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19:14
so is there anything blocking people from flagging after a declined flag?
I flagged some content for copyright.. that was declined and now I can't flag
you can't flag a post twice for mod attention, except with an other flag
@Mgetz if you have plenty of them
you can also be flagbaned.
357 deemed helpful
10 declined
only flag declined this week
so if I'm flag banned it's because close flags get migrated into close votes
@Mgetz so what did you try to flag later on? Something different? What do you see when you try?
19:17
@Bart it initially accepted the dupe flag but on refreshing the page the dupe comment and close vote were gone
that said I dispute the reason my flag was declined anyway, it should be disputed not declined
copyright is still an issue
Link please? And how did you flag it?
@Bart to which flag?
the dupe has already been hammered
But you flagged something because of a copyright issue? What was that? How did you flag it?
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A: strtok() - Why you have to pass the NULL pointer in order to get the next token in the string?

mcleod_ideafixstrtok() keeps some data in static variables inside the function itself so it can continue a searching from the point it left it the previous call. To signal strtok() that you want to keep searching the same string, you pass a NULL pointer as its first argument. strtok() checks whether it is NULL...

Did you use an Other flag?
19:20
flagged using the other
the poster is copy and pasting from microsoft's CRT, which explicitly bans doing so
> declined - I'm not sure that we should be policing copyright, or that we even have enough information to determine that this is a copyright violation. Microsoft can file a DMCA request on this themselves.
> I'm not sure that we should be policing copyright
hwat?
last I checked copyright clearance was part of the posting guidelines, e.g. don't post something you don't have the rights to
@Mgetz that's debatable, but iirc there was something about their EULA allow for non-commercial distribution. Copyright does not necessarily imply that redistribution is out of order.
in any case, he does kinda cite Microsoft
I think it would fall in fair use
the EULA linked to that code does allow for it as well (seemingly)
@rlemon okay, that seems to confirm it
19:25
research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/redmond/projects/invisible/src/… code looks like it was nipped from here. EULA is linked
@rlemon that would be a much better reason to decline, but AFAIK it probably should be disputed not declined, decline indicates that I should NEVER raise that flag again
@Mgetz I don't know enough about the flag statuses to comment towards that
Can moderators dispute? Don't know what their dialog looks like.
sorry
but it sounds reasonable (despute vs decline)
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Q: What is the difference between disputed and declined flags?

saluceI'm looking at my flag count, and I see a couple 'declined' flags and a few 'disputed' flags, and I'm wondering: what is the difference between the two? I've had both disputed and declined flags where the action I expected from the flag was taken, so I can't quite nail down what they mean (other...

