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Jon Ericson

22:01

@Braiam Well, that answers my next question.

user259867

@Braiam You should be happy with [status-planned]... most proposals don't get that far.

AstroCB

22:17

@Braiam Right now, it actually says this:

> I don't really have much to say here.

hichris123

@pizza Does SE need more devs or something?

AstroCB

It's probably much more complicated than I realize, but it doesn't seem that difficult to me.

Jon Ericson

@hichris123 Yes.

AstroCB

All they have to do is include the shortcuts.js file, right?

user259867

Now that the box is larger, the character limit should be increased... I'm at the limit now, and can't add to the bio...

SmokeDetector

22:19

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: HEELP ME OUT!!! by Dan on scifi.stackexchange.com

AstroCB

So why not just keep that as part of the profile configuration on each site?

Alexis King

@SmokeDetector tagged: space

hichris123

@JonEricson Well, of course. :P Somehow I don't think that job is for me though -- who knows if it's even legal (since I'm a minor).

AstroCB

@hichris123 Depends on the state.

Probably not full-time, though.

Someone just went through and downvoted every candidate.

hichris123

@AstroCB Probably not, but since SE is based in NY, do you have to follow NY laws? shrug IANAL.

AstroCB

22:22

@hichris123 Not unless you move to NY, I think (IANAL indeed).

Alexis King

I'm 18 now! Can I have a job with SE? :P

Undo

Still irritates me that I can work part-time, for pay, on really really important systems, but it's illegal for me to go mow someone else's yard for pay. Grr.

Jon Ericson

@AstroCB FIGHT THE POWER!!!

user259867

@Undo So it depends on the stated where the business is located?

Tim Stone

@JonEricson I could use a little extra cash, I'm not saying that someone should pay me to prettify the election page, but I'll let @hichris123 say it.

AstroCB

22:23

Am I missing something? Why did the other guy reject this as spam?

Alexis King

@AstroCB Saying "learn more about this on Wikipedia" is useless.

hichris123

@TimStone Nah nah nah SEDE!

AstroCB

@AlexisKing It's not spam, though.

Alexis King

@AstroCB It's not, but whatever.

Tim Stone

@hichris123 ALL the things!

hichris123

22:24

@AlexisKing Go apply.

Alexis King

@hichris123 I don't know any real-world .NET. ;)

hichris123

@pizza I'm not positive on that...

@AlexisKing You can learn. :)

Alexis King

@hichris123 I can't imagine C# would be that hard to figure out considering I know Java inside-out, and C# is basically just a better Java.

That said, I think they'd probably like me to learn that before hiring me. ;p

hichris123

@AlexisKing Likely, but it's not a requirement.

Alexis King

Also, I'd like to work onsite, and I live in Los Angeles. :(

SE, set up an office over here, please! :D

hichris123

22:26

> Experience in a major server-side web development stack (e.g. RoR, ASP.NET, nodejs, etc). Experience in our stack (C# / ASP.NET MVC / SQL Server) is a plus, but not a requirement.

Braiam

@AstroCB I wonder, is that tag really useful?

Alexis King

Hmm. Who should I uselessly bug about setting up an office in LA?

!!/blame

SmokeDetector

@AlexisKing It's AstroCB's fault.

Alexis King

Well.

Braiam

the fact that both questions are tagged [r] doesn't makes me so confortable

AstroCB

22:28

@Braiam There are only two questions, so...

Alexis King

Let's try the wheel of blame instead.

AstroCB

!blame @AlexisKing

Well, that broke.

!blame @AlexisKing

xkcdBot

It's @AlexisKing's fault.

Alexis King

:(

Jon Ericson

@AlexisKing My cover letter went on and on about how I'd hate to live in NY and how much happier I am to work from LA. I'm pretty sure I got hired by accident. (Seriously, though: I don't plan to commute again in my life. Working remote is awesome.)

Alexis King

22:29

@JonEricson I don't trust my ability to manage myself enough to work remotely. :P

Jon Ericson

@AlexisKing That was my fear too. It turns out when you are busy doing something you love doing, that's not so much of a problem. At least it hasn't been for me so far.

AstroCB

Apr 7 at 1:53, by Jason C

Don't you know? If you append a :) to any comment, it immediately makes it ok.

This makes absolutely no sense :) — RichardAE yesterday

Anonymous

It would be nice to be able to get a competitive salary and still be able to live somewhere you really like, even if it's in the middle of nowhere.

Anonymous

In the woods, say.

tchrist

@JeremyBanks Jobs like that exist.

Anonymous

22:36

Yes: Stack Exchange seems like it's probably one of them.

Anonymous

"But there aren't that many good options" he says, despite not really having significant information on which to base the statement.

