbai
Night!
user259867
05:12
blacklist candidate tophealthbuy.com; but probably blacklisting Testosterone nwb is better.
[ SmokeDetector ] Manually reported question: Be sure that you complete the necessary by Clair Aldridge on meta.stackexchange.com
user259867
Another of this kind, same site same Testosterone, not reported:
[ SmokeDetector ] Manually reported question: Vegetarians are seldom successful in building by Clair Aldridge on drupal.stackexchange.com
sd 3tpu
1. [:3616735] Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.
2. [:3616730] Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.
3. [:3616717] Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: Your Diet Can Improve Your Brain Power by shannon solomon on scifi.stackexchange.com
05:24
> In my opinion, you've seen the horribly low brow parts.
uhh... low brow, bro.
sd tpu-
Folks, do these StackExchange chats of ours get indexed by search engines ?
Can someone look for my name and find all the flak and humor that I have posted over the years ?
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A: Will chat rooms be indexed by Google?

Jeff AtwoodYes, they will be indexed. They are public by default. (you can't talk in a room unless you have 20 rep on the parent site, but you can listen as much as you want)

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body: What is Stealing Creation in 07 runescape gold? by rsstar on gamedev.stackexchange.com
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05:31
@NickAlexeev maybe not all, but chat.meta.stackexchange.com/users/254079/…
@1999 I know what robots.txt is for. But I can't understand what are the specific instructions in that robots.txt . My web dev skills are rudimentary at best.
user259867
@NickAlexeev Transcripts are allowed to robots. Searching "nick alexeev" site:chat.stackexchange.com does bring up old messages. But generally, chat rooms have low page rank, so they would not necessarily show up on the first page without the site parameter.
@NickAlexeev think it means that it will index all pages like http://chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/3616751#3616751 but not pages like http://chat.meta.stackexchange.com/users/254079/nick-alexeev?tab=recent , so not ones where there's question mark , except it does allow some like that as shown in the robots.txt file
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body: increase facial glow of my face? by jimmysoviya on drupal.stackexchange.com
sd 1tpu
05:45
@Dronehinge [:3616756] Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.

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