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Sathya

11:01 PM

@fahad if it matters, yes

user151055

Are you a programmer?

Sathya

I suppose so ;)

user151055

lol

user151055

I am new to SO chat

user151055

and i am really enjoying it

Sathya

11:03 PM

@fahad it's pretty awesome :)

Piers Myers

it does get more exciting than this sometimes

Sathya

I'm not around here much - I hangaround at Super User :)

user151055

I am confused between these linked sites

Sathya

SO == programming questions

user151055

stackoverflow for programmers? than what to ask at the new programmers site buit?

Sathya

11:05 PM

SU == desktop questions on applications

user151055

they should have a good name i guess

user151055

so someone like me can remmeber

Sathya

@fahad that's for subjective questions

user151055

I still dont know what stackoverflow means lol

Piers Myers

Stack Overflow

Stack Overflow is a website part of the Stack Exchange network featuring questions and answers on a wide range of topics in computer programming. The website features the ability for users to ask and answer questions, and, through membership and active participation, to vote questions and answers up or down and edit questions and answers in a wiki fashion. Users of Stack Overflow can earn reputation points and "badges"; for example, a person is awarded 10 reputation points for receiving an "up" vote on an answer given to a question, and can receive badges for their valued contributi...

user151055

11:09 PM

lol i meant the work StackOverflow

user151055

word*

Sathya

Stack overflow

In software, a stack overflow occurs when too much memory is used on the call stack. The call stack contains a limited amount of memory, often determined at the start of the program. The size of the call stack depends on many factors, including the programming language, machine architecture, multi-threading, and amount of available memory. When too much memory is used on the call stack the stack is said to overflow, typically resulting in a program crash. This class of software bug is usually caused by one of two types of programming errors. Infinite recursion The most common cause of...

Michael Mrozek

I actually just explained it on your MSO question :)

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A: There're Stack Overflow, Server Fault, and more -- where should I ask my question?

Don't the names already do that? A Stack Overflow is an error made while programming; SO is for programming questions Server Fault has "server" right in the name; SF is for server administration questions A Super User is a user with above-average capabilities on a computer; SU is for general co...

user151055

@MichaelMrozek thanks

user151055

I wanted to ask that if i can ask stupid questions?

Michael Mrozek

11:11 PM

What do you mean by "stupid questions"?

user151055

like basic networking problems

user151055

I am very new in computer engineering so I dont know much

user151055

but i am very enthusiastic

Sathya

@fahad as in how to setup a computer network ?

user151055

yes

Michael Mrozek

11:13 PM

It probably belongs on SU, but it depends on the type of networking question I suppose

Sathya

@fahad that would belong in Super User

user151055

i watned to setup a computer network to share the data

Sathya

superuser.com

user151055

serverfault should be my choice?

user151055

ok

Sathya

11:13 PM

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A: Setting up network sharing among four computers

To get all the computers on the Internet, you will need a router instead of (or in addition to) the network switch, since your cable modem probably only provides a single Internet IP address. What's happening now is you're having a problem with network addressing--since there is no local DHCP se...

user151055

I wanted to connect 2 of my Pcs together

Piers Myers

try Google (or Bing) or even YouTube

user151055

I dont have a crossover cable

user151055

I have a switch

Piers Myers

@fahad for a light?

Sathya

11:14 PM

Some of the more common ones are already answered, so search first before asking.

Piers Myers

duplicates get closed very quickly

Sathya

@PiersMyers heh we have a room setup just to post questions to be closed :)

user151055

I want to participate in this site

user151055

like a moderator or so

user151055

is it possible?

Sathya

11:16 PM

@fahad PC 1 <-> cable <-> switch <-> cable <-> PC2

@fahad don't expect to be a mod soon as you join, don't expect to be a mod by asking.

user151055

Its just that im very much interested

Piers Myers

do you have broadband? If so, would be good to get an ADSL router and use that to control your network. It can allocate IP addresses using DHCP

Sathya

@fahad get involved by answering questions / flagging duplicates / flagging spam

user151055

my repo is just about 600

user151055

i have a local area connection

user151055

11:19 PM

I dont know what it is

Michael Mrozek

Well, you'll in theory gain rep over time, and then you'll be able to do more. There's quite a lot you can do without being a ♦ mod

blog.stackoverflow.com/2009/05/a-theory-of-moderation

user151055

BTW how do you determine wheather it is broadband or dsl or something else?

user151055

I just know how to diffrentiate between a modem and a local area connection

Michael Mrozek

DSL is broadband, broadband just means high-bandwidth. Whoever set up the internet connection would know

user151055

I have a cheap connection lol

user151055

11:22 PM

256kbps

user151055

what would that be called?

James McNellis

I would call that "slow."

user151055

lol thats what i call it

Sathya

@JamesMcNellis theoretically that's "broadband" as per our ( Indian) regulatory board

user151055

Broadband is the diffrence of max and min frequency on which it can work?

Michael Mrozek

11:24 PM

The FCC has a technical definition of "broadband", but I don't remember what it is. I think it's closer to 1mbps

user151055

Oh sorry thats bandwidth?

Michael Mrozek

Yes

user151055

I am really slow in getting concepts

user151055

but my aim is to be a perfect programmer

user151055

I have been working on C

rchern

11:29 PM

I'm somewhat confused. Why are people saying that unit testing questions should go to P.SE instead of SO? |:

Sathya

I'm not sure there's such a thing called "perfect programmer"

rchern

@Sathya, there is. Her name is rchern.

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err....wait... (;

Michael Mrozek

@rchern If it were in beta I would say it goes to area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/8494/…

Although there's talk of merging that with programmers, so I guess maybe that's where people got the idea

James McNellis

@rchern: Because obviously unit testing is not programming related and is thus off-topic for Stack Overflow.

