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Jason C

16:00

@Unihedron Do you notice a significantly large number of false positive phone numbers of that form?

Actually; do you log the false positives, in general?

Unihedron

@JasonC Yeah. If there are any other false patterns you notice please let me know. I'm going to write the regex after I finish pushing this commit.

Jason C

Btw I'd say JSON object tags in a title might not be the greatest titles anyways.

Unihedron

At least spammers don't obfuscate their phone numbers into a json object yet.

user259867

or by posting them in hexadecimal.

ProgramFOX

@InfiniteRecursion If it's clearly spam, then yes, because using tpu means that you blacklist the user so we will always get an alert for one of their posts, which is what we want for a spammer.

Jan Dvorak

16:04

@ProgramFOX when do we use plain tp then?

Jason C

@JanDvorak Generally before you leave the bathroom.

Jan Dvorak

@JasonC If you mean toilet papers, I prefer scented ones, actually

Unihedron

@JanDvorak When it's a code dump on MSE.

ProgramFOX

@JanDvorak Yes, I've been thinking about that while replying. If we also want to have low quality posts on the "bad" doctype, then use it in case of a LQP.

Jason C

tp should always be used after a code dump.

ProgramFOX

16:05

@Undo @hichris123 @Manishearth What do you think, do we need low quality posts (not spam) to be on the Bayesian "bad" doctype?

Unihedron

To charcoal HQ?

Jason C

^ Would be difficult to judge accurately from title.

Jan Dvorak

@ProgramFOX meh. Just wait until someone finds a magic regex again and you'll be out of votes before you know it. And before 5AM

ProgramFOX

@Unihedron I thought of posting it here, so everyone can see the message its replies without I have to onebox it from Charcoal HQ.

Unihedron

@JanDvorak Challenge accepted.

Andy

16:08

@Unihedron It's not the regex that is the problem. It's that the hex address provided LOOKS like an Indian phone number

It is passing this check:

github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/blob/master/…

Possible True, Valid True, Explain: Country Code: 91 National Number: 7236323900
 Leading Zero(s): False

Bart

I just realized we haven't had a podcast in a while now. Did they stop?

Andy

So, it looks like a phone number and it has a valid format in the 91 country code

Unihedron

@Andy If the regex ignores the number sequences iff it follows the two criteria I menioned, then it wouldn't be matched to have to go through the phonenumber check.

user259867

@Bart I think the next one will be when the Great Quality Improvement project rolls out in its full glory.

Bart

@Rafflesiaarnoldii 6-8 weeks then

Andy

16:10

Good luck finding a phone number regex that fits the possible phone number combinations around the world.

user259867

Nov 2 at 21:48, by just a brick in the wall

Tavern pool: guess the month in which SE will roll out the long-awaited Total Quality Redesign on SO.

Unihedron

@Andy I meant tweaking the regex to ignore on special conditions so that it wouldn't be caught up to go through the phonenumbers package to be checked then.

'D you think it'd be practical?

user259867

@Andy One way is to look at the character preceding 91 in the true positives. Space, +, maybe : or (, anything else could be there? Certainly not another digit or x.

nicael

Oh no. @Inf is dangerously close to 2k. It must be fixed :D

Infinite Recursion

Thanks @ProgramFOX

Go find holes @nicael ... you didn't break SE in a long while. Don't say the devs fixed ALL the bugs :P

Thanks @PatrickHofman, I got the silver

Patrick Hofman

16:19

@InfiniteRecursion No problem. I am still awaiting mine :( meta.stackoverflow.com/a/276637/993547

nicael

@PatrickHofman I am waiting for more serious badge :D

Infinite Recursion

It's just 2 upvotes short...already has my vote :(

Patrick Hofman

@nicael: Got one of those already, but for the answer then: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/266955/993547

Braiam

@nicael mine is very serious, really!

Manishearth

@ProgramFOX Perhaps a different reply? "sorta bad"?

The data would be useful in the future for a crap detector

ProgramFOX

16:25

@Manishearth True. Then we can add those titles to another Bayesian database.

Infinite Recursion

All the posts except nicael's one already have my upvote...all of you wrote great posts :)

user259867

Some good candidates for this job: "Identify low-quality questions on Stack Overflow"...

Infinite Recursion

Also, never use all your votes before waking up, at 5 am @Jan, you keep ranting throughout the day that you can't cast votes...

Jason C

@Rafflesiaarnoldii I propose careersforbots.stackexchange.com

bluefeet

@InfiniteRecursion Before I was a mod I would use all my flags before I got into work at 6am

user259867

16:32

20K users pretty much have to use up delete votes early in the day if they don't want them to be eaten by LQRQ.