AstroCB

I understand that link-only answers are bad, but I've become less averse to them over the past couple of months, so when I saw one making a pitch at an answer and giving a link to the Oracle docs (which I hope aren't going anywhere anytime soon), I clicked "No Action Needed," and, well...

Alexis King

@JonEricson SE is definitely a place I'd love to work at some point, even if perhaps that time isn't right now. :)

tchrist

@JeremyBanks Depends. I put 1800 miles on my car commuting over the past 8 months.

Anonymous

@tchrist True, that totally slipped my mind.

AstroCB

22:39

!xkcd status

xkcdBot

tchrist

Of course, it takes a different skill set than SE.

Anonymous

I hate cars (don't drive), and also hate commuting by transit, so I've significantly limited my options.

Undo

That sounds like a great excuse to stay home all day. I'm gonna try it.

user259867

@AstroCB I think the problem there is not the link. It's just saying "try using If Then Else". I can leave that answer under so many questions...

Ixrec

22:40

@JeremyBanks I really like commuting by train, don't have to waste mental energy on driving, and I don't have to live in the middle of London

AstroCB

@pizza That's true, but the audit system isn't smart enough to know that.

The answer's only at -1.

user259867

The answer is deleted.

user259867

All answers shown as known bad audits are deleted.

Anonymous

@Ixrec Yeah, that's reasonable.

Anonymous

My current commute is a 14-minute bike ride, and I've spoiled myself for life.

tchrist

22:42

Nginx, FastCGI, Plack, DBIC, mysql, 100% Perl all running on a zillion Linux boxes. More than a million lines of code, &c&c&c.

No Microsoft at all. ;))

My C skills are languishing. Oh well. ;)

AstroCB

@pizza I know, but isn't that because the question was deleted (or was it deleted separately)?

tchrist

The TZ thing can be disorienting, but this is only 3 of them not 12 like last team.

AstroCB

It's my fault, really. The one time I let a link-only answer slide and of course it's an audit.

user259867

@AstroCB I think the answer should have been deleted separately in order to qualify as known bad audit. Just having -1 wouldn't do it.

AstroCB

Just thought I'd complain.

In other news, I'm review-banned now despite not having failed an audit in months.

Great for my mod campaign.

Undo

22:45

@AstroCB Links to all the audits you've failed?

in the last week or so?

AstroCB

@Undo Is there a place I can find those?

Undo

Not sure

tchrist

Some people hate remote.

@AstroCB Have you tried bribes or burnt offerings?

Braiam

@tchrist specially when it gets lost in the couch

AstroCB

@tchrist I was thinking of leaving a bounty for a current mod's answer.

But I'd probably inadvertently choose the one who's leaving after this election.

Undo

22:48

lol

tchrist

@AstroCB Can mere mods lift review bans? If not you may have to send Shog some single-malt.

But seriously, why banned?

Braiam

he failed a single audit

or two...

Jon Ericson

@AstroCB We should probably add some indication of failed reviews to the activity tab.

tchrist

Hey I read "he failed a single malt".

hichris123

Well, at least he failed a malt and not a milkshake.

Jon Ericson

22:57

@AstroCB I unbanned you. Now go and sin no more. (Or at least be careful. ;-)

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user259867

You three reddish gravatar people sitting together...

AstroCB

@JonEricson Thanks – I thought I'd risen above being review banned, but apparently not.

user259867

It's more of a spectrum, transition from mostly red to mostly blue.

hichris123

@pizza PINK!

Purple?

somewhere in there.

AstroCB

@JonEricson That would be really useful (I probably fail them more often than I think I do because I'm so proud of how long I've gone without failing them that it seems like longer than it actually is).

hichris123

22:59

I usually just skip audits. They're usually really blatant.

user259867

@AstroCB Meanwhile, there is a workaround: complain in chat. The transcript is searchable.

user259867

@hichris123 Except controversial NAAs on SO?

AstroCB

I do feel bad, though, because that's actually a justified audit, and I used to get banned all of the time, but it would always be because of terrible audits.

@hichris123 But then you get audited more.

hichris123

@AstroCB Then you skip more. :D

AstroCB

@pizza That works.

Jon Ericson

23:00

@AstroCB It's a bit silly that we don't make it easier to learn from mistakes. I wonder if there's a feature request for that...

hichris123

@pizza Erm, hrm... I don't usually see those audits, really.

@JonEricson There is.

user259867

HIQ doesn't have audits, does it?

Ixrec

@AstroCB seeing you complain about review audits makes me feel a lot better about how many I've failed and strongly disagreed with

hichris123

27

Q: How many review audits did I fail?

I have been looking around for a while now, but I can't see anywhere how many audits I have failed. Is this purposely not being exposed to users? Where can I see some history of the audits I have failed? Is there a raw number per category?