19:28
neat
whelp I'm probably flag banned... because the system is stupid
@Mgetz You really never should raise that flag again - the SE content policy enforces a proper procedure for removing proprietary information that aren't licensed to be posted on here. It's hard for the moderator reviewing to assume good faith.
105	moderator attention flags
98	deemed helpful
2	declined
5	disputed
now this makes more sense
[ SmokeDetector ] Nested quote blocks in body: Error while installing ubuntu 12.04 by Raghunath Krishnan on askubuntu.com
@Unihedro I've seen on multiple occasions a moderator deleting copyrighted content from an answer because it wasn't cited
I have no links on hand, but I seens it
19:29
@Unihedro that to me screams bad faith on the part of the mod then
@rlemon if you pass it off as your own ... that's another matter.
That's plagiarism, different in both context and realistic scenarios. @rlemon
Say @GeorgeStocker, saw you lurking in here. Could you have a look at Mgetz's supposed flag ban and if that's perhaps a bit too harsh? chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/3314095#3314095
Does "a moderator reviewed your flag, but found no evidence to support it" come from a mod? (for a VLQ/NAA flag)
@Mgetz "to me" <- that to me sounds like you aren't aware of what the Moderator<> Attention flags are
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19:33
@vaultah Yes. If there is any message with the flag, it's from a mod.
@Unihedro I'm well aware, I'm also aware that any opinion is subjective
@vaultah Yes. It'd spell only "declined" if completed through community review.
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> @clipperhouse I think we fixed the bug, but @jonskeet's reach was so large that he had 0.1g gravitational force. pic.twitter.com/60RXLOzJ63 -- David Haney at 11:46 AM - 15 Apr 2015 via Twitter
!!/so2015
@AstroCB Yay for the 2015 Stack Overflow Moderator Election! Election voting begins in 2 days, 0 hours, 26 minutes and 41 seconds.
19:33
there is no need to hurl insults
Thanks you @pizza @Unihedro
How did Idan and Mooseman get ahead of me?
Ask them
Idan was trailing both of us by 100 votes yesterday
user259867
How does everyone have positive score?
19:34
@pizza I blame it all on that one summer of love we had
@Mgetz "insults"?
Oh, look – new profile page.
It's actually useful to me on SO.
3 mins ago, by Unihedro
@Mgetz "to me" <- that to me sounds like you aren't aware of what the Moderator<> Attention flags are
Meh, if only it doesn't always land on Profile instead of Activity.
That's useful information.
19:35
be aware of how you come off
Hah, apparently my next badge is the "student" badge
that came off as implying I shouldn't be flagging anything
and that is insulting
Meh, reading too much into that @Mgetz.
I never implied anything. I was going to link an MSE post on flagging.
@Bart it's the internet and a text based medium
user259867
19:36
@Mgetz That sounds like you don't know what "insulting" means.
!find define insulting
@Mgetz something something "good faith" something. ;)
Just stop the bickering already :p
@Unihedro this I support! are you running for president?
19:37
@Unihedro why? Bickering is fun. What are you trying to be? A moderator?
@Mgetz eh… he's already lost
@Bart Yes. :D
@bjb568 he's still better than Hodor, sorry I mean Ted Cruz
@Unihedro well, you're not getting my vote ... checks ... dammit
A text based medium doesn't change that everyone are real people behind the network.
Except the bots like me and xkcdbot.
19:40
@Unihedro you take that back right now
Also, I got some new sunglasses spam in my email lately. Exciting.
Ah, my outreach program. Nice.
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@Unihedro and socks
Plot twist:
Anonymous
@rene Chromium Embedded Framework is another option along these lines.
19:42
||will Jason C make it into secondary?
@Unihedro Not a chance
@JeremyBanks Thanks!
Ouch
||tea or coffee
19:43
@Unihedro tea
Great idea.
write code.
@CapricaSix you want to be flagged, don't you?
time flies if you're having fun, obviously
2 hours ago, by rene
go to sleep and don't come back for another 6-8 hours @Unihedro
user259867
19:44
@SmokeDetector Is that... Korean characters in the code block?
I did slept, I just woke up :D
Any progress on SmokeDetector picking up on suggested edit spam yet? :-P
@Unihedro Just stay in bed and get some more sleep ...
@MartijnPieters inb4 LQHQ implements that before Charcoal :p
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@SmokeDetector tpu spam
@pizza Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.
@ProgramFOX has a bot, but we're not integrating it into Smokey.