Infinite Recursion

Wow @bluefeet .... that's amazing!! o_O

Jason C

I went through a stint of using all my flags before 8am too.

Solution is to not have the review queue open during morning coffee & cigarette.

ProgramFOX

@InfiniteRecursion This is really amazing:

4

Infinite Recursion

Jan used up his downvotes today...because of the cv requests in the tavern...and every now and then he mentions that he can't downvote + how many hours are left to get his voting powers back. He is weird and annoying.

ProgramFOX

That helpful flags count... I wonder what it would be if there wouldn't be a flag limit :D

Infinite Recursion

16:37

That deserves a star :)

rene

@ProgramFOX Yeah, but 77 flags declined...

Jason C

@ProgramFOX I wonder what % of those flags were from February 2014.

bluefeet

@ProgramFOX I also had 1389 disputed flags

Unihedron

@bluefeet You were an amazing user, and you are an amazing mod. ;)

Infinite Recursion

She was a genuine flagger @JasonC ...I remember I read her election post why she wants to be our mod, and all the mods and Shog recommended her and praised her contributions and flagging abilities. I was new to SO at that time, I voted for her solely based on that post.

ProgramFOX

16:42

@bluefeet Those might come from "invalid flag" flags from the time when the 10k tools still existed.

Jason C

I voted for bluefeet, too. I didn't mean that to come across the way it did.

Infinite Recursion

:)

user259867

Mathematically speaking, at 100 flags/day limit it could be at most 2900, which is about 1% of total..

Jason C

(13%)

Unihedron

@Rafflesiaarnoldii add in comment flags and you have 200 flags per day - 100 on posts, 100 on comments

Jason C

16:51

@Rafflesiaarnoldii Flagged as mathematically offensive.

2

user259867

I'm not good with numbers. :(

Jason C

Lol

ProgramFOX

> "I have earned 20k on Math.SE by teaching the system wrong math."

5

:P

Frank

I just tried to flag something..

user259867

aaaand... you are flag-banned?

Frank

16:53

/me is out of flags

Why would

TGMCians

delete vote stackoverflow.com/questions/4684306/…

Frank

8

Jason C

Why wouldn't 8?

Shog9

@Andy code.google.com/p/libphonenumber

Frank

Why would I be flag banned? :P

TGMCians

16:55

Ah

> closed as not a real question by bdukes, T.E.D., Jim Lewis, Eugene Mayevski 'EldoS Corp, Jeff Atwood♦

ProgramFOX

@Shog9 Looks good, but it is not in Python so we cannot use it for SmokeDetector unfortunately.

Infinite Recursion

@Frank: Your cv-plz's last night made Jan use up all his votes, and he spent the whole day ranting about it in the tavern that he can't vote...please never do that again

Frank

@InfiniteRecursion He's weird.

Infinite Recursion

:D

Unihedron

Like all- never mind :)

Jason C

16:57

@Shog9 I think one of the difficulties with the bot, too, is wanting to keep the ability to recognize phone numbers that are embedded in text, like "good times4155551212".

user259867

Or sexx0x4155551212...

Jason C

@JanDvorak honest to God i do not understand anything you say — timmy26 6 hours ago

(I was torn between "ha ha" and not wanting to encourage timmy.)

NEED MOAR SEXX0X

Infinite Recursion

Height of weirdness was to request downvotes for your answer @uni, I guess that's the first thing he will do when he gets his votes again :/

Unihedron

Well, I don't blame him. I am a low rep user after all. :| :P

bluefeet

@ProgramFOX yup that is where it was from. I disagreed with alot that was flagged marking them invalid

Frank

17:00

timmy26 said he was frank. :(

Infinite Recursion

I upvoted Timmy's comment, that may be Timmy's most brilliant contribution to SE after all :)

TGMCians

nuke-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/3535596/…

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/1342916/…

Unihedron

Eek! I totally forgot about burninating the tag.

Jan Dvorak

@TGMCians still can't :-/

TGMCians

:(

Infinite Recursion

17:06

...stop...ranting...Jan....

Jason C

I used all my delete votes trying to figure out how the delete queue worked.

TGMCians

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/2418621/…

cVplZ

@Bart I wondered that recently too. I guess I could listen to all of the ones before the last two (the only ones I've listened to), would that be recommended?

user259867

Can someone unfreeze the Whining Room, there's an obvious demand for it.

Jan Dvorak

Meh. I can whine here as well

Or I could go to sleep

Unihedron

17:09

Owl needs rest!

cVplZ

Also, is this still happening or what's the status?