24

Q: I would like to see my review audit history

Confession: I have been suspended a couple times from reviewing activities. Partial Redemption: I have become better and better at passing audits. I'd like to see my recent and distant history with audits. Even better, I'd like to see my history with the various types of audits. I'm not su...

feature-request review-audits

AstroCB

@Ixrec It's an automated system that isn't very granular, so there are bound to be fps; I'm just surprised at how often I've gotten them. If you want a second opinion, you can ask Meta – I used to do that, but I stopped because the answers are usually the same and it just sounds like I'm complaining.

Ixrec

23:02

Nah, I'd get insta-dupe-hammered

meta's full of people complaining about audits

hichris123

And, of course, first review of the day is an audit. Very blatant. stackoverflow.com/review/low-quality-posts/7703131

Undo

> Thank you for reviewing 20 low quality posts today; come back in 56 minutes to continue reviewing.

You're just getting started? :P

Ed Cottrell

Hi y'all

Undo

Hiya @EdCottrell :)

AstroCB

@Ixrec Not if you ask it correctly and explain why you think it's bad.

hichris123

23:04

AstroCB

@hichris123 You forgot to like his page for helping you pass an audit.

hichris123

Deleted user posting an answer with a link, with 0 votes and posted 21 days ago.

@AstroCB hah no.

user259867

@hichris123 BTW are you updating your FB profile any time soon? Blast from 2012.

hichris123

@pizza ... I knew I should have changed that username. A: likely not.

user259867

Well, just saying it's pretty high in Google rank; and it makes you look less moderator-y than you really are.

user259867

23:09

@SmokeDetector fp

SmokeDetector

@pizza Registered question as false positive and added title to Bayesian doctype 'good'.

tchrist

@Ixrec The ones one passes are pretty disagreeable, too.

hichris123

@pizza hrm yeah I'll put it on my todo list.

Just since I'd rather separate my online self with my own life.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: Stuck at loading spinner after resetting iPhone 4 (iOS 7.1.2) by juan taco rico nacho quesadill on apple.stackexchange.com

tchrist

@hichris123 Since ll pinks are magentas and all magentas purples, it correctly follows that all pinks are purples. However, you cannot go the other direction.

hichris123

23:12

@SmokeDetector tpu

SmokeDetector

@hichris123 Blacklisted user.

hichris123

@tchrist Not only do you know English, you know your colors better than I do.

tchrist

School of Crayola.

Doorknob

llama@llama:~$ ruby1.9.1 --version
ruby 1.9.3p484 (2013-11-22 revision 43786) [x86_64-linux]

???

Undo

Probably aliased to 1.9.3

SmokeDetector

23:23

[ SmokeDetector ] Phone number detected: Index #89e57894768954874648548454858425868 by Huyttuwerhg on gaming.stackexchange.com

Doorknob

I only have ruby and ruby1.9.1 and also this:

llama@llama:~$ ls -l /usr/bin/ruby
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Feb 14  2014 /usr/bin/ruby -> ruby1.9.1

@SmokeDetector tpu

SmokeDetector

@Doorknob Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.

hichris123

@SmokeDetector tpu

SmokeDetector

@hichris123 Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.

hichris123

sigh

Doorknob

23:24

:D

I was faster than someone for once!

hichris123

> Apparently, this user prefers to keep an air of mystery about them.

Yes, because they're a spammer.

Undo

yay, Jason and I are tied yet again

Braiam

TIL: what is a Zither

SmokeDetector

23:40

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: Voice memos not being deleted from iTunes by osdgosrdgjo on apple.stackexchange.com

Doorknob

@SmokeDetector tpu offensive/abusive

SmokeDetector

@Doorknob Blacklisted user.

Anonymous

@Undo @Ed needs to catch up so there can be a three-way-tie.

Undo

:(

Then I have even less of a chance.

:(

(see? Two sad faces. Stuff's getting serious!)

Anonymous

):

Undo

23:47

Ooooh rchern face.

user259867

^ an old-timer

Doorknob

Only a few of us understand now.

Undo

Less old-timer, more history-book-reader :)

Doorknob

ahhh, the old days... :P

Braiam

@Undo what we need is the eye of the basilisk

hichris123

23:53

Back when I started visiting the Tavern, Bart, Manish, Undo, and Tim were regulars. That was a while back though.

Doorknob

/me reminisces

Undo

Hehe, that was back before any of us three were blue

We just need to get Bart into the fold

hichris123

Back when the transcript was a page long

Dec 7 '13 at 4:47, by Undo the Snowman

@Shog I don't find random characters especially offensive, though. Should I?

interesting.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in body, repeating characters in title: jjjjjjjjhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh by user230292 on math.stackexchange.com

hichris123

rollback needed

Undo

23:59

custom-flagged

hichris123

Ah, here's a good test to see if you've been around for a while: do you remember the old top bar?

tchrist

For what value of "old".

Undo

YES <3 old top bar

Doorknob

YES

oh the memories :P

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