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Room 5 was frozen for inactivity even though it was once an ac...
The one living in there currently?
19:49
I think so.
@MartijnPieters what the... spam by proxy
@JeremyBanks M42 is rolling out starting today. :P
user259867
@SmokeDetector fp the regex for Korean includes code blocks... we'll see how it goes.
@pizza Registered question as false positive and added title to Bayesian doctype 'good'.
@Braiam Each time I reject one of those an ip address is blocked and several more suggested spam edits get rejected automatically.
Anonymous
19:53
@hichris123 Nice, thanks.
@JeremyBanks Yeah, I found it funny that we were talking about it & the rollout started a few hours later.
Anonymous
Hmm. Actually, I just checked and apparently I've already been running the 42 beta, but the 1Password plugin isn't working. Heh, I wonder why.
Anonymous
But I should probably compare it in Safari first, since I haven't used it much and may just misunderstand how it works.
Cupcake made it in a blog post. :P
I've reached ~239k people on SO. I guess that's good?
> ~404k people reached
19:57
@hichris123 I've touched far more than that. Apparently that's inappropriate though.
@Bart Not for a pair of glasses...
Anonymous
@hichris123 I had failed to RTFM, but somehow convinced myself I knew how the 1Password extension was supposed to work. I was wrong. I just read the documentation, set it up properly, and it is now working in Chrome (beta). Awesome!
Anonymous
This conversation has proved useful.
20:03
~tavernConversations["usefulness"]++;
@JeremyBanks :D
@hichris123 you tell the judge that
Flagged as inappropriately useful.
user259867
@bjb568 reached 464k people. People like reaching for kittens.
Anonymous
I suspect that Skeet has reached more people than exist.
20:09
@pizza :D
Must have good understanding of Computer Science principles (preprocessing, compiling, linking, profiling, etc) ... no dev on their team wrote that
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@Bart with the new profile page, I'm looking around for that info.
Weeee.
@rlemon We generally don't policy copyright. The DMCA sets forth provisions for copyright holders to exercise claims; it's not for us to get into. It's between SE Inc and that company.
Same thing with NDAs.
@GeorgeStocker I just clicked random buttons to try and find it -- try "Account Info"
We don't police other people's contracts.
wait, that wouldn't show it...
20:12
@GeorgeStocker I was confusing general copyright infringement with straight up plagiarism
my bad
@GeorgeStocker seems they've removed the bit about copyright from the help center that I was going off of
Anonymous
@GeorgeStocker I'd like to clarify this: you're not actually legally/mod-agreementally prohibited from taking action, are you? Stack Exchange employees can not, because that could interfere with their safe harbor protection, but that probably wouldn't apply to community moderators. It's just that the community consensus is also to defer to the DMCA for practical reasons?
Ah; here's a better link to find those sorts of things: (Only visible to mgetz and moderators) stackoverflow.com/users/flag-summary/332733
The DMCA is an awkward beast
@Mgetz never liked their music
20:15
it's provisions mean that if you know of it, you have to remove it proactively, if you are willfully blind you can get sued.
it's what happened to Megaupload
@JeremyBanks Sounds like a great thing to put into an email to SE Inc. We've been served well by not getting involved in private contracts and copyright disputes in the past; and until someone from SE Inc says "Enforce other people's contracts and any copyright disputes", we're better off staying out of that.
Half the time, you need a law degree to determine who owns the copyright / what licenses they issue for it. No thanks.
I do not have a law degree.
@GeorgeStocker proof that copyright is too complicated and dumb
Copyright dumb?
Anonymous
@Mgetz MegaUpload was knowingly and willingly profiting from copyright infringement. The US government probably overstepped, and people have good cause to complain about that, but I don't think the operators had any moral ground to stand on.
Mgetz: You've not been banned yet, but you have been warned by the system, FWIW
20:17
Thanks for the help btw @GeorgeStocker.
@GeorgeStocker so why do I have (deleted) close votes?
Anonymous
@GeorgeStocker Very reasonable, thanks. I will bring it up with SEI if it becomes practically relevant.
just curious at this point
I can't see your close votes.
@Mgetz they expired?
20:18
I wish I could see other people's close votes. That'd be a very useful tool.
@Bart immediately?
they are from today
Anonymous
Reviewers probably disagreed with them, then.
except they didn't
in both cases
Anonymous
Curious...
one was dupe hammered immediately afterwards
and the other was closed and has my name on the closure
20:19
Is a guy with a hockey stick always right? :)
@JeremyBanks I know it sounds like a brush-off; but I'm just trying to be clear on what's under my purview / what is precedent. I'm happy to deal with things under the moderator purview, but precedent is that we don't get involved with copyright disputes and private contracts.
but the vote for that one is (deleted)
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Q: What causes close votes to be annotated with "(deleted)"?