587

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rene

Anybody who wants to go over this and follow my reopen-pls if you agree...

Frank

@cVplZ I didn't like that idea.

Sam

Hiya

Frank

Hiya

TGMCians

17:11

Hiya

Jan Dvorak

Hiya

Andy

@ProgramFOX That is what the package smokey is using is based off of.

Infinite Recursion

Hiya

Andy

The problem is that it is seeing the 7236323900 part of Cannot access memory at address 0x2e2f6c7236323900 as a valid Indian Phone number

Infinite Recursion

Eeek...whinie caught the train...and I missed it :(

Andy

17:13

in this case, a regex to detect if it is part of something larger (ie 2e2f6c7236323900) would eliminate the phone number check entirely

because it'd fail when it checks the hex value

Frank

@InfiniteRecursion Now you're kind of ranting :D

Unihedron

salvage-pls stackoverflow.com/a/14366435/3622940

Andy

which is what @Unihedron was suggesting

Jan Dvorak

@Unihedron how?

Unihedron

Wait, I'm not sure if you got the same as what I was trying to convey.

cVplZ

17:14

@Unihedron rest from doing what? staring at people and ducks?

rene

@Unihedron I don't do php, nevar...

Frank

@cVplZ And trees.

Unihedron

@rene me neither, now you see why I had to link it here ;)

rene

:)

2

Infinite Recursion

:)

3

Jan Dvorak

17:15

:)

3

cVplZ

:)

3

Sam

:)

2

Frank

:)

4

Bart

@cVplZ certainly

Frank

@Bart :)

cVplZ

17:17

too late @KennyBOT

Infinite Recursion

You broke the train of the Happy 5

KennyBOT

fun is over before it started....

cVplZ

the tavern seems so much happier today :)

Bart

Infinite Recursion

yes...after a bit of a break...

Frank

17:18

looks at @Jan and disagrees

Jan Dvorak

3 mins ago, by Jan Dvorak

:)

Infinite Recursion

Happy 5 + 1 grumpy

cVplZ

1 min ago, by Infinite Recursion

You broke the train of the Happy 5

Frank

At least he pasted on a smile...

Infinite Recursion

Fake

Frank

17:20

very

Soon it will be winter here, and this dp will be outdated...

Infinite Recursion

Aww

Frank

I know.

Jason C

Will you stop bolding stuff, I'm not deaf, I'm sitting next to you... — rene 20 mins ago

Lol

Frank

I'll keep it in a safe drive on my server in the basement...

Jason C

Just for that @rene's :) gets a bonus star.

Infinite Recursion

17:22

Give rene ice cream...he will be fine

Unihedron

Ice cream!

rene

yeah!

Jan Dvorak

Jellybean!

Frank

gives rene ice cream, and not Uni

feels mean

Unihedron

I can get my own ice cream.

Frank

17:23

gives Uni ice cream too

Jason C

By the way, guys, worst star wall poll ever.

Unihedron

heads to cooking.SE

cVplZ

@JasonC I like it. Makes me smile.

Jan Dvorak

^

Frank

Oops, I gave him some disgusting pistachio almond ice cream. And it was sitting out for 30 mins first. :(

Infinite Recursion

17:24

We do that all the time @JasonC, you should see the "morning" star wall...and Frank had a "bye" with a lot of stars!!

Frank

@InfiniteRecursion It was... kind of upside-down.

Jason C

Dammit!!! I'm out of stars. Now I can't maintain the imbalance. Worst timing.

Frank

And it only got 14 stars.

Unihedron

@JasonC So YOU were the star troll!

Jason C

@Unihedron No my stars are used only for good cause; and there was a lot of entertainment in the past 24 hours.

Infinite Recursion

17:26

Seth never gets a star...he is upside down all the time @Frank

Jason C

You must be looking for bjb.

Infinite Recursion

True...lot of entertainment in the tavern in the past few hours :)

It has been silent for a few days

cVplZ

whatever happened to @SantaClaus

Jason C

@cVplZ He got into a flame war with @BlackPeter and they both got banned.

Unihedron

@cVplZ Got banned so he went to craft more PHP textbooks for christmas.

Jason C

17:32

Oh did he really get banned; I was just being facetious.

Infinite Recursion

You fell for your own joke :)

many left though...

Jason C

Doh

Infinite Recursion

cVplZ get a nice new avatar for winter...the clouds are boring

Frank

@cVplZ You should change your name a bit so Zephyr picks it up.

Unihedron

I should put up a FR for an inventory page - I sometimes wonder how many of a flag / vote I have left, and I'd have to find a random page and click buttons for that.