Oh wait.

Michael Mrozek

They're certainly not off-topic on SO

@JamesMcNellis I blinked several times reading that :)

James McNellis

11:30 PM

:-)

rchern

It is the example used in the blog post

Sathya

@rchern ;)

rchern

blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/09/factionalism-site-or-tag

user151055

@Sathya there can be something like winning an award at ACM to be a good programmer

user151055

that would be morethan enough lol

Sathya

11:31 PM

@fahad ACM ?

rchern

Seriously though. I don't get it.

Michael Mrozek

Association for Computing Machinery

The Association for Computing Machinery, or ACM, is a learned society for computing. It was founded in 1947 as the world's first scientific and educational computing society. Its membership is more than 92,000 as of 2009. Its headquarters are in New York City. Activities ACM is organized into over 170 local chapters and 35 Special Interest Groups (SIGs), through which it conducts most of its activities. Additionally, there are over 500 college and university chapters. The first student chapter was founded in 1961 at the University of Louisiana at Lafayette. Many of the SIGs, like S...

user151055

hmm nice

rchern

and there's 5600 questions o SO tagged [unit-testing]

Piers Myers

@Sathya Automated Cash Machine

Michael Mrozek

11:32 PM

@rchern Where do people say unit testing questions should go to programmers?

user151055

lol no

Sathya

ACM(Disambiguation)

rchern

@MichaelMrozek i'm just reading the blog post and there've been several questions on meta about it iirc.

iunno

user151055

Can we ask hacking questions on the site?

user151055

i know its illegal but

Piers Myers

11:34 PM

I think Jeff said that to annoy Roy Osherove

user151055

if you want to be a in a computer security team than you must know that

Piers Myers

I think it's probably quite tough to get into computer security - or maybe they just employ the ex-hackers

user151055

So how to be a ex-hacker lol?

user151055

You need to first be a hacker?

Piers Myers

@fahad one that gets caught

user151055

11:39 PM

you can do hacking for good purposes

user151055

I wanted to hack my own PC 2 days back

Piers Myers

@fahad forgot your password eh?

Sathya

@PiersMyers LOL

user151055

No i was interested to currupt the windows

user151055

so i can try it on my friends computers

user151055

11:41 PM

I was about to edit boot.ini

Sathya

@fahad waitasec, that's hacking ?

user151055

yes or what?

user151055

anything annoying or evil is hacking

Piers Myers

not really

rchern

oof

Sathya

11:42 PM

facepalm

rchern

my brother's laptop won't boot

"a recent driver installation or upgrade may be preventing the system from starting"

i don't wanna deal with this lol

user151055

so what will we call what i did?

Piers Myers

a bad prank

@rchern how come you have to sort your brothers computer out?

@rchern re-format it and install Ubuntu, see if he notices :)

user151055

Ubuntu is an OS?

Piers Myers

yes, it's a flavour of Linux (based on UNIX)

Sathya

11:46 PM

@fahad you're a swell hacker :)

user151055

its open source?

Piers Myers

yes

watch these 20 Hacker movies and you will learn everything you need to know: netforbeginners.about.com/od/hacking101/a/hackermovies.htm

TomWij

No, OS does not stand for Open Source.

user151055

Linux is opensource

user151055

so should be UBunto

user151055

11:48 PM

if its a flavour

Piers Myers

yes it is

Sathya

it's a distribution @fahad

Piers Myers

Open Source Operating System

user151055

someone told me Windows copies linux

user151055

i never installed linux so I dont have an idea

Sathya

11:50 PM

Every OS gets inspired by competing OS's features.

if anything that's good for us.

user151055

Which OS do you prefer?

TomWij

Windows 7™ Extreme Edition® R1

user151055

I would have installed Linux if i knew how to and if it had all the softwares i run on my windows xp

Sathya

@TomWij lmao

user151055

Vista went worst?

Piers Myers

11:52 PM

Vista's ok, I'm running Vista 64 bit at the moment and it's fine

user151055

64 bit means that its word size if 64?

Piers Myers

yes, as opposed to 32 bit

means you can address much more memory

user151055

means its faster?

TomWij

And registers, address buses, or data buses of that size.

Using Windows 7 Professional x64 here.

Piers Myers

some native 64 bit apps are, but typically there is not much performance gain

the best gain you get is that you can have more than 4GB of RAM

TomWij

11:55 PM

There is a performance gain...

No.

Your Windows itself is 64 bit, any system calls will run 64 bit code.

user151055

You can increase the performance if your RAM is large

Sathya

@fahad only upto a limit

TomWij

More than half of your applications are running in 64 bit.

user151055

64 bit will be as 32 bit if the RAM is small?

TomWij

No, adding more RAM does not always result in more performance.

Sathya

11:56 PM

what's the point in having terabytes of RAM if the application uses only couple of megs

Piers Myers

@TomWij less disk paging if you have more RAM

Michael Mrozek

@Sathya You can have thousands of those applications in RAM simultaneously

user151055

diskpaging==cache?

Sathya

@MichaelMrozek yes, true

TomWij

The only thing that would differ with memory is the ability to use more memory and the code size being larger, but in general you don't need more RAM for 64 bit.

@PiersMyers: I have 4 GB of RAM of which about 1.5 GB is used now, my page file is disabled.

user151055

11:58 PM

What is the use of that 64 bit if there is no RAM to accept it?

TomWij

I don't see how taking away 2 GB or adding 4 GB will have a difference in performance.

@fahad: Huh?

Piers Myers

@TomWij try opening more applications like photoshop for example

TomWij

Still no difference.

user151055

If your RAM is too small,what will you gain by 64 bit processor?

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