Jeremy BanksIn the "Votes Cast" section of my profile, my vote to close this question is annotated with "(deleted)": However, the close vote does not appear to have been deleted: it successfully closed the question: Why was this vote marked as "(deleted)"? If the vote was deleted my some internal pr...

@Mgetz if you share which close vote is deleted, I can take a look at the question and see if I see anything.
20:20
If it passed the review queue, that'd be a reason why.
Anonymous
@GeorgeStocker No worries; I don't feel brushed off. That's probably the most productive perspective for a moderator to take.
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Q: Divisibility of a number

Syed FaheemI want to write a C program to determine the most divisible number (i.e. the integer with the most distinct divisors) between 1 and 1000 and to print the numbers. The following definition shall be used: 1 is divided by 1 (1 distinct divisor) 2 is divided by 1, 2 (2 distinct divisors) ...

The question is closed, so I imagine your close vote took effect and it deleted the vote.
the verbiage could be better; but that looks right.
20:21
but none of my other votes are deleted...
just those two
Anonymous
The (deleted) annotation should really probably just be hidden, since it seems like an implementation detail with non-obvious implications.
@Mgetz The second one may be because someone used their dupe hammer? I'm not sure about that one. I don't see anything immediately obvious.
@JeremyBanks Shog's answer to your post indicates as much
20:23
@GeorgeStocker nor do I, I suspect we'd have to hit up an employee to find out. In the scheme of things it's mostly weird
Ah, I see why
@GeorgeStocker That seems to be what happens.
@Mgetz You voted to close it.
COlumbo voted to reopen it
(dupe hammer reopen)
and then Lightness closed it again.
So your vote took effect; and was deleted.
If you edit the question, it'll then show up in the revision history.
I wish we could see revision history if a question is closed/reopened (but still on the first revision), but we can't.
Well, you can't.
I can; but it's a special admin view.
and a straight link to revisions might do it.
@GeorgeStocker fair enough.. it was freaky
@Mgetz If you ever want to see revisions, change questions/answers in the URL to 'posts' and change the question title in the url to revisions: /questions/<id>/revisions will show you who has voted to close/reopen it even if there aren't edits.
20:28
@GeorgeStocker redirects to the question for me
at least for the last question I linked
The timeline view you mean?
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@tchrist I use it to figure out the voting patterns when I find a post with an unexpected score. Also to track the meta debates with lots of voting going on.
Thanks.
Anonymous
@tchrist Wow, I had entirely forgotten that that existed. Thanks for the reminder! (I used to have a plugin that added a link to it to the post UI, and I guess I forgot about it after switching browsers.)
20:35
[ SmokeDetector ] Numbers-only title: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 = 1 by John Odom on puzzling.stackexchange.com
@SmokeDetector ignore
@hichris123 Post ignored; alerts about it will no longer be posted.
@Mgetz I meant posts/id/revisions
I tried to edit that but it doesnt' show that I did.
@GeorgeStocker works
user259867
I use bookmarklets to display those things: timeline, revisions.
21:01
@AlexisKing Just a thought; would a userscript running on the page, like stackapps.com/questions/4548/…, be able to also request and parse the page itself in the background (i.e. not visible refresh) to keep a live update running?