Jan Dvorak

17:39

status-meh

bjb568

@JasonC >:)

Jason C

Lol

cVplZ

@uni good proposal there, followed

Unihedron

! :)

I just had that random thought to propose it. You know, shower thoughts.

Jason C

@Unihedron I'd support that.

cVplZ

17:47

will ask about the owl beaked man

Frank

I still have 2 open tool-rec qs in my flag list.

Unihedron

@Frank Wait for tomorrow and hope for hichris to come online.

Yeah, tomorrow will be good.

Jason C

area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/80045/exotic-creatures/…

Lol @cVplZ

^ Off-topic, clearly belongs on programmers.se.

Farhan

Hello Tavern.

Q: How come one asks a question and adds an answer to that question as the same exact time (matching to the second)?

Jan Dvorak

@Farhan the system lets you

bluefeet

17:55

@Farhan self answered questions are allowed

user259867

I thought I was the first to follow the proposal: the button says "Unfollow"... but I'm not listed in the sidebar. Odd.

Farhan

I know that it's allowed. I'm asking how the time is matched to the exact second?

Jan Dvorak

@Farhan there's a checkbox for that

user259867

There is a checkbox under question that allows you to post an answer at the same time as the question.

Farhan

Ah, thanks. Never looked below the orange button :)

Unihedron

17:58

@Rafflesiaarnoldii o_O

Jason C

When you check it, an answer field will also appear.

user259867

Yeah, strange. I see it among "proposals you followed".

Farhan

Cool. Thanks for the tip @JanDvorak @bluefeet @Rafflesiaarnoldii @JasonC

Jason C

@Rafflesiaarnoldii Same thing just happened to me.

Infinite Recursion

Report a bug on MSE...

Frank

18:01

@JasonC Mine's neater.

My computer doesn't like having many tabs open at once...

Jason C

@Frank Mine's more casual, and relates to the common man.

Infinite Recursion

^^^

Santa Claus

I believe I have been summoned.

Frank

I thing that's the first time I had the 'ask question' page open on SO.

Louis

You can notify moderators that "nothing is wrong" by raising a custom flag and putting "nothing is wrong" in the text box. I doubt it would be well received, but you can try. — Louis 32 secs ago

Jason C

18:05

^^^ Damn, I need my stars back.

Frank

:D

Jason C

@Louis I flagged your comment for being OK. braces for spankings

Louis

Great... I'm sure a moderator will get right on it. :)

Infinite Recursion

That reminds me...I have never clicked the "Ask a question" on SO either...you beat me

Frank

There's a first time for almost everything.

Infinite Recursion

18:14

Yes, indeed.

Frank

I used 'almost' on purpose.

Infinite Recursion

:)

Frank

For me, there is no first time posting a spam q.

or a.

Infinite Recursion

Some firsts never happen...even if we think to do it. I may never need to ask anything because so much info exists already...or I might leave SE before asking...anything can happen.

Jason C

@Rafflesiaarnoldii Was just constructing a bug report and came across meta.stackexchange.com/a/53501/230261

user259867

18:21

Bah, I'm not going to verify my ■@a.aa (the character before @ suppressed for privacy reasons).

Infinite Recursion

goes to spam Rafflesiaarnoldii's mailbox

Jason C

Yeah; I use a fake email in the profiles. I just set my Area51 one to a real email and verified it and the follower count updated.

Man, and I had such a nice bug report going too.

Infinite Recursion

Find another bug!!

Unihedron

You can still post it if you want. It'll be closed as a duplicate, though.

Infinite Recursion

^^^

user259867

18:26

Or as a feature request: give users a clue about why they are not counted.

Jason C

@Rafflesiaarnoldii That's what I was going to go for.

EXCEPT

I've been procrastinating real work way too long today.

I need to cut myself off immediately. Later guys.

Unihedron

Seeya!

Frank

@JasonC cya!

Stijn

@cVplZ I see it's removed already, but what was that comment about accepting an answer all about? :\

Infinite Recursion

18:48

@timmy26 what is that doing here, can we please know?

Unihedron

@InfiniteRecursion it's their first ever message in the chat system.

Jan Dvorak

On the other hand, there's been plenty of messages from the same guy in the meta

Infinite Recursion

So? That only makes it more questionable why one would jump into a chat room and post a racism link

Unihedron

> there doesn't seem to be anything here

Infinite Recursion

A persons whose accounts have been suspended by mods multiple times...and one mod wrote a post too on MSE about it

@timmy26, care to explain please? Else I intend to flag it.

Unihedron

18:53

Hmm.

Oh, it's him.

Infinite Recursion

Tims are hims.

Frank

Lions are mean.

Unihedron

Why are lions so mean?

Frank

►

Brad Larson

@timmy26 Go troll somewhere else.

jadarnel27

18:57

claps for @BradLarson

Unihedron

quietly cheers

Infinite Recursion

TIL 'Go troll somewhere else' is far more effective than polite inquiries

jadarnel27

19:13

Today I learned what TIL stands for.

Jan Dvorak

@jadarnel27 TIL you didn't know until today

Unihedron

> I feel like there should be a 'Stupid-Question' tag...

jadarnel27

@JanDvorak Total Internet fail on my part.

Frank

@Unihedron Lions are mean because... that's their lifestyle.

jadarnel27

It's very politically incorrect of you to make sweeping value statements about the lifestyle of lions.

I am offended on behalf of lions.

Regardless of whether or not they care.

Frank

19:22

28 rep, and I reach 20k on GL.

jadarnel27

32

Q: Music SE is graduating. Congratulations!

Music Stack Exchange has a steady flow of high quality questions and answers, and a growing number of users contributing to site health and maintenance. You're on a consistent upward trend, and the Community Team (of which I am a member) has taken notice. Music SE will be graduating soon. Congr...

discussion

It's been almost 2 months since that post.

Unihedron

closeworthy? stackoverflow.com/q/26916720/3622940

Frank

> I should warn you though, the team is a bit backlogged, and it may be a couple of months before you see our designers drop by to share mockups.

Unihedron

There's nothing complicated. You just shouldn't be using a regex for this. Hammering a nail with a glass bottle is just not the way to go. Moreover, that's not how regexes works. — Unihedron 18 secs ago

^ needs one more cv

optionally upvote my comment so it floats out of the depressing thread

cv-plz typographical error stackoverflow.com/q/26855608/3622940

jadarnel27

@Frank Look, if I'm going to be required to read the whole post before understanding it, I don't even think this community is worth my time.

Frank

19:50

@jadarnel27 :D

cv-plz rec-tool stackoverflow.com/questions/7085706/…

cv-plz rec-tool stackoverflow.com/questions/6076804/…

Just two. :)

-2

Q: scripting tool to modify configuration files

we are modifying the expected format for some configuration files and I want to create a script to convert files of the old format to the new one. However, my scripting skills are rusty, I have to script so rarely that I forget script tools by the time I need them again. I'm looking for recomen...

python bash awk sed scripting

Why does that have two nearly identical close reasons? That's weird.

Anna Lear

@Frank Same intent, different copy. These reasons evolved over time.

Looks like some votes were cast when one copy was active, and the rest after the change.

Frank

@AnnaLear Ok, makes sense.

Unihedron

20:11

pls kill stackoverflow.com/q/26917031/3622940

out of downvotes ._.

Frank

@Unihedron out of flags - and no dv privs

Unihedron

oh.

Frank

I'm so helpful.

user259867

I'm out of closevotes (50 on Math)....

user259867

... and of downvotes too.

user259867

20:16

Time to do some real work, I suppose.

2

Unihedron

yay 6k helpful flags on SO

night!

Frank

Night @Uni!

4 rep til 20k

I saw that...

nicael

@Frank :) But why does it really matter for you? You don't get any privs with it...

Frank

@nicael Cause now I feel good about graduating.

nicael

@Frank Hm. Show your downvotes tab ;)

Frank

20:27

So I have 20k on GL, and 3.1k on all the other sites.

Jan Dvorak

nuke-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/26917850/…

Undo

0

Q: How to match/replace a comma at the end of the line with Autohotkey?

I'm trying to modify the clipboard content using StringReplace. I want to remove a comma only if it is at the end of the line. For example: This, is a test, test, Result: This, is a test, test This is my code, but it doesn't seem to work: StringReplace clipboard, clipboard, `,$,...

regex autohotkey

Does this belong on SU?

Jan Dvorak

no

Frank

0

Q: Earth Science: Biweekly Topic Challenge

Jon Ericson has come up with a wonderful way to boost the amount of questions on the site, and promote activity in topics that may otherwise receive only minimal attention. And it will be a lot of fun. Here's how it works: Suggest topics in the answers below. Next monday, I (or a volunteer) wi...

discussion challenge

Look, It's @hichris123's site.

And the corresponding:

0

A: How do weekly topic challenges work?

Earth Science beta has started a topic challenge (Earth Science: Biweekly Topic Challenge). It is a slower site, with only 2.3 questions per day being posted atm, so we decided to start it out as a biweekly challenge, to get more attention for each challenge posted. I will update this post as w...