33k people reached?
I don't know about that.
Anonymous
The numbers seem higher than I would have expected.
@JasonC Yes, it should be able to.
Jon Skeet breaks Stack Overflow again.
21:05
4 hours ago, by Alexis King
However, Skeet has reached ~111.6m.
user259867
@JasonC If the userscript is executed on the election page, it can grab its source, manipulate any way you want (including storing it in some object), and put the data anywhere else on the page.
what does it mean by "reached"?
Can jQuery operate pretty smoothly on a resource that the script receives, or is it only really meant for operating on the currently displayed page?
You can grab it from other places, too; there are plenty of ways around same-origin.
@JasonC What kind of resource?
What data do you receive?
@AstroCB An HTML document. Like if I ran a script on the election page, that periodically re-retrieved the election page itself in the background, could I use jQuery selectors smoothly to manipulate and process the received page?
21:08
@JasonC It depends on what format you're receiving that in, but you should be able to, yes.
Okay. I'm pretty sure that a dev/CM is manipulating the votes just to make @JasonC and I sweat >_>
It'd be plain old HTML.
Lol Undo
The tie is relentless
Maybe if it ends in a tie we can decide it by chess match.
>:D
@Undo That should be "JasonC and me"! >;D
</grammarnazi>
And if the chess match ties again?
21:09
@JasonC If you're getting an actual document, you can just use it directly on it, but if you get, for instance, a string of HTML, you'll need to use DOMParser.
@AlexisKing Wait really?
@Undo Yes, really. "to make I sweat" doesn't make much sense.
Hrm, I guess you're right.
21:11
<excuse>It's been two minutes already so I can't edit it</excuse>
@Ixrec LOL
That's funny. I've been having this crazy me vs. I struggle every time I talk about the tie. I've actually put a lot of thought into avoiding having to use it because I have no idea how English works.
@JasonC It's okay. Nobody does.
We're all just doing a pretty good job of pretending.
@Undo you just wait until Jan finds out.
@falsarella for some reason when you asked that I immediately thought "we use Iowa’s receptacle, obviously"
21:12
I'm probably the only person I know who is annoying enough to correct who vs whom and subjunctive tense. ;)
@Undo I concede.
subjunctive tense, yes
@AlexisKing Nah, ELU mods might
I/me and who/whom I sort of care about too
@AlexisKing @tchrist
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21:13
@Undo not to mention owls
@Undo Well, I don't know any ELU mods! @tchrist did come to mind, though.
Haha
@pizza Thank you! BTW, awesome feature!
21:14
I love how we all thought "tchrist".
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Dec 30 '14 at 0:46, by Jan Dvorak
also, *Whom
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user image
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@pizza I probably wouldn't correct that case, haha.
whistles
I mostly just correct people when "who" is used as the object of a preposition.
"to whom" and "for whom" sound so much snazzier! :D
21:16
for some reason everyone knows that "to whom it may concern" has to be whom
I always just say "too who it might concerned"
...
too?
*concerneded
...and that's how @Undo lost the moderator elections.
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21:16
to whomsoever it may dearly concerneth
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Q: degrees of separation SOLVE FOR C SHARP C#

Sara Smithprogram to find the degrees of separation for a given two persons For simplicity assumed One name belongs to a single person One person cannot own more than one name do it by c#

> do it by c#
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Q: Who to turn to when stackoverflow can't help you with your code?

kkingWhat do you do when you have a coding problem and have received no replies at all? Is there another website or online community that I could escalate my question to? My deadline is looming and I'm faced with either having to rewrite the whole thing or keep trying to get help. I'm still a bit of...

@hichris123 The thing that bothers me most is the use of three different C# version tags...and I don't even know C#
@Ixrec That must mean a program for each version!
21:20
@hichris123 DevDoodle
@hichris123 VTC as "appears to be asking multiple questions"
@hichris123 ghostbusters
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Can we start funneling all of SO's low-quality traffic to DevDoodle?
But... then SO wouldn't have any traffic :(
that's what bots also think....
21:21
@Braiam That was a good one
@Undo EXACTLY
@AlexisKing I was about to.
Unless you want to write a search engine.
@Undo That sounds like something out of !bjb.
@hichris123 burninated
user259867
21:25
Mythology reached 100% commitment. I guess devs were two busy with yesterday's Ruby experiments too launch Gamification, so now there are to betas ready too go next week.
user259867
Can we have a way to see a users activity page by default?. Yes please. I already use a script for this, but it'd be a lot smoother if this was a setting on the server side.
user259867
I don't need to read about "air of mystery" surrounding every spammer; I'm after their posts.
@pizza Nice, do you know if I'll get an inbox item when the site actually launches?
user259867
@Ixrec If you committed to the proposal, yes.
Thanks
user259867
21:38
Actually, I think it's an email, not an inbox notification. Or maybe both. But certainly there is an email.
user259867
After all, some of the committed users might not even have an account anywhere else on SE, other than Area 51.
either one works
ah, good point
You get an email, I've never seen an inbox notif for one
on a semi-related note
I noticed there were three foreign-language StackOverflow proposals on Area51 with 100% commitment that have a notice about needing to implement internationalization features before they can be launched; any idea what the status of that is?
At this point IIRC it's more about internationalizing the community team, but I'll leave it to CMs to answer that
user259867
21:49
in CoGro Musings, Mar 25 at 6:56, by jmac
When we are looking at how to prioritize international sites, and which languages we should tackle, it becomes obvious that there is no perfect data set out there to help us make that decision. For instance, if we just go by number of native speakers then we should prioritize Hindi over Japanese.
user259867
The adjacent messages there are of interest too.
user259867
Currently, it seems that Spanish is next, with ongoing search for a Community Manager. But the discussion in CoGro room indicates they plan to continue beyond that.
@Ixrec Several things: as @Undo says, we are hiring CMs who are fluent in other non-English languages. (We are hiring for a Spanish-speaking CM!) But we also are working on smoothing out the process of getting the UI translated/localized. One difficulty is that Stack Overflow is not yet feature complete. When a new feature comes out, it needs localization in (currently) 3 different languages.
user259867
Like new profile, for example. Other languages didn't get it yet.
!scores
21:52
1. Martijn Pieters (40/40): 9633
2. meagar (40/40): 6427
3. Jon Clements (40/40): 5231
4. Matt (40/40): 4741
5. Second Rikudo (40/40): 4594
6. deceze (39/40): 3591
7. Raghav Sood (38/40): 2781
8. Paresh Mayani (38/40): 2693
9. Jeremy Banks (39/40): 2556
10. Jason C (36/40): 2249
11. Undo (30/40): 2246
12. Ed Cottrell (33/40): 2202
13. slugster (37/40): 2099
14. Qantas 94 Heavy (27/40): 1547
15. Andy (29/40): 1249
16. Sergey K. (34/40): 1181
17. vcsjones (39/40): 997
18. rekire (37/40): 745
19. Thomas Owens (33/40): 703
They will. But they need a bit extra work compared to all of our English sites.
@JonEricson Can a site like that ever be "feature-complete"? Or do you mean there are a lot of huge changes like the profile thing in the pipeline?
@Ixrec going by the latest april's fool joke, nope and maybe
I'm compelled to actually write something meaningful in my "about me" now.
inb4 Astro about me will say "I feel bad for leaving this box empty all this time"
21:56
[ SmokeDetector ] Email in answer: Origin of Arcane Magic by Amanda Paul on scifi.stackexchange.com
user259867
@SmokeDetector tpu
@pizza Blacklisted user.
@Ixrec I suspect we will be adding (or more likely updating) features for many years to come.
when global keyboard shortcuts plz?
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Q: Announcement: Keyboard shortcuts are now integrated into the site

balphaOriginally we had implemented keyboard shortcuts as a user script. We have now finally made the change to have them integrated into the site. When you go to the Edit Profile & Settings page on your profile, and then select the Preferences submenu, you’ll find a new checkbox labeled Enable keyboa...

Or do you mean something else?
21:59
@JonEricson the configuration is per-site :(
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Q: Make the keyboard shortcuts activation global

BraiamOne of things SE can do with our profiles is syncing. In fact there's a box called "Save And Copy Profile To All Stack Exchange Accounts". Why isn't the keyboard shortcuts part of this functionality? Is there any technical problem that can't be solved?


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